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Alan Cox Quits As Linux TTY Maintainer — "I've Had Enough"

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the when-smart-people-clash dept.

Programming 909

The Slashdolt writes "After a stern criticism from Linus, the long-time kernel hacker Alan Cox has decided to walk away as the maintainer of the TTY subsystem of the Linux Kernel, stating '...I've had enough. If you think that problem is easy to fix you fix it. Have fun. I've zapped the tty merge queue so anyone with patches for the tty layer can send them to the new maintainer.'" A response to a subsequent post on the list makes it quite clear that he is serious.

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Slashdolt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872121)

lol. nice name.

first post, buddy.

Hey guys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872355)

Rob Malda has a loose asshole.

Re:Hey guys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872511)

Sorry about that... I have a really thick cock.

Re:Hey guys (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872775)

Ha ha ha. I love the tiny cocks on Slashdot mods. Rather than give props to legitimate shit, they smoke a point on anonymous giggles. We'll just make more.

Kdawson sucks big dick.

Thanks (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872131)

Thanks for all the hard work. Good luck to the next maintainer. Not much else to say.

Re:Thanks (1)

haus (129916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872803)

hear hear

yabbadabbadoo!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872133)

ive had a bloody gutsful too!!

RAGE!!!! (1, Flamebait)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872181)

QUIT!, Can't blame him.

Hey (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872205)

You girls kiss and make up. Quit being so fussy and don't get panties into a wad. Act like men!!!

Linus (5, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872243)

Linus is brilliant. He is funny. Most days I really agree with anything he has to say.

However, he has butted heads with people in the past. Perhaps this is just human nature and unavoidable from time to time. Linus isn't perfect, nor always right. I thought he was really unfair to Con Kolivas when he drove Con away.

Re:Linus (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872303)

Kolivas was a prick.

Re:Linus (0, Flamebait)

DissociativeBehavior (1397503) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872307)

The quality of a programmer is often proportional to his ego.

Re:Linus (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872539)

I'm tired of that silly myth.

The best programmers I have met were nice people and they were very easy to get along with and work with.

Re:Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872587)

Maybe the fact that they were nice to you affected your judgement?

Re:Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872649)

Maybe the fact that they had a big ego affected your judgement?

Re:Linus (5, Insightful)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872583)

You forgot to use the word "inversely" in that statement.

Re:Linus (5, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872623)

I've worked with programmers, actors, and people in many other groups where some think they can get away with being a prima donna. I have yet to meet anyone who was in top form in their field that I had to work with who really did have that attitude. I know some are out there, but overall, those that want to do something right are too concerned about what they're doing to pump up their own ego. Generally the best are the ones that know more than others, but because of that, they realize how much they DON'T know and that tends to keep them from getting those ego highs.

Re:Linus (4, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872637)

Bullshit. The best programmers don't know if they're awesome. They just think everyone else is stupid.

Re:Linus (2, Insightful)

cnettel (836611) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872787)

Yeah, and although this invalidates the original statement (that brilliant programmers have great egos), your statement still means that great programmers give everyone else a hard time. Especially when that belief that someone else is stupid ends up being wrong once in a while.

Re:Linus (2, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873065)

your statement still means that great programmers give everyone else a hard time

Alright, I'll rephrase: great programmers think they're slightly above average, and they don't understand why other people can't solve problems that easily.

They won't say "use this algorithm because I'm the greatest". They'll say "use this because it's 20% faster and only uses half the memory". And if they're wrong, they're smart enough to realize it.

Re:Linus (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872967)

Is that you Theo?

Re:Linus (1, Offtopic)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872441)

Con drove Con away. Someone update me if this news is stale - but Kolivas blamed hacking for all of his woes and didn't just quit kernel development when he left. Even if he is still hacking - the statements he made at the time are worth branding the guy over.

He was not a maintainer, he was something of an artist. He could not control himself once emotions became involved and this is a fatal flaw with the maintainers.

Everything I saw at the time these things went down suggested that Con had decided he wanted a particular thing from his involvement in the kernel - and it was the one thing he was not well suited to receive.

Re:Linus (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872675)

Con wrote some fantastic code that benchmarks over years constantly showed to be a huge improvement. Linus refused to incorporate good code.

Con maintained his patches separately, Even better, he took criticism on his work and sought to improve it. Time after time he made changes to his work to try and make it more acceptable to Linus. Linus rebuked Con and said not nice things. Con kept working.

