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Twitter, Facebook DDoS Attack Targeted One User

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the widespread-collateral-damage dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A Georgian blogger with accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and Google's Blogger and YouTube was targeted in a denial of service attack that led to yesterday's site-wide outage at Twitter and problems at the other sites on, according to a Facebook executive. The blogger, who uses the account name 'Cyxymu' (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia), had accounts on all of the different sites that were attacked at the same time, Max Kelly, chief security officer at Facebook, told CNet News." Here are user Cyxymu's LiveJournal Google cache and LiveJournal account (unreachable at this writing). Larry Magid writes on CNet that this individual blogs about independence of a breakaway region of Georgia. Macworld has some speculation in other directions on the motivations behind the DDoS attack.
Update: 08/07 19:52 GMT by KD : Cyber attacks on Cyxymu are not new. For over a year Evgeny Morozov has been calling attention to him as the first digital refugee.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985507)

ladies, get your pussies ready!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985855)

yo mama ain't no lady and her pussy is always ready

Re:fp (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985863)

Who modded this insightful?

Re:fp (3, Funny)

sopssa (1498795) | about 5 years ago | (#28985911)

Well its kind of badass to be the sole purpose some of the world's largest websites got beaten offline.. Aww who am I kidding, the jerk from high school still wins.

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986917)

I think it's a commentary on twitter .... while people talk about twitter in terms of the iranian revolution [sic], it's primarily overhyped retarded shit. Also, the OP was expecting to get laid by virtue of his first post.

Re:fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986507)

Hey Cuntdot fags, do you want to waste another mod point? Yes, it is me the idle troll on mainline shitdot again. While you are all going to fuck each other in the ass, I'm going to go find me some pussy to fuck. Talk to you later cuntdot fags.

Just like rs79 said yesterday (0, Redundant)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 5 years ago | (#28985551)

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328011&cid=28976247 [slashdot.org]

Interesting...

(yes this is a dupe of my firehose post...I thought once articles were on the front page they were no longer in the firehose)

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (5, Insightful)

vmxeo (173325) | about 5 years ago | (#28985623)

Some people didn't like what was posted to twitter in the past 24 hours and had other people take it down. It's a distraction. Scrutinize what happened before it down and not the distraction of it going down and you'll have your answer.

Wasn't yesterday the anniversary of the Russian military incursion in South Ossetia in Georgia? Perhaps after Twitter's widespread involvement with the events in Iran, certain political elements didn't want it happening there as well?

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (5, Informative)

mikael_j (106439) | about 5 years ago | (#28985729)

Well, technically they went in after repeatedly telling the Georgians to stop fucking with the south ossetians. Obviously there is more to it than this but for those of us who actually followed the events leading up to the russian forces entering south ossetia it's painfully obvious that most people only noticed something was going on when western media outlets began pumping out "Russia invades Georgia!", "$POLITICIAN says Russian attack on Georgia worse than nazi atrocities" and similar headlines.

/Mikael

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (5, Informative)

toporok (1138049) | about 5 years ago | (#28986163)

Amen brother! It's saddening how the western media choose to ignore when Georgia started shelling civilian targets in South Ossetia and then launched a full scale invasion. Georgians were preparing for it for 4 years and planned to do it in one day before Russia could interfere. But only when Russia responded a day and a half later did we here about and what we heard was "Russia Invades Georgia!". There are both sides to this story but in this particular case it was Georgia that was the aggressor. And let's not forget history. South Ossetia was given to Georgia by Stalin ( who is Georgian) in the 1950's. Prior to that Ossetia was it's own entity and they and Georgians have a mutual hatred for each other dating back centuries. So when you hear that Georgia "lost it's territories" to Russian "aggression", stop and consider the real facts, not what news media is telling you!

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (0, Flamebait)

funkatron (912521) | about 5 years ago | (#28986449)

stop and consider the real facts, not what news media is telling you!

