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Bing Search Tainted By Pro-Microsoft Results

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the first-be-evil dept.

Microsoft 582

bdcny7927 writes "Just as Bing is gaining popularity, some disturbingly pro-Microsoft and anti-Apple search results are rearing their ugly heads. Case in point: a search on Bing for the phrase, 'Why is Windows so expensive?' returned this as the top link: 'Why are Macs so expensive.' That's right. You're not hallucinating."

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And? (5, Insightful)

Gandalf_Greyhame (44144) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971759)

Surprised, why?

Re:And? (2, Funny)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971795)

No but haha nonetheless.

Re:And? (5, Interesting)

siloko (1133863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972009)

And even funnier - search for "Why is Microsoft Windows so expensive?" [bing.com] and the fifth result is a slashdot article entitled: "Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?"!

Re:And? (-1, Troll)

Jurily (900488) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971853)

Does Google advertise Internet Explorer on Youtube?

Re:And? (2, Informative)

Bat Country (829565) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972163)

Why would you advertise Internet Explorer anywhere? It's a broken piece of shit, and if you were able to run Internet Explorer, you'd already have it as it's pre-installed.

Re:And? (5, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972173)

Advertising and skewing search results are two VERY different things. Altering search results to your corporate whims makes your search engine useless IMHO, and the opinions of a lot of other people. That's what made Google so popular initially, their blind algorithm gave the 'best' results regardless of source or view.

Re:And? (4, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972225)

Does Google advertise Internet Explorer on Youtube?

Either you're horribly offtopic or you're trying to imply that MS has a right to secretly manipulate search results in their favor (and not in the users favor such as e.g. prioritizing results from the country of which the user resides, google.es provides more spanish results and google.se provides more swedish results). If the latter then your question is irrelevant since this is not about advertisement at all. So either way you fail horribly.

Re:And? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971859)

Is Twitter dead for anyone else?
if so... Fuck yeah!

Re:And? (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971933)

I am SHOCKED AND CHAGRINED SIR! HARRUMPH!

(I AM YELLING, you stupid filter. Get it straight. *sigh* Thanks a lot, Biff.)

Re:And? (5, Insightful)

Eevee (535658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971943)

The surprise isn't that Microsoft is doing it, but rather that cio.com is the one calling them on it--a site aimed at upper management. This isn't fanboy-complaining, but business-complaining, something that will hit acceptance of Bing in the corporate environment.

Re:And? (2, Interesting)

siloko (1133863) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971945)

No not surprised but it is funny that they think this even helps their cause even slightly. It's as though they think if someone is searching for that specific term then not returning results related to it will make them think - 'O windows can't be so expensive because the interweb says so!'

Re:And? (5, Interesting)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971963)

Surprised, why?

Surprised it took them this long, perhaps.

Microsoft always do this with search engines. They seem to start from the assumption that any query represents a user problem, for which there exists a Microsoft based solution. Looked at that way, a search engine becomes an exercise in derailing the users interest, and redirecting into more profitable channels.

It never seems to occur to them that people might be genuinely interested in results that reflect what they actually want.

And then they wonder why all their search engines fail.

Re:And? (4, Funny)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972015)

The real WTF is: why this story wasn't posted by kdawson?

So what, it's MS's service... (4, Informative)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971787)

...are you really surprised [chicagostyleseo.com] ?

Re:So what, it's MS's service... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972195)

They might at least tell the truth.
For example:
Query: "Is Microsoft Evil?"
Search Result: "Yes. Next Query, please?"

Don't be Evil (2, Funny)

PeteLarson (1557871) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971789)

Shocking.
It seems that Don't be Evil is not the corporate motto of Microsoft.

It makes you appreciate google, despite their mildly objectionable data collection/profiling.

