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Mac OS X v10.5.8 Ready For Download

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the upgrades-are-for-wimps dept.

OS X 152

mysqlbytes writes "Apple has posted an anticipated v10.5.8 patch for Mac OS X, updating a number of components in the operating system, one of their last updates to Leopard. The update brings improvements to Safari, Airport, Bluetooth, among others and rolls out the latest OS X security fixes." Worth glancing at are some of the security-related notes on the update.

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nothing broke yet (-1)

MacColossus (932054) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965831)

Installed at 4:15 central. All is good so far. No noticeable differences yet.

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965861)

Yeah, well just trying using kermit and see what happens.

Re:nothing broke yet (4, Funny)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966059)

I did. Now he follows me around singing "It's not easy being green" and complaining that his dick smells like pork.

Re:nothing broke yet (2, Funny)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966103)

He's here all week. Don't forget to try the waiter and tip the veal.

Re:nothing broke yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966287)

ROFLMFAO

Re:nothing broke yet (5, Informative)

ElKry (1544795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966063)

My wife's Macbook (MB881LL/A, white, early 2009) updated earlier today (from software updates), and froze mid-installation of the update. When restarted, it would kernel panic saying the kernel signature didn't match the CPU.

I had to restart the mac with the shift key pressed (safe mode) and after aprox. 15 minutes of gray screen with the spinning circle, it restarted itself again and booted up correctly, saying that all is well and 10.5.8 is installed. I am still wary of what might have messed up in the process, but at least this may work for anyone else with the same problem.

Re:nothing broke yet (-1, Troll)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966257)

My wife's Macbook (MB881LL/A, white, early 2009) updated earlier today (from software updates), and froze mid-installation of the update. When restarted, it would kernel panic saying the kernel signature didn't match the CPU. I had to restart the mac with the shift key pressed (safe mode) and after aprox. 15 minutes of gray screen with the spinning circle, it restarted itself again and booted up correctly, saying that all is well and 10.5.8 is installed.

If Windows did this there would be several clas action lawsuits and a EU investigation. But, since it's Apple, it's OK.

Re:nothing broke yet (5, Informative)

ElKry (1544795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966321)

Of course. I have never seen a Windows update causing BSODs that forced me to boot in safe mode and actually go around the drivers/services/etc looking for the reason the OS won't start. That's just science fiction.

Re:nothing broke yet (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966681)

I've actually never seen one after zillions of updates on a shit-ton of machines, so I can only imagine you're just incompetent.

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

ElKry (1544795) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966843)

That's right. I am incompetent, and so is my wife. Or does the MacOSX problem fit your bias better than the Windows one, therefore making me an incompetent and Microsoft totally cool, while making Apple incompetent and my wife totally cool?

And how am I supposed to be incompetent when all I do is click "Restart" after that nagging window keeps poking me with the fact that it updated a lot of stuff and I need to restart my computer like, right now? Is there any specific highly technical wrist twist I should be doing while clicking on it? Please enlighten me on this subject as I would love to stop having this problem in the future.

For the record, debian has a record of having done this to me on a couple of occasions as well since Bo. You think I should start a class action lawsuit, too?

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968969)

That's right. I am incompetent, and so is my wife. Or does the MacOSX problem fit your bias better than the Windows one, therefore making me an incompetent and Microsoft totally cool, while making Apple incompetent and my wife totally cool?

Dude! Haven't you heard? Apple is the new Microsoft and Microsoft is the new NeXTstep. Get with the program.

Re:nothing broke yet (0, Flamebait)

oogoliegoogolie (635356) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966889)

Why wait until you update windows? Just use windows normally for a day or two and you're bound to encounter a safemode-requiring BSOD.

Re:nothing broke yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966907)

Worked fine on my Macbook Pro.

  Of course if it HAD been a Microsoft update error, it wouldn't be news, it would be business as usual.

Re:nothing broke yet (2, Insightful)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968851)

It's true. And yet you're a 'troll'.

Me, I had to skip 10.5.7 (and let The Sims 3 sit uninstalled, because it required it), because I committed the heinous crime of having my LCD connected via a DVI-HDMI cable.

