Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Even More Restriction For German Internet

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the nose-of-the-camel dept.

Censorship 330

tikurion writes "It's only been a few weeks since the law dubbed Zugangserschwerungsgesetz (access impediment law) was passed in the German Parliament despite over 140,000 signatures of people opposed to it. The law will go into effect in mid-October 2009. Now Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen implied in an interview that she is planning on extending the reach of the law, claiming '...or else the great Internet is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly.' More on golem.de via Google translate (here is the German original)."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

4chan (5, Funny)

DreamsAreOkToo (1414963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923445)

where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly.

If this was their goal, there would only need to be one domain on the list.

Re:4chan (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923485)

Trying to block 4Chan just encourages them

Against freedom of speech! For obsessive control! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923683)

Heil, German lawmakers!!! Über Alles!!!

Everyone on 4chan understands 4chan. Don't worry about them.

Re:4chan (1)

Senes (928228) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923495)

Specifically img.4chan.org, which was what AT&T did for a brief while. As an added benefit for ISPs it also cuts down on all the illegal porn and DDoS that people like to fling at the site as well.

Re:4chan (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924177)

it also cuts down on all the illegal porn

You mean spam, which is 90+ percent of all internet traffic? And censorship isn't really the solution for this.

Re:4chan (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923515)

oh there's worse than 4chan.

don't make me show you.

Re:4chan (2, Funny)

m0ve (1280392) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923575)

come on ! we can take it ;)

Re:4chan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923883)

Google "gurochan".

You're welcome.

Re:4chan (2, Insightful)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923605)

German laws are pretty strange. You can be sued just by insulting someone. Of course it's hard to differentiate a harsh opinion and a genuine insult. And if you swear at any governmental worker (police, vehicle licensing office, employment office, etc), forget about it. Free speech is not as strong as it is in the US. So the likes of Howard Stern could not exist in Germany. Of course Germans are worried about l33thax0r posting insults on message boards.

What I find even crazier is that most Germans I've talked to agree with this speech law. I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans.

Re:4chan (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923643)

There is no law specifically against swearing at goverment emploeyees. There just isn't. It's a myth.

Re:4chan (4, Interesting)

TheP4st (1164315) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923741)

I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans.

"Brett Bursey" [wikipedia.org] learned the hard way what the price can be for exercising your "right" to free speach in the USA.

Re:4chan (4, Insightful)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923955)

I guess I should rephrase: I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans used to.

Re:4chan (2)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923847)

You assume too much. Would you be a willing speech advocate if your child was harmed due to speech on the internet? Harmed could be anywhere from crying about it to deep depression to suicide. Yeah, its happened.

Re:4chan (2, Insightful)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923963)

Absofuckinglutely.

Re:4chan (5, Insightful)

karstux (681641) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923975)

Not all is lost in Germany. Political activism against the ongoing restriction of our civil rights is strongly on the rise. The petition against the censorship law has been mentioned in the article, and our Pirate Party has gained thousands of new members in the past few months. It has done pretty well in the European elections this year, and I think that public awareness to civil rights matters has improved since then. I strongly hope the Pirates will enter the Bundestag (parliament) in September.

Our government has used pretty underhanded techniques to push these laws, effectively grouping all opposition to the censorship law with child molesters. So if you ask someone on the street if "they're against a law which will combat child pornography on the internet", of course they will decline. On the other hand, if you asked them if "government and police should be able to censor the internet at will", the result would surely be different.

By the way, this phenomenon is not unique to Germany. In America, civil rights have been whittled away with terrorists as a scarecrow.

Re:4chan (5, Insightful)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924091)

What I find even crazier is that most Germans I've talked to agree with this speech law. I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans.

I'm going to Godwin this, but only because it's true...