Re:Don't be Evil (1)

Random_Goblin (781985) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972059)

yes of course google is much better,...

oh no wait it returns the same 'Why are Macs so expensive.' That's right. You're not hallucinating." article as the 7th link instead of the top

incidently when i tried on bing it was the 3rd result

while there may be many reasons to hate bing, this story is really ;
man doesn't put search in quotes, doesn't get results he was expecting!

the failure is on the part of the user, not the search engine

Not on my bing (3, Informative)

multisync (218450) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971801)

Search string: "Why is Windows so expensive?"

Results:

*
            Microsoft to offer Family Pack for Windows 7 Home Premium | TalkBack ...

            If so don't PC users ask WHY is Windows so expensive? Cheapest upgrade for Win 7 is 50 and that's temporarily for early adopters (119 later) Snow Leopard is only 29 for all Leopard ...
                    o talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=66314&messageID=1250260
                    o Cached page
        *
            MacNN | Acer: Home Premium is the real Vista

            "Hmmm, I'll have to think about that... Why is Windows so expensive?" "That's the Microsoft tax." "Doesn't e v e r y b o d y use Windows?" "Not anymore."
                    o www.macnn.com/articles/06/10/27/acer.on.windows.vista
                    o Cached page
        *
            Do you need more than Windows 7 Home Premium? | TalkBack on ZDNet

            If so don't PC users ask WHY is Windows so expensive? Cheapest upgrade for Win 7 is 50 and that's temporarily for early adopters (119 later) Snow Leopard is only 29 for all Leopard ...
                    o talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=66219&messageID=1249894
                    o Cached page
        *
            Rittman Mead Consulting Blog Archive Virtually there

            I suppose the next thing is to build a Windows VM for the stuff that needs Microsoft Windows (OBI SE-ONE, for example) - but why is Windows so expensive to license?
                    o www.rittmanmead.com/2007/11/21/virtually-there
                    o Cached page
        *
            PC World Community: Hollywood's Victory Over The Pirate Bay ...

            Why is Windows so expensive to buy in a box, when Dell can buy it in bulk for a couple dollars? How much money does Bill Gates need? What is fair trade?
                    o forums.pcworld.com/message/209250
                    o Cached page
        *
            PC World Community: Windows XP User: I'm No Thief ...

            At least I think it is. Why is windows so expensive in the first place? They're totally ripping us off!!
                    o forums.pcworld.com/thread/60075?start=30&tstart=0
                    o Cached page
        *
            ffextensionguru.wordpress.com - Traffic Details from Alexa

            why is windows so expensive; new tab homepage; guru blog; the book of mozilla; mozilla weekly; ie 8 windows update; primo pdf; tabs open relative; flash player updates
                    o www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ffextensionguru.wordpress.com
                    o Cached page
        *
            Electronista | Acer: Vista forces Windows price hike

            "Hmmm, I'll have to think about that... Why is Windows so expensive?" "That's the Microsoft tax." "Doesn't e v e r y b o d y use Windows?" "Not anymore."
                    o www.electronista.com/articles/06/10/27/acer.and.vista.price.hike
                    o Cached page
        *
            AOL anti-trust suit against MS - Topic Powered by Eve For Enterprise ... Windows (no MSIE, no MS WMP, no MS DirectX, no MS IIS, no MS MSN, etc.), and ideally it would be cheaper (I know the mentioned products are "free," but why is Windows so expensive ...
                    o episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/48409524/m/1470969553/p/5
                    o Cached page
        *
            Key dates in Microsoft antitrust case ... to use their products by making you pay for the OS that is in the computer even if you don't need it... alternatives exist ... from Mac to linux ... and why is Windows so expensive
                    o digg.com/tech_news/Key_dates_in_Microsoft_antitrust_case?FC=PRCK3
                    o Cached page

Re:Not on my bing (4, Insightful)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971875)

But that would be because you put it in quotes? And the guy writing the article didn't.

Re:Not on my bing (3, Informative)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971919)

When I searched I got several things like "why are macbooks so expensive", "why are mac's [sic] so expensive" etc.

The article is correct. Bing is just the fox news of search engines. Surprise surprise.

