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The Mice That Didn't Make It

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the does-anything-beat-a-logitech-marble-mouse? dept.

Input Devices 202

Harry writes "For every blockbuster of the mouse world (such as Microsoft and Logitech's big sellers) there have been countless mice that flopped, or never made it to market. Mice shaped like pyramids; mice shaped like Mickey; mice that doubled as numeric keypads or phones. Even one that sat on your steering wheel. I've rounded up some evocative patent drawings on twenty notable examples."

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Not Reading It (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978043)

I'm not reading this article because it's on 20 different pages. STOP THAT SHIT.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978157)

I found it interesting, though it would have been a little easier in larger doses.

Re:Not Reading It (2, Funny)

christianT (604736) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979453)

What??? Larger chunks??? And lose out on ad impressions? NEVER!

1. Build Website
2. Sell ad space on it
3. Write Article
4. Split it into 90 pieces
5. Post article to said website
6. ???
7. Profit

Re:Not Reading It (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978265)

because clicking on the word "next" 20 times is too laborious? You, sir, need a better mouse.

Come to think of it, perhaps your current mouse is listed in the article...

Re:Not Reading It (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979179)

At 3 minutes to load each page, no-one is going to click through 20 times.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979609)

At 3 minutes to load each page, no-one is going to click through 20 times.

Well, the thing most people do if they don't want to wait is, open in a new tab! I saw 23 links along the bottom, one for each page (except the first), doesn't mean you can't middle-click them all and while they load, you read the first one.

Most browsers should handle 24 open tabs quite easily.

Re:Not Reading It (1, Informative)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978305)

I'm not reading this article because it's on 20 different pages. STOP THAT SHIT.

Seriously. There really needs to be some way to administer a small electric shock to both the submitter and the editor for things like this.

Re:Not Reading It (2, Insightful)

AlHunt (982887) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978427)

>There really needs to be some way to administer a small electric shock to both the submitter and the editor

Why "small"? I say give'em a Dr Emmett Brown 1.21 jiggowatt sized shock.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978771)

So just tie them to a cable, climb up and connect it to a clocktower, and wait for a storm? Too much work. Think Indiana Jones, where you simply shoot the guy and walk away, machete or not.

Re:Not Reading It (5, Funny)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978431)

Yes -- things like this have me working on perfecting the technology to deliver a punch to the face via TCP/IP.

Re:Not Reading It (5, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978655)

Meme error.
<Zybl0re> get up
<Zybl0re> get on up
<Zybl0re> get up
<Zybl0re> get on up
* nmp3bot dances :D-<
* nmp3bot dances :D|-<
* nmp3bot dances :D/-<
<[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet

Re:Not Reading It (2, Informative)

Afforess (1310263) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978675)

Go get autopager [mozilla.org] (for firefox). It solves that problem.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

d0rp (888607) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979091)

I just tried that add-on because it looked really cool, but I couldn't seem to get it to work. It claims it works with google, but it never loaded the next page. Is there some sort of trick that I am missing? (I even played with the settings, but that proved to be futile as well).

Re:Not Reading It (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979403)

It does not solve the problem. It works around it.
Unless it ahs an option to slap the developer in the back of the head.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979427)

Hey, I am designing a mouse to find and click 'next' to read long inane articles you insensitive clod!

Re:Not Reading It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978739)

I hate it too. But considering the current state of news media, if this kind of trick helps save a few people from getting laid off, I'm not gonna bother getting all pissy. I'd probably do the same.

Re:Not Reading It (0, Offtopic)

timothy (36799) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978937)

It's an annoying set-up, I agree. However, it's pretty neat information (for those of us obsessed w/ input devices) -- so, a dilemma. I'd enjoy seeing some sort of script / plug-in that would seek "next" links on such sites and string them together into one big vertical page, but I don't know of such a thing yet.

