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Nintendo, Sony Take Big Financial Hits

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the can-we-call-it-a-bubble-yet dept.

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The Installer writes with news that Nintendo is seeing a significant financial downturn to match the general slowdown in the rest of the industry. "Sales of the once unstoppable Wii console have tumbled for the first time since its launch three years ago, sending the gaming giant's quarterly profit down 61 percent." Meanwhile, Sony is feeling the pain as well; the company sold 500,000 fewer PS3 consoles than in the previous quarter, and PSP sales saw an even bigger drop. Interestingly, Sony also revealed that the manufacturing cost of the PS3 has now dropped 70% since it was released. The drop in sales has caused the resurgence of rumors about console price cuts.

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Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (5, Funny)

christoofar (451967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906813)

Will Nintendo lay people off in a "Wiistructuring?"

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (5, Funny)

iamapizza (1312801) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906865)

A friend of mine who works at Nintendo was fired a few days ago... he was in-console-able.

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (1)

rishistar (662278) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907183)

Did he drown his sorrows in alchohol at the Sensor Bar?

This is fucking retarded. (5, Insightful)

MukiMuki (692124) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906887)

Nintendo's the only one not surprised by this. They didn't have a single major release, save for maybe Wii Sports Resort (which came out when, 2 days ago?), this year. By Christmas they'll release New Super Mario Bros. Wii and next year brings Mario Galaxy 2, possibly a Wii fit expansion or whatever they're doing with the pulse sensor, and lo and behold, those months will do ridiculously well for the Wii, and the year afterward, on the same month, analysts will worry about Nintendo's downfall when the sales aren't as high due to a lack of major titles.

It's the same dumb shit with Hollywood. Half a dozen studios release films in June with quarter-of-a-billion budgets+marketing campaigns and when all of those types of films don't come out 'till August the next year, there's an article about how the film industry is failing, all because it's easier to make up "Sky is falling" predictions than to actually wait a whole fucking fiscal year and take into account the number major releases that hit a particular year.

Games and film have 2-3-year production cycles, and many times projects get delayed. The money still comes in (albiet with a higher cost due to the delay, which, for better companies, tend to result in more revenue for a better product), but as it doesn't come in steadily, it gives "analysts" plenty of fuel to predict doom whenever there is none.

Re:This is fucking retarded. (4, Funny)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907201)

than to actually wait a whole fucking fiscal year and take into account the number major releases that hit a particular year.

Oh come on. Everyone knows nothing happens towards the end of the year anyway. Especially not that thing where everyone buys stuff for their kids at the same time.

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28911931)

Chanukah? Kwanzaa? I don't think we get presents for Festivus...

Does the FSM have a gift-giving holiday in December?

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0, Redundant)

Albert Sandberg (315235) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907599)

The major software houses just fancy xbox360 and playstation 3 more... all game developers I know (and I know quite a few) seems to be targeting the xbox and ps, but almost never mention the wii at all. It just don't have the horsepower needed for top games and since they want to release on pc at the same time, they can't really make two versions with huge differences inbetween.

The ps3 has the same problem but has more horsepower underneath and still a big enough market to be targeted, but the xbox360 really has an advantage in being pc compatible.

I'm not really a fanboy of any consoles, I like the ps3 the most but I think the xbox has the best market at the moment. However I'm pretty sure nintendo has the best ecomomy, they never lost a dime selling one of their consoles tho the other depends on selling games to make up for the loss of the console.

At least this is what I'm told, feel free to correct any of my statements.

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907639)

The ps3 has the same problem but has more horsepower underneath and still a big enough market to be targeted, but the xbox360 really has an advantage in being pc compatible.

Wait... what? The Xbox360 is as PC-incompatible in terms of hardware as the PS3. If you mean the software then hey, the PS3 uses OpenGL ES, which is not far off regular OpenGL that runs on PCs.
I don't intend to get into a DirectX vs OpenGL argument, since I'm not a game developer. But if a company is writing an OpenGL ES version of their game for the PS3, they can as well port it to OpenGL on the PC. (And there's the wonderful world of wrapper libraries for stuff like input, sound, etc.)

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907957)

Erm any games development house using OpenGL ES in a production game are going to seriously suffer... it just isn't fully featured or has the performance required.

It's all about developer tools and ease of programming, PS3 != easy to program, and that is not a poor reflection on the developers; try programming your computer with punchcards and a teletype but then go on to quote "But the hardware is really powerful!" :)

XBox 360 is closer to the PC, but again there are still differences (audio API) that make it not a straight port, but a heck of a lot easier for sure.

(Speaking as a person who works in a games software development house that devs for Xbox/Xbox 360/PS2/PS3/Wii/PC. )

Re:This is fucking retarded. (3, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908857)

Clearly you're not an <any kind of software at all> developer.

Business types pick the subject matter they think will sell, then the platform(s) that give them the market size they want to sell into, and then they hire/invest in some development team to produce their product. Rarely do they give a half-shit if it's easy or not to develop unless it's sufficiently difficult to develop for a particular platform that it will cause a competitor to beat them to market.

When you're talking about something as complex as a game engine, saying that the PS3 is harder to develop for than the 360, while perhaps technically true, you need to take that in context. In terms of overall project difficulty, it's only a small percentage more difficult to develop for one platform over the other.

You would be hard pressed to find even a single major title out there that was developed for one console or the other because of difficulty. The big studios are either making cross-platform titles, or they're making an exclusive based on a business deal (not based on the difficulty to develop).

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28916523)

There are several console games that were delayed to the ps3 because it was so hard to develop to. Grand Theft Auto 4 and Unreal 3 are the first to come to mind, and there's also the fact that Valve refuse to develop for the Ps3 because of the hardware difficulties - something they came out and said after the port of the Orange box to the Ps3 (done by outside contractors). This is why you're not seeing Left 4 Dead to the Ps3.

Intel GMA (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907677)

It just don't have the horsepower needed for top games and since they want to release on pc at the same time, they can't really make two versions with huge differences inbetween.

