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TSA Seizes Disney World Toys

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the I-feel-safer-already dept.

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8-year-old Jeremiah Ramirez had just lost his father to cancer, so his mom took him to Disney World to raise his spirits and take his mind of the tragedy. While there he picked up a Pirates of the Caribbean toy gun and sword, and was hoping to bring them back to North Carolina, that's when the TSA stepped in. When he tried to go through security at Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport his toys were confiscated. "It's very upsetting because at one point I had told one of the employees, 'You know this is not a real weapon,' and he said 'Yes, I understand that, it doesn't matter,'" said mom Maria Edge. I may not be clear on all the reasons the terrorists hate us, but stuff like this is why I do.

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So they won (5, Insightful)

BluePeppers (1596987) | more than 5 years ago | (#28883499)

We've got to hand it to the terrorists... They're good at what they do. They set out to affect our lives in a detrimental way, and we let them do it, doing their work for them most of the time, with "anti-terror" measures and "national security" legislation.

Re:So they won (5, Insightful)

almondo (145555) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909293)

I think the fact that so many road warriors have retired from travel is good evidence that they won. Personally, I quit taking road warrior jobs not out of fear of terrorists, but simply because I am tired of pathetic TSA bullshit making me throw away my shampoo and mouthwash every week.

The TSA theatrical security is far more pathetic than security through obscurity ever was.

The real terrorists are the TSA themselves.

Re:So they won (1, Flamebait)

Perf (14203) | more than 5 years ago | (#28911571)

In my road warrior job, I usually put my shampoo, toiletry and and tools in my checked luggage. Didn't really want to carry them anyway.

Re:So they won (3, Insightful)

tuxedobob (582913) | more than 4 years ago | (#28920655)

Whenever I fly, I try to put as much as possible in my carry-on, because I generally don't trust the airlines to deliver my stuff to the proper destination.

Re:So they won (1)

purduephotog (218304) | about 5 years ago | (#28956623)

I put all my valuables in my suitcase. TSA agents need DVDs, laptop power cords, etc- too.

I've had 4 DVD wallets stolen- so I'm really not joking here.

Re:So they won (2, Funny)

dynamo (6127) | about 5 years ago | (#28994321)

Yeah but at least then you know where they went.

Re:So they won (1)

Perf (14203) | about 5 years ago | (#29006805)

Why am I modded Flamebait?

Why is whining about the TSA informative, but unemotionally pointing out an obvious way to minimize TSA hassle considered flamebait?

P.S. I usually found the motels had shampoo, so I didn't need to carry it anyway.

Re:So they won (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#29007017)

The hassle should never be there to begin with. Your excuses are much like saying that you can avoid the Gulag by choosing to avoid ever speaking your mind.

Re:So they won (1)

Perf (14203) | about 5 years ago | (#29007561)

Sigh.

I wasn't making excuses for them. So why take out your TSA frustration on me?

I have traveled thru 19 countries and dealt with strict customs. China, Egypt, Israel, Japan, more. Hand checks, etc.

I too have been harassed by TSA. (I was driving. Rude comments. Everything opened and left scattered on the back seat. Laptop and car registration dumped on the floorboard. Had to find my passport. To say I was peeved is an understatement.) The airport TSA are relatively polite.

In my job, I always had too many things for carry on anyway. (Toolbox, spare parts, clothing, etc.)

Re:So they won (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28944075)

The TSA waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were terrorists in the terminal. They didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. Their warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway. The TSA had been a federal agency for 7 years. When they were young they watched the airliners and he said to the DHS "I want to work at the airport daddy." DHS said "No! You will BE KILL BY TERRRISTS" There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the airport terminal he knew there were terrorists. "This is DHS" the radio crackered. "You must fight the terrrists!" So TSA gotted his metal detector and x-ray machine. "HE GOING TO DETAIN US" said the travelers. "I will sneak baby formula on teh plane" said the mother as she smuggled more than 3 ounces of liquid. TSA plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill. "No! I must stop the terrrists" he shouted The radio said "No, TSA You are the terrrists" And then TSA was a terrorist.