IIRC, it's not that Germans don't value the freedom of expression, but rather that they're still suffering from a pretty bad case of what we'd term 'pendulum swing'. You see, after World War II ended, they got a little touchy about people being able to openly spew hateful and hurtful speeches. They clamped down pretty hard on peoples' ability to say what they want, though not directly through legislation, and it never really let up. To this day the Germans still remember what happened to them as a nation the last time bullying, lying, and insulting others went unchecked - they started a war that involved a fairly large number of countries and ended up with them losing and, essentially, being split in two. So, as a result, the older generation, and even the current on (albeit to a lesser extent) is really strict about policing itself.

Penny Arcade's 'Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory' also comes into play here... When hiding behind a screen of semi-anonymity, people with an audience will say and do just about anything to get a rise out of others. This is, unfortunately, part of human nature.

Given that, it's not difficult to see why they're overly sensitive about what people do and say on-line. They're trying, in their own misguided and ill-conceived way, to put the same sort of self-policing mechanism in place on the web that they use in real-life. But since they have to deal with an enormous number of outside influences (read: every site on the internet that doesn't originate in Germany), they have to use the club of law instead of the softer form of social pressure that works when people are standing around talking in the town square. Unfortunately for them, the 'net and the town square aren't the same thing and certainly don't work the same way.

Or, to summarize; this law, though probably poorly-written, is conceived with good intentions, though we all know how that goes.

Re:4chan (4, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924241)

IIRC, it's not that Germans don't value the freedom of expression, but rather that they're still suffering from a pretty bad case of what we'd term 'pendulum swing'. You see, after World War II ended, they got a little touchy about people being able to openly spew hateful and hurtful speeches. They clamped down pretty hard on peoples' ability to say what they want, though not directly through legislation, and it never really let up.

You're mostly correct, except it wasn't the Germans themselves who did it. It was the Allies, then still occupying Germany, who imposed most of those restrictions as the required condition of Germany becoming a free independent state again.

Re:4chan (1)

koinu (472851) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923613)

@USA: It's that time again. Send us some bombs here. We need it badly again...

(Btw, sign it with "4 TEH LULZ!".)

Re:4chan (2, Insightful)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924069)

Bullying, insults and deception.... isn't that what all governments do best? Are they going to legislate against themselves?

"to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly" (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923457)

And also to click the big X in the top right of the screen.

Top right? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923945)

I'm on OSX, you insensitive clod.

Das ist verboten. (5, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923467)

Heaven:
Where the police are British,
The cooks are Italian,
The mechanics are German,
The lovers are French and
It's all organized by the Swiss.

Hell is:
Where the police are German,
The cooks are British,
The Mechanics are French,
The lovers are Swiss and
It's all organized by the Italians.

Re:Das ist verboten. (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923681)

:-), though I would exchange Swiss [antiquorum.com] / German in Heaven.

CC.

Re:Das ist verboten. (1)

mpoulton (689851) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923755)

:-), though I would exchange Swiss [antiquorum.com] / German in Heaven.

You want the Germans in charge of scheduling your eternal peace? I am reminded of the Beck's beer ad, "COMMENCE RELAXATION...NOW!"

Re:Das ist verboten. (3, Funny)

selven (1556643) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924149)

The police are British? That's a bit outdated. Hmm.... what country has a good police force? Sealand?

Re:Das ist verboten. (4, Insightful)

Repossessed (1117929) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924211)

Heaven:
Where the police are British,

In heaven they write you up as a terrorist for taking pictures?

Internet nazi? (3, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923479)

"No Internet for you!"

Obligatory: ACHTUNG ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS (5, Funny)

adelgado (1113833) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923811)

Das computenmachine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Is easy schnappen der springwerk, blownfusen, und poppenoorken mit spittzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken signtseeren keepen hands in das pockets--relaxen und watch das blinkenlights.

Remind me... (1)

linux_stu (1069148) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923483)

never to move to Germany.

Re:Remind me... (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923831)

I'm just reminding you to never move to Germany

Umm.. why? (4, Insightful)

NervousNerd (1190935) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923491)

Now Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen implied

There shouldn't even be a family affairs department. What families do is their own matter, unless they do something illegal.

