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Sony Producing New PS3 Hardware, Slim Appears Likely

Soulskill posted about 5 years ago | from the consoles-on-a-diet dept.

PlayStation (Games) 183

The Opposable Thumbs blog reports on a confluence of rumors and information leaks that suggest Sony will be unveiling a PS3 Slim sooner rather than later. Despite waning console sales, orders for PS3-related hardware have risen sharply. There's evidence to suggest that Sony is phasing out its 80GB model, which would help clear the way for a hardware revision. Some expect the official announcement to come as early as August 18th, during the gamescom expo in Germany.

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Do not want!! (3, Interesting)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 5 years ago | (#28996089)

Unless the price comes down to 360 levels. It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

seizurebattlerobot (265408) | about 5 years ago | (#28996129)

It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.

Wipeout HD? Despite the advertising controversy, it is, IMHO, the best racing game of this console generation.

GOAT SEX ANAL FECAL MATTER (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996155)

Mod me down. I wasted your precious modpoint. This is like feeding crumbs to the pigeons.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 5 years ago | (#28996215)

That's a good suggestion, and don't get me wrong, I love Wipeout. I just wouldn't buy a whole console for it.

Back when it was Squaresoft, Metal Gear and things like Tekken, I would have half considered it, but the number of games that are going cross-platform removes the need for me to own two.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Interesting)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | about 5 years ago | (#28996277)

I don't own a PS3, but there are a few exclusives I've enjoyed when hanging out at a friend's and a few upcoming ones that are making me tempted (although I'll probably get a 360 because I'm involved in game dev and my company wants to try to branch to consoles with our 3D engine):

Metal Gear Solid 4 (it's coming out on the 360, but I strongly doubt it'll look anywhere near as nice)
Wipeout HD
Uncharted and Uncharted 2 (I thought they were lame when they were first released, but they grow on you fast)
Gran Turismo 5 (not out yet, but a definite exclusive)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Fat Princess (don't knock it till you've played it, this shit is hilarious)

Re:Do not want!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996325)

MGS4 isn't coming out on the 360. I don't know where you heard that, but it isn't true.

Re:Do not want!! (0, Troll)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | about 5 years ago | (#28997197)

Yeah, after a bit more research I found that out. I vaguely remembered hearing a rumor and the Google results seemed to be trending that way, so I added it to the list. My bad.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | about 5 years ago | (#28996469)

Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't coming out on the 360.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 5 years ago | (#28996627)

He may be getting confused between MGS4 and Metal Gear Rising, which is what I'm talking about.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Informative)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996905)

Add to the list: Ratchet and Clank, Resistance 1 and 2, Killzone 2, and inFamous.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

Glonoinha (587375) | about 5 years ago | (#28996267)

Take a look at Forza 2, or the upcoming Forza 3 if you want high fidelity in a racing console game. As I understand it, it models all the way down to the non-Newtonian physics level at the interaction between the tires and the road, with different interaction as the chemical compounds in the rubber heat across multiple levels. Any race sim that models the sheer angle (the twisting of the sidewalls in the tires during a hard cornering) and the weight of the drive shaft and flywheel with respect to how the difference in angular momentum affects acceleration - is a good sim in my book.

Disclaimer - only for the 360, and probably worth buying a used 360 just to play this one game.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

wc_paladin (989918) | about 5 years ago | (#28996301)

That may be true, but can you go 900 mph and shoot missiles?

Re:Do not want!! (1)

Front Line Assembly (255726) | about 5 years ago | (#28996357)

Speaking of Forza 2. It's a great game but the physics seem a little lacking with some cars. They just skid all over the place like on ice. Even with traction control etc. Anybody can explain this?
I doubt Forza 3 will correct this, they seem to have concentrated on graphics and track/car amounts.
Don't get me wrong, still a great game.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996517)

You need to go take physics again I think.
Forza 2 has insane sweet physics, once you get the hang of it any other racing game is a piece of cake and simply too physics-retarded to be anything close to a challenge.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28997125)

You probably are not aware how much data Polyphony Digital collects from cars from ACTUAL driving?

Oh, and I would only advise my enemies to buy a used 360. *cough*RROD*cough*E74*cough*

Re:Do not want!! (1)

sznupi (719324) | about 5 years ago | (#28997295)

Uhm, what is non-Newtonian about it?...

And I wonder how it compares to Richard Burns Rally ;) (though TBH...I like games that know they are games, focusing more on stimulating perceptions/giving illusion to our senses; modeling with great attention to details dynamics of a car doesn't do much to increase realism...)

Re:Do not want!! (4, Interesting)

krou (1027572) | about 5 years ago | (#28996133)

The summary doesn't mention it, but there are signs that they may announce a price drop for the PS3 at GamesCom as well. For example, they've doubled PS3 production since the cost of making the PS3 has dropped some 70% since launch, while Amazon reduced the cost of one of the 160GB bundles by around US$50. Probably won't be anywhere near Xbox360 levels though.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 5 years ago | (#28996697)

Yeah, don't price drops often coincide with "slim" versions? My impression is the slim versions of these things are a result of improved manufacturing of the chips and such, which often (though I suppose not necessarily) means that they're able to produce equivalently powerful chips more cheaply.

