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KDE 4.3 Released

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the get-yer-fresh-bits dept.

KDE 432

Jos Poortvliet writes "After another 6 months of hard work by over 700 people, after fixing over 10,000 bugs and granting 2,000 wishes, KDE 4.3, or 'Caizen,' is here (the release takes its nickname from the Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement). The KDE Desktop Workspace introduces, besides the usual stability and speed improvements, new widgets, the ability to 'peek' in a folder with folderview, and activities tied to virtual desktops. The KDE Application Suites feature improvements in the utilities like a more formats supported in Ark and the return of the Linux Infrared Remote Control system. Instant messenger Kopete introduces an improved contact list and KOrganizer can sync with Google Calendar. Kmail supports inserting inline images into email and the Alarm notifier has gained export functionality, drag and drop, and has an improved configuration. The KDE Application Development platform has seen work on integrating the Social Desktop and the new system tray protocol from Freedesktop.org. You can watch a screencast of the Desktop Workspace here."

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Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946647)

KDE 4.2 sure wasn't

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (3, Insightful)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946815)

I'm afraid I wont get personally excited about any KDE release until they get it working with the Orca screen reader, which works very well with Gnome.

I only read at 250 words per minute, but my listening speed is now at 460wpm for reading fiction, and over 500wpm for Orca reading web pages. I have a blind friend who listens to his computer at 860wpm. This is very cool stuff, so it's a shame KDE is late to the game.

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (3, Funny)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946943)

Wow, so you listen to 7.6 words per second when "reading" fiction. Let me guess, your favorite is steven king? (I heard he writes it at a slightly slower 6 words per second).

But all joking aside, KDE should be compatible with audio readers for the benefit of blind people.

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (3, Insightful)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947263)

Well, "words" are a bit fuzzy. Openoffice reports this text [billrocks.org] as 925 words. This is an mp3 [billrocks.org] of Orca reading it, which lasts 120 seconds. It's fun to listen to. I'm on my 7th novel in 4 weeks, which I play in the car, at the doctor's office, or anywhere else that's normally down time.

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (2, Funny)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947369)

You posted a link to an ADSL line on Slashdot?

Good luck!

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947113)

Sounds noble but securely making all text available to a screen reader would be a complete mess. I for one don't want kcalc to be able to read my email.

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (1)

FesterDaFelcher (651853) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947251)

Did you possibly mean wpm/10? Or are you that guy from the MicroMachine commercials in the '80s?

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (1)

Davorama (11731) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947531)

I think I still have his tape cassette somewhere. 10 classics in 10 minutes...

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (1)

Razalhague (1497249) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947309)

I once tried that, but it was very much problmatic as it left my eyes with nothing to do and conflicted with my usual aural distraction for (reading) fiction; listening to music.

Re:Is this the KDE 4.0 we've all been waiting for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946977)

KDE 4.2 sure wasn't

Even suckier!

Caizen is actually spelt with a K (5, Funny)

bheer (633842) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946651)

...interesting to see the KDE team drop the K from a word where it'd actually be appropriate [wikipedia.org].

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946755)

Since we're splitting hairs - you mean spelled?

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946877)

"Spelled" and "Spelt" are used by entire countries. "Caizen" is a non-standard Romanization of a foreign language purportedly used by KDE developers. A bit different.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (1, Insightful)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947225)

Hmmm, I thought 'spelt' was a variety of wheat.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947437)

I thought 'svelte' was a variety of hips.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (3, Interesting)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946965)

Okay, you want to split hairs? Japanese words are not "spelled", they are written using a mix of Chinese and phonetic symbols. As noted above æ"å- is how one should write the Japanese word for "improvement". Unfortunately, many people outside East Asia has no idea how to read or pronounce that, so we "romanize" words based on a commonly accepted latin alphabet equivalent. The usual Latin alphabet equivalent is kaizen with a k. Lately, a lot of bars and brands in Japan are trying to use the 'c' instead of the 'k'-- the most common example is the NTT wireless provider Docomo (meaning "anywhere"). Here endeth the lesson.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (3, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947061)