This continued for years. Eventually Linus realized that Con was right on scheduler philosophy. But Linus couldn't admit that he had been an overbearing ass for the past three years on a technical issue where he was clearly wrong. He asked someone else to write a new scheduler from scratch rather than use one that has been tested for three years. When the new scheduler was hastily written, and Con's was faster, Linus said he only cared about superior code and making the right decision for the kernel. But he made sure to make several personal attacks on Con for good measure.

Logically, Linus inserted untested code that was still being developed in as the new scheduler. It didn't matter if it was technically inferior and unstable. His justification was that he felt the new code would be supported, where as Con would never support his code. This assertion flies in the face of Con supporting and improving his patches for years. I've contacted Con on his mailing list. He was always cordial, and willing to support people who wanted to use his patches. Nobody made Con support those patches. But he had the mailing list none the less.

There is no logical justification for taking inferior, untested, unstable code over superior, stable, tested code. Even worse, there was no reason for Linus to repeatedly attack Con personally and lie about him.

It is one thing to suggest Hans Reiser would abandon reiser4 the way he did reiser3. It is another to make baseless accusations at good developers.

Re:Linus (4, Interesting)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872885)

Serious question: what percentage of the current Linux kernel was actually written by Linus?

Re:Linus (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28873041)

About 2% (enormous amount)

How is this different from the real world? (1)

uss (1151577) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873027)

I mean, in the real world that I live & work in -- working on internal software projects...

It does not matter, how good a coder you are.
What matters is how well you "work with" the owner/manager, to address intangibles like "transitioning", "being a team player", "sticking to processes & best practices", "aligned with manager's priorities", "not being single-topic focussed", etc...

In the real world, there are the idea guys, who are invariably different from the implementation guys. Managers have no qualms with taking the idea-guy's idea, and asking someone else to implement it. Most of the time, this is because the idea guy's work ethic or reliability, is not up to snuff, in the estimation of the manager in charge.

Should I welcome the OSS world to the real-world?

Re:Linus (1, Flamebait)

Joe Snipe (224958) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873089)

This sounds like another good reason to switch to BSD. Strike two linux!

(FWIW strike one is linux's sound architecture)

Re:Linus (-1, Troll)

Deton8 (522248) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872541)

I wonder if Linus visits Hans Reiser in prison... they seem to have compatible personalities.

Re:Linus (1)

Freetardo Jones (1574733) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872635)

Then you never saw the flamefests that happened on lklm

Re:Linus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872953)

Is hating your "second in command" [wikipedia.org] a disease? [slashdot.org]

Should I? (1)

downix (84795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872287)

I wonder if I should prep my resume to step up for this, but then I realize my bear is nowhere near long enough.... 8)

Re:Should I? (4, Funny)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872365)

How long does a bear have to be? Is it proportional to long cat?

Re:Should I? (2, Funny)

jalet (36114) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872379)

> but then I realize my bear is nowhere near long enough

so you call it your bear ? then I suppose it's thick enough.

mine is call "my rat", as it's neither long nor thick.

Re:Should I? (4, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872435)

Are we talking tail-to-nose or is that a phalic reference? OTOH, how you would know your bear's penis length is something that should probably go unsaid.

Interesting... (3, Interesting)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872289)

I'm curious about how projects, in general, fare after someone with rather intimate knowledge leaves for whatever reason. I'm not being specific to Linux; you gotta think some of the kernel developers of Windows have left over the years. That's gotta be hard on the next person regardless of project; "here's his code, all three million lines of it. Oh, he seemed to like Pascal syntax so he wrote all these macros to make his C++ code look like Pascal. Good luck!"

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872327)

Have you heard of the BlueBrain project? It was a linux driver that allowed you to completely control the computer with your brain. After Dr. Magnus Braun left the project, it fell into disuse and is no longer maintained or even widely available.

Re:Interesting... (4, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872333)

Remember Windows ME?

Bingo.

(Just kidding I have no idea WHAT went wrong there)

Requisite XKCD answers your question (5, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872395)

Re:Interesting... (5, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872413)

Everything.

Re:Interesting... (4, Interesting)

jerep (794296) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872349)

Indeed, ive jumped into quite a few projects replacing a previous programmer. Some were experienced and reading their code was really interesting, others were fired for being incompetent and I ended up rewriting most of their code.

In any cases, the first few days, weeks or months depending on the size of the code are spent studying the structure rather than actually coding.

