×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Microsoft, Nokia Team To Add Mobile Office Apps To Phones

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the just-where-you-want-them dept.

Cellphones 154

CWmike writes "On the same day a court banned sales of Microsoft Office for PCs, Microsoft and Nokia said they are working together to put Microsoft Office on Nokia handsets. It's a move that should give Microsoft leverage against Google and others that are attacking its Office business with free or low-priced Web apps. The aim of the deal is to bring an application called Microsoft Office Mobile to Nokia's Symbian devices, they said. They will also do the same for other Microsoft communications, collaboration and device-management software. The applications will be available first on Nokia's E-series phones, but eventually will extend to other Nokia handsets. The Microsoft-Nokia deal brings two competitors together, but could spell the end of Windows Mobile. Gartner analyst Nick Jones said he is becoming 'more concerned' about the future for Windows Mobile and added in a blog today that Windows Mobile 7 could be Microsoft's last update of the product."

cancel ×
This is a preview of your comment

No Comment Title Entered

Anonymous Coward 1 minute ago

No Comment Entered

154 comments

So much for ... (2, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 4 years ago | (#29042925)

... the Death of MS Word [slashdot.org]

this fr1$7 p0$7 for gnaa and steve jobz (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043067)

frist psot for gnaa gay nigger association of america and steve jobz

Re:So much for ... (4, Interesting)

mollog (841386) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043507)

For many years, Microsoft has had the nasty habit of breaking their own software and data formats to force customers to upgrade. It seems that corporations are finally pushing back and refusing the upgrade cycle. This was happening on a large scale with XP, mostly because Vista required a hardware upgrade, and because the 'upgrade' cycle happening during a time of budget tightening.

Really, Microsoft has been cannibalizing their own business for profits. They don't have the ability to innovate and they have been resorting to forcing upgrades on their customers to maintain revenue. It's too bad, they had a lot of money and they were in the best position to leverage their strategic position to branch into new businesses. But, they didn't have the ability to invest the money in new technology and make it pay.

So many obvious opportunities simply slipped through Microsoft's fingers. They could have owned browsing, searching and the internet in general, they could have taken over business software, they could have owned gaming. Microsoft, like GM, seems to have gotten too big without redefining themselves.

The end of Microsoft will be good for software development and for consumers. Microsoft has been a tax on computing and a hindrance to innovation. Windows 7 should be the end.

Re:So much for ... (2, Insightful)

PRMan (959735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044303)

Actually Windows 7 seems quite innovative. I am really liking it, and I hated Vista.

Re:So much for ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29045011)

Then you're a retard, because they're basically the same thing.

Re:So much for ... (0, Troll)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045015)

Actually Windows 7 seems quite innovative. I am really liking it, and I hated Vista.

They're borrowing a lot from Apple, but yeah, I agree, Windows 7 has got a few things to brag about for XP users that haven't upgraded to Vista. I'm plesantly surprised and happy. It was a very good move of Microsoft to provide a free year-long trial version.

Re:So much for ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29045381)

Waldorf: Actually, I hope Windows 7 is much more innovative than Vista.

Statler: More innovative?

Waldorf: Yeah, I hope it will innovate in being the last one!

W & S: LOL!

Re:So much for ... (4, Informative)

Zak3056 (69287) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045479)

For many years, Microsoft has had the nasty habit of breaking their own software and data formats to force customers to upgrade.

Citation needed.

The standard office file formats (i.e. doc, xls, etc) were the same from Office 97 to Office 2003. The Office 2007 file formats (docx, xlsx, etc) are readable and writable by Office 2000 or later. Contrast this with a company like Autodesk, where the file formats change every three years (in a thinly disguised attempt to sell upgrades) and I find it hard to agree with the statement you make above.

Re:So much for ... (2, Informative)

jhol13 (1087781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29047389)

The standard office file formats (i.e. doc, xls, etc) were the same from Office 97 to Office 2003.

No they were not. I still remember how Office 97 could not read all files created by Office 2003.

Re:So much for ... (4, Informative)

dhavleak (912889) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045533)

That's a whole truck load of BS you just posted there my friend.

For many years, Microsoft has had the nasty habit of breaking their own software and data formats to force customers to upgrade.