Lately, a lot of bars and brands in Japan are trying to use the 'c' instead of the 'k'-

Why is that? What's wrong with 'k'? In languages using latin-based alphabets, 'k' is usually better because it's always a hard consonant, unlike 'c' which varies a lot depending on the language and the word. In English, 'c' is sometime a hard consonant that sounds like 'k' (like in "crap"), and other times is a soft consonant that sounds like 's' (like in "celestial"), and sometimes is combined with other letters for something else (like in "cheese").

If you want to use a Latin alphabet to show non-native speakers how a word is pronounced, and the word has a hard 'k' sound, why not just use a 'k'?

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947361)

hahaha try telling that to the Japanese. People harp on about europeans don't understand other races, well it works both ways. Asian people have no clue about european culture or ways.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (2, Informative)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947579)

Lately, a lot of bars and brands in Japan are trying to use the 'c' instead of the 'k'-

Why is that? What's wrong with 'k'? In languages using latin-based alphabets, 'k' is usually better because it's always a hard consonant, unlike 'c' which varies a lot depending on the language and the word. ... If you want to use a Latin alphabet to show non-native speakers how a word is pronounced, and the word has a hard 'k' sound, why not just use a 'k'?

The biggest reason is probably that it looks less "foreign." Docomo looks at least a bit more Anglicized than Dokomo, which for whatever reason may be more appealing to some people.

Plus, it's usually not that hard to figure out. A handful of exceptions aside, c (and g, for that matter) is generally hard except when proceeded by e or i (formerly the non-low front consonants of English, which they still were when this phonological change took place and which they still are in other languages that also do this, such as Spanish). The combination ch is usually a digraph representing /tS/ (XSAMPA, not IPA--apparently Slashdot doesn't play well with Unicode), sometimes /k/, but rarely, if ever (in English) /kh/. Plus, if you know that the word is Japanese...

But basically, I would guess that the use of c appeals to more people because it looks more like an English(-ish) word.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (2)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947645)

Why? Because it's Japan. They aren't using English and Roman letters because of accuracy or a desire to communicate, they use them because they're considered cool.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947099)

Sure, sure. But this is the KDE project for pete's sake. Spelling the word with a C is a ... missed opportunity.

Best to just pick one and not change it (1)

droidsURlooking4 (1543007) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947345)

This reminds me of a few years ago when Koreans unofficially changed the spelling of Cheju (it's an island off of South Korea) to Jeju. It's really all the same to them, but think of all the headaches from a systems perspective, particularly with air travel.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (1)

thyristor pt (1507463) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947557)

The exact same thought stops me from reading the rest of the story. I always get stucK in Caizen.

Re:Caizen is actually spelt with a K (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947603)

I think they are trying to shake the K everywhere thing.

I mean Gwenview? really? that is quite confusing and has to be intentional.

Krap in my mouth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946711)

I am Linus Torvalds and I like big steamy pieces of crap excreted in to my mouth.

Soo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946717)

Anyone installed it yet? Any user reports on how it works?

Re:Soo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947065)

Anyone installed it yet? Any user reports on if it works?

What's the point? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946739)

How is this useful? I just want a fucking command line. It hasn't needed improvement in 30 years.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947413)

I hope you wrote that post using Lynx (or better yet, a custom Perl script using LWP), or else you'd be a hypocrite.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947783)

How is this useful? I just want a fucking command line. It hasn't needed improvement in 30 years.

If you think the commandline can't improve or isn't. Try zsh.

And if you are a real daredevil, try running multiple terminals in X. For instance by using the Konsole program. It really improves the command line productivity. No kidding!

Deps and Packages. (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946753)

How many dependencies and packages is it? Besides Basic X Install.

