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Yahoo Filing Reveals Details of Microsoft Deal

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the all-chairs-must-be-bolted-to-the-ground dept.

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CWmike writes "Microsoft will pay Yahoo $50 million a year for three years and will hire at least 400 Yahoo employees as part of the companies' recent search agreement, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Yahoo's form 8-K, which appeared online on Tuesday, reveals a few additional details about the agreement. The deal, announced last week, will mean that Microsoft's Bing search engine will power Yahoo's search site and Yahoo will sell premium search ad services for both companies. Five years into the 10-year agreement, Microsoft can opt out of the exclusive engagement for Yahoo's ad sales services, according to the filing. If it does, Yahoo will then keep 93 percent of the search revenue generated on sites owned and operated by Yahoo, instead of 88 percent. But Yahoo can also decide to remain the exclusive premium ad sales provider, in which case it will settle for an 83 percent share of the revenue. If Microsoft doesn't end the exclusive arrangement, Yahoo's share of the revenue will go up to 90 percent."

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I don't care about the search engine (1)

jgardia (985157) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955709)

but if they mess up with my email, I'll cut the pay subscription right now.

Re:I don't care about the search engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28955775)

but if they mess up with my email, I'll cut the pay subscription right now.

Hrm... From Fake Steve Job's "R.I.P., Yahoo" [blogspot.com] :

Rest in peace, Yahoo. O portal O news feed O provider of free email accounts that everyone used before Gmail existed

Re:I don't care about the search engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28958897)

O superman
O judge
O mom and dad

Re:I don't care about the search engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28958247)

You use Yahoo mail??

For realz??

Only one problem... (4, Insightful)

Kratisto (1080113) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955713)

This deal assumes that people will use anything other than Google. There is no difference between zero dollars times 93 percent and zero dollars times 83 percent.

Re:Only one problem... (2, Insightful)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955805)

This deal assumes that people will use anything other than Google. There is no difference between zero dollars times 93 percent and zero dollars times 83 percent.

Together they will have 30% of the market share. How is that zero dollars?

Bzzztt!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28955899)

30 percent???

LOL! Try again dipshit. Yahoo has around 11 percent. Microsoft's last place search has around 8 percent.

Together they have around 19-20 percent.

Re:Only one problem... (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#28960571)

30%?

From http://marketshare.hitslink.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=5 [hitslink.com] , Google has just under 80%, Baidu at 9%, Yahoo at 7 and Bing at 3.

Even in the US-only, http://www.hitwise.com/press-center/hitwiseHS2004/google-searches-apr-09.php [hitwise.com] :
Google has 72, Yahoo has 16 and Microsoft has about 6 % (but these numbers are from a couple of months ago, but they don't change that fast).

Re:Only one problem... (2)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955809)

"This new Google thing assumes that people will use anything other than AltaVista/Webcrawler/Yahoo."

Not saying that Bing/Yahoo will take over, but Google hasn't always been #1.

Re:Only one problem... (1)

dotwhynot (938895) | more than 4 years ago | (#28960465)

"This new Google thing assumes that people will use anything other than AltaVista/Webcrawler/Yahoo." Not saying that Bing/Yahoo will take over, but Google hasn't always been #1.

I remember when AltaVista for quite a while _was_ Internet search, the same way Google is today, and seemed just as impossible to dethrone. AltaVista gave Google an opening by straying from their core dedicated web search strategy, going for a broader portal and services oriented strategy. Sounds familiar? ;)

Re:Only one problem... (4, Interesting)

Guse (1283076) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955839)

That's a cute statement, but while Google's market share is dominant (like 67% maybe), I want to say that Yahoo has about 12% of the market... which is a pretty darn significant amount. Combined with Microsoft's share (which around 9%), you're looking at over 20% of all online ads. No, Google isn't worried, but I think that it's actually a pretty good deal for both sides.

Re:Only one problem... (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955897)

There is no difference between zero dollars times 93 percent and zero dollars times 83 percent.

There is if you operate your business under the same accounting principles used by the Federal Government ;)

Re:Only one problem... (1, Flamebait)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955927)

These kind of comments are just total bullshit. If you check statistics, google has around 70% marketshare. Bing+Yahoo together has around 25%. If you think a little that is millions, even billions of dollars with the amount of visitors they get and what the ad clicks make them. Instead of just trolling, maybe get your facts straight before posting.