Call the Wahmbulance (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | about 5 years ago | (#28955565)

While the story is an obvious example of bad judgment, and as such is deplorable; from my experience it is the exception. For most of 2003 and 2004 I traveled to different destinations around the US almost every Sunday and came back almost every Friday. While I obviously never went to every airport in the country, I traveled through most the major ones. I had one instance at my home airport (DIA) where some ditzy woman asked me if I would like to take my shoes off when I was running late for a flight, and I thought she really meant it was optional so said 'no thanks, I go through all the time without a problem' and she pulled me out of line for the full wanding and laptop bag perusal. Other than that, I had no problems except a line or two, but I had worse lines waiting for boarding passes and rental cars. I always checked a bag, and all but once, it was on the carousel or whatnot by the time I got off the plane or very shortly thereafter (granted, I was usually coach or business class). The one time, I think I waited ten or fifteen minutes. My boss at the time had been traveling for years and said he'd never lost a bag, and had no major complaints about the TSA at that point, or when I talked to him subsequently. I think the 'airlines always lose bags' thing is a myth. The only thing that does bother me is my loss of freedom, but I'm much more concerned with warrantless wiretapping, data mining, and blatant attempts at politicizing the Justice Department.

Re:Call the Wahmbulance (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28979033)

Then by process of elimination, if all these innocent people are being hassled, and you and your boss have had no issues whatsoever, the only reasonable conclusion is that you and your boss are terrorists!!!

Get em!!!

PS - correct they don't lose bags.. they 'lose' bags.... and break guitars..

Re:So they won (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28925303)

You're right, and the only terrorists threatening the US are all either in the senate or the house.

Re:So they won (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28929077)

What terrorists? ;)
(No I'm not some crazy conspiracy theorist, it's just that we made up the term terrorist afaik)

Re:So they won (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28947677)

We've got to hand it to the terrorists... They're good at what they do. They set out to affect our lives in a detrimental way, and we let them do it, doing their work for them most of the time, with "anti-terror" measures and "national security" legislation.

I am afraid that you are correct. The USA is acting so paranoid that it has become ludicrous; I for one am not interested in visiting the USA nor host any websites or applications there. With every irrational and paranoid knee jerk the USA is becoming more irrelevant to the rest of the world. Handing victory to the bad guys on a silver platter; show some character for a change, and make the bad guys work for it !

   

Re:So they won (1)

leetwanker (1610337) | about 5 years ago | (#29010885)

We've got to hand it to the terrorists... They're good at what they do. They set out to affect our lives in a detrimental way, and we let them do it, doing their work for them most of the time, with "anti-terror" measures and "national security" legislation.

I am afraid that you are correct. The USA is acting so paranoid that it has become ludicrous; I for one am not interested in visiting the USA nor host any websites or applications there. With every irrational and paranoid knee jerk the USA is becoming more irrelevant to the rest of the world. Handing victory to the bad guys on a silver platter; show some character for a change, and make the bad guys work for it !

These things aren't for you to worry about. Just be happy that you're safe and keep quiet. Good boy!

Toy Weapons (3, Informative)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#28884089)

Toy weapons were banned as carry-ons before 9/11.

Keep them in your checked luggage.

Re:Toy Weapons (4, Funny)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 5 years ago | (#28891801)

Precisely.
Think of the children.

Crying themselves to sleep.
MWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#28918271)

[[citation needed]]

Re:Toy Weapons (3, Insightful)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | about 5 years ago | (#28926351)

"Toy weapons were banned as carry-ons before 9/11."
But does anyone ever stop to ask... WHY?? Seriously, why do we allow people to push us around with arbitrary regulations like this? What has gone wrong in our society where we think that this is OK? I mean, if the airlines were behind it I would say that it is stupid, but when we have the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (TSA) involved it ceases being a silly rule and becomes a violation of our civil rights. I mean, carrying a toy gun is not an essential civil liberty, but that is not the point. The point is that the GOVERNMENT is telling me that I cannot do something without providing any reason. If the government is going to tell us what we can and cannot do, we need to demand that they give us a DAMN good reason for it. This no longer happens, which is very apparent in airline security, drug laws, and many other facets of our modern society. Wake up, people. Ask questions, demand liberty.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 5 years ago | (#28931601)

But does anyone ever stop to ask... WHY??