The real fact is that Eastern Europeans like to be shit to each other. Russia and Georgia was just a variation on the theme.

Yes, but more insightfully: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986919)

The real fact is that people like to be shit to each other. Russia and Georgia was just a variation on the theme

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (0, Flamebait)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 5 years ago | (#28986717)

Mod parent up. History almost always plays a major role in friction between nations. Osettians are Russians, Georgians are not. Georgia invading Osettia may very well have been the prelude to some good old genocidal ethnic cleansing. Just because Georgia's president went to college in the USA, and he's nut-to-butt with a lot of American politicians doesn't make him clean, or right, or even human. American has spawned it's share of despicable low life SOB's. Jim Jones, and Guyanna, anyone?

how would you react (2, Interesting)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 5 years ago | (#28986409)

if the usa invaded isla de la juventud?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_de_la_Juventud [wikipedia.org]

because havana has political disagreements with the population there

oh, the people of south ossetia have disagreements with tbilisi? gee, fucking wow. so the people in south ossetia are like outlying regions in every goddamn country on the planet? awesome rationale for russian military invasion

russia is engaging in neoimperialism. to frame russian aggression against a small neighbor as some sort of defensive posture is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit imaginable. biden is absolutely right: russia is stuck in the 19th century. seriously, russians: what the hell is wrong with your country? why are you so goddamn ultranationalistic? why do you favor "strength" over justice? putin walks around with his shirt off, russians swoon, and the thuggish crimes of the veritable mafia that runs that country are forgiven

i now await my complete psychological deflections and projecting on others: more tired typical anti-americanisms when RUSSIA is the one engaging in military aggression (its the usa's fault, obviously, when russian tanks roll, obviously!), and other such completely intellectually incoherent attempts at justifying what is nothing more than obvious naked russian imperialistic aggression on a small southern neighbor

sorry if i sound so critical of russia. easy solution: just come find me and drive an icepick into a brain, pour some polonium in my tea, or dose my food with dioxin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky#Assassination [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoning [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#Dioxin_poisoning_controversy [wikipedia.org]

for daring to question oh so unquestionable mother russia. or just shoot me in the street, like you do any other russian journalist who dare criticize the rationale and thinking of the strict party line of the dumbest ultranationalist russian thug, right?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/05/russias-gangster-state/ [washingtontimes.com]

heaven forbid a little self-critical introspection might actually result in a better russia, right?

russia is a pathetic thugocracy: "strength" over justice

that kind of "strength" will of course result in the weakest russia that will ever be, that will make the humiliation of the russo-japanese war look like a pride building exercise, mark my words russia. not that russia will ever find that out and correct its course. because criticism of russia is a crime

russia: self-criticism is the way to a better russia. only the psychology of a thug is antagonistic to this idea. and so without such introspection, you get the brutal thug life you deserve

Re:how would you react (2, Informative)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 5 years ago | (#28986801)

You really should study Russian history, from the Russian perspective. For starters, can you tell us, without googling, how many times Russia has been invaded in the past? Invaded, and defeated, it's people enslaved, murdered, and starved? In fact, starvation in Russia is an ever present spectre - America's spendthrift and wasteful habits combined with American attitudes about freedom and liberty would be fatal to the Russian people.

Here's a stratfor link, from which you might browse around, and glean additional intelligence:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090602_geography_recession [stratfor.com]

right (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 5 years ago | (#28987109)

because pre-soviet history allows for excusing any crimes russia commits

additionally, america does bad things. therefore, its ok for russia to do bad things

Wow you ARE trully full of it my friend (1)

Petkov (1011081) | about 5 years ago | (#28986835)

russia is engaging in neoimperialism? What about USA my friend? Why don't you look at recent 60 years old history and lets count how many countries USA has invaded and how many has Russia? Need we even mention Iraq, Afganistan, constantly bombing Pakistan etc etc etc? you are truly a pathetic idiot or a total shill. I feel sorry for your severely limited view of the world.