MS + Yahoo == 19-20 percent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28957017)

MS Search 8 percent
Yahoo Search 11 percent

Does that add up to 25 percent retard?

Re:Only one problem... (5, Interesting)

sharkey (16670) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956135)

There are a couple folks here that use Yahoo every day: They have it set as their homepage, and the first thing they do every morning is search for 'Google' so that they can get to web sites.

Sad, but true.

Re:Only one problem... (2, Interesting)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956643)

My home page and main mail adresse are still with Yahoo. Mainly for historical reason: Yahoo had that stuff when Google didn't even exist, and that's when I got them. But still, as far as homepages are concerned, Yahoo is on a par with Google. Basically, I have 3 columns of RSS feeds, + mail preview. I've tried duplicating that in Google, it does... the same thing, the same way, and I'm too lazy to switch.

I do use Google for my searches, except it's just a matter of typing "g WoW patch 3.2 notes" in the adress bar (thank you, Opera).

Yahoo mail does not allow pop nor imap for free, which is a pain. I'd switch, except I forgot the password the my proper gmail ID (no points for guessing which it is ^^), and I can't seem to get it back.

Strangely, I have more concerns about Google knowing everything about my online life than I have with Yahoo... Plus a little diversity is a good thing, so Home = Yahoo, searches = Google suits me fine.

Re:Only one problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28956869)

I do use Google for my searches, except it's just a matter of typing "g WoW patch 3.2 notes" in the adress bar (thank you, Opera)

You do realize that you could just as well create a search for yahoo so it's "y WoW patch 3.2 notes" with Opera by right-clicking into Yahoo's search field, choosing "Create Search" and picking "y" as keyword, right?

Re:Only one problem... (1)

MathiasRav (1210872) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957769)

You do realize that you could just as well create a search for yahoo so it's "y WoW patch 3.2 notes" with Opera by right-clicking into Yahoo's search field, choosing "Create Search" and picking "y" as keyword, right?

I've tried duplicating that in Google, it does... the same thing, the same way, and I'm too lazy to switch.

Re:Only one problem... (1)

ibookdb (1199357) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957553)

You don't need the g anymore

Re:Only one problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28971127)

you still need to specify the keyword which tells Opera which search engine to use (for example g for google, a for amazon, or whatever) if you only use one word in the address bar. It will use your default search with 2 or more words seperated by space, but with only one word it will try to find $word.com (or whatever your default TLD is set to).
Of course that's only relevant if you don't hit the down arrow and use ? $word.

Re:Only one problem... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956655)

This deal assumes that people will use anything other than Google. There is no difference between zero dollars times 93 percent and zero dollars times 83 percent.

That's a pretty good assumption actually, or more accurately that's a statement of fact rather than an assumption. While Google does get a majority of search traffic, it by no means gets all.

Re:Only one problem... (1)

jbacon (1327727) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956905)

OP was being facetious, guys! Just thought I'd let you know...

Re:Only one problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28961753)

I used to use Yahoo! before the MS deal. However, Bing is far inferior to any other search engine. For Yahoo! to use Bing is what makes me not use Yahoo! anymore..

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28955717)

Yahoo search is dead - Long live Yahoo search!

Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (3, Funny)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955841)

Yo dawg, I herd you like search, so I put this search engine in a search engine.

Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28959595)

Yo dawg, I herd you like search, so I put this search engine in a search engine.

Why are stupid memes like this promoted to +4, Funny? Who finds this tack hilarious?

Hint to moderators: This can't be off-topic given the parent comment.

yahoo should have accepted the original offer.... (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955815)

I still think I'd be pretty peeved if I owned Yahoo stock over the fact that they rejected Microsoft's buy-out offers. The last one that Microsoft made had Yahoo valued at $31/share. It's now trading at around $14.50. Given the fact that Google dominates the search engine market and Yahoo hasn't innovated anything in years does anybody really think it's likely that Yahoo will ever see a $31 share price again? They've entered an inexorable decline that will eventually end in them being bought out by someone (probably Microsoft) for a heck of a lot less than $31/share.