They can make a version for Wii and a version for low-end PCs with an Intel GMA chip. That would especially appeal to people who own laptop computers or older desktop computers. In fact, a laptop can be carried into the living room and connected to the TV through a VGA cable.

Re:Intel GMA (0)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908567)

But the Wii is going to be -much- more powerful than the laptop. Even on an "inactive" system, there are hundreds of tiny processes going on, polling hardware, etc. the Wii is more or less truly single tasking. Plus, the code can be very optimized for the Wii.

Re:Intel GMA (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909037)

But the Wii is going to be -much- more powerful than the laptop.

Wii's CPU is a PowerPC G3 clocked at 0.73 GHz, and it has less than about 91 MB of RAM+VRAM. The cheapest new laptop is a $300 Eee PC with an Atom CPU clocked over twice that and ten times as much RAM. Besides, I understood Albert Sandberg's comment to mean that publishers don't consider Wii-to-PC ports because a PC is so much more powerful than a Wii, not less powerful.

Even on an "inactive" system, there are hundreds of tiny processes going on, polling hardware, etc. the Wii is more or less truly single tasking.

Do "hundreds of tiny processes" take up half the CPU and nine-tenths of the RAM, even on the version of Windows XP loaded on these low-end laptops? My cousin has an Atom-based laptop, and it doesn't for him.

Re:Intel GMA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28911909)

Wrong on so many levels, but you go ahead and keep thinking that.

Re:This is fucking retarded. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907759)

[The Wii] just don't have the horsepower needed for top games[..]

Which strangely wasn't an issue when everybody was making games for the PS2 which is weaker than the Wii...

Re:This is fucking retarded. (2, Insightful)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912481)

Which strangely wasn't an issue when everybody was making games for the PS2 which is weaker than the Wii...

Because the technology gaps between the PS2, GC, and Xbox were far less substantial than the gap between the PS3/Xbox360 and the Wii, which is nearly a generation behind in terms of raw horsepower. There's a significant difference between porting a game between roughly equivalent systems and porting to a platform vastly different than the original games. It generally means that most of the assets must either be re-created or altered substantially, and that costs a lot of money.

Add to this the fact that the Wii is a fairly unique console, both in terms of demographics and controllers. It's just not a system that's attractive for simple ports (as demonstrated by the abject failure of most attempts). It seems to be a machine that demands games be specifically tailored for it (or at least substantially modified).

Re:This is fucking retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28913747)

the Wii is a fairly unique console, both in terms of demographics and controllers

Wait... Does this mean they'll have to actually think about what their consumers want before they make and publish it?! I thought we were over that!

Re:This is fucking retarded. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28914491)

If the PS2 were port-incompatible with the other two systems devs would just go for PS2 exclusives and ignore the other platforms completely. With the Wii the opposite seems to be happening.

Weirdly stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907621)

"Meanwhile, Sony is feeling the pain as well; the company sold 500,000 fewer PS3 consoles than in the previous quarter, and PSP sales saw an even bigger drop. Interestingly, Sony also revealed that the manufacturing cost of the PS3 has now dropped 70% since it was released."

That's just weird. I suppose that everyone who wants a PS3 has bought one. Similarly, I notice Ford has not sold many Model T cars recently.

Poor Sony, not selling as many, but making more money, because the cost has dropped to one-third.

Here's a similar story. Housing prices in the U.S. did not continue going up indefinitely. If they had, Goldman Sachs [rollingstone.com] would have made more money.

Re:Weirdly stupid (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907777)

Actually Sony took higher losses [gamesindustry.biz] . It might not be only from losses on PS3 sales but operating losses went from 4.6 billion yen to 39.7 billion yen for the PlayStation division year-on-year. Software sales were down from 22.8 million to 14.8 million so it's not just hardware that's declining.

Re:Weirdly stupid (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908891)

Did you miss the part of the story where PS3 costs dropped by 70%? They're probably making a profit on PS3 sales. So no, it's not "only" losses from PS3 sales.

Where did the money go then? Well, they just developed a completely new console, which they needed to ramp up manufacturing on before it goes on sale in October...

Of course they were probably counting on strong software/PS3 sales to cover most of that loss. Oops.

Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28918045)

Nintendo's the only one not surprised by this.

It seems only the analysts are surprised... this happens every year, it's called the post-E3 drought.

Re:This is fucking retarded. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | more than 5 years ago | (#28919677)

EA was pretty smart this summer too with both a free and a $15 battlefield game

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (1, Funny)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907089)

No, some will be offered Wiitirement, while others will be Wiideployed.

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (0)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907815)

They are going to outsource their software to Indian developers, the quality might slip but it's often much cheaper to have developers operate from a wiimote site.

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (1)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908511)

No, it will be a wave of Wiidundancies.

Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (-1, Redundant)

christoofar (451967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906817)

Will Nintendo fire workers as part of a Wiistructuring?

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28906867)

Are you seriously telling me I can get double karma points for making a double first post?

Re:Yet Another Chapter of Recession Porn (0)

christoofar (451967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906963)

No... quirk of /. I submitted the comment then returned to look at my spelling (which of course I can't fix, but it's a habit)... and since it wasn't there I figured the software "ate it". So like any respectable person who sees something go into a black hole, I re-ran my transaction. ;o)

The games... (4, Insightful)

DreamsAreOkToo (1414963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906915)

If I hadn't already bought a Wii, I wouldn't buy one either. I'm disappointed with the game line up. 3 years have passed and I can name 3 games that I'm glad I bought. I can also name off a dozen names I deeply regret having ever bought/rented.

Back in the 80s and 90s, any schmuck could decide to go make a game. With enough dedication and talent, he could really make something awesome, too. I mean one day Robyn and Rand Miller decided to sit down and make a game. And that game (Myst) was the best selling game for the better part of a decade.

Now, it takes millions of dollars for the spoiled consumer to even *consider* playing a game. So now we see less and less games being made by the inspired and talented, and more and more games being made by corporate committee.