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (3, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#28986665)

Well, technically they went in after repeatedly telling the Georgians to stop fucking with the south ossetians.

If that's your attitude then I certainly hope that you are in favor of the Taiwanese, Basque, and Tamil Tigers having their independence. South Ossetia was part of Georgia before the Russians went in there and took it away from them. You may regard what they did as justifiable (I honestly don't know enough to form a conclusion one way or another) but it seems dishonest to say that the Georgians were "fucking with" them without also noting that South Ossetia was a part of Georgia.

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (1)

Trent Hawkins (1093109) | about 5 years ago | (#28985883)

Nah, if a certain political power had wanted this guy gone then he would have had an 'unfortunate accident' two days ago and had his Twitter account terminated. Creating a big scene that ends up all over the news is lacking in style and effect. So I'm gonna Razor this idea and conclude that it's some ass hat hacker spamming twitter from his basement.

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (1)

Etrias (1121031) | about 5 years ago | (#28986113)

Why is this modded funny?

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986173)

Because it's funny that it took a Slashdot poster to point out the obvious, which is that it's almost impossible for major media outlets NOT to conclude russian activity as a possibility because of the anniversery.

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (1)

vmxeo (173325) | about 5 years ago | (#28986337)

I have no idea about the modding on my comment. And I tried to keep my comments as to the event as neutral as possible. However, after the use of social media such as Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube with the riots and demonstrations in Iran, I would suspect world governments would takes these sites much more seriously; blocking them when possible to prevent their own people from organizing and DOS'ing them outright to prevent others (or if they don't have effective filtering already in place).

Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986525)

Twitter, overblown hype and marketing machine.

The people rioting and getting sent to jail? Nothing compared to the damage of a thousands tweetdeck tweets a doodle do buzz word a chrip wank [message too long, truncated]

I find it eerily telling that so many news stories on the websites major media news outlets always has some "first post" in the comments section mentioning Twitter. Coincidence or straight up "viral marketing"?

Asymmetrical warfare (5, Insightful)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 5 years ago | (#28985565)

Any guesses as to how many more people will start following "Cyxymu" solely because of this attack? It's called The Streisand Effect, Russia, and it's very real.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (2, Insightful)

palegray.net (1195047) | about 5 years ago | (#28985597)

You're right. It would have been much more effective to simply have the guy killed.

/me waits for news reports of his untimely demise.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (2, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 5 years ago | (#28985635)

Any guesses as to how many more people will start following "Cyxymu" solely because of this attack? It's called The Streisand Effect, Russia, and it's very real.

Russia? How do you know it's Russia? I've read only the CNET article but my first thoughts were that if Cyxymu wanted to validate himself, he would organize this DDoS against himself. Assuming (s)he is a real person and not some puppet account set up by the region that wants independence that attacked itself to gain legitimacy. I mean, Russia and Georgia probably would have coordinated this with other attacks/raids on the poor soul if he existed, right? My theory is just as realistic as any other until we get more facts on who is claiming responsibility for this. How do you know that these attacks weren't carried out expecting the Streisand effect?

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (4, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 5 years ago | (#28985719)

How do we know you're not in the employ of Putin himself? Answer the question, eldavojohn! Produce your birth certificate!

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 5 years ago | (#28985841)

Answer the question, eldavojohn! Produce your birth certificate!

How would a birth certificate demonstrate employment?
Someone born in any country in the world could still be working as a Russian agent for Putin.....

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (0, Offtopic)

eugene2k (1213062) | about 5 years ago | (#28986377)

And someone born not as an american citizen could still become the president of the United States, if they hide their _real_ birth certificate.

</paranoid_dellusions>

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

OakDragon (885217) | about 5 years ago | (#28986695)

How do we know you're not in the employ of Putin himself? Answer the question, eldavojohn! Produce your birth certificate!

Don't wait for the translation! Answer me now!