Re:Not on my bing (-1, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972077)

>>>Bing is just the fox news of search engines. That's good! If Bing was the CNN or MSNBC of search engines, then virtually every search would lead to the National Socialists website. The CNN/NBC reporters love their "Big Daddy"* government, and their stories are all biased to the assumption we need more government. * *That's a Tennessee Williams reference.

Re:Not on my bing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972061)

It's a search engine. If you use it correctly you get the results you want. By placing quotes around text you are searching for that phrase in your results. If you leave the quotes out then the search engine will return results that are more frequently searched for with those keywords. So is it Microsoft's fault that more people search for why macs are expensive as opposed to why windows are expensive?

Google Spoiled Us (1)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971803)

At least google doesn't (accept money to) meddle with search results or allow companies to directly pay for higher ranking search results for certain queries. I guess that idea has been such a part of what made google so big early on, in addition to other things, that we blindly assume that unbiased results is a basic prerequisite for being a modern search engine. It is the something that separates real, genuine attempts at search engines and those domain squatters and malware redirected wannabe search engines.

Way to go Microsoft! Without you, we might forget what separates the Men from the Boys.

yeah, but.... (4, Informative)

da_matta (854422) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972003)

Except that putting that same query to Google will give this result in the first page:

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/why-are-macs-so-expensive--609128

Yes, but... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971811)

... why are Macs so expensive?

Re:Yes, but... (4, Funny)

HalifaxRage (640242) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971829)

Like gold, the price of brushed aluminium is at an all-time high.

Re:Yes, but... (2, Informative)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972071)

actually, like gold, it's scarcity (natural or artificial), combined with demand.

gold is a pretty useless metal outside of the electronics industry. even when a low reactivity metal is required, platinum is a lot more usefull. the thing with gold is that it's a beutifull metal. only gold, copper and cesium fall outside the white-many shades of grey-black color spectrum, but since copper oxidizes in an ugly brown color and cesium explodes in contact with moisture, gold is the only alternative when you want something colorfull and pretty to wear on your neck or wrist, this makes it desired and expensive.

Macs are the same thing. they stands out on look alone, and they keep their shine longer than other brands, this makes macs higly desirable. and since apple have a monopoly on macs, they become scarce, thus expensive.

i bought one to my mother some years ago. they're not so muche easier to use than windows or linux with KDE. all this "intuitiveveness" of Mac OS X is just apples reality distortion field at work. won't fall for that anymore, just like i don't buy golden bling.

Pff.. (1)

prayag (1252246) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971813)

No dude, Their search algorithm sucks.

What exactly did you expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971819)

Given the wealth and power involved, did you really expect them to respect fair play?

Sadly, the world seems completely corrupted by excessive concentrations of irresponsible powers.

Re:What exactly did you expect? (2, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972131)

Given the wealth and power involved, did you really expect them to respect fair play?

Google does. The only reason Microsoft can't is its long standing corporate greed; the same kind of greed that will have a monkey stick his hand in a jar for a treat, and since he won't let go of the treat and his fist won't fit through the jar's neck, he's stuck.

That's proably why (IMO, YMMV) their software sucks so badly. This is what I expected from bing and I'm surprised that anybody else was surprised.

I also wasn't surprised to find at work that although I have IE's default search set to Google, when I typed a URL without the HTTP:// it gave bing search results page instead of a Google search results page. Like the late Lilly Tomlin's telephone operator character said smugly back when AT&T was the only phone company, "We're the phone company. We don't have to!

I think it's pathetic.

Thats not surprising (1)

hicks107 (1286642) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971823)

Thats not surprising at all

OSS is expensive too (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971825)

my first result for the same phrase: http://blogs.technet.com/gerhardg/archive/2006/10/12/why-is-oss-commercial-software-so-expensive.aspx (I'm in Germany).