I'd be happy if they just made a flat-topped PS3, so I could stack other things on top of it.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996867)

If the past is any indication, the old fat models' prices will fall while the slim models take their place at the top of the hill. Once the fat models are wiped from the shelves, then the slim slowly drops down to the fat price level.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

Toonol (1057698) | about 5 years ago | (#28996993)

I think this is more likely. Isn't there still a massive backlog of unsold fat PS3s? If a slim model was announced that was cheaper, the millions of units of old inventory will never sell. I'm sure the slim version, if released, would be the premium model, even though it would cost less to manufacture.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Insightful)

Davemania (580154) | about 5 years ago | (#28996159)

Comparing the price of a base PS3 to XBox360 is quite frankly ridiculous. The extra features of the base machine offered is completely different, if you get the Xbox 360 with the addtional attachment cost included, comparing the cost would than be more realistic. I do think that the PS3 price need to come to but not necessarily down to 360's.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Insightful)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 5 years ago | (#28996201)

The difference I see is - I can buy a 360 without the additional attachments. With the PS3 I have no choice.

Not sure why my original post is a troll though - I guess that it could offend someone, though I'm not sure who.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Insightful)

dank zappingly (975064) | about 5 years ago | (#28997003)

Yeah you can buy a 360 without the additional attachments, but if you do buy them, they are going to hose you with their proprietary hard drives and wireless adapters. If you end up spending $130 for a 120gb hard drive and $77 for a wireless adapter and the PS3 isn't really more expensive, plus you get free online play. I'm sure not everyone needs a blu ray player(well aware of the people who still insist that it barely looks better than a regular dvd), or wireless, and that xbox live is superior to PSN, but I think that for the average gamer there really isn't much of a price difference once you take everything into account.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Funny)

ravenshrike (808508) | about 5 years ago | (#28997105)

You can buy a 360 without the additional attachments sure, but only if you like playing in the same room as a jet engine.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Insightful)

Dutch Gun (899105) | about 5 years ago | (#28997479)

Not sure why my original post is a troll though - I guess that it could offend someone, though I'm not sure who.

Because there's way too many gamers who, for whatever reason, seem to have tied their sense of self-worth to whichever gaming platform they've chosen. I've never understood that, and likely never will.

Myself, I don't want a cheaper, slimmed down PS3. I want a deluxe mode. I would likely pick up a new console if Sony would create a new PS3 with full hardware PS2 support. Yes, I already have a PS2, but I would love to be able to get rid of it and just play on the newer system. Oddly enough, my PS2 is still getting more gameplay time than my PS3 (I currently have a 20GB model) as I plow through a lot of the great older PS2 titles I missed (some JRPGs, Tales games, Ico & Shadows of the Colossus, etc).

It feels like Sony hasn't had a clear direction with their hardware for a long time. They keep changing models and reducing features (except HD space in later models). I guess this economy is more conducive to less expensive systems, so they felt they had to cost-reduce at the expense of features.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

tzhuge (1031302) | about 5 years ago | (#28996377)

Saying it's ridiculous is ridiculous :p

It's a perfectly valid comparison for price of entry (the only thing that matters to the vast majority of consumers). Also, this should be obvious, people buy products, and not feature lists.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | about 5 years ago | (#28996449)

people don't care, they see they can get an xbox360 for alot less than the ps3 they don't care that:
ps3 can run normal software and browse internet, watch DVDs, etc
ps3 on-line gaming is free
ps3 controllers are bluetooth and can be used on computers
ps3 has much better hardware
ps3 games can contain much more content .'. better graphics
about a million reasons that ps3 is technically better, all they see is xbox360 is cheaper+ everybody else has then+ more friends to play online against

I don't give a shit about any of that. (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | about 5 years ago | (#28996541)

I bought my PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Disgaea 3. The fact that Iron Man looks fucking sweet on BluRay is a bonus.

Re:I don't give a shit about any of that. (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 5 years ago | (#28996701)

I agree completely. And, I run Linux on mine. www.psubuntu.com

BluRay (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28997107)

This may be a little off-topic, but the reason my wife eventually caved and said we should buy a PS3 is BluRay. When we paid $400 for a PS3, most BluRay players were still $500+, and the PS3 was routinely rated the best BluRay player on the market. Add in wifi-fi, gaming, streaming my movies from my PC to my TV, etc. honestly I thought it was a bargain at $400.

If you have a big TV, standard resolution looks pretty crappy. A good upscaled DVD looks nice, don't get me wrong. But good BluRay releases are unfairly gorgeous. And I agree with Lilith here, Iron Man in particular may be the best looking BluRay I've watched to date.