Re:Deps and Packages. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947731)

Considerably less than Gnome.

making progress (2, Interesting)

hannson (1369413) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946779)

I'm not trying to troll here. It certainly looks more polished than the train wreck that 4.1 and 4.2 was, but is it just me or do QT4 and GTK applications just look ... bigger/clunky/unpolished when compared to Windows / KDE3.5 applications?
 
That said, I like that it's making progress!

Re:making progress (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946899)

I hope so. KDE 4.2 was such a mess that I uninstalled Intrepid and went back to Hardy. Maybe 4.3 will work well in Karmic but if KPackageKit is anything to go by I'm not holding my breath.

Re:making progress (4, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947031)

Your problem is not KDE, it's Kubuntu. One of the worst KDE distros I've every tried.

Re:making progress (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947423)

Don't know, tried the live cd, couldn't get wireless working, downloaded Ubuntu. C'mon, that one they should have seen coming. If you can't get that right, you may as well release at a later date. Maybe they should have used 3.5 for 9.04, or they should have tried another wireless configuration utility, but this blows.

Re:making progress (2, Interesting)

Svenne (117693) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947759)

Agreed, ever since Kubuntu switched from KDE 3 to 4 it's been crap. After years with KDE, not wanting to give up the goodness that is Ubuntu (apt, mostly) I had to switch to GNOME. I've tried KDE 4.1 and 4.2 occasionally, but it's still unusable. Just something as stupid as the "search field" in the "K-menu" (or whatever it's called nowdays); sometimes it registers presing enter, and sometimes it doesn't. Maybe I'll want to start "konsole" and I'll just type "konsole" and press enter. Sometimes it starts, other times nothing happens. I'll wait, wondering if it's just a delay, "is the harddrive bogged down?," "did I miss enter?". Nope. It just didn't register. It completely kills the flow of working with the desktop. Utter crap.

At first I thought it was a bug in 4.0, but it's still there in KDE 4.3pre (whatever's in Kubuntu 9.10 Alpha 3).

Please name me a polished KDE 4-based distribution. Or two, because if you were going to say openSuSE I'll want to skip that one.

Re:making progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946917)

Maybe you should try a different theme.

Re:making progress (2, Insightful)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946923)

No. If you are referring to the looks it's a matter of taste.
If you are referring to Qt, I can tell you that the Qt toolkit is at this point nothing less than Windows Libraries. If you are referring to polishment you should talk about specific applications and not the whole toolkits. Take Smplayer for example. It's an app that is exactly he same on windows an Linux(and I actually like it better on Linux).
Qt 4 is relatively new, and it was from my point of view a necessary break from Qt3. The great modifications are at the programming level, and I find it one of the best toolkits I ever programed.

Re:making progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946925)

For starters, why is everything gray.
Can't they break the tradition where the whole UI uses only two colors (one for "3d" elements, one for list backgrounds), and add some differentiation?

Re:making progress (0, Troll)

ammorais (1585589) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947089)

For starters, why is everything gray. Can't they break the tradition where the whole UI uses only two colors (one for "3d" elements, one for list backgrounds), and add some differentiation?

Great idea. Why don't you design a new theme at your taste and submit it.

Re:making progress (3, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947191)

You have to be careful when using too many colors, or else you might wind up with something like Windows XP which looks like it was designed by Fisher-Price.

Seriously, it's easier to be minimalist, as you won't offend or annoy people as much. If you try to do more bold things, aesthetically, you might find some people who love it, but a lot of people will absolutely hate it. GM just had to shed an entire car company that tried "bold styling" too much, called Pontiac. Here's an example of one of their more famous forays into non-conservative styling:
http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/05.trucks.worst.residual.value/05.pontiac.aztek.500.jpg [edmunds.com]
I found this image in an article about "worst residual value". With something that ugly (though I'm sure the designers didn't think so), it's hard to find people to buy it from you. I recall this vehicle being an outright disaster in sales.