Firing a weapon in a pressurized cabin is serious business. If a weapon is seen, it needs to be known that it is a real threat before risking firing at the person holding it and possibly damaging the aircraft and forcing an emergency landing, which may be unsuccessful and kill everyone on board. It started with not wanting to fire a gun unless you see a gun (meet threat with equal threat), and toy guns could look quite real. So they're banned. As are even 2-dimensional pictures of guns, including on T-shirts (however futuristic Optimus Prime may be, he's got a gun). By eliminating all false positives, you greatly reduce the possibility of errors of firing on a toy or not firing on a real weapon mistaken for a toy.

But other weapons could be harmful to passengers and you want to be able to protect individuals, so drawing a gun on knives and swords become permitted. Your enforcers on aircraft are specially trained to know how to safely fire on an aircraft, so they can fire on non-guns too. So toy versions of those weapons are banned too.

If someone were stupid enough to market black leather gloves imprinted with the image of a gun such that by extending the first and second digits it would look like you're holding a real gun, black leather gloves would be banned too.

The point is that the GOVERNMENT is telling me that I cannot do something without providing any reason. If the government is going to tell us what we can and cannot do, we need to demand that they give us a DAMN good reason for it.

Well, I hope I've answered your question of "why" even though I'm not the government. I'm just someone capable of reasoning why such restrictions are in place for myself. And though I may not like the result this reasoning (particularly about pictures of guns), I can understand it.

Wake up, people. Ask questions, demand liberty.

You really should also be telling people to think. And just maybe they'll consider traveling by land, sea, or telepresence instead if they're not willing to give up some individual liberty temporarily for the security of the collective.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | about 5 years ago | (#28931863)

By eliminating all false positives, you greatly reduce the possibility of errors of firing on a toy or not firing on a real weapon mistaken for a toy.

If this is the case, why not ban toy weapons altogether? I mean, aren't they concerned about, you know, shooting little kids with fake guns?

And just maybe they'll consider traveling by land, sea, or telepresence instead if they're not willing to give up some individual liberty temporarily for the security of the collective.

This argument doesn't wash and sets up a dangerous slippery slope -- we can always be safer by sacrificing more of our liberty. We could slash the crime rate down to next to nothing if only we all put CCTV cameras in all of our houses, and let the police come in for periodic spot checks to make sure you are being nice. I for one feel that this extra measure of security is not worth the cost of liberty. Some would disagree, but the Constitution is on my side.
I feel that the same goes for air travel -- it is the only viable means of real long distance travel, and the government has made it so that we cannot utilize this wonderful tool without bending over and giving up every last one of our civil liberties. They can even tell you at random that you aren't allowed to fly! I find this to be extremely odious and bodes very badly for society as a whole. We have no evidence to suggest that airliners are at any more risk than they ever have been, and there is very little evidence to suggest that airport security is even that effective. It seems entirely excessive to me and I am sure that Thomas Jefferson would roll over in his grave.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 5 years ago | (#28933739)

If this is the case, why not ban toy weapons altogether? I mean, aren't they concerned about, you know, shooting little kids with fake guns?

An aircraft is a controllable environment. The rest of the world is not.

And just maybe they'll consider traveling by land, sea, or telepresence instead if they're not willing to give up some individual liberty temporarily for the security of the collective.

This argument doesn't wash and sets up a dangerous slippery slope -- we can always be safer by sacrificing more of our liberty. We could slash the crime rate down to next to nothing if only we all put CCTV cameras in all of our houses, and let the police come in for periodic spot checks to make sure you are being nice.

That's why I added emphasis tags around "temporarily".

I for one feel that this extra measure of security is not worth the cost of liberty. Some would disagree, but the Constitution is on my side.

I don't feel much like flying in today's climate either. That example of the Optimus Prime T-Shirt was a real-world modern example (albeit in the UK).

If I had to take a commercial flight as part of my job, I'd want some kind of compensation for the loss of human dignity, and I don't mean an extra packet of peanuts.

Re:Toy Weapons (2, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | about 5 years ago | (#28987461)

I feel that the same goes for air travel -- it is the only viable means of real long distance travel, and the government has made it so that we cannot utilize this wonderful tool without bending over and giving up every last one of our civil liberties.

Fine, but I'd be more inclined to protest about the genuinely stupid and inconvenient things, like being forced to take off shoes and belts, being prevented from taking a bottle of water etc. that have been introduced as part of the post-9/11 security theatre. Trying to carry something that actually looks like a weapon on a plane is the sort of thing that anybody with an ounce of common sense ought to avoid without being told.