As time marches on, I have a feeling we'll see a (relative) dieing out of the multimillion game and the rise of the $10-20 household device game. (Cellphones and computers to be specific.) It takes inspiration and talent to make a good game, not millions of dollars of art assets.

Re:The games... (2, Interesting)

christoofar (451967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907041)

My Wii is a doorstop.

I've been sort-a temped to get a Wii Fit, but I already pay for a $60 gym membership that I use about 3x a week. Kinda defeats the purpose of buying one. Plus the WiiFit is no fun if nobody if you're single and nobody can see you sweat. [Best place to pickup a date short of inter-office dating]

3 years into the Wii the only game I really liked playing was the Wii bowling in WiiSports, which came with the unit.

I also use a really nice DLP HDTV projector for games and movies, and I cannot tell you what a PITA it is to set up that IR bar underneath the projector image in the front side of my living room but yet have the Wii sit in the back of the room where the projector and my amp sits. I have to disconnect everything when I'm done or my dog will trip over all the wires.

Then there's the trouble of standing in the right spot so I can use the Wii without blocking the picture, because the way I swing the controller around I really can't use the thing sitting down.

Re:The games... (4, Informative)

mooglez (795643) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907119)

I also use a really nice DLP HDTV projector for games and movies, and I cannot tell you what a PITA it is to set up that IR bar underneath the projector image in the front side of my living room but yet have the Wii sit in the back of the room where the projector and my amp sits. I have to disconnect everything when I'm done or my dog will trip over all the wires.

Wireless IR bars have been available a few weeks after the Wii launch. Those really solve the issue with Wii + Hometheater.

The bar does no actual communication with the Wii, just gets power from there.

Re:The games... (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907161)

Also note that these wireless bars, not drawing power from the wii, are also great to use with using the wiimote with your PC.

Re:The games... (1)

DreamsAreOkToo (1414963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907445)

I bought a Wii Fit. It counts as one of the games that I deeply regret. While it was kind of fun at first, it takes FOREVER to do a work out. This is literally how it goes.

1) Choose a game.
2) Yay! You picked a game! Do you want to learn how to play that game?
3) No? Ok, well here's a nifty animation for you!
4) 20 seconds of workout
5) Oh no! You suck, your a fatty, hehehe. Here's a nifty animation showing you lose, loser.
6) Oh my goodness, you scored a high score, let me show you!
7) Wow, we spent like... 5 minutes working out, lets add 5 minute tokens to your "workout piggy bank."

Repeat ad nauseum. Seriously, it took me 2 hours to put 80 minutes into the workout piggy bank, and it always rounds your minutes up, so I probably spent 2 hours working out for 40 minutes. What's worse is that you need to sustain your heart rate to actually burn calories, so it isn't really helpful for anything but muscle toning.

Re:The games... (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907949)

What's worse is that you need to sustain your heart rate to actually burn calories, so it isn't really helpful for anything but muscle toning.

It doesn't really help that either as there's no resistance.

And god forbid there's a few people in the room and one person wants a go on the skiing without spending twenty minutes setting it up.

Re:The games... (1)

Lorens (597774) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907691)

I also use a really nice DLP HDTV projector for games and movies, and I cannot tell you what a PITA it is to set up that IR bar underneath the projector image in the front side of my living room but yet have the Wii sit in the back of the room where the projector and my amp sits.

I've been told the IR bar is just two or three LEDs, it does not send any information back to the the Wii system. The information provided by the IR bar is simply "here is the screen", provided to the WiiMote. The connection to the Wii is just a voltage to power the LEDs.

I know people who use two candles instead of a Wii IR bar.

HTH.

Re:The games... (2, Insightful)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907711)

Plus the WiiFit is no fun if nobody if you're single and nobody can see you sweat. [Best place to pickup a date short of inter-office dating]

This works fine, if you're in shape to begin with.

Nobody's going to want to date the fattie with huge sweat pits under their arms and loose long sleeved t-shirt and baggy pants that we use to cover up with. And even fewer than that wants to date the fattie who dresses in tight lycra and sweats profusely.

And if you're that person, you're really not looking forward to showing yourself to the fit people either.

I know this because I am that person, and I know plenty of people who are or were that person. It's bad enough going to the gym to start building muscles without having to worry about the lifestylers laughing at you because you can't do a single push-up. And the cute fit people in the gym aren't going to throw you a pity-date either.

Now, once you're in decent shape, yes, it becomes an interesting place to pick up dates, but until then you're just a big sweaty lump of lard.

Gyms aren't made for those of us who are overweight and need to get into shape. We already know that it's not the prettiest sight to behold, when your man-tits leaves sweat marks on your t-shirt. And watching a bunch of really fit people working out isn't much of a motivator. We don't want to see Mr. or Ms. Fitness World working out next to us. What we really want to see is someone who's just slightly fatter or thinner than we are, so we are properly motivated to outdo them.

Think about it - do you really want to be doing bench presses next to the world's strongest men when you can barely do 50 push-ups? Sure, they're unlikely to laugh at your feeble efforts, but deep down we all fear that they will. If we didn't care about their opinions, why would we be in the gym in the first place?

I don't want to do my workouts next to Vin Diesel. I want to do mine next to Jason Alexander, a rotund, out of breath, balding guy who's likely to keel over with a heart attack before I do.

Re:The games... (2, Insightful)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908065)

I saw this comment and I have to address some things. Only because I've realized not a lot of people actually are not aware of some some things:

1) To address you picking up people, if someone is unattractive outside of the gym, women won't talk to them either. Unfortunately, that's just how it is and there is nothing u can do about it. And ask yourself this: would you say "NO" to a sweaty, hot woman asking u out? Of course u would say yes. The sweating doesn't matter.

2) Why did you join that gym? Gyms come in 3 flavors. The meat-market (which u joined), the gym where people are serious about it and are there to actually just work out, and the "community" gym where high-schoolers and old people go. You should have joined the last 2 then. When you went for a week trial, or even just to visit, didn't you bother to look around the place? A note for you: next time your membership is up, look around at different gyms and get 1 week trials. You may find a great place, and if anything it helps because you can use the deals each gym gives u against the other for a cheaper deal.