If anything, MS bends over backwards to maintain backwards compatibility. Vista was their first OS in which you couldn't run DOS apps (at least w/o third party s/w). Office 2k7 is completely able to consume/publish in Office 2k3 formats. Office 2k3 is completely able to consume/publish in Office 2k7 formats. 64-bit Vista and 64-bit Win7 can still run your 32-bit Windows apps. Office 2k3, Office 2k7, Vista, Win2k3, WS08, XP etc. are all still supported (some are past their 5-year mainstream support lifecycles but are in extended support). What the hell are you talking about???

This was happening on a large scale with XP, mostly because Vista required a hardware upgrade, and because the 'upgrade' cycle happening during a time of budget tightening.

Prove it. You're running your mouth off in a public forum so be prepared to back your claims up. Large scale? Because of a hardware upgrade? Time of budget tightening? And MS considered all the factors when designing for Vista? References please!!

Really, Microsoft has been cannibalizing their own business for profits.

Nothing insightful there -- when you own 90+% of the market, you are your own biggest competitor. But cannibalizing? Please explain? They were eating their own sales to get more of their own sales? That doesn't even make sense!

they have been resorting to forcing upgrades

How did they force people to upgrade? References? Sources? Anything? Did they hold a gun to someone's head? Did they prematurely curtail the mainstream support of some product? Did they decide to forego an extended support lifecycle of some product? What on god's green earth are you talking about??

The end of Microsoft will be good for software development and for consumers.

There's absolutely no proof / logic by which you can make that claim definitively. No matter what you say, there will be counter-arguments that can be made. So understand that your view is simply colored by your MS hatred.

Microsoft has been a tax on computing and a hindrance to innovation.

This is slashdot, so I guess you'll get modded +5 Insightful for this kind of unsubstantiated drivel..

Windows 7 should be the end.

???

You should be the one to decide that right?...

Just because you hate MS for some irrational reasons, doesn't mean they will stop trying their best. If you dislike Windows, you have other options that you can exercise. But pretending that Windows is somehow broken or a dying product is, well, typical slashdot trolling.

Re:So much for ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29045793)

Microsoft has had the nasty habit of breaking their own software and data formats to force customers to upgrade

Really? I've been using XP for longer than any other software product I care to remember.
Regarding formats (and this is a piss poor example), it looks like the ol' classic ".doc" format has lasted longer than anyone likes to admit. I remember finding an old floppy disk a couple of months back, with a couple of documents on it. Probably Word '97 docs, and opened fine in Word '07

because the 'upgrade' cycle happening during a time of budget tightening.

Nope. Vista was released prior to the credit crunch, not afterwards.

They don't have the ability to innovate

Office 2007's ribbon is/was fairly innovative. Now everyone including OO.o are copying. I'm not saying MS are great, but I give them credit it where it's due.
Sure, learning the ribbon took sometime, but it's a huge improvement. The previous menus style looks archaic to me know.

they didn't have the ability to invest the money in new technology and make it pay

Are you just pulling these facts out of your arse? MS, a software company, have worked their way into many living rooms with the Xbox.

They could have owned browsing, searching and the internet in general,

Browsing - IE has the majority of the market share, and has done so for too long.
Searching - Google knocked everyone's socks-off when they blew-up. There's been no serious competition in searching for years, except for MS' new drive with Bing.
Internet - how on earth does anyone get to "own" the net. Any company which tries to pin down the net, will get shot.

Windows 7 should be the end.

Year of the Linux desktop soon?

The Slashdot death-spiral (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045877)

Microsoft has been cannibalizing their own business for profits. They don't have the ability to innovate and they have been resorting to forcing upgrades on their customers to maintain revenue.
they could have taken over business software

Slashdot and reality are perilously close to a permanent disconnect:

"SharePoint is saving Microsoft's Office business even as it paves the way for a new era of Microsoft lock-in," said Matt Asay, an executive at Alfresco, which makes an open-source content management system. "It is simultaneously the most interesting and dangerous Microsoft technology, and has largely caught its competitors napping." Microsoft's SharePoint Thrives in the Recession [nytimes.com] , Slow down, cowboy [slashdot.org]

With the next version of Office, Microsoft is trying to expand* its desktop hold on the productivity market into one that spans the PC, Web, and phone, and the Nokia deal is seen as a significant move in that last category.
The software maker has already said that, with the next version of Office, it plans to offer browser-based versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and OneNote. Those programs will be able to run inside Safari and Firefox in addition to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. That means that Office, for the first time, will run on Linux-based machines.
Although Nokia and Microsoft have long been rivals in the phone business, the two have also struck deals at times. Nokia already has a license that allows its phones to connect to Exchange Servers using Microsoft's ActiveSync protocol. In 2007, Microsoft also struck a deal with Nokia to have Windows Live services run on the Finnish company's phones.
Microsoft, Nokia plan mobile Office deal [cnet.com]

*-emphasis added.