Re:OSS is expensive too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972191)

http://blogs.msdn.com/mikehall/archive/2006/10/04/Why-is-OSS-Commercial-Software-So-Expensive_3F00_-.aspx

Yeah it was a ways down on my list but OSS being expensive was on my list as well, also:
Macs
vinyl windows
fish
windows hosting providers

So that makes Bing and by association Yahoo worthless. Guess Google really does have a monopoly.

Boring Story (1, Insightful)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971827)

Google also puts "Why are Macs so expensive?" on the first page of its search, although the first 4 hits are for various Microsoft products including Windows and Office. Frankly, this is the standard sensationalist crap that Slashdot excels at now a days... Hey Slashdot, how about covering the fact that KDE 4.3 [kde.org] was just released today? Oh I forgot, this site is about nitpicking and hating everything Microsoft does, while still secretly using there software and never contributing anything of value to open-source.

Re:Boring Story (5, Informative)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971885)

Yes, the mac link appears under the google results. However, the other top google results are all about the Windows OS. The bing results has NO results about Windows OS on the first page.

Re:Boring Story (1)

adamstew (909658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972021)

The bing results also have 5 (I counted) results titled, in one way or another, "why are macs so expensive?" on the front page. Another 5 on the second page... and not one result about why windows is so expensive.

Re:Boring Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972091)

Well instead bing has "Why does Windows still suck ?" on the first page.
I would call this a fair trade.

Re:Boring Story (5, Informative)

Andr T. (1006215) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971971)

Hey Slashdot, how about covering the fact that KDE 4.3 [kde.org] was just released today?

Ops. [slashdot.org]

Re:Boring Story (5, Funny)

rilister (316428) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972213)

Maybe he's requesting a dupe?

Re:Boring Story (0, Flamebait)

CaptainNerdCave (982411) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971997)

just shut up, your lies aren't welcome here

have you ever used google?
i entered "why is windows so expensive?" into google, look what the first listing is:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=4lj&num=100&q=why+is+windows+so+expensive%3F&aq=f&oq=&aqi= [google.com]

knowing that others would check you, you should have posted as AC to avoid any potential bad karma

Re:Boring Story (-1, Troll)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972069)

Maybe you should have actually read my post instead of rabidly foaming at the mouth since I didn't automatically bash Microsoft. If you had read what I posted, I specifically said that the first 4 Google results were for why Microsoft software is so expensive, but additionally, that the link to an article on Macs was shown on the first page. Maybe it is you who should be posting AC since you don't even take the time to comprehend anything that might disagree with your hatred of anything from Microsoft. Let me guess, you've never actually made any contributions to open source software or done anything positive have you? It's much easier to hate anyone you disagree with, especially when you come to a site like Slashdot that rewards groupthink. My suggestion is that you go out and contribute something of value, it doesn't even have to be a huge coding project. I personally have reported a bunch of bugs to the KDE team that helped in a very small way to make KDE 4.3 a better release... what have you done?

Re:Boring Story (1)

ChinggisK (1133009) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972007)

I call BS. With Bing, I get 5 results on the first page talking about Macs being expensive, and NONE about Windows being expensive. With Google, I get 1 about Macs being expensive (also note it is the second to last one, not the first one), and 6 about Windows being expensive.

There is definitely something fishy going on here.

Re:Boring Story (1)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972029)

Google gives me links on why Windows and Microsoft Office are expensive.

Bing gives me links on why commercial opensource software is expensive, why gas is expensive and why Macs are expensive.

It feels like Google is trying to find answers to my question, and Bing is returning Microsoft webpages with similar phrases and word matches then other pages with word matches. Makes the Bing search algorithm seem pretty weak, reminds me of using Yahoo a decade or so ago.

Re:Boring Story (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972035)

6/10 Results are about macs
1/10 Results is about OSS being expensive
1/10 is about Fish being pricey
1/10 is about the cost of vinyl windows
1/10 is about the cost of windows hosting

Google on the other hand returns:
1/10 Results about macs
7/10 Results about windows and MS products
1/10 HDTV mounts are pricey
1/10 Vinyl windows

Thats a bit more than sensationalism imho.