I'm kind of surprised that the board didn't sued for breaching their fiduciary responsibility when they rejected that offer. That was one heck of a deal for the shareholders and I'm extremely baffled that it was rejected.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (3, Insightful)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956341)

Yahoo! shares were between $30-$40 for the last few years before the collapse. Thing is, Yahoo! did not innovate and keep market-share according to this, but they had a slow decline as people turned to Google and others more and more because of better services.

This effectively means that they had an over inflated stock value at the time (also called a bubble). When talks with Microsoft began, a lot of actual value assessments were made, but because of the merge possibility the prices stayed hyped. Then they suddenly went down to reasonable values after the merge talks were canceled.

This is a normal market healing mechanism. People who are into stocks should know this, make some sane assessments on the base of performance, evaluate risks and then make sane purchase decisions.

In reality, everyone in that crowd just wants to make a quick buck without any economic reason what so ever. This is why I have zero pity for Yahoo! stock holders.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956639)

All of what you just said sounds like another good reason why Yahoo should have accepted Microsoft's inflated offer and run with the cash while they had a chance......

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956779)

This is why having shareholders can suck for a business's bosses. If you want to do what's best for them, then the stock price pretty much steers your business decisions, regardless of what you might want for your business to do. I imagine that's why MS made the huge offer in the first place - even if the terms are sucky, your shareholders are going to want you to accept if it doubles their investment.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957191)

This is why having shareholders can suck for a business's bosses.

I hate to break it to you but the CEO isn't the "boss" unless he owns 50.1% of the outstanding shares.

your shareholders are going to want you to accept if it doubles their investment.

Well duh! And this is a problem, because???? Are you telling me that if you owned a business and someone came along and offered you twice what it was worth you wouldn't accept their offer? Remember to take into consideration the fact that your business is facing both a much more nimble and innovative competitor (Google) and a 500 pound gorilla (Microsoft). Remember to account for the fact that your business has done nothing but decline over the last ten years. Taking all of that into consideration you'd really reject an offer like that?

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958137)

You don't have to have 50.1% of the outstanding shares to make significant decisions regarding the company's future. That just gives you the potential to act unilaterally, which no sane individual is going to do anyway.

Your second remark is exactly my point. When you have hungry stakeholders looking for a good ROI there's no concept of turning down a lucrative offer to keep your business identity, or to ensure your tightly-knit board calls the shots, or to preserve Casual Thursdays, or because the offer mandates replacing 90% of your staff with cheap overseas labour. You've got to go where the money is.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958767)

Your second remark is exactly my point. When you have hungry stakeholders looking for a good ROI there's no concept of turning down a lucrative offer to keep your business identity, or to ensure your tightly-knit board calls the shots, or to preserve Casual Thursdays, or because the offer mandates replacing 90% of your staff with cheap overseas labour. You've got to go where the money is.

That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Most investors did not put their money into Yahoo with such lofty ambitions as you describe. Tell me, when you put money into your 401(k) are you doing it so Yahoo can retain it's "business identity" or are you doing it so you can retire one day? Yahoo's "business identity" is toast anyway -- they don't have the cash to compete with Microsoft or the innovation to beat Google.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#28959003)

Sure if your mentality is that you can only be number one once and will be destined for failure after you rein is over.

Peope used think that about games consoles but nintendo bucked the trend when against two big opponents. There is no reason Yahoo can't do the same if they take research seriously.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

jeffshoaf (611794) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957255)

If you want to do what's best for them, then the stock price pretty much steers your business decisions, regardless of what you might want for your business to do.

You're ignoring dividends - that's a way to get a return on your stock investment without constantly "flipping" your stocks. Unfortunately, it seems that most shareholders these days are more interested in short-term results and flipping their stocks, leading too many companies to make decisions based on short-term results and ignoring the issues those decisions create with long-term company stability and results.

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958613)

Umm, has Yahoo ever paid a dividend? Didn't think so......

Re:yahoo should have accepted the original offer.. (1)

ragnathor (955771) | more than 4 years ago | (#28962821)

It's true that Microsoft offered $31/share and Yahoo is now ~$14. However, keep in mind a lot of Yahoo's decline has to do with the economy and market as a whole. The S&P 500 is down 30% since the time of Microsoft's offer. Assuming they took the offer and invested elsewhere, Yahoo investors would have had around $20/share right now. That's still a lot better than $14, but certainly not as good as $31.