Re:Umm.. why? (4, Insightful)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923539)

It's called Social department in the Anglo Saxon world... All countries have "family affairs" departments.

But besides that I do find it problematic on what the German government is proposing. If they truly did believe what they did, they would actually fix the school system first! The German school system is a mess and is prone to the exact problems that von der Leyen is trying to solve in the Internet. But hey fixing the school system would mean that von der Leyen would actually have to do something, you know her job!

Re:Umm.. why? (3, Informative)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923579)

I was further doing some reading and here is something interesting:

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/it-medien/die-angst-vor-der-totalen-ueberwachung;2434939;2 [handelsblatt.com]

Einführen müssen die Filterstrukturen Internet-Provider ab 10 000 Kunden. Für kleinere Unternehmen wÃre der finanzielle Aufwand zu hoch. UniversitÃten und Ãffentliche Bibliotheken sind ausgenommen.

Ok translated... Any ISP with under 10,000 clients can ignore this, as well small companies, universities, and libraries...

TYPICAL GERMAN politics, come up with a screwy law, and make it even more screwy! So I guess what I can take from this is that child porn is ok to see at a university, but not a corporation or large ISP... Yeah that makes sense, really does...

Solution to this problem: Pirate party! (4, Informative)

Sven Jacobs (1385749) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923739)

TYPICAL GERMAN politics, come up with a screwy law, and make it even more screwy! So I guess what I can take from this is that child porn is ok to see at a university, but not a corporation or large ISP... Yeah that makes sense, really does...

I guess they introduced these exceptions because implementing the censorship infrastructure on the ISP side takes a great deal of time & money. Obviously only big ISPs can afford that ;)

The big parties of the German government once again proved that they're just doing what they want and not what the citizens want! That's why I'm going to vote for the Piratenpartei [piratenpartei.de] (Pirate party) on September 27.

Re:Solution to this problem: Pirate party! (1)

umghhh (965931) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924155)

They did this because they love complicated laws that provide the loopholes for the needy. Now the question is who could be needy here and what could their need be.

I like Germany but I think their problem is not even their complex law system that nobody really understands. The problem is that the majority of them either believe in it or are to lame to challenge it. Example: a colleague of mine sitting normally on the other side of our common desk claims that german courts never make mistakes. Now I talked with my other colleagues and they (majority of them being of German origin) claimed that I have a problem because I come from a communist country. The problem is not in lawmakers but in lame society that allows them to pass silly ineffective laws and then use these laws as they please. Admittedly it still works better than in NK but one could expect better from a democratic country that allegedly loves human rights and dislikes corruption of political system.

Wikileaks = ISP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923767)

Yes, it's a shame small providers don't have to block.
I would like to see Wikileaks becoming an ISP for one person, just to get a fresh blocking list daily. :D

Re:Umm.. why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924271)

Let me correct your translation a little bit:

Any ISP under 10,000 clients doesn't have to implement this filter because of the cost!

This is not the US you know (2, Interesting)

aepervius (535155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923601)

We have around here in europe a lot of social politic. Not only in hand out, but also in infrastructure. This ministry shortened to family ministery (sorry german) [wikipedia.org] actually do quite a bit more , senior, civil duty, family, kids etc... For example the previous ministry made law to enhance kindergarten infrastructure to allow much more (250K) young kids to have a kindergarten available. And I pass many other stuff. The problem is here they are doing stuff which displease us (censorship) and IMHO should not be in their porfolio. Mind you, at least they can show full breast or half breast on TV here around. Other culture, other taboo.

Re:Umm.. why? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923689)

*sarcasm* Hell, I think that I like all these laws. I mean, why should I be bullied if I post something that a lot of slashdotters don't like? What give them the right to mod me down? Just a few minutes ago, a fellow slashdotter responded to me, and used the word "fuck" in his reply! Disgraceful!! Just who the fuck is he, anyway, to be fucking at me?