3) Some of us actually go to workout and don't care that ur fat and sweaty. I used to be you, but now I'm not. It takes time.

4) Going because we care what people think of us... Believe it or not, some of us like to do it for health reasons and it makes us feel good. Or because we have goals we'd like to reach (e.g. x amount of bodyfat, 7-minute mile, etc.).

5) Believe it or not, you WANT to workout next to Ms. Fitness champ. They know so much advice to give you, their motivation is glowing and contagious, and generally people at that level are the most down-to-earth humble people you will meet *anywhere*.

6) The guys that are massive benching 500 lbs. are on steroids. Period. Anybody on steroids I have found also doesn't know what the hell they are doing at the gym. The only reason they look in shape is because they cheat--the needle.

7) If the gym really bothers you, get a personal trainer who comes to your house. Or get a gym if you have the space in your house. The stuff is cheap, and dirt cheap if you compare it to years of paying a gym membership.

Seriously people, instead of blaming the world for your problems, take some responsibility and *DO* something about it.

Re:The games... (1)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908341)

Seriously people, instead of blaming the world for your problems, take some responsibility and *DO* something about it.

I doubt this was aimed at me, but I am actually doing something about it, and I'm quite proud that I'm currently averaging just under a kg/week in weight loss.

Different gyms ... depends on where you live. Where I live, there is 1 (one) gym inside of 50 kms. Makes it kinda hard to go elsewhere.

As for getting chatted up by the hot but sweaty chick - of course you'd go for it. But we're not the hot sweaty people. We're the fat sweaty people, and hot people don't try to chat us up. And when's the last time you've seen a sexy guy go out with a fat chick?

3) Some of us actually go to workout and don't care that ur fat and sweaty. I used to be you, but now I'm not. It takes time.

So ... you're saying that back when you were the fat and out of shape guy/girl, you were concerned that people would laugh at you, but now that you're in much better shape, you don't worry about it anymore? Wasn't that my point?

Obviously, when you feel better about yourself (for whatever reason) you don't worry what other people think.

Or to put it another way - if you're walking around in a crowded location and you accidentally fart, you're hugely embarrassed because you think other people notice and think you're gross. But, farting is a natural thing, happens to all of us several times a day, often time in public, and when's the last time you spent more than maybe half a second worrying about someone you heard farting?

Of course no one else really cares what you look like in a gym, but that's not the point. The point is that you worry about what you look like, and you're always going to compare yourself to the people you think are the best looking people there. That's how we work as a species. It's why young girls are constantly trying to look like ironing boards and why men feel inadequate if they aren't hung like porn stars.

Re:The games... (1)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 5 years ago | (#28910039)

I just said that I used to be the chubby guy--as you say you were. I never said I worried about other people looking at me at the gym. I don't--never did. And as a side note, I don't care how my physique looks for other people--I only care about the results and the aesthetics of it, for myself--kinda like a person who plays an RPG to get the better/more powerful armor/sword/etc, or a sculptor molding an object out of clay. And FYI I've seen a good number of chubby girls going out with a good-looking guys.

Then again, as you get older, in the past few years, I find myself not giving a crap about farting in public either anymore lol.

Re:The games... (1)

Hubbell (850646) | more than 5 years ago | (#28911179)

Some guys like fat chicks, all girls like 'hot' guys.

Re:The games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28915397)

Then how do you explain all the hot chicks going out with grotesque guys? Oh, I know the answer to this one. Everybody has their own particular tastes whether they are a man or a woman. And then there's that whole personality thing.

Re:The games... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907981)

Plus [unlike a $60/mo gym,] the WiiFit is no fun if nobody if you're single and nobody can see you sweat. [Best place to pickup a date short of inter-office dating]

My gym is an arcade that has Dance Dance Revolution. I hear they have Dance Dance Wii now.

Re:The games... (3, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907783)

3 years have passed and I can name 3 games that I'm glad I bought. I can also name off a dozen names I deeply regret having ever bought/rented.

So please name them ...

I bought a Wii at the end of February, and in my 30-disk library (all legit, bought and paid for - my Wii isn't modded), I'd have to say that at least half the games are "I'd recommend them".

Examples: Mario Kart (everyone likes it), Pinball Hall of Fame (a must-have - noisy), Pop Star Guitar (very addictive air guitar), Trivial Pursuit, Namco Museum Remix, Boom Blox (you'll get a work-out), AMF Bowling, Super Mario Galaxy, Prince of Persia, Shaun White Snowboarding (you really need the wii fit to use this one), Speed Racer (for mindless crash-n-burn vegging out), Blazing Angels.

The people I've seen complain about their Wii don't spend money on games and accessories, then wonder why they don't enjoy it. Buy 4 remotes, 4 wheels, 4 nunchuks, get a decent library of games (catering to various tastes/ages), and you'll see that people will actually PLAY it when they come over. That's the way to get your money's worth out of the console. Not "Oh, the freebie games ere fun, and I rented a couple others, and bought one or two that sucked, so the console is a piece of crap!"

Re:The games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28908261)

I recommend you add "House of the dead - overkill" to that list. I find it great fun.

Re:The games... (3, Insightful)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909743)

$240 - Wii
$40(3) - Wiimote
$20(3) - Nunchuck
$15(4) - WiiWheel
------
$480

Now they tell me...
$20(4) - Wiimotion Plus
$90 - $wiifit/board (will I need more than one?)
------
$650

And I still won't have any games for it besides Wii Sports. When you say "you have to buy the additions and accessories to enjoy the Wii" That starts to get pretty damn expensive for this generation's "budget console".

Re:The games... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913573)

First, not all the games require the wii fit balance board - but some do, and for those, you need to buy it, same a buying a joystick for flight simulators.

Second, if you want to play with 4 people, they're going to need controllers, same as any other platform, including the PC.

Third, you can buy the motionplus bundled with games (about $10 more than the game without) - so my plan is to buy 4 different motionplus game bundles. It's the logical thing to do.