Re:Boring Story (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972051)

I dunno.... It might be a bogus story, but so is the concept that Slashdot is here to cover any and all LINUX items of note.
Last I checked, this was supposed to be a tech news site. ("News for Nerds") It never said anywhere that it's about Linux news or promotion, directly. That's just a bias people decided the site had, long ago, when there seemed to be an abnormally large number of Linux or BSD related stories posted - and the comments left encouraged it.

Is this really news... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971833)

This is like saying the boss wont give you a raise if he doesn't have to....really...?
We all know what monster M$ can be, why bother giving us info on stuff we know they do anyways....
like force updates when we dont want them, force uploads of crap even if we say no to the upload...
they control the OS, so unless you go linux, you have no rights on your computer, no say in what goes in or out!

MS (1)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971835)

There was an article recently about how bing was using humans to better their search results. I think this was MS's excuse to provide pro-MS results.

Not so different from Google (0, Troll)

heffrey (229704) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971843)

Google doesn't really seem all that different. It just gets the Mac hate a bit lower down. And are we really going to deliver judgement on the basis of a single search? Doesn't seem very scientific to me!

Also, since when has Google been a paragon of independence in its searches? I seem to recall that searching for anything related to a Google product will return Google's product at or near the top.

Re:Not so different from Google (1)

ashtophoenix (929197) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971923)

BS. Google for the same exact search gives much more relevant results.

1. Why Windows Vista and Office 2007 are so Expensive  The Firefox ...
2. Is Windows getting more expensive? - CNET News
3. Windows 7 to be âoemore expensiveâ than Vista, XP
4. Writing on the Wall: Why Windows is so expensive
.
.

The above results would be useful to anyone genuinely interested in the expensive-ness of Windows.

Re:Not so different from Google (1)

TheFaithfulStone (1528753) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971967)

Of the ten results on Google, eight are about why WINDOWS is so expensive. Of the ten results on Bing, eight are about why MACs are so expensive. One result on each page is why vinyl windows are so expensive.

I seem to recall that searching for anything related to a Google product will return Google's product at or near the top.

That couldn't be because you searched for a Google product could it? If you do a search for "gmail sucks" the results are comparable, though.

Linux suggestions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971849)

It used to be that you could type in linux and the suggestions box would show a lot of MS related stuff, but apparently they "fixed" that now.

That's why.... (5, Insightful)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971871)

That's why I have often taken my car to repair shops that are nothing but repair shops, not gas stations or tire stores or whatever doing car repair on the side. They have to live on the basis of their car repairs, and they are likely to pay attention to that, and if they do bad repairs they will go out of business.

Similarly, Google lives by its search engine, and people at Google know it. There is nothing more important to Google than returning good search results, and if somebody else starts returning better ones Google is in deep trouble.

It won't take much for me to conclude that a search engine operated by somebody like Microsoft or Apple is biased. A biased search engine isn't going to get me the results I want (unless, I guess, I agree with the bias, but in that case I run the risk of learning nothing and simply being confirmed in my ignorance). If Microsoft wants me to use Bing, they're going to have to be extra careful to avoid the appearance of bias.

Re:That's why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971981)

Did anyone do this search like I did right as soon as I read it. Well the article says 'Why are Macs so expensive.' is the top link but I actually got something different but a little ways down I saw the that.

I got 'why so expensive?. - Games for Windows Live'

Re:That's why.... (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972193)

I did it. My top 10 results were

Why are Mac's So Expensive? - Yahoo! Answers
why so expensive?. - Games for Windows Live
Why are vinyl windows so expensive? who provides them cheapest ...
Why are windows hosting providers so expensive? - Community Server
Why are Macbooks so expensive? - Yahoo! Answers
WikiAnswers - Why are Apple Macs so expensive
Windows Embedded Blog : Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?
Why are Macs so expensive? - TechSpot Troubleshooting
Why are Macs so expensive?
Why fish is so expensive! - Windows Live

Bing 'gaining popularity' LOL Wut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972005)

150 million in buying positive press and paying for minimum wage drones to sit around in rooms posting fake "I'm a long time Google user and decided to give Bing a try and By Golly! I'm switching!" posts and all they managed to do was get their search marketshare up to distant second place Yahoo's for a day and now Microsoft's search has fallen right back down to where it was - a distant last place down around 8 percent.

