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CentOS Project Administrator Goes AWOL

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the going-out-for-smokes dept.

Operating Systems 492

An anonymous reader writes "Lance Davis, the main project administrator for CentOS, a popular free 'rebuild' of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux, appears to have gone AWOL. In an open letter from his fellow CentOS developers, they describe the precarious situation the project has been put in. There have been attempts to contact him for some time now, as he's the sole administrator for the centos.org domain, the IRC channels, and apparently, CentOS funds. One can only hope that Lance gets in contact with them and gets things sorted out."

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Peace (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#28880955)

If you read the message in TFA, it kind of seems like a cry for your ex-gf to get back together.

Joking aside, I dont think it's really a surprise for anyone that people have other things to do sometimes, or even getting interested in different stuff. I actually feel sorry for the guy that this got slashdotted and all. If he's on holiday, it's gonna ruin his day. If he's away doing other stuff, he probably dont want to hear his co-admins crying to get him back.

Really, give the guy a peace. I bet he has used serious amount of time on CentOS project and deserves some time off and respect.

Re:Peace (5, Insightful)

NinjaPablo (246765) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881025)

If he wants some time off and some peace & quiet, thats fine. Most people in this case would say 'I'll be gone for X weeks, Mr. Soandso will be covering for me in the interim, and has full access to everything I normally manage.', not just disappear and not return calls or emails.

Re:Peace (4, Interesting)

beheaderaswp (549877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881121)

Somewhat concerning, considering the number of CentOS servers I have in the wild.

I'd suggest disabling yum updates on your CentOS boxes until this gets sorted out. Might want to do updates by rebuilding src rpms directly from Redhat.

Just the fact they even have to address an issue like this makes me nervous.

Re:Peace (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881349)

Yeah, thats how it would be professionally handled. But from experience, thats not how it always works. People just go to other stuff and ignore older work (not saying this would be the case here tho)

Re:Peace (2, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881065)

He's a project leader with great power over the resources of the project. With great power comes great responsibility. Responsibility which this guy does not seem to be handling well, or in fact, at all.

If the guy is on vacation for a few weeks or will be pursueing other interrests temporarily or permanently, he should have notified others or helped transition some of his power.

Re:Peace (1)

underqualified (1318035) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881221)

With great power comes great responsibility. If the guy is on vacation for a few weeks or will be pursueing other interrests temporarily or permanently, he should have notified others or helped transition some of his power.

no. that would give away his double life as spider-man.

Re:Peace (0, Redundant)

russlar (1122455) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881067)

If he's on holiday, he should have let someone know.

Re:Peace (5, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881521)

Right. Just ask Gov Mark Sanford.

He was just out hiking the Appalachian Trail and his staff and the media and his constituents got all verklempt.

Re:Peace (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881469)

I agree it's irresponsible to /. something like this. Everyone is banging on about how this guy should have atleast informed his colleagues he'd be gone for X weeks. What if he couldn't? What if he's a John Doe lying somewhere in a comma or worse with a tag on his toe. Basically we don't know where he is or what's happened to him and /. is the wrong place to be speculating about it.

Re:Peace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881691)

Under normal circumstances, I'd completely agree. In this case, he has sole control over money from advertising and contributions, to which he hasn't responded for months. Additionally, he recently put the domain under an anonymiser service (ContactPrivacy.com out of Canada), so we can't even be sure if Lance still owns the domain himself anymore.

Re:Peace (1)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881717)

Really, give the guy a peace.

Dude. He's already AWOL, and might be upset or unstable, and you want us to give him a peace?! Are you nuts! He may hurt someone with it...

(Yeah, I realize it's 'piece')

He's not awol (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28880973)

He's on vacation with Amy Winehouse. He thinks he's only been there for 4 days.

Re:He's not awol (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881669)

Poor guy. For his sake I hope he's bound, gagged and preferably sedated as well rather than having to be subjected to that!

Wedding bells? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28880983)

Maybe he and Alan Cox have eloped?