Of course, that's the beauty of themes. Unlike a car, where once it rolls out of the factory you can't easily change the way it looks or its color, changing a theme on your desktop environment is pretty trivial, taking only a few mouse clicks. So it's better if the DE uses a minimalist theme for the default, and then offers some more exciting themes as options which users can select if they want.

Re:making progress (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946961)

I really liked 4.2 already and have been using it for a while now. As for the looks: I think it's just a matter of getting used to it. Now that I worked with 4.2 a while I find KDE 3 applications to look bigger / clunky / unpolished.
When I first switched from Windows to Linux I also found KDE 3 applications to look unpolished. After using it for a while and after getting used to the style I suddenly found Windows to look unpolished.

But I'd say it took me way less time to get used to the KDE 4 looks then it did with KDE 3 so I guess they are in fact more polished ;)

Re:making progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947015)

Dunno. Been running KDE 4.2 on Fedora 10 for a while now, and it seems to work just fine...
Bigger, clunky, unpolished? That's the great thing about KDE, if you want to have your apps big, clunky and raw, you're welcome. Tweaking themes can take you to a totally different workspace (smaller, more elegant and sleek), though.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder... (2, Informative)

Anne Honime (828246) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947035)

kde 3.5 (and windows, last I looked at it) had much more tiny graphics because the screens they were intended to be displayed on were much smaller. Nowdays, 1280x1024 19" lcd is pretty much low end whereas it was top of the line 5 years ago. So qt & kde evolves, and that's fine by me. I run 4.2 ATM, and while I'm eagerly waiting for 4.3, to iron out some quirks, I don't consider it a train wreck. 4.0 was rushed out and 4.1 made it somewhat barely usable, but 4.2 is really what 4.0 should have been in the 1st place. Not perfect, but sort of okay for everyday use.

Re:beauty is in the eye of the beholder... (1)

gspawn (703815) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947195)

I was going to make a longer post and allude to my point, but instead I'll just say it- I view KDE as the majority of Slashdotters view Vista. Only KDE hasn't come out with a Windows 7 yet.

Re:beauty is in the eye of the beholder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947211)

No. I'm sorry, but I bought a damn 17" widescreen laptop so that it would be freakin' huge, NOT so that it could act like a 15" laptop from last year. I don't want my DE to have that space, _I_ want that space! So when I drag a panel, I want to drag a panel, not a representation of the panel that's three times as large. Screens should be getting bigger, not staying relatively the same.

Re:beauty is in the eye of the beholder... (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947543)

1280x1024 ...... is pretty much low end whereas it was top of the line 5 years ago

Sure about that? I bought a nice CRT in the mid 90s with that res, maybe 1996 when the 1600x1200s came out and the price for the "old" 1280s started dropping. It was by no means top of the line at that time. I haven't owned a monitor below 1600x1200 since the turn of the millennium. And I've always bought new, and never spent more than $500 (always thought the $2000 monitor guys went a little overboard).

According to

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/computer/video-resolution.htm [vaughns-1-pagers.com]

1280x1024 was first released in 1994 but I'm sure it's older than that. Wikipedia speculates it was available in the mid 80s, although I don't know if "available" means 5 figure technology demonstrators vs off the shelf at our dear, departed comp usa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SXGA [wikipedia.org]

I do agree... (1)

Anne Honime (828246) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947769)

... but I was speaking of LCD (it should work better with caps), because while you and I made the wise choice to stay crt when they became affordable in big sizes, all the people I knew were lured toward the newer LCDs coming in miserable sizes unheard of for years (like 15") ; I even remember LCDs being given marketing "size equivalent" to crts, to try (and most of the time succeed in) luring the buyer into spending more on a tiny LCD than on bigger and better crt.

Conclusion : the general public was long accustomed to tiny screens and WMs had to take that in account.

Re:making progress (2, Insightful)

Draek (916851) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947043)

is it just me or do QT4 and GTK applications just look ... bigger/clunky/unpolished when compared to Windows / KDE3.5 applications?

It's just you.