As for total cost, I've already spent over $2k on it in 5 months, and I'm happy with my purchase - I'll be buying a 50" plasma TV expressly for game playing in September. I figure that my time is worth enough so that, when I DO find time to play games, I want it to be fun. This is the first console I've bought since the original Nintendo, and I intend to get my money's worth by having enough games and accessories so that my friends can actually enjoy it, whatever their gaming tastes. That's why, for example, I picked up Lego Star Wars - not something I would personally pick, but I know at least one friend who I correctly guessed would be "into" it.

Re:The games... (1)

zerospeaks (1467571) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913909)

Just get a PS3 , 300 bucks , and subscription to gamefly. Way cheaper than the WII

Re:The games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28920715)

$240 - Wii
$40(3) - Wiimote
$20(3) - Nunchuck
$15(4) - WiiWheel

Wii-wii(1) - Priceless

Re:The games... (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#28910917)

Play Zelda. I know it may seem silly at the start, but don't judge them by that. Zelda 64 and later all seem to have pretty amazing "journeys" to them, if you play for a while. From what I've heard of people playing older Zeldas, the experience is much the same. Easily some of the best games I've ever played, out of a small selection that I even liked.

Re:The games... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913617)

I have Zelda - just haven't had much time to play it (so many games, so little time :-) Got stuck with the horse in the corral - can't jump the fence, and I REALLy hate how the manuals are all fine print and low contrast. Sure, it helps deter piracy, but they're not really deterring the pirates/modders so much as penalizing their paying customers.

Well, maybe I'll just scan them in and blow them up to readable size/contrast.

I second the Pinball game and raise you... (1)

justthinkit (954982) | more than 5 years ago | (#28911033)

Second the Pinball game and raise you Wii Active. Williams Pinball HoF is the first pinball game to displace 3D Ultra Pinball Thrillride on my playlist. If they come out with 2 or 3 more of these I will line up to get them.

As you suggest, we stocked up on games and controls and it got the whole family using it. I've settled on Pinball (which doesn't have to be noisy...adjust your TV/monitor volume to taste), and my wife loves Wii Active. It goes a lot further than Wii Fit (which started off great but fizzled for all 5 of us) by offering a much smarter workout schedule/program, and the resistance band helps too. I think it needs to be said that Wii Fit/Active is kind of like getting a stationary bike to use for a few months until you are (back) in shape so you can ride a street bike again for more than 100 yards. I did this way back when and it is nice to see my SO doing it now.

I have also seen the Wii convert non-singers into singers. Their talent level didn't really increase, but their confidence level does.

Our youngsters are not as hooked on the Wii, in part because they are such dyed-in-the-wool gamers. This is fine because we bought it as a family investment and it has more than paid for itself in the 4 months we have had it.

Wii gaming is different from xbox/PSx/DS/gameboy/PC gaming. It is more like a amusement park carnival than an electronic game, and brings different rewards/benefits.

Re:I second the Pinball game and raise you... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913597)

But I *WANT* the pinball to be noisy :-)

Two other games that are sitting on my shelf waiting for free time to try out are Naked Brothers Band and American Idol (no, I have NEVER watched American Idol in my life - I bought it so that when others come over, they will see the familiar name and perhaps try it). As you say, it's an investment in fun for the group, not just one person at a time. And like you, if they release more pinball games, I'm in line.

Re:The games... (1)

psyclone (187154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912147)

AMF Bowling sucks the oil off a bowling ball. I got the game as I hoped it would be superior to the Sports bowling, but it wasn't. Not any mini-games like the strike practice with lots of pins. Also takes forever to just get to the bowling action, and the replays are terrible. I just want to see a close-up replay of my line so I know how to adjust my next shot- just like real bowling. (Some alleys have a fixed replay camera; and real life is always more detailed.)

Perhaps the new remote sensor could help- anyone know if it helps old games or do games have to be programmed for the enhanced sensor?

Re:The games... (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913609)

Perhaps the new remote sensor could help- anyone know if it helps old games or do games have to be programmed for the enhanced sensor?

It won't do a thing for old games. When you load a game, you're also loading the game's operating system (which runs under the consoles' monitor program). That's why games can't be patched - at least not with the current console. Perhaps the WII2 will allow for loading the whole game image into memory at one time and patching it on the fly with updates off the net ...

Re:The games... (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912225)

The Wii is a party console. Your post supports that.

Use it for what it is!

Re:The games... (1)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907881)

You are forgetting one important industry: flash games. Anyone can make a flash game and these don't need to be at the cutting edge of technology. Honestly, I didn't even buy a PS3, Xbox360 or Wii. When I want to play a game, I log on to Kongregate or a similar website and simply play. And it's free.

Re:The games... (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909269)

Have you checked out WiiWare titles? There are some good ones on there and they're all (I think) $10 or less. Here's a few that might be worth researching if you want to get more play time out of the Wii.

LostWinds - A puzzle platformer which uses the nunchuck to move your character while the pointer controls the wind, used in various ways to fling objects, enemies, your character, etc. to solve the puzzles.

Bit Trip series (Beats / Core) - Rhythm games with an old-school feel. The first one, Beats, is like Pong crossed with a shmup.

Orbient - two-button gravity based game. Crash your planet into blue planets to get bigger, trap grey planets in your orbit for more points, don't hit red ones or you'll die. A button makes each planet's gravity pull you in, and B is anti-gravity. The game can get very tricky when there are as few as four planets nearby.

I haven't bought a Wii game on a disc in over a year, but thanks to WiiWare I'm still getting use out of the system. If you've already looked at WiiWare and nothing strikes your fancy, that's a shame. If you haven't, though, check it out. (You'll be better off looking online, since the console interface gives you only a brief description and two screenshots...XBLA is light-years ahead in that respect.)

Re:The games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28909291)

There are a few open game systems [wikipedia.org] out there, which anyone is free to develop on. Obviously not nearly as popular as the proprietary systems, perhaps if more people stopped bitching on the Internet, yet continue supporting Microsoft / Sony / Nintendo's products, and contributed to the development of a high quality free and open source console, they'd become more popular.