The Failure of Microsoft's Search Efforts (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28955817)

It is staggering to look at the money and effort Microsoft has put into attacking Google - and what a complete and utter failure it has been.

150 million in advertising, paid for media stories, and astroturfing "I'm a long time Google user and by golly I'm switching to Bing!" posts on web discussion boards. Plus silly marketshare inflating games like using Bing search links pretending to be news items on MSN pages.

All that and all Microsoft managed to do was get their search engine slightly higher than Yahoo's distant second place marketshare for a day or so and then plummeted right back down to last place around 8 percent.

Even worse is the fact that Microsoft's latest rebranding of their search product is at a lower marketshare than it was a year ago without the massive ad and PR campaign.

Re:The Failure of Microsoft's Search Efforts (1)

thejynxed (831517) | more than 4 years ago | (#28963255)

That is because they made the mistake of re-branding their search engine right as they were bringing all of the Live! services together. They should have left it as Live Search and retained what brand recognition they had.

This is what happens when idiot marketing drones get final say over anything regarding your product.

Think about this for a few minutes: Xbox Live!, and the rest all have Live in the title, and is quickly and easily recognizable because of this. What PHB moron changes their branded search engine title from Live Search to Bing in the face of this fact? Especially when they are aiming to push quite a few of the existing 'PC-only' Live services out to the gamers via Xbox Live!, Zune, and Games for Windows titles and marketplaces. They are working hard to establish their own complete set of branded services tied into A) PC (Games for Windows + Media Center) B) Xbox (Live! and Live! Marketplace) C) WebTV D) Zune. The entire point was to gain a much larger consolidated chunk of the 'home entertainment/home theater' market via one-stop-shopping for 'useful' services and product.

It's a rather large part of the long-term strategy they have, that they even bothered making Zune and Xbox 'home entertainment' devices. Those devices were developed strictly (from an MS standpoint) as advanced sales/sales alignment tools (that happen to double as useful entertainment devices).

Some stupid marketing fucks had to go and 'screw the pooch'. GREAT JOB! You just did a HUGE marketing no-no, you overpaid assholes.

Quite a few people don't like Microsoft as a corporate entity, and that is fine. I happen to respect the engineering talent they employ, and actually enjoy using some of their products. Their wired and wireless optical/laser mice and wireless ergonomic keyboards for instance, are the best that I've ever used, bar none.

Yahoo gives MSFT their search engine tech too (3, Insightful)

Locutus (9039) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955831)

I was wondering if Microsoft was going to just get all of Yahoo's search data and it was stated that Microsoft gets Yahoo's search technology along with 400 of their engineers. So just how useful is the opt-out feature when you've handed your competition all your data, technology, and engineers and you've not kept the technology up for 5 years? Answer: their opt-out clause is only good for fooling the investors and board into thinking there's a way out.

LoB

Re:Yahoo gives MSFT their search engine tech too (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958355)

I was wondering if Microsoft was going to just get all of Yahoo's search data and it was stated that Microsoft gets Yahoo's search technology along with 400 of their engineers. So just how useful is the opt-out feature when you've handed your competition all your data, technology, and engineers and you've not kept the technology up for 5 years? Answer: their opt-out clause is only good for fooling the investors and board into thinking there's a way out.

LoB

But what options does Yahoo have at this point? Their search market share is in a free fall, falling from 20% to 10% in just one year, they have had heavy downsizing. This last ditch deal is better than dying out without even a whimper.

Re:Yahoo gives MSFT their search engine tech too (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 4 years ago | (#28972871)

everything I saw showed Yahoo with 20% share and Microsoft with 9% share. Yes, the 3rd place company was getting the 2nd place company's search technology and database data and all for the price of taking on all data center and engineering efforts.

Yahoo's option was to continue with their 20% and use those profits to figure out how to make money off something else. They should have collected a half a billion at the very least for all of Yahoo's data. IMO, this was more of a plan by Icahn to increase his value by helping Microsoft and giving Yahoo a short term boost so he can dump their stock. Yahoo will get to show some good profit numbers for a few quarters as they move all datacenter costs and 400 employee salaries over to Microsofts books. The stock will rebound abit and Icahn will dump and Yahoo executives will exit. Just a theory.