Any suggestions, other than "don't ever run links to sites with stories spread over more than one page," that might make this easier on everyone's eyeballs?

timothy

Re:Not Reading It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979017)

Then your input, good or bad, would have been useless anyways. Do better or complain elsewhere. STOP THAT SHIT.

(as if caps will make a difference)

Re:Not Reading It (2, Insightful)

Nicolay77 (258497) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979149)

I love to read in a lot of different media. I can enjoy reading a novel in a web browser without any problem at all. I have done it.

However, for every user like me there are thousands who cry: 'Wall of text!' everytime they encounter some text that's more than 10 lines long.

So, complain to these lazy users that can't read, instead of complaining to the webmasters. The webmasters are simply doing what the masses ask.

Also, the game.

Re:Not Reading It (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979169)

it will stop soon. Big ad companies are already changing their rankings from page impressions to unique users.

Re:Not Reading It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979623)

Some hate flash enabled websites, some hate 24 pages of the same article. Some people are never happy. Yes I'm trolling.

Well actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978055)

Don't forget to add the Novint Falcon!

Split article (3, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978067)

And it's split across 24 different pages. ... now where are all of the slashdotters who were arguing with me about ad-supported content last night? :)

Re:Split article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978189)

No kidding. I saw the first page then left immediately. I'm not clicking through all that crap, one 640x480 frame at a time.

Re:Split article (4)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978281)

Haha! And I got modded troll for saying 30 page articles are common and make me want to throttle someone. ;)

Re:Split article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979297)

While i wasn't there, i certainly don't support such things like this.
This is just plain abuse of page views.

Ad-supported content is fine* when done nicely, but this is just taking the fucking biscuit.

* for me.
I don't see why people hate it so much, i certainly love seeing ads if they are related to the actual content, as long as it isn't just tacked on for the sake of getting money.
Only people i block are GIF and Flash abusers.

Next.. Next.. Next... (4, Insightful)

rihkama (732472) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978073)

20 pages for 20 smallish pictures? Really? The site must be desperate for ad revenue.

Re:Next.. Next.. Next... (2, Interesting)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978185)

20 pages for 20 smallish pictures? Really? The site must be desperate for ad revenue.

AdBlock Plus claims it is actively blocking four scripts when I land on the first page, all of them from static.fmpub.net

Re:Next.. Next.. Next... (1)

Ohio Calvinist (895750) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978901)

It isn't just ad revenue, in some of these cases you can gather useful information as to "which" page in the series lost interest, which ones were linked to by third parties. This can also be done for performance in the case of large-ish images or for pages that scale well (or better) to mobile devices.

Not to say that any of these reasons of-necesity warrant this sort of design, but it isn't always simply revenue. My biggest complaint is where there is a complete lack of a "printer-friendly" option.

Next worst thing to lack (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979155)

My biggest complaint is where there is a complete lack of a "printer-friendly" option.

Do you also complain when a web site makes printer-friendly versions of its articles available at a low, low price per month?

He forgot one (4, Informative)

grub (11606) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978119)

Don't forget this one. [wikipedia.org] The only manufacturers' mouse which is usually replaced by a 3rd party one within minutes.

.

Re:He forgot one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978187)

You mean that was a mouse? I figured it was the footpedal!

Re:He forgot one (2, Interesting)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978225)

I assume you're talking about the hockey puck mouse [wikipedia.org] , rather than the ADB Mouse II that's pictured on the top of the page. The former was a disaster, of course; the latter was actually quite a good mouse and very pleasant to use.

Re:He forgot one (1, Flamebait)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978415)

No mouse with only one button is "good" or "pleasant to use".

Re:He forgot one (4, Insightful)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978603)

On a system designed with it in mind, yes it was. I'm possibly a rare individual who grew up starting with an Atari ST (two buttoned mice that were made out of bricks it seemed), moved on to a Mac (the famous ACB one button mouse), and then to the PC (cheap as shit multi-button mice).