Re:Toy Weapons (3, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | about 5 years ago | (#28958377)

Explosive decompression isn't explosive and a couple of bullet holes aren't going to cause a dangerous drop in cabin pressure.

Err, sorry, what I meant was FEAR!!! FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!!!!1!.

Re:Toy Weapons (2, Informative)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | about 5 years ago | (#28961465)

Yup. Hasn't this guy watched Mythbusters? He needs to hand in his geek card - now. They shot all sorts of holes into the side of their plane and it didn't do a thing. "Bullet hole in a plane = instant plane explosion" is a huge lie.

Re:Toy Weapons (0, Offtopic)

Telecommando (513768) | about 5 years ago | (#28980365)

You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.

You left out 'yore.' I see that one about every other week.

Yore? (1)

Roger W Moore (538166) | about 5 years ago | (#28982771)

You left out 'yore.' I see that one about every other week.

...and what is wrong with that? Air travel was a lot nicer in days of yore.

Strawman sucked through a bullet hole! (1)

itsdapead (734413) | about 5 years ago | (#28987711)

Explosive decompression isn't explosive and a couple of bullet holes aren't going to cause a dangerous drop in cabin pressure.

OK, so explosive decompression, fat people being sucked out of tiny portholes, planes going into crash dives because of one bullet hole etc. is thoroughly mythbusted. However, it kinda missess the point.

Even on land, at sea level, 200' away from the nearest flammable substance, firing a gun inside a metal tube into which a hundred or so soft, squishy, potentially panicky people have been packed like sardines, with no way of getting out, in is a pretty stupid thing to do.

On a related note, I always wonder when I see security guards walking around crowded airports packing semi-autos, what would happen if they actually let rip with one? I'd rather not find out. Even if a ricochet didn't get you, the human stampede that would inevitably follow would be pretty messy. Of course, they could shout "duck" before firing - but practical upshot of that would be that the actual terrorist would hit the deck (or press the red button) while everybody else looked round to see what idiot was shouting about waterfowl...

Perhaps they're loaded with A-Team bullets (you know, the sort that cause every window, bottle or other fragile object in the vicinity to explode while no human gets so much as a scratch from flying glass, let alone a bullet hole).

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

Fujisawa Sensei (207127) | about 5 years ago | (#28959175)

Firing a weapon in a pressurized cabin is serious business. If a weapon is seen, it needs to be known that it is a real threat before risking firing at the person holding it and possibly damaging the aircraft and forcing an emergency landing, which may be unsuccessful and kill everyone on board. It started with not wanting to fire a gun unless you see a gun (meet threat with equal threat), and toy guns could look quite real. So they're banned. As are even 2-dimensional pictures of guns, including on T-shirts (however futuristic Optimus Prime may be, he's got a gun). By eliminating all false positives, you greatly reduce the possibility of errors of firing on a toy or not firing on a real weapon mistaken for a toy.

But other weapons could be harmful to passengers and you want to be able to protect individuals, so drawing a gun on knives and swords become permitted. Your enforcers on aircraft are specially trained to know how to safely fire on an aircraft, so they can fire on non-guns too. So toy versions of those weapons are banned too.

If someone were stupid enough to market black leather gloves imprinted with the image of a gun such that by extending the first and second digits it would look like you're holding a real gun, black leather gloves would be banned too.

An in effective process, probably invented by an MBA who thinks that with enough processes in place everything will be better.

For the next phase, the process people will introduce "passports" for people they trust and have been pre-screened for travel. No wait...

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#29007039)

> Firing a weapon in a pressurized cabin is serious business.

No, not really. That's just an urban myth.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 5 years ago | (#29011347)

@HTH NE1; "Firing a weapon in a pressurized cabin is serious business."

Oh, I agree, the last time I fired one of those toy swords my pirate ship's skysail slipped off my mainmast and slammed on the the deck tearing a hole in it, yea matey.