Re:Wedding bells? (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881445)

Match made in geek heaven.
Oh lordy, can you image the sh*tstorm those childern are going to cause

Insert your own reiserfs joke here... (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881007)

Did they try the lost+found directory?

Re:Insert your own reiserfs joke here... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881281)

Hans Reiser, currently serving time in federal prison, only had this to say: "I told you. He went to Russia!"

Re:Insert your own reiserfs joke here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881285)

...or Argentina? I hear the women are switched on by men who go AWOL there.

Re:Insert your own reiserfs joke here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881357)

You know who else went AWOL to Argentina? /sorry, too easy to invoke Godwin's Law here

Brazil (4, Funny)

Stele (9443) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881021)

Maybe he's hiking in Brazil. Did anyone ever think of that?

Re:Brazil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881449)

Or even the Appalachian Trail... Has any one tried looking in Argentina?

(I know that where the NC governor was hiding.)

Re:Brazil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881591)

South Carolina, NOT North Carolina. Please, I know our states are right beside each other and have similar names but they are, in fact, two completely different places. Our governor has unfortunately stayed in Raleigh in spite of many people wishing she would leave.

Hiking.... (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881053)

Has anyone checked to see if he's hiking in the Applicaiha?

Re:Hiking.... (2, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881187)

Has anyone checked to see if he's hiking in the Applachians?

(fixed spelling)

Well, given that he's a computer geek, I think it's safe to say he's not spending time with his Argentinian mistress.

Let's just hope for the best (4, Interesting)

kusanagi374 (776658) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881079)

This kind of thing really scares me, because this is exactly what it happens when someone dies, for example: the data/information stream coming from them on the web simply ceases to exist. Also, this is one of the main reasons why important projects should have their main assets handled by a group of people, and not have things centralized. If the worst has happened, CentOS will be forced to fork their project and start over.

But let's just hope I'm spewing bullshit and he's just pissed off.

Re:Let's just hope for the best (1, Flamebait)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881261)

This kind of thing really scares me... If the worst has happened, CentOS will be forced to fork their project and start over.

Is that actually scary? I'm far from an expert on this, but isn't CentOS mostly just RHEL repackaged? And isn't the source for CentOS itself available? How hard would it be to fork or start over?

I ask because my first thought was to think, "This must be sarcastic," but then I realized I don't really know what I'm talking about, and there might be some kind of issue I'm not considering.

Re:Let's just hope for the best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881391)

I think he means that the scary part is that a man may have died.

Re:Let's just hope for the best (2, Interesting)

beheaderaswp (549877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881399)

Actually- it's concerning... but not a crisis.

Some of my boxes have data continuity from RH 7-9, then Whitebox Linux, to CentOS 3-4-5.

The pain is in the migration. The joy is in the freedom.

If CentOS bellies up I have enough boxes to justify maintaining myself from source rpms, or moving to another RHE based distro. It's always a pain. But I bet I got 8 years of functionality from Whitebox/CentOS. A pretty good deal.

Re:Let's just hope for the best (2, Informative)

beheaderaswp (549877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881423)

Replying to my own post...

Whitebox Linux went offline due to hurricane Katrina. Everyone folded into CentOS.

Re:Let's just hope for the best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881477)

They've released the SRPMs, but not released the CentOS project build scripts.

Mr. and Mrs. Smith (5, Funny)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881413)

Yeah, he probably died and no one, not even his wife, knew that he was a closet Linux Geek. They'll be going over his record, find the accounts, and she'll be crying "Oh my God, I never knew. Why didn't he tell me?!?! We could have worked on it TOGETHER!" Only then you realize that his wife was a closet Linux Developer, and actually responsible for a great deal of OS content.

It'd be be like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but really nerdy.

Re:Mr. and Mrs. Smith (0, Troll)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881589)

Only then you realize that his wife was a closet Linux Developer

They let girls do that? Ick.

Wait a little more (3, Informative)

chebucto (992517) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881083)

This sort of open letter should really be a last-resort kind of thing, but their letter says

When I (Russ) try to call the phone numbers for UK Linux, and for you individually, I get a telco intercept 'Lines are temporarily busy' for the last two weeks. Finally yesterday, a voicemail in your voice picked up, and I left a message urgently requesting a reply.