I welcome our new German censorship overlords. And, I hope the Ozzies, the Brits, and the Canucks all join with the United States, and follow Germany's example!! *end sarcasm*

Fucking nazis. They're everywhere - even in the outback of down under. Eventually, they'll piss me off, and I'll become another crazy ass anarchist.

Re:Umm.. why? (3, Funny)

Anarchduke (1551707) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923851)

Hey watch it, that's Germany you are talking about. In Germany, it is forbidden to talk about Nazi's, even when they are censoring the internet.

Re:Umm.. why? (1)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924179)

What give them the right to mod me down? Just a few minutes ago, a fellow slashdotter responded to me, and used the word "fuck" in his reply!

You know, censorship is funny that way... in Germany, there are no rules stopping people from saying four letter words (or the German equivalents) on TV, and the rules against showing naked breasts or sex scences are much more relaxed.
And we're allowed to drink alcohol on the streets and show the bottles and stuff.

There isn't really more censorship in Germany then there is in America.
It just affects different aspects of life.

And that's because, you know, censorship is often based on moral standards that differ depending on historic and cultural backgrounds.

Re:Umm.. why? (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924067)

Just wait until they create a Ministry for Desperate Housewives.

Re:Umm.. why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924145)

She's a christian democrat. Christian democrats tend to put a strong emphasis on the family as the fundamental building block of society, strong enough to create family affairs departments.

Re:Umm.. why? (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924245)

She actually got through woth the "But Think Of The Children!!"-approach.

Worst. Election-Campign-Stunt. Ever.

Minister for Family Affairs (5, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923497)

Why are the most innocuous sounding positions in government, always the most malevolent?

Minister for Family Affairs
Home secretary

I will literally shit myself if my government appoints a minister of puppies, pink ponies and day old baby ducklings.

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (2, Funny)

ysth (1368415) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923589)

...silly walks.

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923793)

I will literally shit myself if my government appoints a minister of puppies, pink ponies and day old baby ducklings.

What does the tasty foods ministry have to do with this?

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (4, Insightful)

dido (9125) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923885)

Those are some of the finest examples of actual Orwellian doublespeak in the real world. Read 1984 sometime, and perhaps you'll get a glimmer of understanding. The Ministry of Peace is engaged in making war, the Ministry of Truth falsifies history, the Ministry of Love tortures and punishes those who do not love Big Brother, and the Ministry of Plenty oversees poverty and shortages.

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924131)

Read it.
But I thought, too obvious, slashdot is already overloaded with 1984 quotes already ;-)

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (1)

kirill.s (1604911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923917)

Next thing you know, there will be a Ministry of Peace and a Ministry of Love...

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (1)

karstux (681641) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924047)

Well, to be fair, it's more a matter of Minister von der Leyen grossly overstepping her competencies. She simply shouldn't dabble in matters of communication and infrastructure. Of course, that's a benevolent interpretation... and it's shocking and unsettling that she was able to install the law.

Re:Minister for Family Affairs (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924229)

I will literally shit myself if my government appoints a minister of puppies, pink ponies and day old baby ducklings.

Minister for the arts.

" I say Freedom " (4, Insightful)

testman123 (1111753) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923555)

Citizens of the world, dark forces are at work in most of our democracies. They plans to get control of a power tool & medium: the internet. Their aim at restoring the "control on information and the oligopolies" of the previous millennium and extending it further any known limits.

Most of them claim, it is to restore "good old values". But the real reason behind all those bigotries is the money my friend!
The fight for freedom as started.

But, the force of the cipher is among us ;-)
Are you ready ?

Re:" I say Freedom " (3, Interesting)

foobsr (693224) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923623)

But the real reason behind all those bigotries is the money my friend!

My favourite pet theory is that it (restrictions&cameras everywhere etc.) boils down to preparing for a time when essential resources (water, probably energy) will be scarce indeed.