Also, if you honestly didn't want to troll you should've left out the "train wreck" comment from your post, it wouldn't have changed its meaning while being much less inflammatory.

Re:making progress (1)

hannson (1369413) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947177)

I agree, it was a little too cold. I personally didn't like the 4.x but this looks like something I might actually like to use, a step to the right direction. I just find the difference from 4.2->4.3 that noticeable that I allowed myself to call previous versions a "train wreck". YMMV

Re:making progress (4, Interesting)

pyrico (1034804) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947201)

Actually, it's probably not just him.

Qt4 has larger spacing margins and padding on widgets by default in there layout system than Qt3. Also, I believe KDE4 uses larger fonts and more anti-aliasing than KDE3 systems, so the same dialog with the same set of widgets and text most likely is larger in KDE4 on a pixel basis.

That said, you can probably control this to some extent with font settings etc, but the widget padding and margins are up to the application developer.

Re:making progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947393)

Their! Their! See, it's not that hard. It's even shorter.

It amazes me to see how americans are dumb. I'm not a native english speaker, and I never commit errors like this.

Re:making progress (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947581)

What gets me is that while there as some Plasma devs working on a Netbook containment for small screens, we haven't seen a widget theme/overall theme designed for small screens.

Between mobile phones, netbooks and smartbooks, you think Nokia/Qt would be all over this. If not, then perhaps the KDE devs themselves would come up with a good solution here.

Re:making progress (1)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947307)

Mostly you, but it is true that GTK apps will use more images than their windows competitors. Don't know why, must just be a HID thing.

KDE seemed to have wasted space in the initial KDE4 release, but I haven't checked on it in such a long time so I have no idea what it's like.

Still, I find GTK and Qt to be a lot more colourful than Windows, regardless of themes on either platform.

Re:making progress (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947545)

The wasted space issue is part of the Oxygen widget theme. It drives me nuts as well, but frankly I don't know how to make a new Qt4/KDE4 widget theme. So I keep waiting and hoping that someone else will come up with a tighter Oxygen theme. That being said, the actual Oxygen theme has been tightened up a bit since the 4.0 launch.

Re:making progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947335)

What do you expect? The time spent polishing 3.5 was far greater. Version numbers don't exactly tell you the amount of effort and time that goes into it's creation. The 4.x series will eventually reach the same polish level but it will take time. Getting lots of feedback helps accelerate development which was the main reason for the early and fast releases. Don't like it? Just because they released it doesn't it you have to use it. The 3.5 series are still supported. The kde group simply valued the benifit of increased feedback at the cost of reputation (nobody would say anything if they left this in the development branch but that means alot less feedback)

Re:making progress (4, Insightful)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947383)

It's a matter of opinion, as I see GTK and Windows looking ugly and clunky, and Qt/KDE looking beautiful and polished.

Re:making progress (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947649)

I know that KDE 4.0 widgets were quite bigger (approaching 5% I would say), but I found them quite attractive, so I wouldn't say clunkier.

This was during the beta, when I had kcalc-kde4 and kcalc installed side-by-side.

Save me from the polish (3, Interesting)

Burz (138833) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947791)

I like GUIs as much as anyone (and its the reason why the last system I bought is a Mac) but as a 10-year Linux user I already know this new package of FOSS loveliness is not going to save Kubuntu from being truly awful. It doesn't change the fact that so much in the Kubuntu GUI is broken (like not being able to set a static IP).

And I suspect this release will not suddenly display some inspiration or direction for either of those projects. What I will have, yet again, is a pile of (sometimes brilliantly coded) pieces that don't quite fit together or come together to make end users say, "Oh, I get it!"

There is a heap of stuff that KDE (and Gnome, and the distros) won't do because no one (not a single soul) will ever take responsibility for facilitating critical use cases across these projects. And that is why after all these years, the Linux desktop still "feels wrong" to most techies (and more confounding to average users than other OSes).