LoB

Microsoft got a good deal (2, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955845)

"Microsoft will pay Yahoo $50 million a year for three years and will hire at least 400 Yahoo employees as part of the companies' recent search agreement, according to a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

50 mil and those 400 employees' salaries are pocket money for Microsoft. They have paid a great many times more than that in various out-of-court settlements over the years.

Incidentally, another comment that springs to mind is that Yahoo must be quite desperate: $50M is nothing for a large intarweb company these days.

Microsoft and Yahoo joining efforts will probably produce nothing good at all though: they both have mediocre search businesses, and they'll end up with a mediocre shared search business. Nothing for the big G to worry about I reckon.

Re:Microsoft got a good deal (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956257)

Incidentally, another comment that springs to mind is that Yahoo must be quite desperate: $50M is nothing for a large intarweb company these days.

50 million is peanuts; the deal is for Yahoo to provide all of the ads for Yahoo! and Bing searches and keep 88% of the revenue. Given that Bing has around 8% of the market and Yahoo! has around 12%, they're getting 88% of 20% of the market instead of 100% of 12% of the market, which works out to almost a 50% increase in potential revenue from ads. More, if you factor in the fact that Yahoo! becomes more attractive to people wanting to buy ads by suddenly increasing the size of the target audience.

Yahoo! has been in the portal business more than the search business for about a decade, so this also lets them focus more on this area. Microsoft takes their search engine development overhead (which requires constant R&D spending to remain competitive) and lets them focus on things closer to their core market.

This deal smacks of desperation (1)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955855)

It seems like it's heavily tilted in Yahoo's favor. MS seems to be grasping at straws to become relevant in search, and I don't think this did anything but enrich Yahoo. Google might keep a wary eye on them, but I doubt they are worried at all.

If you dance with the devil (5, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957801)

You WILL pay his fee.

Microsoft always makes deals that LOOK like great deals for their partners. And then there's always a term in the details for some unlikely contingency that miraculously comes true that allows them to eat their partner. It would be interesting if it weren't the same show over and over.

Re:This deal smacks of desperation (2, Insightful)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958761)

If you knew anything about the business, you wouldn't say that.

Microsoft's search strategy is long-term. Giving up a sizable profit for now (I strongly doubt that they're losing money on it, but the numbers tell you their overhead pretty clearly) gives them:

-Yahoo's search engineers, who will move to Microsoft
-A company with experience in ad sales and portal development
-Over twice the market share

This is a long-term run at Google, not something to keep Slashbots entertained for the next week or so.

Re:This deal smacks of desperation (2, Insightful)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958789)

Oh, and keep in mind that this lets them tie in and monetize Flickr (huge), Del.icio.us (also huge), and Yahoo's other services.

BING: But... It's Not Google! (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955863)

You know the old acronym, BING: But... It's Not Google!

Quoting: "Microsoft will pay Yahoo $50 million a year for three years..."

How does that fit? Yahoo rejected an offer of $44.6 Billion [techcrunch.com] , but accepts "$50 million a year"?

I'm guessing that if they had just Googled it, they would have found information that indicates the idea is foolish. I'm not saying I know how the idea is foolish, I'm only saying that it seems to me that something is wrong somewhere.

Re:BING: But... It's Not Google! (2, Interesting)

Dudibob (1556875) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956271)

Remember that's $50 million a year, plus 9£% of all revenue from their own sites for JUST search, plus they free up 400 peoples wages. Also Yahoo have still got Flickr, Delicious, Yahoo Mail and others to rely on. There's also a number of get-out clauses too so Yahoo can just walk away, Microsoft have come out on top of this deal but Yahoo it's not all bad for Yahoo

Skepticism (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 4 years ago | (#28961127)

Yes, it's a better deal than I said. However, there are others who are skeptical. Someone posted a link to an opinion by Fake Steve Jobs: R.I.P., Yahoo [blogspot.com] .

Re:BING: But... It's Not Google! (1)

bs7rphb (924322) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956867)

It's a recursive acronym:

BING Is Not Google.

buh bye yahoo (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 4 years ago | (#28955937)

i have just abandoned my yahoo email account and will let spammers fill the inbox & spambox until yahoo either deletes the account or needs the disk space and clears out the spam themselves because i no longer give a damn about yahoo anymore...