The fight for freedom has started.

No. The majority of those who will be affected is either struggling for food (so called 3rd world), a 'better' life (e.g. China) or is too stupid (decadent) to realize (eu, us).

CC.

Re:" I say Freedom " (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924117)

'majority' != 'all'

Re:" I say Freedom " (1)

raffnix (1472681) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923935)

The same rule that applies to all things that bring joy and happiness to your life also applies to the internet: If something sounds too good to be true it usually is. So say bye-bye freedom now.

The Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923565)

Will always route around damage.

But citizens of the internet must be willing to help it do so.

We need to lock everyone in their houses (5, Insightful)

FranTaylor (164577) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923573)

Or else the great outdoors is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly.

Re:We need to lock everyone in their houses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923721)

My thoughts, exactly.

Re:We need to lock everyone in their houses (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923857)

But then the small indoors is in danger. We need to move everybody to the moon, starting with the people who create laws like these.

Re:We need to lock everyone in their houses (2, Funny)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923881)

But then the small indoors is in danger. We need to move everybody to the moon, starting with the people who create laws like these.

The moon? The MOON ?! You're thinking way too short.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Ark#Golgafrincham [wikipedia.org]

Re:We need to lock everyone in their houses (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924139)

Stop using common sense in politics. It doesn't belong there. As far as I know, two things can influence a regular politician : bribery and riots.

Re:We need to lock everyone in their houses (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924163)

Isn't that what happened in the I, Robot movie, where robots were programmed with the need to maximize safety as an unbreakable law but with no understanding of freedom?

Time machine? (2, Insightful)

kheldan (1460303) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923583)

This german woman must be viewing the internet through some sort of time portal; it's already a piece of crap!

Re:Time machine? (4, Funny)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923745)

It'd have to be a machine that go could pretty far back. Way back, even.

So...Let Me Get This Straight (1)

CyberSlammer (1459173) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923587)

Internet bullying is illegal in Germany.....but it's still okay to view people dressed in leather and wearing WWI Kaiser helmets shitting on each other and middle-aged men having sex with 15-year olds. Just making sure I'm not misinformed here.

Re:So...Let Me Get This Straight (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923941)

Just making sure I'm not misinformed here.

You are misinformed here. The law the scope of which von der Leyen wants to extend currently is about blocking child porn, and

middle-aged men having sex with 15-year olds

certainly fits that description exactly.

Bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923621)

Restricting the access to a commit a crime would be like restricting one's ability to drive on a highway because one might decide to be using it for to rob a bank.

Achtung Schweinhund! (0, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923669)

Ich habe kein Versicherung für meinem Polenüberfallenmittelstoffshrankwagen!

Impedimented (2, Funny)

thatkid_2002 (1529917) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923679)

I think their government might not only have an access impediment, but also a speech impediment with a name like "Zugangserschwerungsgesetz".

Re:Impedimented (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923849)

What do you think of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderkennzeichnungs-_und_Rindfleischetikettierungs%C3%BCberwachungsaufgaben%C3%BCbertragungsgesetz
?

Re:Impedimented (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924029)

Pah, "Zugangserschwerungsgesetz" is a perfectly ordinary German word. A better example would be
"Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" (beef labeling regulation & delegation of supervision law). When trying to pronounce it in a parliamentary discussion, politicians found it funny themselves, though. I think they're hyphenating it now.

Re:Impedimented (2, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924185)

Maybe they should make a law against long words in the names of federal laws. They could call it Bundesgesetznamenswortlängenbeschränkungsgesetz.

wrong (5, Insightful)

lordharsha (1101875) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923701)

the great Internet is in danger

Pity she can't see that the threat is from people like her.

 

turning into a lawless range of chaos

In other words, a free and uncensored global platform for communication

wait, what? (2, Insightful)

niteice (793961) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923731)

"the great Internet is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly."

It's not already?