Re:Do not want!! (0, Flamebait)

LordNimon (85072) | about 5 years ago | (#28996819)

Looks like I need to dispel some of the FUD from this Sony fanboy. How anyone on Slashdot can be a Sony fanboy after their rootkit fiasco is beyond me, but here goes.

ps3 can run normal software and browse internet, watch DVDs, etc
What do you mean by "normal software"? I agree that the PS3 can browse the Internet, but I'm not sure that's so useful. The Xbox 360 can play DVDs, too.

ps3 on-line gaming is free
Xbox Live is far superior to the PS3 offering, and I pay only about $35/year. I don't *want* a free, crappy online experience.

ps3 controllers are bluetooth and can be used on computers
So? Why would I want to use my console controller on a PC?

ps3 has much better hardware
Excuse me? Care to back that up with proof?

ps3 games can contain much more content .'. better graphics
Overall, I believe cross-platform games look worse on PS3 than they do on Xbox 360. For example, Ghostbusters. But that's just minor. I have yet to see any single PS3 game that looks superior to anything you find on an Xbox.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Informative)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996947)

You misunderstood him. He's saying that while those might be true, people still go and buy the 360. Funny that you jumped right on his back, there. You're seeing Sony fanboys where there aren't any!

Furthermore, PSN isn't nearly as bad as you suggested (it was at launch, but firmware heals all wounds!), and the Playstation 3 can run Linux very easily.

Re:Do not want!! (3, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28997087)

I'm not a console fanboy. I buy all the consoles each generation. Let me debunk your FUD.

What do you mean by "normal software"? I agree that the PS3 can browse the Internet, but I'm not sure that's so useful. The Xbox 360 can play DVDs, too.

The PS3 can install Linux out of the box and can play BluRays. A BluRay player is still $200+, and $250+ for a decent one. Add $250 to the price of an XBox 360 and then tell me which is cheaper.

Xbox Live is far superior to the PS3 offering, and I pay only about $35/year. I don't *want* a free, crappy online experience.

XBox Live is better. I agree. But I prefer a free experience since I don't have 25+ hours a week to play my console online.

So? Why would I want to use my console controller on a PC?

I still play PC gaming, and I love the PS2/PS3 controllers. I don't have to buy separate PC controllers for PC gaming. That is nice. You can connect them with the USB cable or bluetooth, since it uses a standard USB connection. This is still a benefit of the PS3 over the 360. You said you were debunking FUD and in reality you're offering opinions, not commenting on facts.

Excuse me? Care to back that up with proof?

How about the litany of developers who claim their games won't run on the 360, or the fact that now that developers know how to code for the PS3, that 360 ports look worse, or that developers have had to lower draw distances for 360 versions, or that the cold hard facts show that the PS3 has more power? Again, you're offering opinions rather than facts.

Overall, I believe cross-platform games look worse on PS3 than they do on Xbox 360. For example, Ghostbusters. But that's just minor. I have yet to see any single PS3 game that looks superior to anything you find on an Xbox.

That was certainly the case when the PS3 first launched, and they just took 360 games and ported them poorly. That certainly isn't the case anymore.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28997543)

How about the litany of developers who claim their games won't run on the 360, or the fact that now that developers know how to code for the PS3, that 360 ports look worse, or that developers have had to lower draw distances for 360 versions, or that the cold hard facts show that the PS3 has more power? Again, you're offering opinions rather than facts.

You're not exactly offering facts yourself here. Ignoring the fact that flop for flop, the PS3 out calculates the Xbox 360, the games don't seem to be showing much of a difference. I would advise logging on to the Lens of Truth [lensoftruth.com] and taking a look.

That was certainly the case when the PS3 first launched, and they just took 360 games and ported them poorly. That certainly isn't the case anymore.

In his defense, Ghostbusters was only launched a month or two ago, and was supposed to be a PS3 game ported to the Xbox 360.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | about 5 years ago | (#28997179)

Proof? Well, while the graphics cards and total memory are comparable, the processor on the PS3 is much, much better than the 360's, albeit harder to code for given that RISC coding across multiple processors was prior to the release not exactly a much needed skillset in the world of gameing; and the blu-ray player and positioning of the usb ports make it a much superior design as well. Seriously, that stupid little flap thing on the 360 was clearly designed by poo-flinging monkeys.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

hattig (47930) | about 5 years ago | (#28997383)

The way you rush to debunk the "PS3 fanboy", missing his point entirely (i.e., those aspects don't sell the hardware, having fun with your mates does), just goes to show that you are a clear-cut 360 fanboy.

You can watch DVDs? Why would you do this - a DVD player is cheap, doesn't sound like a turbo-jet, and doesn't get a red ring of death. A PS3 owner can watch DVDs and BluRays, and the hardware gets top reviews for these functions.

XBox live is superior? Is it? Two years ago it clearly was, but is that the case now? What about people who don't care about it? What about people who have to spend a lot for the 360 wireless dongle to get online? What about 5 years of live - an extra $150+ on the price of the hardware.

The 360 uses proprietary APIs for its controllers, which is why getting third party controllers is really difficult. The PS3 uses standard bluetooth. And they're useful on the PC, for PC games that benefit from analogue controllers.

The PS3 has reliable hardware. RROD on the 360 pretty much makes this one a dead win for the PS3. Sorry. I think that technically, the 360 is better hardware, the graphics hardware especially is better, but reliability is a major issue for many purchasers. Also it has more features built-in by default, such as wireless. I do think the ability to run Linux is worthless, the hardware hasn't got the necessary RAM for a decent experience. Likewise the web browser is awkward, even with a Bluetooth keyboard (do they work with the 360?)