Some weeks back I was considering a switch to Gnome, but then a story popped up on Slashdot (with impeccable timing) announcing that Gnome will be put through the same whole-integer re-write process that KDE just went through.

No thanks.

Per-desktop activities assignments (3, Interesting)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946829)

"Activities can now be tied to virtual desktops, allowing users to have different widgets on each of their desktops."

THIS is what i've been waiting for. I don't know why it was not there to begin with. Glad it's here. I wonder if it'll break my Mandriva One-modified KDE4.x, however. It would be nice to get back the ability to change the backgrounds on the login widget as well as the background when the desktop is locked. Mandriva seems to cripple that feature for the non-paid installs, and none of my sleuthing has let me to how to undo that cripple. It was one reason i paid $50 contribution to PCLOS 2007/8.

Re:Per-desktop activities assignments (1)

carlmenezes (204187) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947067)

So does this mean that different virtual desktops can have different wallpapers? I'm a very visual person, so different wallpapers are very important to me to emphasize the difference between each virtual desktop.

Re:Per-desktop activities assignments (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947295)

For KDE when did that ability go away? In 3.5 you can have each virtual desktop have it's own wallpaper.
I was told that in 4.3 you would finally be able to have SystemTray widgets on two differnt toolbars. I've ofetn lamented for this at work were I use a dual display setup on y laptop.

When I read the release notes I hope it's there.

My new wish is that if you use dual displays then each display is it's on virtual desktop.

Re:Per-desktop activities assignments (4, Informative)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947479)

It went away when Plasma became another layer above the window managers virtual desktops. Had plasma simply been a library and a method for displaying desktop widgets this wouldn't have happened but some retard had to have it this way, so away went different wallpapers for different virtual desktops, along with a lot of other features KDE3 had though most regressions were not because of plasma.

I still don't know what the hell plasma activities are supposed to do, except break things. They don't do anything that virtual desktops don't.

Anyway, now with KDE 4.3 you can have one activity for all your virtual desktops or have one activity per virtual desktop. If you do the former, you can have all your desktop widgets on all desktops (handy so you don't have to switch around to use that folder you put on your desktop or to check the weather) but loose the ability to have different wallpapers for those desks OR you can have different wallpapers by having a different activity on each virtual desktop and loose the ability to share widgets across all desktops. So if you want that folder or your weather widget on every desktop, you're going to launch a separate instance for each activity.

Re:Per-desktop activities assignments (5, Interesting)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947703)

I want to mod funny... But, i want to respond, too.

It's really nice to be able to show off the KDE (compiz/KDE/Mandriva/et al) desktop rotting the cubes and polygon desktops around, in ONLY 256 MB of SHARED VIDEO RAM,not the umpteen .75 GB or 2GB vista demanded before even turning on Aero. It's a nice, good feeling to have people looking over my shoulder or asking about that desktop, and being able to say, "No, this is not Vista. It's KDE, in Linux. And, this has been possible about or more than a year prior to Vista's release, and i had some of these features working on a 128 MB graphics card from CompUSA, and even wowed the Comcast guy who was restoring my service back in late 2006..."

Makes people wonder who the hell decided vista needed all that graphics power to do what Linux (and Mac) have been on lesser resources. Conjures up thoughts of collusion/screwing the consumer --- depending on one's perspective, that is...

What's in a name? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946847)

the release takes its nickname from the Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement

Which. let's face it, is something KDE4 could benefit from for a long time. Why would anybody opt for continuous and gradual improvement when they can simply install openbox and get a huge improvement [quotationspage.com] all at once?

"granting 2,000 wishes" (3, Funny)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#28946909)

I wish for a hundred million dollars.

And world peace. And a pony. And the year of Linux on the desktop.

That's cool and all. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946919)

But how many distros already have 4.3 in their non-testing repositories? /me is a happy arch camper :)

WOAH!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28946937)

"After another 6 months of hard work by over 700 people"

WOAH!

"(the release takes its nickname from the Japanese philosophy of continuous improvement)"

WOAH!