Re:That's why.... (1, Insightful)

AceJohnny (253840) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972097)

Google lives by its search engine, and people at Google know it.

Actually, Google's main source of revenue is AdSense.

We generated 99% of our revenues in 2007 and 97% of our revenues in 2008 from our advertisers.

(from their 2008 annual report [google.com] )

Even though the most visible part of Google's activities is the search, I believe the corporate entity (maybe not the brand) would very well survive the demise of their search activity.

Keep that in mind.

Re:That's why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972175)

Haha, great sig.

Re:That's why.... (1)

lordandmaker (960504) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972231)

Similarly, Google lives by its search engine, and people at Google know it. There is nothing more important to Google than returning good search results, and if somebody else starts returning better ones Google is in deep trouble.

To stay at the top of a market, you only need stay as good as you are at it. To enter an industry so dominated by a single player, you need to do something substantially better than that leader to gain any traction. It would be foolish to make an attempt at gaining some meaningful proportion of market share without offering a product substantially better than the current leader.
You need something to encourage people to switch, whereas the leader only needs have no reason for people to leave.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that microsoft /have/ come to the market with a particularly good product. It's certainly decidedly lacking on the features that google has (and, admittedly, that not many people use). But the fact that Google lives by it's search engine isn't enough to convince me it's automatically going to do the job better than anyone else.
Depending on who you ask, Microsoft live by either their OS or their office suite, both of which have significant armies of detractors.

I lolled. (3, Interesting)

DaSniper (927430) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971877)

I seriously did. I actually went to bing and searched Why is Windows so expensive?. I Cannot believe the results but, you wanna know what I find even more hilarious... The fact that this post on /. just upped Bing's visitors over a thousand times more then they have ever gotten before.

Re:I lolled. (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972043)

What year do you think this is?

(Not News!) (1)

AutopsyReport (856852) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971887)

Try it yourself on Bing -- it is not the top result. About five down.

Now try on Google -- the "Why Are Macs So Expensive?" result is there on the first page.

Two different search engines, both returning the same result on the first page about Mac's being expensive. Slightly different order, hardly indicative of tampering, but definitive proof that Mac's are costly!

Re:(Not News!) (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971959)

I did try it. #1 and #2 on Bing were articles on "Why is Mac so expensive". The #1 hit on Bing, a techradar.com article, turned up #9 on Google. FWIW, Mac OS 10.5, Safari 4 browser. Maybe Bing is customising results...

Re:(Not News!) (1)

adamstew (909658) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972207)

type it in to bing without the quotes: why is windows so expensive?

the result "Why are Macs so expensive?" is the first result. There are 5 (out of 10) results on the first page related to Macs being so expensive. The windows results don't start until the 2nd page. There are only 2 on there. And there are another 3 on the second page that are still related to Macs being expensive.

Go to google and type the same thing: why is windows so expensive? (without the quotes) and the first result is about windows and office. 5 results (out of ten) actually about windows being expensive. There is ONE result about macs being expensive.

Type: why are macs so expensive? (without the quotes) in to bing and every result on the first page is actually relevant. Google does the same thing.

Mod entire article down (2, Interesting)

Stele (9443) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971895)

Is there a way to mod the entire article down? That would be a useful feature.

Re:Mod entire article down (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972085)

Vote it down in Firehose

Re:Mod entire article down (4, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972093)

Actually, yes. On the main page, click the minus sign next to the title. You can then pick why you don't like it.

Theoretically if enough people do it, we could kick it back off the front page. That seems unlikely in this case though.