Re:Do not want!! (2, Insightful)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996847)

Not really. They've both sold quite a bit (about 30 million 360's to 24 million PS3's), so it's not like EVERYONE is flocking to one console. you exaggerate.

I for one will not buy an Xbox 360 because they continue to fail and fry themselves. I'll save up for PlayStation 3.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28997089)

And I'm honestly curious out of the 30 million 360 sales, how many were replacements for broken units? Everyone I know that has a 360 has replaced their unit at least once.

I replaced my PS3, but it wasn't a fault of the hardware. My daughter just filled the optical drive slot with pennies.

Re:Do not want!! (2, Funny)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28997151)

I replaced my PS3, but it wasn't a fault of the hardware. My daughter just filled the optical drive slot with pennies.

Hilarious. Let me guess; she overheard you saying, "Damn, I wish I could see some change in this machine!"

Re:Do not want!! (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 5 years ago | (#28996545)

Comparing the price of a base PS3 to XBox360 is quite frankly ridiculous.

Features or not, they're both gaming platforms of the current generation with most of the same games. It's not like we're comparing a gameboy original to an alienware computer.

And we're talking about him wanting it or not. It's entirely up to him. If he didn't want it because it had a "P" in the name, that might sound ridiculous, but it's all the criteria he would need.

Re:Do not want!! (0, Flamebait)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 5 years ago | (#28997215)

Actually, it's the S.

Fuckin' S.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28997319)

PS3 is a good value, but not a good price.

Comparing the ps3 to the 360, you'd be stuck comparing the 360 pro to the ps3 80.

xbox 360 pro: 299 (often cheaper if you look around)
comes with:
*wireless controller
*headset
*60 gig hard drive
*ethernet cable
*av cable (I believe this one includes options for HD tv)
*Xbox live silver membership (can talk to people online, can browse their stores, that's about it)

PS3: $399 (can occasionally be found cheaper)
* wireless controller
* wifi
* 80 gigabyte hard drive
* bluray player
* av cables (I believe just composite cables)
* psn network membership (nothing is restricted)

Honestly, the two systems aren't much different. If you consider all of features being equal (which they are certainly not), then it really looks like you're paying $100 more for a console with a bluray player (a good one) and a wifi card, losing the ability to play last generation games. It's more or less a toss up, and it's totally fair to consider these equal machines.

This is even more pronounced when you consider that these machines are direct competitors, and so a person deciding on which console to get as a first console would have to make this decision.

As for the price drop: yeah, if it really wants to compete, it needs to have a reasonable sku price at 360 levels, +/- $20. The absolute best move they could do, if they didn't want to decrease the price that much would be to include a voucher for 1 free game of your choosing, either on the PSN network, or at a retail outlet.

Needs Backwards Compatibility. (4, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 years ago | (#28996265)

Unless it has PS2 game emulation, I have no reason whatsoever to upgrade to it from my 60GB model. A 60GB model which Yellow lighted and had to be repaired so I could save my saves. I'm still using the danm thing despite the imminent risk of another YLOD due solely to the fact that it plays PS2 games with upscaling. I don't want to go back to using a regular PS2 if I can help it. The difference is truly is like night and day.

If there's no PS2 backwards compatibility (and ffs PS1 game texture smoothing), I see no reason for prefering the model to the cheaper 80/160GBs.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (0)

Khyber (864651) | about 5 years ago | (#28996337)

How the hell did you get PS2 gaming to work on a 60GB model, when the only PS3 with PS2 capability was the older 80GB models and the newer 80GB ones have no PS2 capability at all?

Besides that, I agree - Sony advertised PS2 emulation capability but they've removed it. They need to bring it back before they get nailed with a slew of false advertising lawsuits.

He means the original 60GB one (4, Informative)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about 5 years ago | (#28996451)

Which is the one I have as well. The first 2 PS3's, the 20GB and 60GB both played PS2 games and both had the complete hardware to do so. (Newer PS3 were missing one of the big chips but still could pull it off. Current systems don't have any of the old PS2 hardware which is why they arn't BC.) Anyway I hope they put BC back in. (Either that or I hope my PS3 doesn't break as much as my 360.)

Re:He means the original 60GB one (1)

popeye44 (929152) | about 5 years ago | (#28996583)

Ya, I have an original 60gb "120 now" that had the emoticon? chip and natively plays ps2 games just fine. For my part I own a Wii, 360, and PS3. PS3 is my media center that I game on the 360 is my kids machine that does most of what my ps3 does but also wants me to pay to play.

My son will never have a purchased live account until he's 12 or older so it kind of sucks that some multiplayer features and demos are blocked. "I have a 30 day live account card but I almost never play on his system so why use it?"

While not everyone uses the blu-ray features I do.. but I use it for streaming HD video from my computer just as often.

I'm not a fan boy. I find all 3 systems to be a lot of fun depending on what you want to do. I like that sometimes the deals on 360 games are better so we buy more for it. However the ps3 exclusives have been a blast. inFamous is one kickass game.