I and everyone else who'd done so lost most of our resolutions. My 1920x1200 LCD would only run at 1920x1080 interlaced.

This was broken for nearly FOUR MONTHS - and this is not a rare problem, there are THOUSANDS of Google hits on this issue.

But no, you're a Troll.

Re:nothing broke yet (4, Informative)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967119)

You need to download the 10.5.8 standalone installer and try it again. On some of the updates (10.5.6, 10.5.7?) your computer is supposed to restart once or twice before it boots up normally. I rarely, if ever, have problems with the standalone installers (the only issue is that they are big downloads).

-HTH

Re:nothing broke yet (0, Flamebait)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968869)

Because, of course, "it just works" isn't really all that true, right? Funny, my Software Update never told me to "go download the Combo Update just in case...".

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

radicimo (33693) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967265)

Safe Boot would clean out caches and re-link dynamic libraries. I believe it also cleans out some of the /var and /tmp and lock files, but that's just an assumption based on the types of problems that I've seen it fix.

Re:nothing broke yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28968797)

You probably had some existing directory errors before applying the update that caused it to freak out. Starting in safe mode performs a Check/Repair Disk (fsck -fy), if booting to safe mode takes a long time it means that it was probably repairing errors.

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968935)

My wife's Macbook (MB881LL/A, white, early 2009) updated earlier today

There is your problem.

I'm here to help. Remember, always do the following before you point upgrade:

  1. Do a memory check (hold down "D" when you start up and click the appropriate buttons afterwords).
  2. Always boot with the installer CD first and repair your disk then fix disk permissions before a point upgrade.
  3. Are you listening? Do I have your attention? OK. Never, ever, in a billion years, allow yourself or someone you care about to point upgrade OS X on the day of it's release. Best is to scan the rumor sites for a week or so before you commit.
  4. Now, go facepalm your wife or ask her to facepalm herself for violating rule 3.

Re:nothing broke yet (4, Informative)

Zarel (900479) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966545)

Unfortunately, it looks like nothing important was fixed, either. The OpenGL bug on NVIDIA graphics cards [wz2100.net] is still there. :/

Re:nothing broke yet (3, Insightful)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967387)

A bug causing a game to not render the background correctly is "important", but security fixes et al are not?

Re:nothing broke yet (1)

Zarel (900479) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967605)

A bug causing a game to not render the background correctly is "important", but security fixes et al are not?

Well, I was exaggerating a bit. Of course security fixes are important. But as a developer of the aforementioned game, I'm kind of more affected by the rendering bug. I mean, when's the last time an OS X security bug has had an exploit in the wild? Compare that to not insignificant number of Warzone players (Windows and Linux are supported, too! Come try one of the most popular FOSS RTSes today! [wz2100.net] )

outstanding work, Apple! (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968857)

Everything is running without a hitch, and using the computer even feels a lot snappier!

And I haven't even installed the update yet!

Waste of time (3, Funny)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965841)

OS X is dying. Netcraft confirms it.

Re:Waste of time (0)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966113)

LOL! I know you're carrying on a long tradition of trolls here on the dot, but that wasn't even a good try.

Re:Waste of time (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28968713)

"the dot"? Seriously? What, are you auditioning for a marketing gig or something?

WTF is wrong with you mods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966513)

The guts of OSX are BSD. This was obviously a joke. It WAS funny until you retard mods got to it.

Re:Waste of time (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966521)

Apparently, the only thing dying around here is that joke...

Nothing to see here, move along. (0)

GreatDrok (684119) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965865)

Nothing much has changed as expected other than the Mobile Me iDisk icon has changed to a rather fetching blue one with a cloud on it from the old magenta one. Update took a while to complete on my 1st gen MacBook Pro.

Re:Nothing to see here, move along. (0)

mithran8 (186371) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965955)

I disagree... My install completed a few minutes ago, and it's definitely much snappier!

Re:Nothing to see here, move along. (2, Funny)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966425)

My install completed a few minutes ago, and it's definitely much snappier!

What are the units on that measurement? ;-)

Sigh, until the IEEE approves "snaps per second" we're all just going to have to rely on subjective values..