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986465)

I was just about to suggest this myself.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

fulldecent (598482) | about 5 years ago | (#28986473)

>> Russia? How do you know it's Russia? I've read only the CNET article but my first thoughts were that if Cyxymu wanted to validate himself, he would organize this DDoS against himself.

Which is more likely?

* A team of Russian hackers successfully accomplishes X

* A team of Georgian hackers successfully accomplishes X

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (2, Funny)

oenone.ablaze (1133385) | about 5 years ago | (#28985641)

perhaps not as many as you'd think... it's almost all [twitter.com] in Russian(?). Oh, and don't everyone go check it out at once--we wouldn't want Slashdot blamed for the next DDoS attack on this fellow's account. I can see the headlines now...

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | about 5 years ago | (#28986295)

Well, given that "Cyxymu" is false cyrillic for Sukhumi (the capital of Abkhasia, actually) and that georgian blogger himself chooses to blog in Russian, one shouldn't wonder why it is almost all in Russian there.

Blame the fish (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#28986877)

Oh, and don't everyone go check it out at once--we wouldn't want Slashdot blamed for the next DDoS attack on this fellow's account.

No, people would blame Google and Yahoo! when a bunch of American, Canadian, British, Irish, Australian, and New Zealander users start hitting his Twitter page through the Language Tools and Babel Fish pages.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985679)

What we need is DDoDDoS to counteract such attacks.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

Stauken (1392809) | about 5 years ago | (#28986207)

What we need is DDoDDoS to counteract such attacks.

I refer you to P = NP for the scalability issues involved in this. :) Botnet a needs to be an order of magnitude smaller than botnet b to affect it, which would just lead to construction of botnet c with another order of magnitude for difference. It honestly becomes very unrealistic after the first round of hack/counterhack.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (3, Funny)

krou (1027572) | about 5 years ago | (#28985705)

In Soviet Russia, the Streisand affects YOU!

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 5 years ago | (#28985847)

Oh, believe me....Streisand affects people the world over.... :-)

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (2, Informative)

Toe, The (545098) | about 5 years ago | (#28985733)

On Twitter, he was under 400 when this article was published. Now he's at 447. Now, 449 since I started typing.

Have a look to see what he's at now: http://twitter.com/cyxymu [twitter.com]

P.S. Some of it is in English.

Let's all follow just in case (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986243)

He is up to 515 now. Keep it going! :)

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 5 years ago | (#28986115)

It's called The Streisand Effect, Russia, and it's very real.

IME, countries care significantly less about what others think of them than your average private individual or organisation does.

Re:Asymmetrical warfare (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 5 years ago | (#28986541)

The "Streisand Effect, Russia?"

Oh! To be young, and raised in a fat prosperous society where fear is nothing more than fear of social rejection.

URANIDIOT

The only one? (1, Insightful)

eserteric (442678) | about 5 years ago | (#28985567)

Really, he's the only guy with an account on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, Blogger and YouTube?

Re:The only one? (1)

v1 (525388) | about 5 years ago | (#28985839)

I was wondering that too, surely there are a number of people all members of those groups. I'd expect people that are members of two or more to be members of most.

Re:The only one? (1)

causality (777677) | about 5 years ago | (#28985981)

Really, he's the only guy with an account on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, Blogger and YouTube?

I was wondering that too, surely there are a number of people all members of those groups. I'd expect people that are members of two or more to be members of most.

Well yeah they have to feed their self-importance, narcissism, delusions of grandeur, attention whoring, or exhibitionistic tendencies SOMEHOW.

Wait, that's not this "Cyxymu" guy? No wonder they are trying to shut him down then. He stands out too much!

Re:The only one? (1)

geegel (1587009) | about 5 years ago | (#28985891)

A conspiracy theory is better than no theory. The truth is that nobody knows jackshit on the "who" and "why". Now imagine journalists admitting to that. I can't see it happening either.

Re:The only one? (3, Interesting)

eln (21727) | about 5 years ago | (#28985941)

Apparently Facebook's security officer identified this particular account as the target. I haven't seen any discussion as to what evidence he's basing that on, but I'm guessing he didn't just pick a random account out of the air.