I've read a few articles on the 360 coming to a point that the content will not fit on a single DVD which is going to be a seriously limiting problem. It already takes an inordinate amount of time for some content to load on both systems. The wii doesn't suffer from this.

Re:He means the original 60GB one (0, Offtopic)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 5 years ago | (#28997211)

That reason is the reason I have the Wii this generation, and the reason I had the Gamecube last generation. Nintendo actually cares about loading times. Nintendo does a really good job with their consoles, and creates many games that don't suffer from loading times. There was quite a few games for the GC that had loading times (Need For Speed: High Stakes), but that was due more to bad design than to limitations of the console. Plenty of games like Metroid had almost no noticeable loading time. Loading on consoles annoys me to no end. Maybe it's because I grew up on the Nintendo, but games that take minutes to load are not something I like to deal with.

Re:He means the original 60GB one (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 5 years ago | (#28997177)

Original PS2s are cheap and easy to come by. I a fat ps2 for $25 the other weekend at a garage sale. There's little point in backwards compatibility.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (3, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | about 5 years ago | (#28996603)

The only PS3s that have full PS2 BC are the original 20GB and 60GB. Some of the early 80GB versions had partial BC (they had the GPU in hardware but the CPU was emulated in software) but they didn't last long.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (1)

kramerd (1227006) | about 5 years ago | (#28996737)

ObsessiveMathsFreak did it the same way I did - by buying a 60 GB PS3 when they first came out, which includes PS2/PS1 emulation ability (you have to make a virtual memory card to save PS2/PS1 files before you start playing, something I noted 10 hours into playing FF VII). Initially, there were 20, 40, and 60 GB models. Then they discountinued the 20 GB and came out with an 80 GB. Now they have 80 GB and 160 GB, without the ability to play the older platforms. Of course, you can now buy a new PS2 for $100, which allows you to play PS1 games.

Sony will laugh at any false advertising lawsuit, because no one advertises features that don't exist. Literacy is a wonderful thing.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (1)

Troed (102527) | about 5 years ago | (#28997121)

"I agree - Sony advertised PS2 emulation capability but they've removed it"

What?

All the models that Sony said could play PS2 can do so. The models that cannot have never had any ads saying they could.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (1)

Ironsides (739422) | about 5 years ago | (#28996825)

I'm going to 2nd this one, except I'm not going to buy it for the first time unless they put the PS2 functionality back in. If I'm going to get a PS3, I want to replace my PS2 with it. I don't want to have to keep both around.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (1)

andre_pl (1607319) | about 5 years ago | (#28996873)

I bought my PS3 (40GB) fully expecting it to have PS2 B/C. (yes, I didn't do my homework, but I didn't think I had to. I never in a million years would have thought Sony would release a PS3 without making it backwards compatible.) Needless to say I was quite disappointed, I would be completely willing to pay more for a "deluxe" model of some kind that had B/C. (and maybe give me back the card reader and some more USB ports too) I have a friend that was going to buy a ps3 recently and decided against it when I informed him about the lack of B/C. I wonder rhow often something like that happens and how much its affecting PS3 Sales. Either way, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would not have bought their PS3's if had known in advance that they wouldn't be able to play their PS2 games on it.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 5 years ago | (#28996903)

Being on my 5th 360 and still on my launch PS3 means that your situation might be considered anomalous, and since the hardware is built better than the 360's... I think your PS3 will last for quite some time. So don't worry too much.

As for PS2 compatibility, I find myself simply using my PS2 (fat) rather than using PS3's upscaling (on everything except Pinball Hall of Fame... it looks GREAT smoothed). I don't know how the PS1 smoothing is on the newer models, though. I figure if the slim comes out soon, it will be positioned at a comparable level to the "Arcade" 360. It won't be $199, but it will have more base features than the Arcade model has. And since MS is phasing out their "pro" model... the only thing Sony has to compete with on the high end is the Elite. (And depending upon your perspective, it might be a tough sell with MS's brand so saturated right now, at least in North America.)

I truthfully don't know why I still support MS after 4 dead Elites (one died THE DAY it arrived back from the repair center)... ah well. :) YMMV.

Re:Needs Backwards Compatibility. (2, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 years ago | (#28997387)

Being on my 5th 360 and still on my launch PS3 means that your situation might be considered anomalous,

The YLOD is an unfortunately common problem on the 60GB models apparently. Other models are more reliable. Unfortunately, the 60GB model was one of the last which supported backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. Yoy.

I don't know how the PS1 smoothing is on the newer models, though.

No PS3 has ever supported texture smoothing for PS1 titles. It has supported HD upscaling, but that's hardly the same thing. The single best way to play PS1 games remains PS2 emulation with texture smoothing. Later PS1 games like Vagrant Story or Final Fantasy IX gain a whole new lease of life. I would liken it to the effects of the Super2xsai engine for 16 bit titles.