Spotlight WTF (3, Informative)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966633)

I disagree, my system is bogging heavily due to the fact that spotlight has decided to reindex my entire 2 terabyte filesystem.
Reports on macintouch corroborate this behavior.

Re:Spotlight WTF (3, Informative)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968503)

huh... as a temporary fix for others... go and edit your spotlight indexing preferences so that it does not index your entire 2TB filesystem (maybe some subset).

Go to Spotlight in System Prefs and click on Privacy... then add whatever folders you DON'T want indexed.

Why Slashdot fired Michael (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28965887)

January 31st, 2005, was the last day that Michael Sims, Nazi editor of Slashdot [blogspot.com] [blogspot.com], ever posted a story or indeed was ever heard from again. But what happened that day to Michael Sims? Did his embroilment in the Censorware.org conspiracy finally catch up with him? Or was he involved in a violent, and ultimately fatal, lovers' spat with his partner Jamie McCarthy? The truth, as we'll see, is much more perverse than fiction.

On New Year's Eve of 2004, the entire Slashdot staff was throwing a party to celebrate another year of Linux propaganda, homosexual recruitment, and the profits that their Microsoft ad banners had raked in for them. Eric Raymond, Emad, Roblimo, Hemos, Taco, Jamie, and Alan Cox all planned to rape Richard Stallman later in the night. Michael had shown up late, however, and was let in on the plans after they were made.

As it turned out, Jamie was to be leading the charge against the Free Software Foundation's founder and would be the first to penetrate Stallman's hairy unwashed ass. Michael, however, was jealous of this and made secret plans to thwart their nefarious venture of homosexual rape. The event was planned for zero hours, right as the ball dropped. But Michael had other ideas.

Michael suggested they all toast their plan with JÃgermeister, Eric Raymond's drink of choice that was in heavy supply that night, and the rest of the partygoers followed. While everyone downed their first shot, Michael slipped into the VA Software office's break-room, grabbing the syringe Raymond used to inject Rob Malda's semen with on the way. Michael leered at the case of JÃgermeister, needle in hand.

Minutes later, Michael reappeared in the conference room with more JÃger, ready for more shots. Over the next couple of hours they indulged in several drinking and party games, spurred on by Michael, as they drank bottle after bottle of the dark brown herbal liquor. If one were to pay special attention to Michael, however, they would note that Michael drank much less than anyone else and only from his own bottle.

Emad and Roblimo were involved in a powerful sixty-nine cheered on by Hemos and Alan whose bent geek penises throbbed near Emad's head and Roblimo's bloated ass, waiting for an opportunity. Moaning, Emad diverted his wet mouth from Roblimo's butthole and took down Hemos and Alan's cocks in quick succession. Hearing the wet, sloppy commotion behind him, Roblimo lost control and glunked all over Emad's chest.

Across the room near the podium, Eric Raymond was man-handling Rob, jamming a handgun down the back of his pants and asking him if he remembered their special night in Holland [blogspot.com] [blogspot.com]. Rob was giggling like a school girl and squirmed with all his might against the cold steel. Eric rained a shower of JÃger over Rob's head which Rob greedily tongued up even as Eric's skinny red penis entered his ass cheeks, probing for the brown prize.

The conference room was awash in gay cum and chaos, Michael noted happily as he surveyed the carnage around him. Emad had now teamed up with Alan and Hemos to rape Roblimo's ass as Rob was being pistol-whipped to orgasm by Eric, all oblivious to the massive amounts of Rohypnol they were ingesting as they drank the JÃgermeister Michael had given them. It wouldn't be much longer before the drug took effect.

Another half-hour into the night, Eric paused from raping Taco's mouth and sodomizing his anus with his Glock, short of breath. His head swam and he looked at his bottle of JÃgermeister. I can usually down six of these babies, thought Eric, wondering why he was now farting uncontrollably. Rob's nose wrinkled as Eric's rectum expelled another gallon of aerosolized feces into the air. Stooping, Eric held on to the podium for support.