"The KDE Desktop Workspace introduces, besides the usual stability and speed improvements, new widgets, the ability to 'peek' in a folder with folderview, and activities tied to virtual desktops."

WOAH!

"The KDE Application Suites feature improvements in the utilities like a more formats supported in Ark and the return of the Linux Infrared Remote Control system."

WOAH!!

"Instant messenger Kopete introduces an improved contact list and KOrganizer can sync with Google Calendar."

WOAH!!!!

"Kmail supports inserting inline images into email and the Alarm notifier has gained export functionality, drag and drop, and has an improved configuration."

INLINE IMAGES IN EMAIL??? DOUBLE WOAH!!!!

Well I'm convinced - THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER!

Re:WOAH!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947095)

INLINE IMAGES IN EMAIL??? DOUBLE WOAH!!!!

Seriously. I was surprised to see that one listed; you would think they would be too embarrassed to mention it. Outlook Express, the free piece of crap email reader included with Windows, has had that feature forever. Welcome to 1999.

Re:infamous begin bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947217)

It worked so well it took Microsoft until Windows SP2 to finally patch OE trashing whatever followed a 'begin ' (with 2 blank spaces trailing) at the start of line. Wow. Impressed. Used that feature for years on news groups to p*ss off OE users.

Fuck your captchas slashdot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947105)

KDE 4.x is not generally accepted as an improvement by long term KDE users (over 6 years of use here) so they should rename it to something like "we don't care what users want, fuck them!"

FYI the slashdot captcha implementation utterly fails to work with FF3(any version) and chromium (from ubuntu ppa) on my netbook. /. just keeps getting more and more lame.

fixing 10,000 bugs (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947111)

No, they did not fix 10,000 bugs. They closed 10,000 bug reports, which is a completely different thing.

Many of the bug reports were dupes. And many more were closed for one reason or another without actually fixing the reported problem.

Re:fixing 10,000 bugs (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947517)

And many bugs were simply closed WONTFIX because the bugs pertain to old versions that are no longer being maintained.

KDevelop4? (3, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947125)

While we're on the topic, does anyone know if/when KDevelop4 will be released?

Re:KDevelop4? (3, Informative)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947337)

It's currently in Beta 4, and judging by the release times of the previous Betas, and assuming Beta 4 is the last before the final release, I would guess the somewhere between the end of this month, and the end of September.

I know that doesn't really help, but if you are really that interested, start playing with the beta.

I Ran KDE4.2 (4, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947373)

Whew. The snarky comments about KDE are pretty crazy.

I still have it on my Debian testing/unstable laptop. It's not a very new laptop and KDE4.2 ran very quickly on it. The desktop itself did not have glaring issues. None of the eye candy is enabled by default, so it doesn't look immediately fabulous on Debian. But turn stuff on and there's plenty of prettiness available. There were issues with Korganizer, so it sounds like they cleaned it up quite a bit. For the most part, I don't use konqueror any more since I found bojourfoxy. http://andrew.tj.id.au/projects/bonjourfoxy/ [tj.id.au]

It's clear there is a huge amount of activity going into these releases because whole features have been rewritten since kde4.0. Over time, it looks like most of the common KDE applications have been ported to kde4 too, so there's still solid interest in the desktop.

It looks like they are continuing their efforts to simplify working with KDE as a programmer. So, maybe the bigger KDE4 story that isn't covered as much on slashdot is the programming side?

I'm actually using XFCE4 at the moment for no good reason other than change is good. It's leaner, with enough eye candy for me.

I want to be optimistic! (1)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947377)

So I hope a real step towards real stability and feature richness as seen in KDEv3.5.
KDE v3 is dead, long live to KDE ... v4!

KDE vs Vista vs 7 (4, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947453)

It really bothers me when I hear people make uninformed silly comparisons saying that KDE 4 just copies Vista or 7. Honestly, I think there are some great "pillars" that have great potential, but sadly are still under developed, such as Sonnet and Nepomuk I think KDE 4 is just starting to really come into its own and can become a truly great desktop. I just don't think it has delivered on its potential yet.