Re:So much for ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043643)

where''s my mod points, niggers? i haven't had them in weeks! jesus mother fucking christ.

teleboot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29042933)

all future phones will use teleboot in order to get into the cloud

Microsoft and Nokia? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29042955)

Should turn out to be a nice story of two brothers: Cain and Abel.

Re:Microsoft and Nokia? (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046979)

It seems that Nokia could play both of the brothers, actually. It seems to have a strange multiple personality thing whereby it buys Qt, opens it up more, encourages open source, and then jumps into bed with MS (again, if I recall correctly). An interesting attempt to be all things to all people.

usability (3, Insightful)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#29042961)

Can anyone even imagine creating a serious document on any cellphone? That would be hellish.

Re:usability (2, Insightful)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043003)

If voice recognition worked...

Re:usability (2, Informative)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043529)

If voice recognition worked...

Or handwriting recognition.

Yeah, I know, I know, tablet PCs (or whatever the latest buzzword for them is) have been the Next Big Thing for twenty years now. But sooner or later we will have handheld phones/computers (whatever buzzword they're calling them at that point) which will be able to translate regular handwriting into text as reliably as typing the same text on a keyboard. Faster than dictation, and a hell of a lot more private. Doing this on a device the size of most of the common smartphones would be quite comfortable, I think.

Re:usability (5, Insightful)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043703)

If voice recognition worked...

Or handwriting recognition.

By my calculations, we'll get handwriting recognition just about at the point computer keyboards will have killed everybody's ability at handwriting.

Re:usability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043985)

Why would you want it? Even an on-screen thumb keyboard like the one on the iPhone is significantly faster than writing.

Re:usability (1, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044013)

Not for Chinese characters. Since Chinese is going to be the dominant language for business worldwide in a few decades, this is a pretty important concern.

Re:usability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044139)

Thank heavens I won't be in worldwide business in a few decades... sounds like it will be all about theft, piracy, death camps and state censorship.

-1, Failtard (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044171)

Chinese input is done using pinyin, which *gasp* uses a tradational keyboard. It's hilariously faster to type Chinese using pinyin input vs. hand writing. I mean sickengly, stupidly, mind boggingly faster to the point that it's not even negotiable: anyone who claims otherwise is lying or doesn't know what they're talking about (e.g. the above poster).

Re:usability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044483)

Windows 7's handwriting recognition is actually quite phenomenal. And the interface to deal with corrections is gesture based and fluid. If only they could shrink that down.

The main drawback of handwriting recognition on a phone is the screen width. you really only have space for one or two short words before stopping or going down the screen.

Re:usability (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046019)

snip...

But sooner or later we will have handheld phones/computers (whatever buzzword they're calling them at that point) which will be able to translate regular handwriting into text as reliably as typing the same text on a keyboard.

But by then, it will be too late [slashdot.org] .!

Re:usability (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043625)

If voice recognition worked...

...then you'd have to worry about bystanders telling your computer what to do.

Re:usability (3, Insightful)

morghanphoenix (1070832) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043891)

I've lost track of how many times I've been on one of those automated call systems that used voice recognition only to have my daughter cry in the background and select the wrong option for me.

Re:usability (2, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043151)

Can anyone even imagine creating a serious document on any cellphone?

Yes. I've even occasionally done it; sure, I wouldn't want to do too detailed layout on a smartphone, but most "serious" documents don't need a lot more than a text editor with the ability to put basic structural features (multilevel headings, mostly, and maybe some tables) for most of the work you do with them (i.e., everything you do while its in the "working draft" phase.) Sure, to finalize something, for certain audiences, you may want to get in the weeds with tweaking the styles and layout, but that's not most of the work.

You don't want to do heavy work on a smartphone, but both for initial creation (which is often at an outline level), and for doing on-the-go text revisions to serious documents that are in the "working draft" stage, its not a horrible platform, and it has the advantage that your phone is more likely to be with you whenever you have an update you want to make than, say, your laptop (and much more likely than your desktop).

I'd rather work on a document on my home desktop with my 20" monitor, which is great for two-page editing. But I'd rather have the ability to edit a document when all I have with me is my phone than not at all.