Re:wait, what? (1)

mpoulton (689851) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923765)

"the great Internet is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly."

It's not already?

Yeah, and isn't that what has made it so great? The lack of structure?

Re:wait, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923927)

It isn't. At least in Germany where this law has been passed. In Germany the Internet is x-fold more regulated than "the real world", even before the passing of this law.

Re:wait, what? (1)

Aokisensei (1605857) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923933)

It is, and that's what's good about it. The Internet is the last few if not the last lawless "wild-west" kind of setting.

Re:wait, what? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924169)

But you don't understand, you pedo-terrorist, that now families have access to the Internet !

Of course you don't understand, like me you probably were already browsing before puberty. You have to understand that some ministers started browsing after menopause...

Rain in KÃln (1)

Carra (1220410) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923833)

If it rains in KÃln, it drops in Brussels. I hope this won't come over to our regions as so often is the case.

OMPQ (0, Redundant)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923835)

Zugangserschwerungsgesetz...

...Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm.

Free advertising for the Pirate party. (4, Insightful)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923841)

Apparently, some people in the German government haven't realized yet that the Pirate party has made it on the ballots in some places, and that the next election is less than two months away.

Just keep giving them some more free advertising.

Completely unrelated, I'd also see some legislation allowing the Federal Constitutional Courts to hand out savage beatings with the clue stick to everyone involved in drafting and passing unconstitutional laws. And they should broadcast it on TV, too.

Re:Free advertising for the Pirate party. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923899)

Do you really think the German Pirate Party gets more votes in the general election than in the European Election? As much as I hope so, I don't believe it.

Re:Free advertising for the Pirate party. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924195)

They probably will get more votes. If they also get a higher percentage of votes is a different question.

Re:Free advertising for the Pirate party. (1)

raffnix (1472681) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923907)

Apparently, some people in the German government haven't realized yet that the Pirate party has made it on the ballots in some places, and that the next election is less than two months away.

Good that the pirate party has already a member in the parliament.. sure he'll have plenty of TV time to comment on this in the next days.

You missed the important bit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28923919)

"We need a debate about the right level of freedom, democracy and human rights on the Internet" said von der Leyen.

About time that the government decides what the right level of democracy and humans rights is. Too much of a good thing is very bad, as we all know.

The German government already banned a couple of small parties [thenational.ae] from taking part in the upcoming elections, thus impeding the right to vote. But people are still free to bitch about the results. Freedom enough, don't you think?

Re:You missed the important bit... (1)

moronoxyd (1000371) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924233)

The German government already banned a couple of small parties from taking part in the upcoming elections, thus impeding the right to vote. But people are still free to bitch about the results. Freedom enough, don't you think?

First of, it's not the government that banned those parties but the comitee overseeing the election.

And that's normal procedure.
A party needs a certain number of supporters before it is allowed to participate in an election. All parties where aware of that fact, all parties hat time to collect signatures from supporters.
Some didn't get enough signatures in time, so they are out.
Some didn't manage to provide the paperwork in time.
Some don't follow the rules there are for organising a party.

If I tell you that parties who get less than 5% of the votes won't enter the Bundestag (parlament) at all, you''' probably see that too as a sing of the government fixing the result of the election. Even though that is part of the laws for elections for some 60 years.

(And just in case you want to know why there is that 5% limit: Ever seen a parlament with lots of small parties in it? It's damn near impossible to get work done.)

Please forgive that woman (4, Informative)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 5 years ago | (#28923931)

She has been recently discovering the internet, before she was living happily in Barbieland playing with her Disney ponies.
The wakeup call was simply too hard for her.

Seriously, if you read interviews with her, that woman is the german equivalent to Sarah Palin. Stupid dangerous outrigt arrogant and does not even listen one second to anyone!