Re:Interesting... (5, Interesting)

schon (31600) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872495)

ive jumped into quite a few projects replacing a previous programmer. Some were experienced and reading their code was really interesting, others were fired for being incompetent and I ended up rewriting most of their code.

In any cases, the first few days, weeks or months depending on the size of the code are spent studying the structure rather than actually coding.

The differences here are that A) this is an open-source project, B) this is a *HIGH PROFILE* open source project, and C) Alan was the maintainer, not sole coder (so he both coded, and accepted patches from others.)

It's possible that Alan was the only one who knew anything about the TTY code and how it worked, but I'd doubt it. I'd be really surprised if the new maintainer comes into the role cold.

Re:Interesting... (2, Insightful)

amorsen (7485) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873069)

It's possible that Alan was the only one who knew anything about the TTY code and how it worked, but I'd doubt it. I'd be really surprised if the new maintainer comes into the role cold.

The tty layer in Linux is really old. Not all of it, of course, but I would guess it's one of the oldest bits left in Linux. It doesn't need to be high performance, so noone has rewritten it for that. It is a bit brittle in general, and it interacts with e.g. hundreds of serial port drivers on almost as many architectures. Also, lots of applications use it, some of them with a long history on their own. POSIX and the Single Unix Specification have tried to standardize it all, but there's just too much ancient history.

In other words, slowly rewriting it as Alan was doing it WILL break things (which users will notice) and most of the improvement is just in prettier code and therefore less work for the kernel maintainers (which users won't notice). It will probably prevent the occasional OOPS as well, but those are pretty rare already.

Anyway, I'm not really a coder, I just read LKML.

Re:Interesting... (3, Insightful)

jtshaw (398319) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872403)

That is why you have to have coding standards...

I'd also hope you never have 1 person in charge of 3M lines of code.

Re:Interesting... (1)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872745)

Must have worked at Wind River in the past.

I still have nightmares of looking through their old code, which had BEGIN and END replacing the block definitions and a very non-K&R (or any other reasonable) indent style.

No gratitude? (5, Insightful)

isd.bz (1260658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872321)

I see the tags 'butthurt' and 'whaaaaaaaaa', but no 'thanksforyourtime'. Why won't anyone show any gratitude for the years of work he's generously offered to the project?

Please mod parent up (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872415)

Please mod parent up

Re:No gratitude? (1)

babywhiz (781786) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872425)

looks like it's changed now......

Re:No gratitude? (4, Funny)

castironpigeon (1056188) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872443)

Hello and welcome to /.

Re:No gratitude? (4, Informative)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872455)

I see the tags 'butthurt' and 'whaaaaaaaaa', but no 'thanksforyourtime'. Why won't anyone show any gratitude for the years of work he's generously offered to the project?

If you really want to know, google up the "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory" and the Penny Arcade comic that comes up will explain it for you, though you can probably guess the gist from the name. Sad but true.

Re:No gratitude? (5, Insightful)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872473)

Because the slashdot crowd is composed mostly of whiner douche-bags. The rest of us are masochists so far as I can tell.

After getting my head ripped off for mentioning that I liked operator overloading the other day, I'm trying to figure out why I still post here. I dunno if the crowd is getting nastier or now that I'm far removed from being a teenager, I see how bad it always was. I can't have a reasonable discussion on this site anymore without some asshat hijacking it and turning it into a flame fest.

Re:No gratitude? (2, Insightful)

SCPRedMage (838040) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872687)

Because the Internet is composed mostly of whiner douche-bags.

FTFY.

Re:No gratitude? (4, Insightful)

binary paladin (684759) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872771)

Ha. Yes. You did indeed fix that for me.

(And I got modded insightful for my own whining? WTF?)

Re:No gratitude? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872735)

You just don't know how hard it is being a teenager because you've never bee...

Well, anyways, what is this here linux community?

Re:No gratitude? (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872831)

Dude, I LOVE operator overloading. Seriously though, you are not alone.

Re:No gratitude? (3, Funny)

mustafap (452510) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872875)

>After getting my head ripped off for mentioning that I liked operator overloading the other day

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

Re:No gratitude? (2, Insightful)

SuurMyy (1003853) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873009)

You know, it doesn't hurt to have us adults around. Sometimes you can raise above the stupid comments and sometimes not. When you can't, just take a break and come back when and if you feel like it. I've been gone and back quite a few times already. These days I rarely get pissed off about stuff because I know that some of us just can't or won't bother to act like decent human beings. I come back despite these people because this is a good place to come to easily get an overview regarding what's going on in the tech world.