Context Matters (3, Informative)

Triv (181010) | more than 5 years ago | (#28906989)

Context matters.

"Meanwhile, Sony is feeling the pain as well; the company sold 500,000 fewer PS3 consoles than in the previous quarter, and PSP sales saw an even bigger drop."

500,000 units is just a number; losing a sandwich is less of a tragedy if you had two of them to begin with. FTFA:

"Sony did release console sales numbers for the period, which also painted a bleak picture. Quarterly worldwide PlayStation 3 sales dropped from 1.6 million units in the first quarter of the past fiscal year to 1.1 million units in the most recent fiscal quarter, while PSP sales plummeted from 3.7 million units to just 1.3 million units. VAIO sales and profitability were also down, though Sony did not offer specific figures."

So selling 500,000 fewer units this quarter in this context means that Sony has sold approximately 30% fewer units than last quarter.

Re:Context Matters (1)

christoofar (451967) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907009)

That could still spell catastrophe if they used commercial paper (bonds) to help ramp up production of the units that were manufactured thus far.

Let's say you're a self-employed box builder. You sell a box configuration that attracts a new company who wants to outfit all their desktops with your new whizbang baby ITX thin client PCs. Company calls you up and wants 500 of these bad boys.

To get all the parts for an order this large, you live on the float. On your credit card. You run up your MasterCard (like a big company does with short term paper). Now you purchase all the parts required to build the units and you'll pay the credit card bill as soon as the invoice from the customer gets paid.

But, as you're assembling the final 20 PCs to get the order ready for shipment, the company calls you to slash their invoice and now they only want 350 computers.

Re:Context Matters (3, Insightful)

Triv (181010) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907061)

My point was mostly editorial, that putting $scary_big_number; in a summary doesn't provide any information beyond making the reader think, "Huh. That's a scary big number." To use a familiar number, if McDonald's served 500,000 fewer people today than yesterday it would look like a point of concern if nobody told you that McDonald's serves 47,000,000 people a day on average.

We're scared of very, very big numbers because we're not trained to comprehend them - we're never going to have to make change for a million dollar bill, so who cares what 100,000,000 pennies looks like.

Re:Context Matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907237)

Due to continental drift, airlines had to fly an extra 5,000,000 nanometers on each America-Europe flight this quarter. Financial losses expected.

Re:Context Matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907663)

You're completely correct Triv - it's sensationalism. It's a big drop for sure, but numbers like this are indeed entirely relative... this is why we investors prefer ratios and percentages when talking about earnings changes relative to last quarter / fiscal year / quarter over quarter etc. It gives a much clearer and immediate picture of growth (positive or negative).

That said, my money is being kept well away from Sony. They really dropped the ball with the PS3 in particular, relying on Blu-Ray to give them the same selling point that DVD did with the PS2 but ignoring the affordability of the previous console and over-estimating the potential of introducing a new disc format. Most significantly, they managed to completely destroy their relationships with many big game developers and publishers before they had even launched; presumably because they thought they didn't need them to succeed with the brand they had already developed. In hindsight, the decision to price at the higher end of the market was also a huge mistake given recent economic circumstances.

I do hope they bounce back next generation, as Nintendo are likely to stick almost soley to the ultra casual market that saved them from annihilation, and we certainly don't need another market segment dominated by Microsoft. We all know where that road goes.

With the sheer size of the console market these days, I would not be surprised to see a new competitor seriously attempt to enter the arena over the next 5 years. How successful they will be will depend heavily on learning from Sony's mistakes with the PS3 - don't price yourselves out of the market, realise the value of AAA exclusives, and don't attempt to push expensive new formats with limited reach onto the home market.

Re:Context Matters (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907805)

I've become so desensitized that numbers under a million register only as "small change" in a business context (in a govt context add another three zeroes)... A million is a lot for an individual but nothing for a multinational megacorp.

Re:Context Matters (2, Interesting)

kramerd (1227006) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907551)

If a client wants 500 widgets, then you make them enter into a contract for 500 widgets. If your new whizbang baby ITX thin client PCs are a significant portion of your annual revenue, you make em pay for the whole order prior to production and you slap a client logo on em as a bonus, so you can claim these are custom builds and an order for 500 can't be reduced since you can't resell them. If necessary, require custom, non-refundable orders on orders of 1+.

Then, when they later only want 350, you deliver 350 if they demand it, but you still invoice 500 (and you still produce 500 so that you are square on the contract). By the time you are assembling the last 20 PCs, the ability to back out of the contract should be down to the amount you have already begun to pay for. Not paying the $5k annual lawyer fee to set proper language in your contract terms is beyond negligent.

Seems pretty simple to me. Include a couple of clauses about delivery time and product spec (they get widgets, not the new widget+, delivery by [date] and not prior, if client wants full or partial delivery moved to [later date], client pays warehousing fees and cost of credit). With this, you should be able to renegotiate you mastercard interest costs because ADA is lowered. If the total cost is immaterial to the client, you likely will get the client's interest rates for a specific job order but get the gain of credit history. Alternatively, some larger clients are even willing to cover the float and take it out of the price of delivery (ie pay directly for the materials, so if they reduce the order to 350, they just have to resell the parts).

On the other hand, if a client orders 500 and doesn't have the credit to cover 500, I would probably not take the client order, or require a cash downpayment, or have them put some assets in escrow prior to acceptance (like title to building, not intangible assets).
Of course, if 500 widgets is a lot for you to make, client probably goes with a competitor who does 500 on an hour's notice.

Re:Context Matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28909011)

If you want a contract like that then you will never sell to Best Buy or Walmart. Dealing with them can actually be worse. You build 500 widgets, you ship 500 widgets, 8 weeks go by and your widgets aren't selling well enough you get 437 widgets returned.

@#$% Sony (1, Flamebait)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907157)

Between installing malware on it's customers' machines, using draconian DRM, constantly trying to shove proprietary crap down our throat, and the recent denial of fair use by it's customers despite using fair usage as an argument to defend against Universal Studios' lawsuit against them, I have decided that Sony can go @#$% itself. I will go out of my way to avoid doing any business with them. I urge everybody else to do the same.