Across the way, Emad pulled his tiny Iranian dick out from between Alan and Hemos's in Roblimo's ass and doubled over. Alan and Hemos continued pounding Roblimo's purple, swollen anus even as Emad began vomiting all over their cocks, thinking it a move on Emad's part to spice things up. Roblimo passed out again for the fourth time that night, but as Hemos slapped him, he failed to wake up.

With Emad vomiting even more violently now, Hemos wondered what was going on. He held a hand to his head as he began forgetting why he was balls-deep in some old man's ass. Alan began hiccuping, which led to uneven strokes and finally a quick orgasm which was quickly washed away by more of Emad's vomit. Nausea rose in Alan's throat as the scents of semen, man-ass, sweat, and vomit overcame him.

Michael was smiling from the corner chair at the table when the telecom beeped. He quickly left the conference room and headed toward the VA Software compound's front doors to let RMS in. As he rounded the last corner, however, Michael almost dropped his bottle of untainted JÃger when he saw that Stallman was not alone. Standing next to him was the CEO of VA Software, Larry Augustin.

His mind racing a thousand miles a minute, Michael feigned a security malfunction when he tried to open the door, leaving Stallman and Augustin stranded outside in the cold. Waving Michael off, Larry Augustin was about to get a slim-jim when he stopped, staring, right behind Michael. There, crawling on the ground, was Rob Malda in his familiar green-and-white plaid shirt, covered in chunks of semen, blood, and feces.

Rob Malda looked up at Augustin and feebly reached out to him before vomiting on the cold tile floor and passing out with a squish in his own sick. Larry and Richard's faces were masks of horror and disgust, and they wasted no time in forcing open the doors. Larry disabled the alarms while Richard checked Rob's pulse. As Richard loosened Rob's collar, Larry turned to Michae, gglaring, and shouted, "What the Hell happened here tonight?"

The conference room was a mess. Feces covered the wall and in some places even the ceiling. The carpet was soaked with blood, semen, diarrhea, and vomit in a stew so unimaginable that the room was later bulldozed instead of being professionally cleaned. On the dry erase board, someone had gotten creative and drawn erect, ejaculating penises in their own poo. And behind the podium lay Eric Raymond, sleeping fitfully.

At the other end of the room, Emad was curled into fetal position surrounded by a lake of vomit and curdling shit, both trailing from his soiled form nothing new [blogspot.com] [blogspot.com] to him. Hemos and Alan laid moaning next to one another, limp dicks in one another's slimy hands. Behind them Roblimo's morose form breathed shallowly, ass in the air where he had passed out earlier. He farted in his sleep as Larry Augustin looked on, mouth agape.

Next week, Larry Augustin held a special meeting with the Slashdot staff. Emad, Jamie, Roblimo, Rob, and Hemos all seated themselves and the meeting began. Eric Raymond also showed, though everyone there seemed a little perplexed. Their party had gotten messy but no one remembered how. Eric wanted especially hard to remember, he thought as he patted his stomach, which still gurgled painfully.

Early in the wee hours of January 1st, 2005, Larry watched as sickened paramedics loaded VA employee after VA employee into the backs of ambulances and raced them to the hospital. They were treated for dehydration and were all given stomach pumps, enemas, and several rounds of antibiotics. They were also tested for drugs and the results were more than a little surprising. Michael, however, had been the only one to test negative.

Hour after hour went by in the VA board-room as each one of the partygoer related their experience. Roblimo, now wheelchair-bound, took the mic and shared his experience that mirrored everyone else's: After his first few toasts of JÃgermeister, he remembered nothing save waking up a day later in the hospital, tubes and wires trailing from his bruised body. Roblimo was suffering from a rectal prolapse.

It was decided by a unanimous vote that Michael Sims was to be fired with due haste, as he had drugged the entire Slashdot staff in an attempt to rape them. Unfortunately, due haste took about three-and-a-half weeks so the shareholders could approve the move. Their reaction to the story removed any doubt about Michael's fate and the motion was carried unanimously. Michael was terminated January 31st, 2005.