If they left a vm yesterday, they should give it at least until Monday before publicly humiliating the guy. Being a few days late in answering voiemail isn't odd at all. Also, is it out of the question to try and get someone to check his house personally? A team of 10 people have got to know someone in the UK.

Re:Wait a little more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881287)

A team of 10? Yeah, I bet they know someone in every country.

Re:Wait a little more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881335)

They did, but he's not answering his phone.

Re:Wait a little more (2, Insightful)

GiMP (10923) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881401)

"give it at least until Monday before publicly humiliating the guy."

Except they had been calling for 2 weeks to nothing but a busy signal, which alone might be sufficient cause for such an open letter, especially considering the financial and management concerns.

Oh, and nobody goes on holiday without contact for over 24 hours, do they? I bring a laptop and a smartphone with me wherever I go. Even when I visited Northern Africa, I made sure to get online at least once a day to check, act on, and reply to my email.

Re:Wait a little more (4, Insightful)

segfaultcoredump (226031) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881793)

Oh, and nobody goes on holiday without contact for over 24 hours, do they? I bring a laptop and a smartphone with me wherever I go. Even when I visited Northern Africa, I made sure to get online at least once a day to check, act on, and reply to my email.

Its not a vacation if you can find me.

I leave my cell, laptop, etc home. For my last trip, I told my co-workers what park I would be in and that if something went south that they can call the park ranger and then hope that they can find me.

I want to get away from the the regular grind, not bring them with me :-)

Re:Wait a little more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881559)

Appears this may have been a list resort according to this blog post by one of the developers:

http://misterd77.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-is-up-with-centos-project.html

Excellent example.... (-1, Troll)

Computershack (1143409) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881091)

An excellent example of the failures of Open Source. You can't even guarantee that a major project isn't just going to stop without notice. OK, so I know they've not shut it and its situation fairly normal for now as long as nothing goes wrong but its a good example of what grief it can cause when someone just decides to walk away because they've no obligation to the project or its users.

Re:Excellent example.... (1)

howlingmadhowie (943150) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881189)

I know you're just trolling, but i'll explain it. the problem is bus distance, which could be a problem on any project.

the thing you should find extraordinary and really shows how powerful free software is, is that a single person can reuse code to make a project as large as this. this would be unthinkable in the non-free world where you seem to need an army of programmers and lawyers to make the simplest program.

Re:Excellent example.... (2, Informative)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881201)

You can't even guarantee that a major project isn't just going to stop without notice

CentosOS will never die. Ultimately I will fork it and continue it. That's the guarantee you have for good projects.

Re:Excellent example.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881355)

CentosOS will never die. Ultimately I will fork it and continue it. That's the guarantee you have for good projects.

I don't think you understand what CentOS is about. The idea is that it mirrors the exact same source code contained in various Red Hat distributions, made available with free "community" support instead of expensive paid support from RHT. A fork would be devastating because customers wouldn't have the same confidence that the code was as thoroughly vetted as a Red Hat release.

Re:Excellent example.... (2, Insightful)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881463)

Yes. You are right. It's impossible to go trough an incident like this without lost of credibility. But ultimately, if the project is good enough, and the motivation to continue also, the credibility will be restored.

Re:Excellent example.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881203)

They have access to the source code of the distribution, don't they ?
The only "failure" here is that the domain name, the IRC channel, and the funds are unavailable. The project itself can still continue.
And this kind of incident is very uncommon anyway - most of the time if a maintainer doesn't want to work on a project anymore he'll just pass on the information needed to continue to a new maintainer.

Re:Excellent example.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881211)

Copying is seldom a good business plan in the long run

Re:Excellent example.... (2, Insightful)

Luke has no name (1423139) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881223)

They see me trollin'...

BUT, I will respond anyway.

This is not a failure of open source, it is a failure of redundancy. We've learned this lesson countless times: There should never be "only one" person with protected access to a project. It's like kusanagi374 said above.