Re:The only one? (2, Informative)

pdboddy (620164) | about 5 years ago | (#28986865)

He was identified by a Facebook admin. He's an outspoken blogger about the whole Georgian conflict, and the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia just passed. If someone isn't trying to shut him up (Russia, hackers annoyed by his shit, etc), then someone decided he'd be a good test of their latest botnet.

Next time it's me (4, Funny)

Toe, The (545098) | about 5 years ago | (#28985571)

So if you ever hear of a simultaneous attack on SlashDot and Twitter... that's aimed at me. See, I have accounts on both sites, so clearly...

Re:Next time it's me (3, Funny)

toetagger (642315) | about 5 years ago | (#28986831)

And naturally, I would be the first suspect of doing so....

Re:Next time it's me (1)

racas (633636) | about 5 years ago | (#28987017)

Am I missing something, or does nothing in TFA actually explain how they arrived at the conclusion that the attack was aimed at this one account? Seems like a huge conclusionary jump based on a very small amount of information.

I also have accounts on all three sites, how did they decide it wasn't aimed at ME? I assure you, I was very irritated that my "is teaching his coworker to make origami stars" tweet didn't go through.

What a country! (5, Funny)

Teresita (982888) | about 5 years ago | (#28985575)

Here in capitalist America whole country use Twitter to get informed. In Soviet Russia, Twitter shut down whole country to get informer!

Re:What a country! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985917)

Inflammable means flammable? What a country!

:o) (1)

Max_W (812974) | about 5 years ago | (#28985579)

In Georgia and Russia it's Twitter that shuts you down.

Re::o) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986961)

In Soviet Russia, Twitter shuts down YOU!!!

This is awsome... (5, Funny)

ComputerGeek01 (1182793) | about 5 years ago | (#28985617)

So immediatly following a true DDoS attack on these sites you provide links to them so that they can then be \.'d this...is...awsome.

Re:This is awsome... (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about 5 years ago | (#28986519)

What is a Backslashdot?

No way (1, Insightful)

Magada (741361) | about 5 years ago | (#28985647)

I smell a rat. Big one, whiskers thick as cat5.

Hmmmm (2)

ModernGeek (601932) | about 5 years ago | (#28985675)

I'm interested in how each different network will handle the situation. We have moved to centralization on the Internet, and I'm curious as to whether any of these places will give in to the attackers demands, such as disabling or removing the atackees account.

1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgia (4, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | about 5 years ago | (#28985681)

According to a report [timesonline.co.uk] by the "Times Online" and another report [guardian.co.uk] by "guardian.co.uk", today is the 1-year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia. Russian troops has not exited the territory of Georgia though Vladimir Putin signed an agreement to do so. Further, the Kremlin has recognized the occupied territory -- Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- as independent nations although the entire family of Western nations has not.

The coordinated Internet attack against a computer account owned by a Georgian is likely not a coincidence as the attack occurred precisely on the day marking the 1-year anniversary of this show of Russian military force. For that same reason, that a pair of Russian submarines [guardian.co.uk] loaded with nuclear missiles were recently patrolling off the East Coast of the United States is not a coincidence.

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985853)

For that same reason, that a pair of Russian submarines [guardian.co.uk] loaded with nuclear missiles were recently patrolling off the East Coast of the United States is not a coincidence.

Doesn't make sense. Submarines spotted on the other side of the globe, not even on the day of the 1 year anniversary sounds very much like a coincidence. You think they were gonna nuke twitter servers or somethin?

nuke twitter? (1)

mu51c10rd (187182) | about 5 years ago | (#28986851)

you think they were gonna nuke twitter servers

One could only hope...