It could get worse (1)

J-1000 (869558) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971897)

...if MS starts picking on the iPhone app store approval process.

Re:It could get worse (1)

J-1000 (869558) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971925)

I think I just missed the entire point of the story.

'Windows' occurs more on that page than 'macs' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971899)

See post title.

Microsoft is into lots of enterprises (3, Funny)

hey (83763) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971909)

For example Expedia. Perhaps travel queries are tainted too. And who knows what else.

NLP is dead. Long live NLP. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971929)

Why do people insist on typing search terms such as "Why is Windows so expensive?" into Internet search engines?

"Ask Jeeves" is dead. Long dead. Are these searches the deceased valet's legacy, somehow persisting like the grinning teeth of a decayed corpse?

Or is there some language instinct in people that can't quite be eradicated, even though a more sensible search would yield much better results?

My experience has been the opposite (1)

lordandmaker (960504) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971935)

It's by no means exhaustive, but I was saying to someone yesterday how refreshing it was searching for terms that probably should have come up with an MS product, but actually came up with what I was after instead.

I especially liked how searching for a postcode came up with a link to Streetmap as the first result, rather than MS's Multimap.

Same result is in top ten from Google (1)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971941)

Big non-story here... Bing is going to be influenced by a lot of factors, but the same search on Google turns up Bing's top result in it's top ten. I doubt there is any bias going on here... to program such a bias would be impossible (context detection is still difficult to determine, programatically), and skewing the data for specific searches would be impractical.

If we were talking single-word phrases, I might be convinced, but phrases push this conspiracy theory into implausibility.

Re:Same result is in top ten from Google (1)

smallshot (1202439) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972149)

search for "beta" on bing, google, and yahoo. Notice who's software shows up on the first page of results. If you don't want to look for yourself:

Bing: 2 results for MSN messenger
Google: 1 result for safari, 2 results for google chrome
Yahoo: 1 result for AOL, 1 for yahoo IM

Now, I admit that google users are probably more likely to be looking for google software (the same goes for bing and yahoo), and if everyone tracks their users, that could easily account for the bias. However, it is also possible certain key words are tweaked. It's not hard to add a bias to good results for one's company in their own search engine (by making use of key words and popular search queries).

Lame story... (1)

BuR4N (512430) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971951)

Stories like this is getting pretty lame, same entry is showing up on googles first page as well.

Other taints (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971961)

Slashdot is tainted for linux
Wikipedia is tainted by jewish admins pushing their POV.
Linux is tainted by fat geeks who cAN'T get laid
This post will be tainted with a downmod.

Why is Windows so buggy? (1)

netchaos (1579593) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971965)

But the results for the query 'Why is Windows so buggy? are right on target.

wm search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28971987)

no big surprise. the internet explorer browser on my wm6.1 phone would happily auto complete urls for any site except www.google.com. it would happily suggest all sorts of sites but would make you completely type the whole url for google

query "why windows sucks" (1)

kirthn (64001) | more than 5 years ago | (#28971995)

why windows sucks give at least more neutral responses :D

Re:query "why windows sucks" (3, Interesting)

ROBOKATZ (211768) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972109)

And "is windows expensive" returns just plain anti-Windows results. "why is windows expensive" (eliminating the 'so') returns more neutral responses. This is just a difference in the search algorithms. I wonder how many phrases were tried before the authors obtained suitably pro-MS results for their troll.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972001)

You have to add the word "fail" at the end. As in: "Why is windows so expensive? fail". Then it works just fine :)

Is Bing some kind of other Google? (3, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972037)

Why would I use another search engine when I can use Google?

I doubt this is on purpose. (2, Funny)

Emperor Skull (680972) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972055)

Because I just don't think MS has the technology to pull this off. Bing/ Live search just suck. I get better answers by asking my cat and she only responds with "meow" if my question has the word "treat" in it.