Re:Excellent example.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881253)

As opposed to with closed source projects, where when someone walks away with all the passwords everything's just fucking fine and peachy, right?

Re:Excellent example.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881311)

What has this got to do with open-source or not ?

Your argument is about having a contractual relation with a supplier. You can have such contracts for open source software (from, say, RedHat, IBM or Oracle), and there are plenty of examples of closed-source, but freely available software packages offered by volunteers.

Most proprietary software also comes with end-user license agreements which basically state that the developer has no obligation to the users of said software.

Re:Excellent example.... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881347)

But the same thing can happen with any small company with closed source as well.
To repeat the old saying "at least with FOSS you have the source".
I find this really upsetting. Frankly CentOS is of the best distros out there. It has a very long life and really is ideal for servers. It is basically the free as in beer version of RedHat.
Every time I see an idiot running a server on Fedora I wonder why not CentOS. Now they actually have a good reason to not use CentOS unless this gets fixed.
I guess it is time to look hard at Ubuntu Server.

Re:Excellent example.... (2, Insightful)

dmbasso (1052166) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881375)

That's an excellent simple example of the advantages of Free Software:

Free Software X lost its developer/manager/whatever -> anyone can step in and replace him, or pay someone to do it.

Company Y decides to stop supporting its proprietary software Z -> you're screwed in the ass, big time.

Don't count on "stopping without notice"... from these kind of adverse situations that interesting new stuff emerges.

Re:Excellent example.... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881455)

How can you guarantee a closed source package or project isn't going to stop without notice, hmm?

And how many commercial software companies feel "no obligation to the project or its users."

Seems to me I've gotten bit more by commercial companies not maintaining their product than open source projects suddenly dieing. At least the source code is available for the latter.

Re:Excellent example.... (1)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881619)

you mean like all the people with PPC macs who want to upgrade to snow leopard.......

it happens in hardware too.....

it's not a open source/closed source argument.

like you stated it happens everywhere.

Re:Excellent example.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881593)

We have the same problem where I work at the moment. One of our irreplaceable developers has been missing for over a week. The only difference with an open source project is that "customers" know. Our customers don't know anything.

tradgedy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881111)

This could be tragic, what percentage of the 4 Linux users are affected?

Eggs. Basket. (1)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881175)

"as he's the sole administrator for the centos.org domain, the IRC channels, and apparently, CentOS funds"

That's a lot of responsibility for a single person. What would happen if, for example, he were to be hit by a bus one day?

I think this was a major argument Microsoft once had against open source projects: that the maintainer or whoever could just get up and leave it one day, because they got bored and decided to move on. There again, I guess that's true of real life jobs too. And, whilst it's possible for someone else to take over the role, the transition of knowledge and bringing said replacement up to speed wouldn't be an overnight thing.

Re:Eggs. Basket. (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881219)

Kinda like the way Microsoft changed the fileformat in MS Office? I would think that vetting of any product would take a certain amount of "faith"!

Re:Eggs. Basket. (5, Insightful)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881249)

"as he's the sole administrator for the centos.org domain, the IRC channels, and apparently, CentOS funds"

Does anyone know about his personal financial situation? It is not unknown for people to borrow against their business or organization to fix personal financial problems with a "promise" to pay it back "when things get better". Since he has not provided any financial statements from the organization, I'm leaning towards this.

Re:Eggs. Basket. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881265)

Maybe he *was* hit by a bus.

Re:Eggs. Basket. (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881329)

I get a lot of mod points these days, but I don't have any when I really need them.

Parent is definitely +1 Insightful.

Re:Eggs. Basket. (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881305)

That's a lot of responsibility for a single person. What would happen if, for example, he were to be hit by a bus one day?

PPPFt... hahaha. I wish you would tell this to my boss.