BOSS? (2, Interesting)

Alethes (533985) | more than 4 years ago | (#28956003)

How does this affect Yahoo's Search API, BOSS [yahoo.com] ?

Re:BOSS? (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957003)

From TFS:

The deal, announced last week, will mean that Microsoft's Bing search engine will power Yahoo's search site and Yahoo will sell premium search ad services for both companies

I think that answers it nicely. You'll be wanting this [microsoft.com] instead.

Re:BOSS? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957665)

More importantly, is Yahoo considered evil now ?

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28956193)

Yahoo is dead - Long live Yahoo!

What about FreeBSD? (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#28957387)

Doesn't Yahoo employ several key members of the FreeBSD project to work on it as much of their infrastructure (at least at one time) was powered by FreeBSD?

Re:What about FreeBSD? (1)

haxorwear (1612707) | more than 4 years ago | (#28960251)

Those guys aren't in the search division...

Doesn't sound like much of a deal (2, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958435)

Microsoft will pay Yahoo $50 million a year for three years...

That's about what Marisa Mayer spends on dry cleaning. Okay, not really, but that's a rounding error for Google.

Microsoft and Yahoo teaming up on search reminds me of a fraternity rush when the dorks end up clinging together for survival in the corner. I just can't see anything compelling coming out of this union. Microsoft's online services are clumsy and unattractive, they're always trying to tie it to their desktop OS. And Yahoo...meh. What services do they have that Google doesn't do better? Google has Voice and Labs, are always coming out with something new, pushing into new product areas. Yahoo barely keeps up with what they have.

This is the strategic partnership to nowhere.

Re:Doesn't sound like much of a deal (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 4 years ago | (#28958811)

Flickr comes to mind. Personally I like it more than Picasa.

Delicious used to be good, but I've never used Google Bookmarks. I use Xmarks.

Microsoft reaches search deal with Yahoo!!! (2, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 4 years ago | (#28959123)

As Microsoft's search engine share sunk to its lowest level yet, with approximately 8 to 9 queries total worldwide [today.com] , Steve Ballmer has hooked up with Yahoo! and its 21 queries worldwide.

The press conference was held on a street corner in San Francisco as Mr Ballmer and Jerry Yang sat with their hats on the sidewalk and playing harmonicas with a "WILL WEBSEARCH FOR FOOD" sign behind them.

"Understandably, we expect less activity in the Great Recession," said Mr Ballmer. "Nobody knows what value assets should be ⦠say, you aren't finished with that cigarette, are you?"

Press attendees included a schizophrenic local resident in a tinfoil hat ("to keep Google out"), two teenagers drunk on malt liquor and a policeman keeping an eye on things from a distance. The teenagers taunted, confused and upset Mr Ballmer by suggesting he attempt to locate his own posterior.

"My new search technology is unstoppable! Just look at this netbook!" shouted Mr Ballmer, waving an Etch-a-Sketch in a threatening manner. "IT'S MAUVE! IT RUNS WINDOWS SEVEN! LINUX PUT A RADIO IN MY HEAD! I'LL SHOW 'EM ALL! BASTARDS!"

"Some love stories are eternal," said Mr Yang. "Romeo and Juliet. Heloise and Abelard. Leopold and Loeb. Microsoft and Yahoo."

Don't presume Google will continue to dominate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28960635)

I hate fucking Google, I won't use them. Their adwords pricing is extortion (you cannot fix a price over a fixed period).

One thing that Microsoft have done that is very savy is that you with the latest version of Internet Explorer you can pick specialised search providers such as: The New York Times, BBC etc. This is a really clever move on their part.

I am mainly interested in Current Affairs, so if I can target my searches towards a specialised provider, I will have much better results. That is surely a direction that is going to flourish and undercut the dominance of Google.

Google is bollocks as far as I am concerned.

So what about Zimbra? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28961039)

I always cringe when MS and Yahoo do anything together. If Yahoo was smart, they would push Zimbra hard at the Exchange crowd. At least there is money to be made.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28961963)

Will be interesting to see how soon yahoo messenger stops working for Linux and OS/x.

It's going to happen just how quickly MS kills them, will see.

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