I truthfully don't know why I still support MS after 4 dead Elites

The biggest problem with dead consoles in the current generation is not the repair/replacement process. It's the loss of data. The current generation has moved to hard disc as the primary, and indeed sole method of saving game data of all forms. Unfortunately, they have also moved to full disc encryption as well.

When a PS3 or 360 goes belly up, sending it back for repair means losing your save date entirely. For someone who spends upwards of 200 hours on games they love to play, I can say this is a devastating blow. Losing those saves is like losing old notebooks. Something inside you dies.

The PS3 provides a backup utility, which must be run periodically to be of any use. But who wants to administer their games console like a web server? The current regime of keeping users saves under encryption keys, all while shipping units that go belly up with some frequency is a status quo that needs to change. Save cartridges may have been a pain in the ass, but at least they offer some degree of protection against total data loss.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996575)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Moon [wikipedia.org]

That reminds me, just downloaded the updated map pack yesterday .. need to go .. play .. now ..

Re:Do not want!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996699)

Global Warming pkg:
Current price for the low end PS3: $399
Current price for a ps3 game: $50
Total: $449

Green pkg:
Current price for Asus EEE pc 1000HA: $324
Current price for a good book: $50
Total: $374

Man I'm glad I got over console gaming when I was 15. Just saying.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996875)

I sense great fanboyism in you, troll.

Re:Do not want!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996791)

PS3 is still cheaper than buying a standalone BRay-player

Re:Do not want!! (2, Interesting)

ravenshrike (808508) | about 5 years ago | (#28997207)

Actually, there's a few models as cheap as the PS3. However, all the models comparable in performance are indeed much more expensive.

Re:Do not want!! (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 5 years ago | (#28996823)

Unless the price comes down to 360 levels. It's not like the PS3 has an exclusive I particularly want anyway.

Besides, this is just going to be another one of Sony's stupid box things that doesn't fucking do the thing it's goddamn fucking supposed to. Most of Sony's products are motherfucking time vampires anyway and are completely ass backwards as fuck, even if they do have more megabytes and megapixels than all the TV shit that I already have.

Yes, I shamelessly ripped off the ONN. [theonion.com]

Re:Do not want!! (1)

wakingrufus (904726) | about 5 years ago | (#28996881)

I own neither a 360 or a ps3, but if i were to get one, i see the ps3 as the cheaper option. once you factor in the wireless adapter for the 360 and the monthly fees for xbox live, it is the more expensive option.

$100 off (2, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28997009)

You can get $100 off a PS3 by applying for the Playstation credit card. When I did it, they gave me $150 off the 80 GB model, but apparently that deal has since expired.

http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/gateway/?offerlink=srnowps3 [sonyrewards.com]

Re:Do not want!! (4, Insightful)

nutshell42 (557890) | about 5 years ago | (#28997321)

I won't buy a 360 due to the way MS treats the PC. It's not so much that they no longer release anything for the PC (although it's funny that Sony seems to make more games for MS fucking Windows than MS), that's their right. It's the sheer hypocrisy. The way they tout their efforts to "enhance" PC gaming while even their head honchos admit that they want to kill it because they have more control over the 360 - not to mention that they get their cut of every game sold. (see here [shacknews.com] )

If you're a smug 360 owner and don't give a fsck about the PC then remember the fate of the original Xbox. Sony's keeping the PS2 around forever and they'll likely do the same with the PS3, you're still gonna get new games years after the PS4 launch. MS killed the Xbox immediatly after the 360 launch. Oh, they say it's gonna be different for the 360 because they don't have to pay intel and Nvidia etc etc, which brings us back to all the crap they spout about their support for PC games.

niggers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996101)

tailgaters are niggers, even if they appear white they are just albino niggers

Pay attention (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996175)

If that's true, why do they drink Budweiser instead of Colt 45?

I think you're lying to us.

Re:Pay attention (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996725)

Real niggers drink Olde E, not Colt 45.

Slim-ed down PS3? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996141)

Are the cost reductions statements about the current PS3 or the new slim? If it's the slim then no they aren't making money, they are just getting rid of inventory. Furthermore, they will probably make some money, but much of that will be offset by the reduction in price we can expect (I think $300 MSRP is probably a fine expectation).

I currently have a PS3 with BC and might consider trading up for one of these. I would like the smaller size and reduction in electricity usage and noise that should accompany it (smaller die, etc).

Overall I would expect this to help Sony's sales a bit. Even just the fact that it will look cooler and compact should help (Remember the new plastic coke bottle from years back?). The reduction is price will help more of course.

I've been very surprised the Xbox hasn't changed their systems design, seems like it could benefit from a redesign as well. Any rumors on that?

Re:Slim-ed down PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996303)

I've been very surprised the Xbox hasn't changed their systems design, seems like it could benefit from a redesign as well. Any rumors on that?

Yeah, no kidding. Especially considering it's still a very buggy hardware platform. Every single person I know that has a 360 has gone through at least 2 or 3 of them (some as many as 6 or 7!). They seem to fail very regularly even to this day.

If the last XBOX is anything to go by then we will not see a new 360. Microsoft doesn't seem to do that. They run with the old platform in its exact configuration until there is a whole new platform.