So now you know why Michael Sims hasn't posted any new stories to Slashdot since January. Let it be a warning to you, gentle reader, of what evil lurks in the hearts of psychotic Linux zealots and Nazi propagandists. Since then the boys at Slashdot have been able to laugh it off, but consider their depraved anus-games. You might not be so lucky were Michael Sims to happen to you. You have been warned.

IñtÃrnÃtiÃnÃliz (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28965937)

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Bad Summary... sigh (4, Informative)

RedK (112790) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965943)

Why link only the 750 MB Combo update ? People who already have 10.5.7 don't need it, they can just get the 275 MB Update : http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10_5_8_Update [apple.com]

Re:Bad Summary... sigh (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 5 years ago | (#28965999)

It's also available through software update, which is only 168MB depending on your machine.

Re:Bad Summary... sigh (0)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966373)

Indeed, I am installing that now. 165 MB is pretty good as far as Mac updates are concerned. Maybe they stole Google's new updating technology?

Re:Bad Summary... sigh (5, Informative)

king wilson (252680) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966379)

I would really recommend that everyone use the Combo updater, whether you need it or not....

    Every time Apple releases an update, there are a bunch of small problems that occur to a minority of users, that are fixed by re-applying the Combo updater.

    This has been standard procedure among Mac Techs for a number of years.

Re:Bad Summary... sigh (1)

RedK (112790) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968037)

I applied the 275 MB update (I have a few Macs here, so SU was a bad idea and my bandwidth is metered, no way I'm wasting 3/4 of a gig on updates). Everything went without a itch. They all were 10.5.7, fully updated to begin with.

Re:Bad Summary... sigh (5, Funny)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966617)

C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO UPDATER

Last Updates - Hardly (5, Informative)

Hungus (585181) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966043)

Sure it is likely the last major update BEFORE Snow Leopard but it is certainly not the last update for leopard.

Also to the person who asked why link to the combo update as opposed to the smaller incremental: In my personal deployment experience the combo updates are much less likely to cause any problems when updating.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (2, Interesting)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966235)

Mod Parent +1 This is certainly true about incremental updates. When you get the choice/ have the bandwidth always go with the combo. Incrementals are quite often trouble. The best rule of thumb is, the older the current install the more likely something will get hosed by going with the small updates.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28967097)

So why is that anyway? No, seriously -- I haven't touched Mac since 8.5: I don't know. It strikes me as really odd that Apple OS updates can hose Apple's closed hardware, yet it's fairly regular that someone remarks the latest upgrade is giving them grief. Can one of our Mac folk explain what's going on there?

(Disclaimer: I don't mind Macs -- It's pretty hardware, people really seem to like them, and I like that there's a choice other than MS and Linux.)

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967277)

they had one bad experience, the combo update 'saved' them and now its combo only.
the only thing you should have to do is repair permissions, a click and a few mins wait in Disk Utility.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967631)

I use the term hosed liberally. It rarely causes the Mac not to boot, but can lead to instability ect. I think this happens if some third party SW alters something in the system that the non-combo doesn't have the files to fix/replace. A combo is much more like a fresh install.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28967993)

Ah! So it's like dependency hell then? --A third-party SW messes a library or equiv, and combo packs are more likely to have a new version of said library or equiv, than non-combo upgrades?

If that's about right, then this would finally make sense. Thank you -- it's a small thing, but the mystery was starting to bug me.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966313)

I'm waiting on this one. The "final" updates of both 10.4 and 10.3 both caused me serious issues and headaches.

Sometimes I think it's a conspiracy to get me to upgrade to the new boxed OS.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

Hungus (585181) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966385)

True, but at least this next Box is cheap. The family packs are running under $10 a machine or $29 singly on amazon right now. What I am not looking forward to is upgrading my server, that always hurts my wallet, but this time its $499 for unlimited.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966559)

...That is assuming you are running an Intel CPU. A lot of people are running PPC systems and they run Leopard pretty well with enough RAM.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966841)

...That is assuming you are running an Intel CPU. A lot of people are running PPC systems and they run Leopard pretty well with enough RAM.

and guess what my trollish friend? they'll continue to run Leopard pretty well, well after the release of snow leopard. there's no secret timebomb or killswitch that's going to stop you using your legacy mac (ffs, they havent sold ppc for 3 years now) for years to come.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966975)