Conversely, in the areas that perhaps KDE should consider taking a page from Microsoft, they refuse to do so. When I've suggested to Aaron Seigo that he solve the "no-right-click" problem when designing Plasma to also be fully usable on a touch-screen, I suggested he take a page from 7 and use a multi-touch gesture such as 7's for a right-click. In 7, you hold one finger down and then tap with a second finger for a right-click. Aaron deleted my suggestion. I made it a second time thinking maybe I didn't post it, and he deleted it a second time. I've made suggestions to maybe take a few cues from 7's taskbar, and those are always deleted as well.

Is it honestly some great sin to emulate the better features of other desktops? Hasn't KDE done that from the beginning?

Karma burning for fun and profit (5, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947503)

From the KDE 4.0 launch and on, Kubuntu/Ubuntu has been shipping some pretty broken packages. I don't want to hate on the Kubuntu developers/packages, but it is the simple truth. And it sure seems like everytime I hear a complaint about KDE 4.x, it is from someone who had a bad experience trying KDE 4.x in *buntu land.

If that is the case, might I suggest that you try a better KDE distro? openSUSE, Arch Linux and Sabayon would be recommendations, in that order.

Here is a weekly snapshot openSUSE/KDE 4 SVN live CD.

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Medias/images/iso/KDE4-UNSTABLE-Live.i686-1.3.62-Build1.1.iso [opensuse.org]

Re:Karma burning for fun and profit (2, Interesting)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947653)

I've noticed this, too. I installed Ubuntu 9.10 at some point (because the kernel has support for some of the hardware in my PC that kernels in other Ubuntu versions don't support), and about every single KDE app I used was seriously broken. I know KDE is better than that. Now, I know 9.10 is not an actual release yet, so there is time to fix things, but I find it interesting that there is nowhere near as much breakage outside KDE packages. What gives?

Re:Karma burning for fun and profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28947751)

I'm not denying your claim, but I thought Kubuntu had pretty vanilla KDE packages. I always wondered what they did to break them.

Folder Sneek?? (2, Interesting)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947511)

I'd like to give all these dev's that pushed/forced us away from tree/folder view a boot to the head. X-Tree Gold in the DOS days had more functionality then a modern file-manager does.

Here is a hint that you are doing something wrong:

If you have to spend time adding functionality to a program that worked before you removed another function, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!

I have recently moved to OSX for a big project I am working on, and I curse Steve Jobs mother every time I need to use Finder and open a dozen different windows/work my way through several nested folders that 3 mouse clicks would do in Windows Explorer/Konq. (from v3.5)

Re:Folder Sneek?? (1)

jabithew (1340853) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947765)

Just use Spotlight? Or alternatively switch to the view that shows you all previous folders. It's the one that looks like french windows.

Insert Happiness Here (2, Interesting)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 4 years ago | (#28947713)

Disclaimer: I have not installed KDE 4.3 - yet - and I run Kubuntu 9.04.

First off, I would like to applaud the team for the work they did and continue to do for KDE. I have really pleased with how far they have come from 4.0 - which made Enlightement look full featured and bug free. I'm looking forward to improvements to Amarok and Kopete - especially with respect to the new Kopete Facebook chat plug-in. (I currently use Pidgin because it has facebook chat and it has killer-apps status - soon I'll kill someone because of it).

That being said, I'm not thrilled with their Akonadi PIM database. I have found it to be a serious resource hog and that many applications simply do not play nice with it. And the insistance that it must scan EVERYTHING again at start up is a serious WTF. I'm also not sold on the social desktop concept either - but I haven't played with it yet and I prefer for my desktop background to be more of a ever changing photo album, so I like it empty. Taskbar, thank you!

Again though, I want to thank the people at KDE and the volunteers who support the project. Good job!
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