Re:@#$% Sony (1, Insightful)

Ifandbut (1328775) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907293)

I have not encountered any malware or draconian DRM being installed on my PS3.

DRM in the PS3 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907715)

I have not encountered any malware or draconian DRM being installed on my PS3.

All PS3 games must be signed by Sony, or they won't be allowed to use the RSX chip and half the console's RAM. And I've read that it's harder to get approved for a PS3 game on Sony's PSN than for an iPod Touch game on Apple's App Store. How is that not "draconian DRM" for hobbyist developers and small businesses?

Re:DRM in the PS3 (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 5 years ago | (#28910945)

I think they should relax the restrictions somewhat on the PSN. As someone who has all of the current-gen consoles and bought both hard copies and games off each console's virtual store, I have to say that Sony's is the most lacking for content. Unfortunately, the XBox with his shovelware marketplace and "community games" is just utter crap. 99% of the stuff that shows up on there is just outright garbage, and really shouldn't be on there (IE: There's one "Community Game" that amounts to clicking the A button several times to "win" it - for $2. I made more complex games in grade school during the 80's, and they were considered crap then).

I honestly think the Wii has the best marketplace. It might actually be even more restricted than the PSN or XBL, but the huge catalog of 80's/90's console games as well as very select newer games is nice.

One last note though, I think that if you looked you'd see much less cruft in the PSN store than on XBL or the iPhone store (Which, imo, is just flooded with crappy mmo games, me-too apps and publishers releasing texts individually.. I could go on)

Re:DRM in the PS3 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912683)

There's one "Community Game" that amounts to clicking the A button several times to "win" it

I'd bet it was called Second Half of Xenogears.

I honestly think the Wii has the best marketplace. It might actually be even more restricted than the PSN or XBL, but the huge catalog of 80's/90's console games as well as very select newer games is nice.

In your opinion, for which platform should a small business develop a (substantial) multiplayer casual game?

Re:DRM in the PS3 (1)

Ifandbut (1328775) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913097)

All Xbox360 games must be signed by Microsoft. All Wii games must be signed by Nintendo. All PC games that use the "Games for Windows" or "Games for Windows Live" must be signed by Microsoft.

None of the games I have played on my PS3 have disabled the use of my PS3's Ethernet or Blu-Ray player (*cough*StarForce*cough*).

From the consumers point of view there is no malware or draconian DRM.

PC games need not carry "Games for Windows" logo (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913305)

All PC games that use the "Games for Windows" or "Games for Windows Live" must be signed by Microsoft.

But unlike games for Xbox 360, Wii, and PLAYSTATION 3, games for PC need not use the "Games for Windows" logo; there is a freely licensed alternative logo that reads "PC DVD-ROM SOFTWARE".

From the consumers point of view there is no malware or draconian DRM.

I would argue that the very concept of a "consumer", meaning one who just consumes and doesn't interact, itself arises from DRM and other aspects of copyright. With a few notable exceptions such as RPG Maker 2 for PlayStation 2, console games are not moddable, which forces players to be consumers.

Re:PC games need not carry "Games for Windows" log (1)

Ifandbut (1328775) | more than 5 years ago | (#28915211)

I would argue that the very concept of a "consumer", meaning one who just consumes and doesn't interact, itself arises from DRM and other aspects of copyright. With a few notable exceptions such as RPG Maker 2 for PlayStation 2, console games are not moddable, which forces players to be consumers.

Well yes, that is the point. If you want to be able to mod a game or even make your own level you buy the PC version of the game. That has been the rule for who knows how long. It is stupid to assume you would be able to mod a game on a console because no one expects to be able to.

When people talk about DRM it is normaly in respect to not being able to resell games or other media (DRM iTunes music, PC games that require activation online like Spore or Call of Duty).

DRM does not exist on the console yet. You finish a game you can take it to GameStop and sell it to them, no questions asked. The only thing that would come close to DRM is the DLC which is tied to your account and not your game disk.

Re:PC games need not carry "Games for Windows" log (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28915735)

If you want to be able to mod a game or even make your own level you buy the PC version of the game.

Then what if I also want to have multiplayer without buying four PCs and four copies of the game?

Re:DRM in the PS3 (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 5 years ago | (#28920029)

Well yeah, but you can write a game for the xbox360 and get it almost automatically signed by using the community games process. So it's not quite a valid comparison.

Re:@#$% Sony (-1, Flamebait)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 5 years ago | (#28910145)

News Flash: Sony makes more than just PS3's! Ignorance is no excuse for acting stupidly in public.

topic (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912719)

News Flash: Sony makes more than just PS3's!

You're right: it also makes PSP and PS2. The article on GameSpot [gamespot.com] is mostly about Sony Computer Entertainment, the division that makes PlayStation products, not Sony Music or Sony Pictures.

Re:@#$% Sony (1)

Ifandbut (1328775) | more than 5 years ago | (#28913065)

News Flash: The person who started this discussion (Parent of the Parent of my original post) was talking about consoles not anything else dealing with Sony.

Failure to read the discussion thread is no excuses for posting a ass-holish reply.

Re:@#$% Sony (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 5 years ago | (#28922357)

I read it just fine. IT'S STILL SONY!!!!!!!!! I don't care if it's a different business division. It's still the same company. The parent company still makes the profits, and I want the WHOLE company to fail. And I REALLY don't care about mass marketed crap console games in general. First person shooters are WAAAAAY overrated anyway. And you can only repackage them so much. I got bored with them after UT. Was pretty burnt on them before that. It was only a matter of time before people woke up and saw that they were getting repackaged crap.

And I STILL want SONY to FAIL, and my post was ON TOPIC in that the topic was that Nintendo AND a division of Sony is taking a big financial hit. I REALLY don't understand how you can fail to see this SIMPLE point!

Then what instead of a PS3/360/Wii? (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907705)

Between installing malware on it's customers' machines, using draconian DRM, constantly trying to shove proprietary crap down our throat [...] I have decided that Sony can go @#$% itself.