You can use it, but you can't actually -do- anything with it. Pretty soon Apple will stop releasing iTunes for it, and require newer iPods to have a newer version of iTunes, then eventually due to the unstable API, soon you won't have a usable browser, etc

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

radicimo (33693) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967353)

| You can use it, but you can't actually -do- anything with it

A dual G5 tower with max out RAM and video will run 10.5.x and FCPv6 just fine, and can capture, edit, and render HD via Decklink and eSATA RAID or similar and drive multiple monitors. But that's not anything anyone would want to do with a computer, I suppose. It might be a bit slow, but can get the job done.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967503)

But the problem isn't really the hardware, even a G3 is a decent enough CPU, it is the fact that OS X won't work on some hardware, eventually because of the unstable API programs will quit working, leading to a system that can't do much. And due to the fact that most software that is used on Macs come from Apple or Adobe, there is little incentive to re-make programs for older systems or keep existing systems up to date.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28969161)

so basically you're having a whinge that you want the latest and the greatest without having to buy suitable hardware for it? cry me a fucking river.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28969069)

Snow Leopard is Intel-only.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967049)

I just don't like the fact that this has become a trend. I have a Powerbook G4 that I plan to use for many, many years to come, and I don't wish to have to reinstall 10.5.3 (or whatever my media is) and do the upgrade dance again.

If Steve Jobs screws me again like this I will consider writing him another nasty letter.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966397)

Well, you're not supposed to use the "final" update with the "tinfoil hat" update.

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966909)

I don't know of any 10.4.11 major issues. 10.3.9 causes IMAP problems in mail though, I do remember that. Had to revert a system back to 10.3.8 after an SOP update blew up their email fetch.

What were the issues you ran into witih 10.4.11/10.3.9?

Re:Last Updates - Hardly (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967155)

Instability with my Firewire devices, as well as tremendously higher idle usage.

BIND vulnerability not fixed? (4, Interesting)

HSpirit (519997) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966053)

I can't see any reference to the latest BIND vulnerability [cert.org] being fixed by Apple in the Mac OS X Server. It's vulnerable [cert.org] and has been fixed by other [cert.org] vendors [freebsd.org] so why not?

Re:BIND vulnerability not fixed? (1)

Itsik (191227) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966225)

I doubt this patch actually warrants the version number, 1.5.8. IMHO it's just a tie over until the release of Snow Leopard.

Re:BIND vulnerability not fixed? (2, Informative)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966585)

I'm not sure if Apple has any specific meaning to their Major.Minor.Maintenance(.Build) that you might be referring to, but this to me certainly seems worthy of a 0.0.1 (10.5.7 to 10.5.8)... It doesn't add any significant new features (as a 0.1.0 would/should), basically just bug fixes and tweaks. What would you suggest? 10.5.7.5.xxxx?

Re:BIND vulnerability not fixed? (1)

moon3 (1530265) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966357)

So much money, so little motivation..

Macs are blessed against bugs, faults or viruses anyway.

Security fixes? (-1, Flamebait)

Runefox (905204) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966101)

But I thought the Almighty Apple was impervious to security flaws? Isn't that what Father Jobs has been telling us?

Isn't it?

Re:Security fixes? (0)

stephentyrone (664894) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966141)

Isn't it?

Not really, no.

Re:Security fixes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28967203)

Are you really stupid enough to believe that or are you just being a stupid prick for no good reason?

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One must wonder, (4, Interesting)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966213)

if Leopard will have a long support life since it is the final revision to support Power PC. As an owner of a a few G5's I sure hope so.

Re:One must wonder, (4, Informative)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966609)

I'd expect it to be like any other OS X release: Full support as long as it's the leading version, followed by limited support (just security updates) when it's the previous version, and finally all support is dropped when it's two versions back. So its support life would be as long as 10.6 is the leading version.

Re:One must wonder, (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966631)

But Apple has been known to release updates simply to kill older hardware (look at OS 8.5).

Re:One must wonder, (3, Informative)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967457)

If anything, it'll have a shorter lifecycle than previous versions, I think.