While having more buttons in the Windows world was definately a must, back in the System 7 days and before, having one button was not an issue and given most PC mice in the day were made of plastic that felt as if it would shatter if sneezed at forcefully, having a mouse that had 'heft' meant I actually felt as if I had better control on those rare few games that were worth playing than I did on the PC games that came later.

Re:He forgot one (2, Interesting)

infalliable (1239578) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978443)

Yes, the most god awful mouse ever made and sold in "large" quantities. Why would you ever make a mouse that had no tactile feel to let you know which was was up, make it really light, and then put a really heavy cord on it so that the cord was always trying to make it rotate? Not to mention it was too small and just uncomfortable.

Re:He forgot one (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979529)

I assume you're talking about the hockey puck mouse [wikipedia.org] , rather than the ADB Mouse II that's pictured on the top of the page.

How's this [soothbrush.com] for a replacement?

I got one of those for free, but "painful" doesn't begin to describe it...

np: Orbital - Lush (Herve's Tree And Leaf Remix) (2Orbital (Disc 2))

CueCat missing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978121)

Guess it didn't count as a mouse...

Now is the time fob (0)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978199)

Does anybody know WTF "Now is the time fob" is supposed to mean on this one [technologizer.com] ?

Re:Now is the time fob (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978273)

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.
Also, the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

Re:Now is the time fob (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979113)

the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

Fixed that for you. That phrase is supposed to include all 26 letters of the English alphabet. Your version was missing the s.

Re:Now is the time fob (3, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978429)

the "b" was the typo he was fixing for the demonstration.

Re:Now is the time fob (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979329)

I wonder if that was going to be 'Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country'. I would be amused if it were - that happens to be the phrase I type whenever I'm testing a new (computer or cell phone) keyboard. I don't know why that phrase became my standard Keyboard Testing Phrase, but I've been using it since my early teens.

Re:Now is the time fob (2, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978749)

Typo.

s/B/R

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country." is a sentence that used to be used a lot in typesetting -- it's exactly 70 characters (including the period), the width of one standard line.

Note that the original quote was "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party", it was part of a typing exercise, not sure if it was originally a political quote...

Why yes, I do have recollection of random factoids from elementary school typing class, why do you ask?

Re:Now is the time fob (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979307)

It's a mouse which also serves as a model of the Time Cube and can be hung from a key chain.

I'll stick with my blue M&M mouse . . . (4, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978257)

Pyramid shaped rodents (1)

Falstaft (847466) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978695)

I neglected to see the "Hardware" tag for this article and immediately assumed the article was about freaks of biological science, the mice that were engineered into crazy shapes but that didn't get the positive press that the mouse-with-ear-on-back (http://meredith007.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mouse-human-ear.jpg) got. You know, rodents shaped like pyramids, steering wheels, trackball rats. Why, I once saw a mouse genetically engineered to have a little phosphorescent red light on its belly that lit up when ever someone dragged it along a flat surface.

Did one of them actually make it? (1)

lmpeters (892805) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978387)

Is it just me, or does the mouse on page 4 [technologizer.com] bear a striking resemblance to Logitech's current line-up of ergonomic mice?

Re:Did one of them actually make it? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978949)

I used to have a trackball mouse that also looked familiar. (90s) I think it was a logitech. Complete and utter POS. I got it figuring it would be better for graphics, but the lack of fine detailed control made it useless.

As much as I despise Microsoft, I still love their mice, in particular the 5 button versions, which are handy for throwing F and G grenades in Team Fortess Classic. (and yes, I still have a couple of servers for this 11 year old game...)

Article that didn't make it (3, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978401)

Spread across 24 pages and about as interesting as a dry dog turd. When you submit to slashdot and it gets rejected then some story about loser designs that didn't make it for good reason winds up as front page news it's quite an insult. What's the next article going to be about? Drug addicts that didn't make it to CEO of large tech companies? How about abacus designs that didn't sell? Not inane enough for you? Let's try pocket protector manufacturers that went broke.

Pocket Protectors (1)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978571)

Let's try pocket protector manufacturers that went broke.