Now, THIS is News for Nerds! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872325)

Geeks bitch-slappin' geeks!

Yee-ha!

On slashdotting... (5, Interesting)

nweaver (113078) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872343)

WHY can't lkml.org's mailing list retriever handle a slashdotting?

Its not like the flashcrowds are all THAT big.

Re:On slashdotting... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872431)

There are other sites that mirror the LKML, right? Can someone please post other links?

Re:On slashdotting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872565)

yea, it's on groups.google.com ~ aka usenet

Re:On slashdotting... (4, Informative)

TopSpin (753) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872515)

Try Google Groups [google.com] .

That's the entire thread, supposedly.

Re:On slashdotting... (3, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872879)

39 and 40 are the first two messages from the summary.

The third message linked in the summary seems to be from a different thread.

Install Windows 8 Ultimate instead (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872347)

Alan Cox approved.

Slashdotted - Google Cache. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872357)

In before the Karma-Whores.

"stern criticism" -> http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/373&hl=en&strip=1

"decided to walk away" -> http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/375&hl=en&strip=1

"quite clear that he is serious" -> http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/378&hl=en&strip=1

Re:Slashdotted - Google Cache the real links (3, Informative)

sugarmotor (621907) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872429)

"stern criticism" -> link 1 [74.125.155.132]

"decided to walk away" -> link 2 [74.125.155.132]

"quite clear that he is serious" -> link 3 [74.125.155.132]

*It happens (5, Informative)

stox (131684) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872399)

Time for all to give Alan a sound round of applause and thanks! The TTY subsystem is a gem thanks to his work.

Re:*It happens (2, Insightful)

godrik (1287354) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872937)

It has been said by a lot of people already. But anyway, thank you Alan for your work in the linux kernel.

so much for a "benevolent dictatorship" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872445)

so much for a "benevolent dictatorship"

Re:so much for a "benevolent dictatorship" (3, Insightful)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872563)

No, this pretty much *is* a definition of a "benevolent dictatorship".

Re:so much for a "benevolent dictatorship" (2, Insightful)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872573)

Benevolent or not, a dictatorship is a dictatorship. It can be a great way to get things done (really, I think clearly establishing leadership is essential for establishing a coherent direction for a project...) but of course people won't always be happy under such circumstances.

Not diplomatic (3, Insightful)

rlp (11898) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872479)

This could have been handled much better via a private message (or phone call) than in a public forum.

Re:Not diplomatic (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872507)

Thats the way open source is, 'out-in-the-open', no private messages, all is for all to see, all is public.

Re:Not diplomatic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872811)

It's not just about open source, it's about personal relationships. These guys have known each other for a long time.

Rarely the diplomate (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872667)

Yes, indeed it could have been. But unfortunately that's Linus' modus operandi and we all know from long experience that while a great programmer, his ego is far too big to allow him to apologize publicly in the same fashion in which he slammed Alan. Quite unfortunate really since both are quite talented individuals.

You can't expect to publicly berate people and have them bow to your every demand and not have it backfire on you at some point.

Re:Not diplomatic (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872739)

Seriously, you should read some of the LKML history. This here ain't nuttin. :) As other reply said, this is the way it is done. Note, however, that does not make your advice unsound.

Re:Not diplomatic (1)

Hairy1 (180056) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872901)

It looks like there was no private conversation between Linus and Alex. Alex says in his email that he was working on it, so it would seem that he did recognise that the regression was an issue. I know how he feels - sometimes you just need a break. Besides, developers like new challenges, nothing worse than maintaining the same codebase year in year out. Linus on the other hand was right to insist that regressions get fixed.

Re:Not diplomatic (2, Insightful)

ribuck (943217) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872927)

This could have been handled much better via a private message (or phone call) than in a public forum.

No I disagree. Doing this in public means everyone understands exactly what's going on. No room for misunderstandings.

And thanks Alan for all your hard work for Linux over the years.