You've got to be kidding me. Does forcing blue-haired Jewish ladies to empty out their shampoo bottles and making them take off their shoes really make you feel safer? Please. Its all about power and appearance. Those in power are powerless to do anything about terrorism, but they have the power to make YOU do tricks like a trained monkey in an effort to make you feel safe. You're a fool. Look around at what the Fed does and how they achieve power, and if your sharp you'll see its all a stupid game. You're no safer riding in a plane now than you were before 9/11.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 5 years ago | (#28980511)

The why is simple. There are toy weapons that look very real and because somebody could say that a real gun is a toy. Or they could doctor up a real gun to look like a toy. That rule has been around since long before 9/11 It really isn't a terrible rule at all. Just put them into your checked bags.
Why would anybody really need to ask it is kind of like having to ask why running a red light is a bad idea or why you shouldn't BBQ in the middle of a fireworks store.
Yes some of the rules about things like nail clippers are just silly as far as I can tell but this one is an old well known rule.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

Landshark17 (807664) | about 5 years ago | (#29004257)

I hate to come down on the side of the TSA, but there is a good reason you should keep toy guns in checked baggage. A real gun and a toy gun look the same on an x-ray machine and whoever's responsible for security has to check it out, even though it's harmless. It's a hassle and a time-waster for all involved that could easily be avoided.

Re:Toy Weapons (2, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | about 5 years ago | (#28978107)

"Toy weapons were banned as carry-ons before 9/11. Keep them in your checked luggage."

No grey area? Sure the all black 9mm plastic replica found in a 23 yr old's backpack should be taken away, but the Disney Pirates of the Caribbean plastic sword and gun held by the 8 yr old?

People need to use their judgement once in awhile. If there's a doubt, take pictures, video, record licenses, double check, etc, but don't rip toys out of children's hands.

Re:Toy Weapons (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | about 5 years ago | (#28992839)

They'll even let you put full metal airsoft guns in your carry on. I think harpoon guns are allowed too. But SURPRISE, they don't want someone to carry on any form of weaponlike item cuz you could hijack the plane, duh! Maybe not with a plastic pirate gun but hey, who's to be the judge of that?

Re:Toy Weapons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28994441)

no. . .they weren't. Pre 9/11 . . . you could bring training swords on a flight.

This is just common sense people. . . something our government seems to have lost in the last 10 years. Oh, wait, we've always been at war with Eurasia.

stupid people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28884479)

How is this a story???? what these people are too lazy to check a bag!!! I hope the screener threw the fake knife in the garbage can in front of the kid.

The bolognapony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28884637)

Wheres the story? What these people were 2 cheap or lazy to check a bag??? I hope the screener threw the fake out in a garbage can in front of the kid.

Airport security... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28885837)

Years ago, before 9/11, I heard this story. I don't know if it's true. But it is consistent with what I've come to expect from airport screeners...

.
Seems this fellow was flying home bringing toys for his kids. Star wars action figures, to be precise. Airport security caused a fuss, and confiscated the guns from the action figures. We are talking a piece of plastic smaller than a dime here folks.
.

Now this fellow was about to make a scene when he realized:

  • He worked for the FBI.
  • He was still carrying his weapon. A real LOADED gun.
  • He was now past security.

Yep, that's about what I've come to expect from our airport security...

HERPES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28886959)

HERPES

Re:HERPES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28914939)

Well thats the itchy scab that never really goes away. Guess we will see you again in some future thread.

If you don't like it, don't fly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28887169)

What a load of BS, pretty much you leave all of your constitutional rights behind when you step into an airport and the usual answer is "If you don't like it, don't fly." That is very similar to the "if you don't like the president, then leave" arguments bandied about by the uber-conservatives. Lets just hope that fascism doesn't leak out of the airports and into other parts of our lives...

Re:If you don't like it, don't fly! (1)

teknosapien (1012209) | more than 5 years ago | (#28890937)

Trains are the way to go!

Sad To Say... (2, Insightful)

rapope (263587) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913127)

It already has. Things may start to get better under Bush lite.

Least Disney has a heart (2, Informative)

gubers33 (1302099) | more than 5 years ago | (#28887847)

And sent the poor kid some replacements.

Re:Least Disney has a heart (4, Insightful)

RockDoctor (15477) | more than 5 years ago | (#28894157)

Least Disney has a heart

And sent the poor kid some replacements.

That's a marketing department, not a heart. One is a fist-sized mass of complexly arranged muscles and nerves ; the other is a large building filled with overpaid shit-for-brains with the communal ethics of a pile of fetid dingos kidneys.