Re:Slim-ed down PS3? (1)

axedog (991609) | about 5 years ago | (#28996353)

Microsoft need to work on their overheating problems before they start on their console's aesthetic design. It beggars belief that new 360s still suffer from RROD. Sure, design flaws are often in products at release, but to do nothing about it and keep churning out the same shoddy goods for nigh on 4 years...? Bunch of cowboys!

Re:Slim-ed down PS3? (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28997065)

Very true, but it's not like Microsoft isn't trying to fix the issue. They tried to with Falcon chipset, which didn't work, and they just tried the Jasper chipset as well. It will be interesting to see if they ever manage to fix it. It will certainly gather my interest if they do.

When's the Yakuza 3 / Ryo go Gotoku 3 NA releas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996143)

So when will Ryu Ga Gotoku 3 be available subtitled in English? With the DLC? That's when I'll get a PS3, no sooner. Oh and Kenzan too.

Re:When's the Yakuza 3 / Ryo go Gotoku 3 NA relea (1)

Narishma (822073) | about 5 years ago | (#28996645)

Then you'll be waiting for a long time. With the poor sales of the previous Yakuza games in NA I doubt they'll bother to release this version.

give it Grand Central Dispatch (1)

teac77 (1152415) | about 5 years ago | (#28996291)

The Playstation 3 is a great machine -- I'm just not thrilled that they do not yet have backward compatibility with Playstation 2 games. Honestly, I want to play Shadow of the Colossus on the Playstation 3 with the new emulation technology http://kotaku.com/5304117/sony-patents-method-to-emulate-ps2-on-ps3 [kotaku.com] that will probably improve the straining frame rates in the game. If they were really serious about the new machine, they would adopt something similar to Grand Central Dispatch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6#Grand_Central_Dispatch [wikipedia.org] then they would get SO much more support from developers.

They had PS2 compatibility (1)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | about 5 years ago | (#28996345)

The original 80GB and 60GB PS3 units had PS2 game support with upscaling. Those motherfuckers at Sony decided to scrap it since PS2 consoles were still selling.

Re:They had PS2 compatibility (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 5 years ago | (#28996549)

I thought the embedded PS2 hardware was just a temporary solution, and they would eventually provide the same compatibility via software emulation. Anyone know what the current status of this is?

Re:They had PS2 compatibility (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996811)

No news as of yet. Unless Sony is bothering the emulate the (pain in the ass that is known as the) GPU inside of the PlayStation 2, they cannot go completely software. That's why the GPU was included inside of the PS3 at launch. They removed it to cut costs.

Re:They had PS2 compatibility (4, Interesting)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | about 5 years ago | (#28996865)

The current status is that Sony can't believe anybody actually fell for that bullshit.

Re:They had PS2 compatibility (1)

greg1104 (461138) | about 5 years ago | (#28996931)

It's true, there was a news report [theonion.com] on it recently.

Re:give it Grand Central Dispatch (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 5 years ago | (#28996409)

Just want to point out that early models releasted in Nov. 2006 had hardware support for PS2 games by embedding the the Emotion Engine CPU [wikipedia.org] into the PS3. The EE CPU is the same processor in the PS2.

I missed the boat on those, but I don't own any PS2 games so it wasn't a big deal to me. A good friend of mine managed to pick one up and had a large collection of PS2 games, and as far as I know hasn't had any issues with them not working.

Re:give it Grand Central Dispatch (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 5 years ago | (#28996625)

Are you just spouting random buzzwords? GCD works by combining thread pools with queues of closures. This is an absolutely terrible model for the Cell. If you'd said OpenCL, then you might not have sounded like you're just repeating terms that you heard someone else say to try to sound clever...

Citation Needed? (1)

Shaterri (253660) | about 5 years ago | (#28996729)

Despite waning console sales, orders for PS3-related hardware have risen sharply.

'related' is an odd word to see there; what 'PS3-related' hardware would this be, and where's the evidence for this random assertion? Is this meant to imply that Sony's suppliers are getting more orders for some of the hardware used to build the PS3 (which could mean more PS3s in the pipeline but could also be wholly unrelated), or just a consolist claim that Sony is doing better than its sales figures would indicate?

What it would take (4, Insightful)

snarfies (115214) | about 5 years ago | (#28996745)

1) Bring back HARDWARE emulation of the PS2. Not the software version (which isn't even offered anymore).

2) Drop the price.

That is all. Do that and I'll buy. Seriously.

Re:What it would take (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996787)

Seriously! I want to play the exclusives, like inFamous, Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone 2 and Ratchet and Clank. I really want a system. But $400 is way too much, no matter how many wonderful features are inside of it. I'll stick with my old PlayStation 2 until then.

Re:What it would take (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996849)

Dear prospective customer,

Thanks for your feedback!
How much will we have to lower the price to secure this one sale?

Sincerely interested,

Sony Corporation

P.S. Please, please, please get back to us!

Re:What it would take (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | about 5 years ago | (#28996967)

If the price was $250, I would get off my couch and buy one right now.

Re:What it would take (1)

Kokuyo (549451) | about 5 years ago | (#28997137)

So would I and I think we are not alone.