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (4, Informative)

TMarvelous (928161) | about 5 years ago | (#28985871)

Nuclear POWERED, not nuclear ARMED. If you read the source and not the blog refering to the source you'd know this already. "Defense Department officials declined to speculate on which weapons might be aboard the two submarines." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/05patrol.html [nytimes.com]

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (5, Informative)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | about 5 years ago | (#28986003)

They are Akula class [wikipedia.org] attack submarines, which in a war would primarily be used against submarines and ships. They are quite possibly armed with nuclear weapons, but not ICBMS. The big nuclear missiles are on Typhoon class subs [wikipedia.org] that are, presumably, drifting around undetected somewhere in the Barents Sea.

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (2, Funny)

Ecuador (740021) | about 5 years ago | (#28986683)

The big nuclear missiles are on Typhoon class subs [wikipedia.org] that are, presumably, drifting around undetected somewhere in the Barents Sea.

Of course that is except the one which that nice Scottish-accented Lithuanian captain handed over to the US in the early nineties.

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (5, Informative)

kevinNCSU (1531307) | about 5 years ago | (#28985875)

Odd, CNN had reported they were Akula-Class Attack submarines and specifically pointed out that they did not carry nuclear warheads. I think this article is sensationalizing the fact that they are nuclear-powered by using the more vague term "nuclear-armed" in order to make people think that they're boomers.

If the location of Russian Boomers was world news while on patrol they wouldn't be a show of force they'd be a sign of weakness as the whole point is you have to fear either a first strike without time to respond or a retaliatory strike from a target you can't take out in your first strike because you can't find it.

Knowledge of where that launch platform is (which means you can bet your ass it'd being shadowed by an attack sub of our own) would invalidate the threat.

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (1)

InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) | about 5 years ago | (#28985927)

The coordinated Internet attack against a computer account owned by a Georgian is likely not a coincidence as the attack occurred precisely on the day marking the 1-year anniversary of this show of Russian military force. For that same reason, that a pair of Russian submarines [guardian.co.uk] loaded with nuclear missiles were recently patrolling off the East Coast of the United States is not a coincidence.

Whoa! I better put on my tinfoil hat before continuing to follow the linked article!

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (1)

ThinkWeak (958195) | about 5 years ago | (#28985949)

It was my understanding that the pair of subs were not capable of carrying nuclear missiles. Can you provide source to the contrary?

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (1)

ThinkWeak (958195) | about 5 years ago | (#28986095)

Just as a follow-up, the subs are nuclear-powered, not nuclear-armed as indicated in your linked article to the guardian. They are Akula class subs

From Reuters: "Akula is the NATO code name for the Nerpa submarine, which has been in service since the mid-1980s. They are armed with torpedoes, cruise missiles and can carry underwater missiles."

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5740DV20090805 [reuters.com]

Cruise Missiles != Nuclear Missiles

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986437)

but also,

(Cruise Missiles != Nuclear Missiles) != No Nuclear Warheads

some countries were also capping torpedoes with Nukes, IIRC.

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (2, Insightful)

javacowboy (222023) | about 5 years ago | (#28986149)

Are you sure Russia attacked first? According to my own understanding of the situation, it's Georgia that invaded South Ossetia, a territory that declared independence from Georgia since the mid-1990's and has many Russian citizens within its territory. You can understand Russia's interest in those two territories.

So it's not as simple as declaring "Georgia's territory is sacrosanct therefore Georgia should be united".

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (1)

pdboddy (620164) | about 5 years ago | (#28986959)

Hence the reason for many Western nations silence on certain parts of the issue. Spain has the Basques to worry about, Canada has Quebec (and possibly Alberta), it's a sticky mess we're getting into if we open our mouths.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't though...

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986169)

Those subs were most likely not carrying nuclear missiles. The Guardian article sites a NYTimes article which states that the subs were nuclear powered not nuclear armed. So clearly the objective is to attack Twitter by rolling a nuclear sub on it. Too bad they were on the wrong coast. Those nutty Russians!

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (1)

RCL (891376) | about 5 years ago | (#28986267)

Further, the Kremlin has recognized the occupied territory -- Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- as independent nations although the entire family of Western nations has not.