For comparison... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972079)

The top link on Bing for "Why is Windows so expensive? -mac" returns "Windows Embedded Blog : Why is OSS Commercial Software So Expensive?", "Tech-no-media: Mobile Bandwidth: why it is so expensive?", and "Why are custom window treatments so expensive?" Hey, that last one was close!

However, in fairness, it does return relevant links to the queries "Why does Windows suck?" and "Why does Microsoft suck?"

They're just giving preference to yahoo answers (3, Informative)

eison (56778) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972081)

It's not specifically pro-MS or anti-Apple. It's just that whatever their ranking algorithm is rates yahoo answers as a better source than other sites. Search engines have to weight sites somehow; if all sources of pages were equally good authorities, we'd all still be using altavista.

Some other interesting results... (2, Interesting)

motherpusbucket (1487695) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972087)

I conducted some other tests on Bing
'windows worse than osx' returned top results on how OSX is worse than Window$.
'windows worse than linux' returned a similar 'pro Window$' result.
'windows more vulnerable than linux' did the same
It is fairly blatently pro-M$ in M$ vs. OSx vs. Linux type searches.
Anyone surprised?

Re:Some other interesting results... (1)

Slothrup (73029) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972181)

When you search for words, you get hits with words. If you want to search for phrases, put the words in quotes. When I search for the phrase "Windows worse than OSX", I only get one hit on both Google and on Bing -- so it's no surprise that this single site isn't found in all of the hits for pages that contain each of the words "Windows" "worse" "than" "OSX"

Is Slashdot Biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972107)

Try 'is slashdot biased' on both. Microsoft must be worried about Slashdot's image as well.

Compare to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972121)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+is+google+so+evil%3F

Second result accuses MS of being evil.

Linux it also getting hammered. (1)

ekran (79740) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972133)

I tried searching for "Why is windows so expencive?" using firefox in Linux and got these results:

"Why I use Windows? | Windows Server 2008 and Microsoft virtualization ..."
"Why Windows Isn't Hell Or Why Linux Isn't Bliss, Part II > Comments"
"The Firefox 3.5 fiasco - Frans Bouma's blog"

at the 3 top. I think it's safe to say that I'll stay with Google.

Nothing New (1, Interesting)

Itninja (937614) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972139)

The same type of thing happens in MS Word. It recognizes 'XBox360' as a word, but if one types 'Playstation' it gets flagged as a misspelling. And don't even get me started on Wii.....

This is stupid.... (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972153)

If I google: why is google so bad

The first page it returns is "Google Wave: Why it's so good and enterprise software is so bad".

Where's the article on this? This is just inane Microsoft bashing that comes off as incredibly petty.

This just in... (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972161)

Different search engines produce different results. Footage at 11.

This story is pretty lame. Microsoft has been doing an ad campaign on how expensive Macs are. You can likely find lots of pages that mention it and Windows at the same time. The specific story mentioned also appears in a Google search for the same thing.

You remember back when "miserable failure" would return Whitehouse.gov as its first hit? I'm sure that was a conspiracy inside the search results too.

first result content (1)

IsaacD (1376213) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972165)

did any of you fanbois even bother to read the CONTENT of the first result?!?!

I am well and truely fed up with Windows and Microsofts global domiantion plans and want to return to mac

of course not, you're too fucking busy hating everything microsoft.

'windows vs. mac' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972171)

The first article is not biased in either direction. If windows was biased then would this be the number one entry to bias? When you make a proof by basing it on n=1 I disregard the statement. What do you expect, this is slashdot where everyone thinks intelligence is measured by how much you hate windows.

Synax differences (2, Informative)

Kadman (930831) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972189)

Using "Why is Windows so expensive?" in double quotes produces far different results than 'Why is Windows so expensive?' in single quotes in a Bing search. Using the double quote method produces some results that speak to Microsoft's OS being expensive.

Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28972199)

It's getting shitter by the minute

Who is more evil than satan himself (2, Funny)

chaffed (672859) | more than 5 years ago | (#28972229)

At least "Who is more evil than Satan himself" [bing.com] search provides accurate and timely information.

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