Re:Eggs. Basket. (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881519)

I completely understand what you mean. My busfactor is off the charts, though I'm getting a junior admin within a month.

medical problems (4, Insightful)

farker haiku (883529) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881183)

As someone who recently had medical problems that sprung up over night, I can honestly say that there could be other reasons he's not responding. I guess an open letter is as good a way as any to try to get in touch with him, but the tone of the letter is beyond ignorant. It's more accusatory than anything (which may be justified), but it's certainly not a sign of professionalism. If anything, it shows that he may have been correct in managing the project without the petulant "help" of the other developers.

Re:medical problems (0)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881339)

This.

Lots of stuff can happen. He could be hit by a car or could have suffered heart attack. How come they would not consider this simple possibility of RL intervention.

In any case, this outcry is not hmm ... friendly or on good terms ... to say the least. It givem me mental image of PHB walking into hospital and demanding that worker stops being pussy and to finish up his busywork on time.

Re:medical problems (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881495)

I had a particularly egregious manager call me while I was in an ambulance with a suspected heart attack once. He was a complete and utter arse though.

Re:medical problems (1)

rallymatte (707679) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881459)

Well, if the statements in the letter are true, then it really doesn't make sense that he would be managing the project on his own. I mean, what about the statement of the funds that he has promised to provide?
To me this seems rather suspicious to be quite honest.
IMHO, open software should be managed in an open way.
Especially not when, as you've mentioned, medical problems can occur at any time. This doesn't provide much security for users of the software.

Re:medical problems (1)

Maniacal (12626) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881649)

I agree that the tone of that letter is way off. If you are genuinely concerned about someone you don't write to them in that manner. If it turns out he has a good reason for disappearing (medical, accident, etc.) he's going to be pissed off when he reads that and will have every right to be. When someone goes missing you have to consider the worse case scenario. Certainly this guys health and life are far more important than whether or not Centos has to change domain names.

I have hundreds of Centos installs in the wild and when I read the post on Slashdot the first thing I thought of was "I hope nothing bad happened to him". This lead me to think about any family he may have. Not once did I stop to consider what impact this would have on those Centos installs and my involvement with them. After reading that letter I can't help but think either there's more to the story (aka, past problems between the developers) or the Centos developers are a bunch of asshats.

An Alternative (5, Informative)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881235)

There's a danger when one guy has complete control of the project. Not even Linus has that. If the guy bolts or drops dead, you're left in limbo.

If you need a similar compatible version of RH Enterprise Linux, I'd suggest Scientific Linux [wikipedia.org] . It's made by the staff at Fermi Labs (and CERN as well) as a uniform OS platform for all their experiments, and is basically RHEL compiled from source. Like RHEL, it can also be used as a general purpose OS (it just includes a lot of science packages, especially stuff for physics). It's supposed to be 100% compatible, or very very close, and the Fermi guys distribute the ISO's online.

Re:An Alternative (2, Informative)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881409)

The problem with scientific linux is that it is not updated frequently at all. CentOS is attractive because they are usually pretty quick about folding in security fixes shortly after they are released by Redhat.

Come on (3, Insightful)

JamesP (688957) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881303)

I like CentOS a lot, but still

It's open source, if anything goes _really_ wrong, fork. The source is there, all references to the "Proeminent Linux vendor" properly stripped, etc

It's less work than start from scratch again from the "proeminent linux vendor"

The issue with the sole control. (1)

thaylin (555395) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881319)

I dont think the issue is that he has left, went on vacation, had an emergency. The issue is that due to his apparent need to have all the power there is no one else that can administer the project, thereby leaving it dead in the water.

I was already worried about CentOS/RHEL (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881351)

My first server was a boxed copy of Red Hat 5.2 that I bought for $300. It has the export-restricted SSL (pre-Clinton liberalization of encryption).

Around Fedora Core 3 I switched to CentOS for my servers.

However, I've been worried about how out-of-date CentOS currently is, basically a snapshot of FC6.

Yum keeps a box up-to-date with security back-patched code that is 2 or 3 versions out of date. Try to get a F4180 printer to work under the old CUPS. Try it.

So guys like me use CentOS but then in order to have the most recent versions of MySQL and PHP, we compile everything from source. This is a problem because we then only patch for security every 6 months or when we think of it (or when there's a big scary headline on Slashdot).