We cannot allow such a travesty to occur. They are too big to fail.

Re:Article that didn't make it (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978879)

While the formatting sucked, the actual content was pretty good. Good quality images, simple text describing, to the point. I gave it a 5 star rating for the content.

As for being spread over 20+ pages, Tom's and everyone else has been doing this for years, albeit, not as drastically. Gaming sites are just as bad, or worse. I expect it. Fortunately, my mouse just clicked next a couple dozen times, no worry.

Perhaps the next article submitted and accepted by /. editors will simply have one paragraph per page (plus 4 banner ads and 3 seperate google adword text positions...)

Tut tut tut! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979039)

Remember the rules -- no grousing!

Re:Article that didn't make it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979595)

your sig is wrong... you need a || not a &&

Re:Article that didn't make it (1)

Prien715 (251944) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979677)

You could have provided the article in question you submitted along with your summary.

Otherwise, it just reads as bitter criticism.

Slow news day? (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978413)

For every blockbuster of the X world there have been countless X that flopped, or never made it to market.

No. Shit.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

jayme0227 (1558821) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978583)

That doesn't mean that it is not interesting to attempt to see the thought processes that went into the attempted creation of that one blockbuster. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of us are all curmudgeons.

Re:Slow news day? (2, Interesting)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978905)

The point here is the guy actually collected the images from the original patents, which took a little work (and a lot of weeding out). The concept wasn't original (and the formatting over many pages sucked) but the actual content was pretty good, and yes, interesting.

24 fucking pages for 20 mice? (3, Informative)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978441)

Fuck that shit in the ass. I refuse to read something in such a shit layout design for maximum ad views while ignoring a user's needs.

Seriously, 24 pages for 20 nice is a flipping joke.

Creative? (1)

OrangeMonkey11 (1553753) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978497)

these are some wacky ass design for mice the hand held trackball design, i have a small travel mice for my laptop a few years ago that can go on this list. It is very similar to this hand held trackball but on a small scale and shape like a tiny gun

Re:Creative? (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979265)

Do you know what the brand/product name is? My previous handheld trackball broke, partly because its design encouraged placing it on a desk in an unstable position, so I'm interested in alternative (and preferably cheaper) models.

The WebSite That Didn't Make It: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28978531)

is called Slashdot [slashdot.org] .

Hey, Timothy, it must be a slow news day. Why not
a story about AUTO Manufacturers that WON'T make it
( ie. Chrysler and General Motors)?

Yours In Communism,
Kilgore Trout

I wish this one made it... (2, Interesting)

Geak (790376) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978535)

I purchased a Logitech Trackman Marble FX a number of years ago for about $60. Logitech discontinued it a long time ago. Personally I think it's the best mouse I have ever used. When friends of mine use the computer though they don't like it. It does take getting used to but it's extremely comfortable. Great for first person shooters. Eventually playing Unreal Tournament killed the right mouse button. I went looking for a replacement online and found some on ebay priced at over $300. I guess I'm not the only one that thinks this mouse rocks, but I'm not about to fork over $300 for a mouse. To keep mine alive I took a button out of a $10 mouse and soldered it into the old one. Someday I hope Logitech will bring this design back in a wireless version. As a side note, I think console systems would be improved if the right analog joystick on the controller was replaced with a trackball. Aiming is next to impossible with a joystick.

Re:I wish this one made it... (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978717)

AMEN! I'm using one now. I have one on my main system at home. I have one sitting here not being used right now. I have one on the shelf, ready to replace any of those four. I LOVE my trackman marble.

There IS no mouse that could deal with the clutter of my desk. Moving from the bottom of the screen to the top requires PUSHING crap out of the way, and still it takes three or four pushes to get to the top.

Logitech, PLEASE start making these again!

Best mouse... (5, Interesting)

nscheffey (1158691) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978545)

....is not a mouse at all. It's the RollerMouse [mcergo.com] , which lets me mouse without taking my hands off the keyboard. I have used this for 10 years and continue to be amazed that its not the standard in computing.