There are only a few games I really want and since God of War is among them, naturally I'm leaning towards the PS3. Problem is, if you only have two or three packaged games and another couple of downloadable ones that interest you, the average price per game becomes pretty steep.

Now I'm certainly not an average gamer. I'm still shedding a tear whenever I think of the nineties and I have very little interest in graphic fireworks. I seek catching gameplay and so far, I've only had very few games deliver for me.

The question now becomes, does Sony want me as a customer? That is a marketing decision, but if they do, a PS3 should cost no more than 250 for me. Frankly, I'd rather they put the card reader and backwards compatibility back in and rip out the BluRay player... (yes, I do realize that is nonsense since the effing games come on BluRay. All I want to say is I'd have beeen content with DVD media)

Re:What it would take (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 5 years ago | (#28997313)

Frankly, I'd rather they put the card reader and backwards compatibility back in and rip out the BluRay player... (yes, I do realize that is nonsense since the effing games come on BluRay. All I want to say is I'd have beeen content with DVD media)

I, for one, don't want to go back to the days of disc swapping, and the forced linearity that caused in RPG's. i.e. once you hit disc 2 you'll never see certain locations again. In the PS2 era there was a least one late PS2 RPG that had to use 2 discs for space reasons

Re:What it would take (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28996909)

1) Bring back HARDWARE emulation of the PS2. Not the software version (which isn't even offered anymore).

2) Drop the price.

That is all. Do that and I'll buy. Seriously.

Yeah, I never understood the reasoning behind dropping hardware emulation. The estimates I saw online back when the system cost $600 was that the emotion chip cost them an extra $50. So, they were selling a $550 console instead of a $600 one except that the $550 version is without the single most important feature of the playstation: backward compatibility. I'm pretty sure that if they had kept both versions around, most of their sales, small as they may be, would favor people spending the extra $50.

Sony needs to do a few things. They need to bring back hardware ps2 emulation, they need to force peripherals to use the bluetooth interface (dongle with rockband and guitar hero instruments are unacceptable), and they need to force compatibility of peripherals between all games (so the new guitars work with the ps1 and ps2 guitar hero games). Basically they need to ensure that every game, from the ps1, 2, and 3, work flawlessly and inter-operate with all peripherals.

Re:What it would take (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28996987)

There have been reports that the software emulaation works better, so I'm not sure we need the hardware emulation.

A price drop is a must. However, what many people weren't aware of is that Sony was doing a deal if you applied for the Playstation credit card, you got $150 off a PS3. When I purchased my second PS3, I did it through that deal and paid $250 for a PS3, which is the same price as a Wii, for an 80 GB model. That was a pretty good deal.

Re:What it would take (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28997075)

It's quite likely they will bring it back via software.
http://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/29/sony-patents-emotion-engine-emulation-technology-for-cell-processors/ (sorry, too lazy to embed)

With software, you have to POTENTIAL benefit of better AA and REAL upscaling resolution by utilizing extra power remaining in the processor. It's funny though, because I bought the original 60gb (even camped in line for it) and I haven't touched a ps2 game for 2 years. There are a bunch of really good ps3 games, and the PSN bite-sized games have given me TONS of gaming time for the dollar. If I was to do it again, I'd buy the cheaper one that uses less power/puts out less heat.

Re:What it would take (1)

Dremth (1440207) | about 5 years ago | (#28997181)

This is what I don't understand... I have an 80GB PS3 that can play PS2 games just fine on the latest firmware (2.80), but everyone keeps saying they took out the ability to play PS2 games.

Re:What it would take (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#28997183)

Bring back HARDWARE emulation of the PS2.

There is a $100 accessory that will add PlayStation 2 emulation to any PLAYSTATION 3 console.

Re:What it would take (0, Troll)

Hatta (162192) | about 5 years ago | (#28997213)

There is a $30 accessory that will add Playstation 2 support to any console. A Playstation 2.

Backwards Compatibility (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 5 years ago | (#28996961)

There have been people who have hacked debug/service modes on the console showing backwards compatibility tests on the current hardware. And there was a European version that had backwards compatibility via software emulation.

Is there any good reason to disable this and keep it from consumers paying big bucks for the hardware?

My daughter broke my first PS3, so I have purchased two of them. I like the hardware. I really do. But I feel Sony is holding out on me.

Mornelithe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#28997273)

MS hasn't tried to fix the issue, they simply renamed it in a FW update to E-74. Hence the reason why E-74 errors are now covered by the extended warranty.

Meh. Still no price cut, still no BC (2, Interesting)

Millennium (2451) | about 5 years ago | (#28997365)

Even if the Slim materializes, I strongly believe that it will retail for the same price as the current PS3 (which may get a fire-sale price just to get rid of the things). Sony can't afford any other move with all the red ink they're bleeding; they need to start making money now, and a Slim can only provide them a profit if the cost savings from making it are not passed on to consumers.

I also doubt there will be any BC. While it would provide the PS3 with a source of good games -its own predecessors- Sony's own arrogance will block the move. They've spent too much time arguing that people don't want to play older games anymore.

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