After switching my laptop to ubuntu, I discovered that the environment is now as deep as I need it to be. I was able to replicate my entire environment, including email and dns, on ubuntu, either with source or with apt-get .deb files.

So although I grew up a Red Hat man, I'm forced to consder Ubuntu for the next server. More worrying, when I ran the idea by my colleaugues they were open to the idea.

So get your whois registration and bank account sorted out, by all means.

And then hope that Red Hat releases a version of RHEL RSN based on Fedora 11.

Re:I was already worried about CentOS/RHEL (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881537)

Or just add a different yum repo, say Utter Ramblings, and you're set. Modern MySQL and PHP, not to mention modern everything else. CentOS is a decent distribution.

Re:I was already worried about CentOS/RHEL (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881569)

I switched from CentOS to Ubuntu a few years back for similar reasons. I never went back.

Re:I was already worried about CentOS/RHEL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881611)

I don't understand how the Ubuntu -> Debian relationship is relevant to your post about RH -> Fedora

More background info at ... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881377)

http://planet.centos.org/

You can read a bit more there what has happened.

Not the first time... (3, Interesting)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881379)

One of the other key developers, Karanbir Singh, disappeared (albeit for a very legit reason...he got married and had the gall to go on a honeymoon ) at a very inconvenient time during which a version update was to be released earlier this year. The remaining developers either wouldn't or couldn't complete the process in his absence....the end result being a significant delay in the CentOS 5.2-->5.3 upgrade process.

I have been an active user of CentOS since version 3 (back in 2004) and it would really pain me to see such a great project fall on hard times or disband/fork. Enough of my production machines are running on CentOS that this latest strangeness has got me seriously evaluating Ubuntu's server product for low budget applications and convincing other deeper pocketed clients to consider reverting back to RHEL.

Here's hoping they manage to sort things out and come up with a more evenly distributed model for project responsibility.

Re:Not the first time... (4, Interesting)

beheaderaswp (549877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881503)

Ubuntu Server?

No offense to the Ubuntu team intended (or to you) but that's not exactly a hardened OS with the kind of long term support one needs in a data center.

If low budget to you is a simple LAMP stack- then maybe. But no one has been beating up on Ubuntu server- and it really needs professional QA before anyone tries to use it for more than a novelty.

The logical alternative for new deployments would be Debian, if you wanted to dump RPM based systems.

Re:Not the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881579)

Don't forget Slackware! =)

Re:Not the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881581)

Um...isn't Ubuntu server basically debian with a few pretty bows and a fresh paint job?

Re:Not the first time... (1)

beheaderaswp (549877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881677)

I believe it decends from debian unstable.

But if you've got 50 boxes around the world you are responsible for, the word "unstable" is a deal killer.

Re:Not the first time... (2, Insightful)

Eddy Luten (1166889) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881695)

Just one word came to mind when I read the blurb on the CentOS front page: unprofessional. Seeing a message like that on the site of the developer of my operating system would scare the crap out of me. Commercial software packages go on hiatus sometimes, nobody knows why, but at least they (AFAIK) don't scare their user base away by making a very public announcement about an individual teammate.

I know where he is (0, Redundant)

SoulRider (148285) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881647)

This is probably redundant but I cant help it. Has anyone checked to see if he is hiking in the Andriondaks?

Three words... (4, Insightful)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881685)

Follow The Money.

At first when I was reading the story, I was all like, "oh, guy with only keys to kingom hit by a bus?", then I saw how he controlled the funds and I was all like "he's so on a beach in the tropics threatening to burn the hotel down if he doesn't get his paper umbrella".

Seriously though, I hope it's simply a case of needing a break, not something more ominous. I like CentOS, and I'd hate to see the project fall apart due to losing one key person.

I know that guy (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 4 years ago | (#28881755)

Since yesterday... Met him here in Amsterdam in a hookerbar. He kept me clean of tabs all night! Nice fellow, he said he could spare some cents.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28881813)

Maybe he is off hiking the Appalachian Trail or breaking up with an Argentinian woman?

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