On a side note, why Abkhazs [wikipedia.org] and Ossetians [wikipedia.org] , nations with distinct language, culture and history from both Georgians and Russians, have such a bad luck (especially compared to Kosovo citizens)?

Just because they happen to align themselves with Russia?

Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi (2, Funny)

value_added (719364) | about 5 years ago | (#28986977)

According to a report by the "Times Online" and another report by guardian.co.uk", today is the 1-year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia.

Aug 8 Dustin Hoffman born in Los Angeles, 1937
Aug 8 Montenegro declares war on Germany, 1914
Aug 8 Richard Nixon resigns the US presidency, 1974
Aug 8 The Great Train Robbery -- $7,368,000, 1963

The above suggests to me that it's American Neocons seeking to regain the power of the presidency, working in conjunction with Serbian terrorists angry at their Montenegrin brothers along with a few German Nazis still fighting the good fight, a plot funded by the money stolen in 1963, and spearheaded by none other than than Dustin Hoffman.

Nashi? (2, Informative)

RbF_Mack (1609405) | about 5 years ago | (#28985721)

There has been numerous DDOS attacks over the years by Russia's youth group the "Nashi" but mainly against the ukraine. I'm sure in a year or so when the media dies down some crazy Putin funded mother Russia group will come out and admit to it.

Slashdot Effect (4, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 5 years ago | (#28985727)

Yesterday, he was the target of a DDoS attack. Today? The target of the Slashdot Effect. Poor guy will never have a functioning social networking page again...

It also targeted Iranian reformist accounts (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28985775)

Here is the list of active Iranian opposition to coup government that got attacked yesterday as well:
http://www.facebook.com/mousavi
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zahra-Rahnavard-/79757303129
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Mirdamadi-/129589377387
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Abdollah-Ramezanzadeh/104800577446
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Behzad-Nabavi-/112121917445

source of list: http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/27068-mousavis-facebook-deleted-4.html#post60410

The Grotesquely Ugly Truth (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986537)

In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.

In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.

If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.

Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.

We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.

The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.

Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.

Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.

Interesting tweet (1)

Procasinator (1173621) | about 5 years ago | (#28985821)

In this tweet from Dec 23rd, 2008 [twitter.com] the user states:

my blog was under DDoS atack, I replace it to http://cyxymu1.livejournal.com/ [livejournal.com]

Obviously this user is used to DDoS and is quite aware of being at the wrong (could say both sides are wrong) end of them.

You sure it wasn't targeting me? (-1, Offtopic)

edmicman (830206) | about 5 years ago | (#28985889)

I mean, *I* have accounts on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and I think an old Blogger one somewhere. I'm sure Livejournal was just a coincidence. Internet narcissism much? Half the Internet goes down, and it's because of a targeted attack because one person posts/has accounts on those services? Like mentioned above, it'd be easier just to send some thugs to rough him up.

Re:You sure it wasn't targeting me? (1)

Razalhague (1497249) | about 5 years ago | (#28986433)

Perhaps they don't know who he is.

Re:You sure it wasn't targeting me? (1)

edmicman (830206) | about 5 years ago | (#28986547)

Wait - they can't figure out who the guy is in meatspace based on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and blogs, but have the ability to take down a number of the world's largest websites? Sites that are designed for massive usage?

Re:You sure it wasn't targeting me? (1)

Razalhague (1497249) | about 5 years ago | (#28986605)

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the concept, but people can lie on the internet. Also, proxies.

Fake Streisand? (1, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | about 5 years ago | (#28985907)

It occurs to me that if you're saying something important, and want people to see it, the best way on the internet is to manufacture a Streisand Effect on yourself. Pretend that someone wants to muffle you. And do it by crashing major sites.

Not saying that's what happened here, but it's definitely a possibility.