Re:Please forgive that woman (1)

hughk (248126) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924151)

Unfortunately using platforms such as "protecting the children" is something that a number of minor politicians and fading celebrities have done to boost their careers. The lady may be an idiot, but so are a significant number of people, who are concerned about things they don't understand. However, this is all academic as I have no vote in Lander or Bundes elections.

Re:Please forgive that woman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924247)

She has been recently discovering the internet, before she was living happily in Barbieland playing with her Disney ponies.
The wakeup call was simply too hard for her.

Seriously, if you read interviews with her, that woman is the german equivalent to Sarah Palin. Stupid dangerous outrigt arrogant and does not even listen one second to anyone!

I bet I know what part she discovered...

Here's a preliminary translation of her statement:

"My God! His asshole was gaping as if he'd just shat out a football.
And his... his... *thing* was dangling like a sausage... It was horrible, just horrible."

Is it really that time again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28924055)

Perhaps the US should preemptively kick Germany's ass again. You know, just in case.

"despite over 140,000 signatures..." ? (1)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924071)

Oh, you mean the politicians should have paid more attention to that 0,17% of the population? They have a job to do, it's called democracy.

For the record, anything that limits, tracks, or controls public access to information and the Internet is Bad in my book.

If anything, I would lament that only a mere fraction of a percent give enough of a damn to sign their name against it.

Stop signs to prevent access (1)

firefarter (307327) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924125)

Is this that stupid bill where they wanted to display stop signs before you access pornographiic websites?

As if a stop sign would prevent anybody. This is so very, very brain dead.

Freedom != freedom (2, Interesting)

jandersen (462034) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924137)

Freedom means different to different people. To a lot of people in the world "freedom" is not a religion, but just something that is nice to have, sometimes. I don't expect the Freedom Fanatics to understand this, let alone accept it, but it is true none the less. I also expect to get modded down for saying so - by those very "Freedom Fighters".

So, to a majority of Germans it makes sense - it seems very clear that the internet has indeed already become a cesspit with a very few gems floating around in it. To a lot of people the rather abstract benefits of "freedom of speech" are simply not important enough to outweigh more mundane concerns, like not being harrassed by the idiots that seem to dominate everything on the internet.

The internet is indeed a powerful tool for communication and it can be used to promote freedom and bring valuable information to everybody and so on. But there is a huge difference between the freedom you enjoy in a society where people treat each other with respect and dignity, and the freedom you have in a lawless wilderness, where you can expect every person you meet to be an enemy. I know which one I'd choose.

Re:Freedom != freedom (3, Insightful)

Mascot (120795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924249)

To a lot of people the rather abstract benefits of "freedom of speech" are simply not important enough to outweigh more mundane concerns, like not being harrassed by the idiots that seem to dominate everything on the internet.

Here's a thought: Don't go there

Nobody's forcing them to surf around the Internet at random. It's perfectly possible to only use it for their country's major newspapers and online banking, if their psyche is so tender they cannot handle anonymous people writing stupid things.

If the Internet was invasive, I might concede you have a point. But, as the nickname for the law shows, this is about limiting _your_ access, not preventing the idiots out there from doing their thing. It's like instating a curfew to protect you from criminals.

For the record, I have nothing against child porn filters, which was the original notion of this law apparently. My country's ISPs all have one. The difference is the police decide what goes on that list after they manually check the sites, there's no political agenda. And it's not even a block, it's a warning you can click through.

Re:Freedom != freedom (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924267)

The difference is the police decide what goes on that list after they manually check the sites, there's no political agenda.

There's always a problem if the police can just do stuff without a judge being able to review their decisions.

Language barrier already achieves this! (2, Funny)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924207)

In all honesty, I couldn't understand any of them (the germans) anyways.

Hell, Google can barely understand them...

So just in case you missed it... (2, Insightful)

vorlich (972710) | more than 5 years ago | (#28924259)

If you are reading Slashdot from outside Germany in English, then don't come to live here. Well, okay you can live in Berlin but you are forbidden to travel any further south and stay off of my snowboard turf!
Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?