Why? Because you already have both 10.5 and a PPC. You don't have the latest, greatest Apple product, so you will not be giving them any more money.

The crazy thing about Macs is that, once Apple stops offering support/releases a new OS, you can rarely find applications - even the ones you'd used previosuly on the same OS - for them. Companies upgrade their products to -only- support the new system. A year ago I was looking for some software (any software, really) for a 10.4 machine. Guess what? Most downloadable/free stuff was Universal Binary only, and very few commercial products supported 10.4. Why? It's not that old.

Re:One must wonder, (3, Informative)

buysse (5473) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967629)

Because CoreData and the other improvements to the API and Xcode are useful. If y'all are programming for free, or nearly free (shareware), there's not much incentive to use older tools.

Re:One must wonder, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28968029)

Still, I find it ironic that Apple's latest hardware won't talk to a Mac running a version of OSX more than a couple years old, yet it works just fine with a Windows box running a 10-year-old version of Windows (XP).

dom

Re:One must wonder, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28968019)

I wouldn't worry about support life but more whether 3rd parties will offer compatible apps. As a PPC-owner, there were so many new apps that were not universal binaries, it spurred me to get an Intel Mac mini next to my tower.

forced Safari update? (1)

keiofh (1223410) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966275)

I don't understand why they need to force their customers to update to Safari 4, i'm sure a lot of people like safari 3 just fine,

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966489)

I don't understand why Microsoft forces their customers to update to Internet Explorer 7, I'm sure a lot of people like Internet Explorer 6 just fine.

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966605)

I honestly always found that a bit strange myself. I -wanted- to keep IE 6 on my box simply to test code (and the fact that IE 7 is/was awful).

Re:forced Safari update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966649)

Yeah I agree, I liked IE4 just fine, then when i got the latest operating system microsoft forced me to upgrade IE, what a bunch of jerks.

Re:forced Safari update? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966991)

I don't understand why Microsoft forces their customers to update to Internet Explorer 7, I'm sure a lot of people like Internet Explorer 6 just fine.

Remember Kids, Microsoft doing something is a perfectly good explanation for Apple doing exactly the same thing.

Seriously, why the fuck bring up MS's in this thread? Flamebait.

Re:forced Safari update? (2, Funny)

Savior_on_a_Stick (971781) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966575)

IE on OS X FTW!

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966849)

Firefox's constant bitching about updating and what version I run is WAY more annoying than anything Microsoft or Apple do on my systems.

Re:forced Safari update? (2, Funny)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967063)

Edit...Preferences...Advanced...Update...
The radio buttons are self explanatory.

"So easy a caveman can do it"

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967337)

I use Opera. A lot of Firefox users argument against Opera comes down to "I don't want my browser to do everything Opera does". But guess what, I don't want to have to tell my browser to be user friendly. I just want it to be user friendly. Between all the work on my computer I don't take the time to go through all the configuration options on everything. I just can't.

Thanks for the information, I've fixed it now. But as I recall, you have the same options for both Apple and Mixrosoft updates, so I fail to see how this impacts the point I made.

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968421)

Your point was, that updates were annoying you.. I pointed you into the direction of eliminating that annoyance.. I should also point out to you, that there is a reason behind the updates.. they fix bugs and security issues... Here is the ironic part.. You see there are users who can't be bothered to take time to go through all the configuration options, they just can't.. so to protect them, they have it set to update automatically by default.

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968995)

Firefox's constant bitching about updating and what version I run is WAY more annoying than anything Microsoft or Apple do on my systems.

Yes, the bitching is bad, but I run it because I can count on it to be standards compliant. That in itself beats the hell out of any whiz-bang you get with Safari.

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

radicimo (33693) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967385)

Use Pacifist and extract Safari3 from your install disk. It'll install alongside Safari 4. I know because my employer *ahem* advised us not to run Safari v.4 when it was first released, but I didn't catch the email until after I ran a full set of updates upon return from a week's absence.