Re:Fake Streisand? (1)

AdmiralXyz (1378985) | about 5 years ago | (#28986177)

It's an interesting theory, but when I think to myself, "Who is more likely to have the resources to pull off a massive distributed-denial-of-service attack against multiple large websites, a single Ukrainian blogger or the Russian government?", the latter seems the more likely candidate.

Re:Fake Streisand? (1)

Razalhague (1497249) | about 5 years ago | (#28986487)

a single Ukrainian blogger

Georgian.

And I'm sure they'd like you to believe it's just a single blogger.

False logic for fingering the "target" (2, Funny)

rgviza (1303161) | about 5 years ago | (#28985955)

>had accounts on all of the different sites that were attacked at the same time
That pretty much describes a large number of users that use YouTwitFace. Maybe YouTwitFace was the target...

Republic of Abkhazia is an independent state! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986129)

Historically and de-facto it's an independent state country with Sukhumi being its capital city. I think it's good that this recent DDoS will bring some attention of the mostly ignorant western world to the situation in these former soviet (not Georgian!) states (Abkhazia and Osetia). I would make sense for many people to take a sober look at what happened just a year ago to the thousands of civil people of South Osetia by irresponsible and criminal actions by Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili and its government.

Oblig (1, Insightful)

AP31R0N (723649) | about 5 years ago | (#28986203)

$Obligatory comment on the uselessness and irrelevance of Twitter.

Information wants to be free... (2, Insightful)

rickb928 (945187) | about 5 years ago | (#28986241)

And tyrants as always don't much like anyone else's freedom.

All the more reason to oppose tyranny. Wherever it is found.

Now to get the Internet to recognize tyranny as damage and route around it...

Fuck twitter, give me IRC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986323)

Where are the slashdot stories about netsplits?

DDoS backfired? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986327)

The twist in the tale seems to be that whilst attempting to silence Cyxymu they have now made him and his blog posts world-famous. His name has entered Googles Hot Trends as a rising search. Facebook and Twitter DDoS - Cyxymu [abraxor.com]

Perfect storm? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 years ago | (#28986485)

What if several parties tried to do a (maybe if in isolated form, dumb) DDoS the same day ? Maybe a lot of social sites have frequently tries to DoS them, and maybe they usually can resist the attack. But if yesterday they got several attacks at once for different reasons the effect could have been visible to us at last.

Evidence? (0)

TerranFury (726743) | about 5 years ago | (#28986561)

The sole piece of evidence that I'm seeing cited by the news organizations is the following sentence in the CNET story:

The blogger, who uses the account name "Cyxymu," (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia) had accounts on all of the different sites that were attacked at the same time, Max Kelly, chief security officer at Facebook, told CNET News.

In other words, "Max Kelly said so."

How on earth can he with confidence make a statement like this? I'm not asserting that he's wrong. I just really want to know what the evidence is that convinces him that he's right. What, were tens of thousands of machines just accessing this one guy's profile?

Has anyone else read more on this, or have any sources or insight?

Re:Evidence? (1)

sdiz (224607) | about 5 years ago | (#28986711)

HTTP Access log?

Re:Evidence? (1)

pdboddy (620164) | about 5 years ago | (#28987019)

Chief security officer. Gee, I dunno, he must be pulling his facts out of his ass, eh, with a title like that?

A great DDoS attack is just as you say, thousands and thousands of requests to access one page. Heck, not even a page, you could attack just a single file or image on a page.

Correlation = Causation now? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | about 5 years ago | (#28986803)

I'm sure there's some small-town nobody somewhere in the continental us, or some native in the northwest territories who also has accounts on these sites.

OMG russia is after THEM!!!

"Targeted" DDoS attack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28986819)

Can someone please explain how an attack like a DDoS can target a single account, or even a subset of accounts on a large site like twitter or facebook? I clearly must be missing something here, because I figured these people host multiple accounts on a given server, and probably mirror all accounts across multiple facilities.

It's not like Facebook has a separate server for each user account... Or when I create my facebook account, is some sysadmin at Facebook ordering another T1 pipe from the ISP?

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