FTA: (2, Informative)

Wally4u (603232) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872485)

> Quite frankly, I don't understand why I should even have to bring these > issues up. You should have tried to fix the problem immediately, without > arguing against fixing the kernel. Without blaming user space. Without > making idiotic excuses for bad kernel behavior. > > The fact is, breaking regular user applications is simply not acceptable. > Trying to blame kernel breakage on the app being "buggy" is not ok. And > arguing for almost a week against fixing it - that's just crazy. I've been working on fixing it. I have spent a huge amount of time working on the tty stuff trying to gradually get it sane without breaking anything and fixing security holes along the way as they came up. I spent the past two evenings working on the tty regressions. However I've had enough. If you think that problem is easy to fix you fix it. Have fun. I've zapped the tty merge queue so anyone with patches for the tty layer can send them to the new maintainer. --- MAINTAINERS~ 2009-07-23 15:36:41.000000000 +0100 +++ MAINTAINERS 2009-07-28 20:09:32.200685827 +0100 @@ -5815,10 +5815,7 @@ S: Maintained TTY LAYER -P: Alan Cox -M: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk -S: Maintained -T: stgit http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~alan/ttydev/ [linux.org.uk] +S: Unmaintained F: drivers/char/tty_* F: drivers/serial/serial_core.c F: include/linux/serial_core.h

Open-Source developers are jerks (2, Insightful)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872527)

I maintained an open-source project for several years. Open-source developers are jerks. They never accept it when their code just isn't going in. I know they're all smart and I get really good contributions, but sometimes you aren't meeting the need. The overwhelming majority of open-source developers I have encountered are just that: jerks.

Re:Open-Source developers are jerks (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872609)

The overwhelming majority of people I have encountered are jerks. That's nothing open source developers, or any kind of developer, has a monopoly on.

Re:Open-Source developers are jerks (1)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872655)

That's a great point. Too bad nobody is going to see what you replied to.

Re:Open-Source developers are jerks (3, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872639)

I find the same behavior from programmers of closed source applications too. Any bug or question is taken personally or they run with a bad decision forever because doing otherwise would admit fault. I have the most respect for the rare developer that changes his/her stance and does the right thing in the end. Typical developers are very defensive and need a lot of ego stroking to get useful work out of them.

Re:Open-Source developers are jerks (3, Insightful)

kriston (7886) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872741)

Sometimes is works the other way. How many times have good developers been beaten-down by inferior, more senior, co-workers who think a "code review" session is really a "watch me brilliantly rewrite your code in front of you" session?

Re:Open-Source developers are jerks (1)

tsstahl (812393) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872893)

Mod parent up. Welcome to life in the cubicle farm.

It's not just OSS developers. (1)

leoc (4746) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872965)

AKA: "The more people I meet, the more I like my dog."

In other News . . (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872559)

Alan Cox announces he will maintain Slashcode: "After this, it will be bloody easy to maintain the Slashcode codebase."

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872613)

I have nothing to say but "LOL".

More reason to love open source... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872625)

More ammunition for me when telling senior management why I kill every attempt to bring open-source anything into our company.

Re:More reason to love open source... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28872999)

More ammunition for me when telling senior management why I kill every attempt to bring open-source anything into our company.

Because you're an insecure one trick pony with no real skills and a bunch of fake MCSA toilet paper who feels threatened by change?

Guessed it in one, didn't I?

Re:More reason to love open source... (2, Funny)

blueskies (525815) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873017)

It's good you never allowed windows network code into your company. You wouldn't want any open source BSD code in your company!

This is terrible (3, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872701)

Where can we find another hacker that looks like a yeTTY?

Re:This is terrible (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873005)

Nearly anywhere hackers can be found?

Could anyone shed some light... (4, Interesting)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872713)

...about the details of this argument? I know Linus might not be the easiest person to work with, but he seems to make some sense here.

Re:Could anyone shed some light... (1)

thanasakis (225405) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872887)

Nice touch too, wouldn't you think?

Re:Could anyone shed some light... (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872929)

Yes. The "idiotic excuses" remark was just finesse...

Not very responsible either (1)

Lucky_Luke(void) (1608153) | more than 5 years ago | (#28872843)

First of all I am very greatful for everything he did. I know he contributed a lot. Hope the handover will be more than this emotional message: "Please talk to the new tty maintainer whoever that ends up. I no longer care."

Linux? (2)

n3v (412497) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873031)

Everyone serious uses BSD anyways :)

You Both Still Rule (1, Offtopic)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 5 years ago | (#28873067)

Alan, Linus, you both still rock in my book. Nearly every day for the past 13 years I have benefited from all you've done -- both personally and professionally. Squabbles happen, and it's not my place to judge -- cuz no matter what you've both given me a helluva lot more than I've given either of you.

Keep on kicking ass and taking names, however you are happy to do so.

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