Re:Least Disney has a heart (1)

Doggabone (1025394) | more than 5 years ago | (#28896055)

Least Disney has a heart

And sent the poor kid some replacements.

That's a marketing department, not a heart. One is a fist-sized mass of complexly arranged muscles and nerves ; the other is a large building filled with overpaid shit-for-brains with the communal ethics of a pile of fetid dingos kidneys.

Same result, and I'll give them the same respect either way. A marketing department should behave like it "has a heart". That's just smart marketing, especially for Disney.

Re:Least Disney has a heart (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28994135)

Least Disney has a heart

And sent the poor kid some replacements.

That's a marketing department, not a heart. One is a fist-sized mass of complexly arranged muscles and nerves ; the other is a large building filled with overpaid shit-for-brains with the communal ethics of a pile of fetid dingos kidneys.

And yet these people seem to be able to at least still rub two brain cells together.

Re:Least Disney has a heart (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28919741)

nah.

it was only replaced because it got publicity. This probably happens every day. Try calling disney yourself and telling them your toy was confiscated and see how far you get. I agree with the "marketing" comment. This was pure PR and it would not have happened if the story lacked visibility.

Re:Least Disney has a heart (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 5 years ago | (#28937621)

Don't know about this kid in particular, but back when I was that age, part of the thing that made something like that special was that it was mine that I picked when I was there. A replacement, however well intentioned, was never the same.

I was probably a spoilt little brat, thinking about it.

Never to early for TSA Christmas (1)

flaptrap (1038180) | about 5 years ago | (#28924397)

Someone's kid probably having a birthday.

Or did you check eBay to see if it was being sold there?

This is why ninjas are superior (1)

snsh (968808) | about 5 years ago | (#28931025)

The people working for TSA are actually stupid ninjas. Ninjas 1, Pirates 0.

this is actually not a sign of the times (1)

viridari (1138635) | about 5 years ago | (#28943561)

I went to Disneyworld in 1984 with my parents, where I got a Pirates of the Carribean toy pistol. I had it in my carry-on bag and was stopped at the gate. The toy had to be surrendered before I could board the plane. The TSA sucks and should be eliminated, but please, let's not pretend that this is unusual or new.

Re:this is actually not a sign of the times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28980197)

A "Pirates of the Carribean" toy pistol, in 1984 ? Sure. Alright. But... was that before or after 9/11 ?

Re:this is actually not a sign of the times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28984573)

It is "sure" that the film was based on the ride.

The ride has been at Disneyworld since at least the 80s.

"Alright" is not applicable, because "all" includes you, and you are wrong.

Re:this is actually not a sign of the times (1)

_Hiro_ (151911) | about 5 years ago | (#28986313)

The Florida version of the ride opened in March, 1967.

Re:this is actually not a sign of the times (1)

_Hiro_ (151911) | about 5 years ago | (#28986345)

Er... Sorry. It was the CA version that opened in 1967. The one in Florida was 1973.

I always get Disneyland and Disney World backwards.

Really? (1)

Logical Zebra (1423045) | about 5 years ago | (#28985083)

The article says the toys were confiscated at security. That means the kid's toys weren't in his checked baggage.

So, the brat puts his carry-on bag--which contains things that look suspiciously like weapons--through the baggage screening x-ray machine, and now the dumbass mother is complaining about having the toys taken away? Everyone knows how careful TSA must be today, so she should have known better than to not put those toys into a checked bag.

TSA is doing its job. I'm not saying that it's right, but toy weapons have been illegal on planes for a LONG TIME now, even before 9/11.

REAL guns were allowed when I started flying. (2, Insightful)

EWAdams (953502) | about 5 years ago | (#28988225)

There were no security measures whatsoever, and no need for them.

Clearly, something has happened since then that has caused a bunch of people to want to kill Americans. They didn't in 1960, and they do now.

I can't imagine what it was.

Lots of people wanted to kill Americans in 1960s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28991163)

It was just much harder for them to come to the US and operate here.

Also, supporting anti-American terrorist groups has been a well-funded Soviet strategy since 1960s.

Nice. (1)

Haxzaw (1502841) | about 5 years ago | (#29013515)

I saw a group of kids at the airport with these things, and I'm telling you, I wish somebody would have taken them away; what a nuisance.
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