What console doesn't use "draconian DRM"? What video game published by a major label isn't "proprietary crap [gnu.org] "?

Re:Then what instead of a PS3/360/Wii? (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 5 years ago | (#28910161)

See reply to ifandbut.

Re:Context Matters (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908783)

Additional context. Sony announced a newer, cooler PSP, but you can't buy it yet. They spent a buttload of money on development, which they haven't had a chance to recoup yet, and PSP sales are artificially low now that everybody knows to wait for the new one coming out in two months. This is probably the biggest source of their losses.

Also, now that they said this, can we finally lose the "Sony loses $x00 on every PS3 sold" crap? Clearly they're cashflow positive on the hardware now.

Amazing (3, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907265)

Old consoles aren't selling as if they were cutting edge. Fascinating.

Re:Amazing (1)

Airdorn (1094879) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907653)

There's a rich market on eBay for Atari 2600's.

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28907873)

Actually PS2 sales outdid both PS3 and PSP over the period of the reported figures. Sony just left that bit out of their summary.

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28912609)

Sony shipped more PS2s last quarter than PS3s (largely because of the price cut). That's either a testament to the PS2's selling power or PS3 lack of. Or both.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/2010_fiscal_year

While PS3 cost may be dropping... (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907779)

...I still think Sony is working on a new PS3 model with far more integrated chipsets to cut the cost even further.

With more integrated chipsets, the circuit board production cost goes down dramatically, and if properly engineered it may even run cooler than the original. This could result in a PS3 Slimline like what Sony did with the PlayStation 2 hardware redesign.

Re:While PS3 cost may be dropping... (2)

StingRay02 (640085) | more than 5 years ago | (#28907917)

But is that going to get us a price drop? When the PS3 first dropped, everyone justified the price of the console because Blu-Ray players were just as expensive, if not more so. Well, I'm seeing hundred dollar Blu-Ray players now, but the PS3 is as expensive as it ever was.

Re:While PS3 cost may be dropping... (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909775)

That's because Sony is still using the original PlayStation 3 design, which is proving to be pretty expensive to build.

The rumored PS3 Slimline model will likely be far less expensive to build, and may likely sport the same 1.8" 120 GB hard drive used on the current Apple iPod classic portable media player. I haven't heard when will Sony offer such a new machine, especially since the news from Chinese/Taiwanese assemblers and component manufacturers have not mentioned Sony placing any orders for the parts for such a new machine.

Re:While PS3 cost may be dropping... (1)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908033)

There's no 'could'. There's already some pictures out there. It's coming out this year.

Re:While PS3 cost may be dropping... (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909723)

However, given that Chinese/Taiwanese companies will be involved in producing this "new" PlayStation 3, I've heard NOTHING from the assemblers or component manufacturers about Sony ordering parts or setting up assembly lines for the new model. In contrast, we know that Apple does have a tablet-like device on-tap because of several reports about Apple ordering circa 10" LCD panels for such a device.

If this new PS3 does exist, I expect it to use the same 1.8" 120 GB drive used on the current Apple iPod classic to keep the new PS2 as small as possible. Expect the device to be fully BD-Live compliant "out of the box" and may even offer NetFlix streaming (if Sony can reach a deal with NetFlix).

Re:While PS3 cost may be dropping... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28908271)

While very likely true, the main reason they have such a markup now is because the tech has improved (just the nm fab for the cell processor is huge) and the manufacturer of the laser diodes has far far improved. Hell, just the cost in notebook drives that the PS3 uses is worth around $50 from the previous hard drive size. ...AND because Sony has ripped out a good number of features for their bottom line.

To give a few examples, PS2 compatibility is largely gone from the new units. The hardware acceleration was removed awhile back, and even software emulation has been largely stripped out.

SACD support was also removed somewhere along the line.

Frankly, the PS3 units nowadays are already slimmed down units from a feature standpoint. They've nearly turned it into a minimalistic machine to play PS3 games only, which while you could argue is what it should have been, that's not really what the original hardware just did. Now, Sony says most people don't care about the loss of features, but the reason I justified the insanely high price of the console was because of all the extra features that made it worthwhile, as well as saved space in the media cabinet.

The current version is already a nearly stripped down PS3 and people know it and don't see why they should pay $400+. While most consoles are dropping the prices and staying the same or improving (Wii downloads, Xbox360 HDMI awhile back), the PS3 has been removing features while keeping the price high.

To me, the best versions were the original PS3s, the 20gb and 60gb. The rest have been crap. I own a 60gb and Metal Gear Solid that has software emulation. I'd like to pick up another as a media machine but can no longer justify the cost because of the other widely available options, and no longer recommend the PS3 to friends who want an all around console machine. Sad really that Sony took steps backwards.

Well, we all know the next logical step... (1)

jesseck (942036) | more than 5 years ago | (#28908409)

This is because of everyone downloading pirated gaming consoles off the Internet. Everyone, say hi to the GIAA (Gaming...)

So... how long have these systems been out now? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28909319)

This is just a thought, but perhaps sales are down because everyone has their console(s) of choice by now.

Strong Yen (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909675)

All Japanese companies are seeing sales slowdowns. The Yen is strong against the dollar, which means costs for Japanese companies are higher, which means that they can't reduce prices to the extent their non-Japanese counterparts can. This, coupled with a huge recession which is already causing consumers to belt tighten leads to huge sales decreases. In other words, this has little or nothing to do with the games industry in particular.

Hitachi, Toyota, Honda and Mitsubishi also all saw sales decreases of the same magnitude as Sony and Nintendo.

Re:Strong Yen (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | more than 5 years ago | (#28909873)

If we were to interpret it that way, what would the uneducated video game journalists rant about? Getting all the facts is boring and leaves no room for conjecture, so shut up! :P

7th generation of video games - most exciting yet? (1)

w3stfa11 (1093355) | more than 5 years ago | (#28912659)

This is shaping up to be a very interesting generation of video games. [wikia.com] Only a few years left!
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