Re:forced Safari update? (1)

geekboybt (866398) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967567)

Or just download it from here - the guy has bundled the proper version of WebKit inside the application. If you haven't done that (I'm not aware of how Pacifist works) you're actually just using the new version of WebKit inside the old application. http://michelf.com/projects/multi-safari/ [michelf.com]

Wow.... (-1, Troll)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966511)

... this is 'news'....

THIS JUST IN! THERE'S A NEW VERSION TO WINAMP! GET IT NOW! ... mod me troll, fanboy... you still know this isn't newsworthy.

to the people tagging it "bye-bye PPC" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28966735)

Steve told the man himself. [flickr.com] (click "all sizes" upper-left). It will remain "splendid" for a "long time to come". It's been 3 yrs, 5 months. As far as I figure, you never really own a Mac. If you bought one for $2800 3yrs 5months ago (41 months) that is just $68/month. That's nothing. Not even half of a milkshake -- I mean coffee per day. So, if you only paid $2800 at that date, it is as though you've been renting it for 3.5 years at $68/month and just stopped. Well, if I stopped renting something, I would not expect to be able to keep it, so you are lucky to have your PPC macs at all, including any new OS updates Apple has GRACIOUSLY allowed to put on your RENTED hardware. I would stop whining and send the mac back to Steve to recycle into magic, and just go on "renting" another 17-inch beauty [apple.com] starting at $2499. What-do-you-know, they even say "as low as $57.00 a month". Though at that rate um, the, uh, term might be longer than I calculated. :/

Re:to the people tagging it "bye-bye PPC" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28967123)

What poor fool would buy a high-end work station on credit.

Safari Scrolling Issues (3, Interesting)

xrayspx (13127) | more than 5 years ago | (#28966779)

Anyone have any word on the Safari scrolling bugs? It's been a problem since 4.0 (but not with the betas), described and [apple.com] there [youtube.com] .

I'll install it, but this takes a day or so to manifest usually. I didn't see anything jump out in the patch notes, but they're kind of sparse on the details anyway.

Scary-sounding and luckily fixed (1)

mattr (78516) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967161)

Surprised at the lack of comments, considering the patches cover arbitrary code execution due to many vulnerabilities that even arise when reading png images or xml files!

Luckily there seem to be more talented security researchers and programmers who like the Mac than there are crackers who find it worth the effort.

I still want a mac though!

Re:Scary-sounding and luckily fixed (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968345)

Luckily there seem to be more talented security researchers and programmers who like the Mac than there are crackers who find it worth the effort.

*gasps* There's two of them now?!

Wow, that was fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28967187)

10.5.7 was released just barely 2 months ago. I can't remember seeing a full point release within such a short period of time.

What's the deal? Is there something really important with this release that warrants a version update?

Re:Wow, that was fast (2, Informative)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967309)

"Multiple Image Handling Vulnerabilities. ImageIO and Image RAW are both OS X components that help the operating system handle images. Both components suffer from vulnerabilities involving the way they handle various types of images (Canon RAW, OpenEXR, PNG, etc). Though the vulnerabilities differ technically, they share a very similar scope and impact. If an attacker can get a victim to view a specially crafted image (perhaps hosted on a malicious website), he could exploit this flaw to either crash an application or to execute attack code on the victim's computer." was posted on this Australian telco forum http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1256354&p=1 [whirlpool.net.au]

Re:Wow, that was fast (1)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | more than 5 years ago | (#28968901)

Amongst everything else, the fact that tens of thousands, at the least, of users are unable to use their displays at anywhere near their target resolutions, ever since 10.5.7 was released. I'm amazed that there has not been greater uproar. Bless the RDF.

Yeah! Mac OxH (1)

nanospook (521118) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967597)

Oh boy oh boy can I run it on linux? huh? :)

All those "arbitrary code exection" bugs? (-1, Troll)

themeparkphoto (1049810) | more than 5 years ago | (#28967943)

BUT! BUT! Apple told me that their system was secure by design! That it's IMPOSSIBLE to do things like that on Mac OS X! What about all those annoying, lisping people at the Mac stores who waddle around saying "We don't need virus protection!" I thought Mac was supposed to be immune to these problems because of the fundamental design. Does this mean people have LIED to me?
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