Re:Best mouse... (1)

BabyDuckHat (1503839) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979073)

That's an interesting design. I'd love to try one. But that price would have to come way down for a purchase to happen.

Re:Best mouse... (1)

arclyte (961404) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979383)

I'm with you on that one... I used one of these at MacWorld a few years back and quickly fell in love with it. Asked the guy how much it was and just as quickly fell out of love with it...

WORST. MOUSE. EVER. (3, Interesting)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978761)

The pear-shaped, ridged piece of garbage that came with Packard Bells in the 1990s. I know you're surprised-- Packard-Bell made crappy hardware? But instead of durable grey rubber like most decent mice of the time, the ball on this thing was made of some porous black fake-rubber product that disintegrated in about a month on the display model. It's hard to demo a product when it just came out last month and the customers can see the mouse is already broken.

Sorry, Harry (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978819)

I took one look at the front page, realized that you created 24 pages to show 20 slides, understood that your main point here was maximizing ad revenue, and closed the tab.

Re:Sorry, Harry (1)

BabyDuckHat (1503839) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979191)

So, the ROI and Ad spend decreased despite content integration and sponsored recommendations. Perhaps if we incentivize the inclusion of web-facing strategy indicators? Hold on, the webinar about how to get people to punch the monkey is starting...

is it just me? (1)

Khashishi (775369) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978909)

I find myself really wanting one of those number pad mice.

Re:is it just me? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979061)

Then buy one [monstermarketplace.com] for $30. That was just the first I found, I bet there are others. And 30 bucks aint bad for any optical mouse. It doesn't even require special drivers. Not a bad idea for a laptop, actually.

Witty Mouse (1)

fnord_uk (842775) | more than 4 years ago | (#28978953)

The mouse I got with my 386DX40 was called a Witty Mouse. I think it was rhyming slang though. Sometimes the cursor would move by itself - it was very erratic, but then work normally for a while the next day. Eventually i discovered that the translucent plastic case was a little too transparent - it was my angle-poise lamp shining through the mouse body and affecting the sensor. It worked fine after I painted it ;-)

fnord

Technologizer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979099)

Why do articles from Technologizer keep getting posted? They're almsot always awful and spread across 30 pages with 10000 ads per page.

Re:Technologizer (0, Offtopic)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979127)

Now now, come on. There were barely 10000 ads over the entire 24 pages. I think you are exagerating just a bit.

Mouse with joystick (1)

TheTick21 (143167) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979341)

I've always wanted a mouse with a joystick where the thumb goes for gaming. Why waste 4 keys when your thumb would be plenty? Also would give you analog control for movement. I'm just too lazy to build one myself.

Logitech iFeel (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979481)

The real mystery is how Logitech iFeel didn't make it. I got that thing right here but it has no support to OS X.

It is immersion powered which can do little vibrates which everyone goes crazy about these days. "Haptic feedback" is the term I guess.

While I was on Windows, it was a real intutive thing which caused no kind of system instability. I would say "because of software", no it is not the case. Unreal (2?) made use of it and it was the only game I could experience real feedback.

Here is its review from 2001
http://www.dansdata.com/ifeel.htm [dansdata.com]

BTW, hope current Logitech owners don't go mad at me... I just plugged it to my Mac and it works. 8 years :)

Keyboard/mouse combos (1)

fuckface (32611) | more than 4 years ago | (#28979531)

Years ago I had a keyboard that had a trackball mouse built into it just below the space bar. It was fantastic because I could put it on my lap and do all the modern computing I needed. In this day and age of mediacenter PCs and the like I'm shocked that there aren't more keyboard/mouse combos out there. Trying to work an optical mouse on the arm of the sofa just isn't natural. Would it really be so hard to tack a trackpad onto a wireless keyboard?

worst slashdot link ever! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#28979641)

I'm pissed I looked at the pictures.

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