Re:usability (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043461)

Say what? Can we try that with a little closer touch with reality?

What you are referring to is not creating a serious document, it is the same as editing a SMS message. This is not synonymous with what we are referring to by serious document editing. An "outline" done on a phone properly involves some hefy processing and is not something that can be done easily without a mouse or touchscreen/hauptics.

That could be as simple as positioning of a clipart or attaching a spreadsheet to a word doc, neither of those which are likely to be very functional on the average T9 cellphone (on the business phones with full keypads/enterprise software, touchscreens, or an iphone, or a G1, the solutions already exist). This is why this nokia-microsoft partnership is just a redundancy, and why people won't care in the long run.

Re:usability (4, Informative)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044203)

This is a news story about bringing Microsoft Office to business Symbian smartphones made by Nokia. Most of the E-Series referenced in the story have keyboards and look like Blackberries.

This is not about your average T9 cellphone.

Re:usability (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044773)

Say what? Can we try that with a little closer touch with reality?

You mean abstract speculation has a greater touch with reality than, you know, actually having done something in reality?

What you are referring to is not creating a serious document, it is the same as editing a SMS message.

Strange, the actual serious documents I've actually done it with were nothing like SMS messages.

An "outline" done on a phone properly involves some hefy processing and is not something that can be done easily without a mouse or touchscreen/hauptics.

No, it doesn't.

That could be as simple as positioning of a clipart or attaching a spreadsheet to a word doc, neither of those which are likely to be very functional on the average T9 cellphone (on the business phones with full keypads/enterprise software, touchscreens, or an iphone, or a G1, the solutions already exist). This is why this nokia-microsoft partnership is just a redundancy, and why people won't care in the long run.

The solutions that already exist aren't Microsoft solutions (except on WinMobile phones), which may not make a difference to some users, but will make a difference to others. Admittedly, I think the people that are going to care are (1) Nokia, (2) Big firms that have a policy of preferring Microsoft product for general use, and (3) All the companies making money selling works-with-office mobile solutions now that are going to have to compete with Microsoft to keep doing that.

Re:usability (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043849)

My smartphone is way more powerful than my desktop computer from 10 years ago. That's not the point. My desktop computer has the same sized keyboard that my 10 year old one had, except that it is connected to the computer by USB rather than a 5 pin AT connector; whereas my smartphone has a tiny keyboard where it is impossible to touch type.

Re:usability (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045027)

Ever try one of those small (or large one if you do not mind carrying it around) blue tooth keyboards? I have seen a few people using them and it worked OK. I have big hands, on that small keyboard I was touch typing again.

Re:usability (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046059)

whereas my smartphone has a tiny keyboard where it is impossible to touch typ

You'd be surprised, assuming you have a full QWERTY with a decent "feel" to it. I get 40-60wpm on my blackberry and have used it for some "serious" documents. I doubt it technically qualifies as touch typing -- you can't really look at the screen without seeing the keyboard directly below it -- but the point becomes moot if you can type at a satisfactory speed.

Re:usability (3, Insightful)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043439)

The primary use of this is for reading and annotating.

However, many cell phones now have screens like 800x350 or 800x480 and allow full (folding) Bluetooth keyboards to be used with the phone; that kind of setup isn't all that different from a netbook.

Re:usability (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043605)

many cell phones now have screens like 800x350 or 800x480

Yep. That's more pixels than my first laptop, and I wrote novels on that thing. GPP's idea that they're somehow inherently unusable for large document creation strikes me as very odd.

Re:usability (1)

Stevecrox (962208) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043859)

During university I used a variety of Windows Mobile 2003 and Windows Mobile 5 phones with a bluetooth keyboard to take notes during class. Sure those notes were not perfectly formatted, but they were very usefull.

Doing things this way had two major advantages:
Cheap laptops tended to be stupidly heavy then and a 140gram phone with 20 gram keyboard is small enough to fit in a coat pocket.
The second and by far the most important advantage was the poor typsetting capability of pocket word forced me to spend an hour each evening transferring my notes into a decent word document. My notes tended to be the most comprehensive in the class because I took that extra time in the evenings (helped me learn the material as well).

There are other reasons as well, but are difficult to describe. An example of what I mean from my current nokia is GPS. I've never used GPS and I have a good sense of direction, but because its there on the phone I've used it hundreds of times and got real value from it.

For most situations Pocket word is beyond useless, but document writing on a cell phone has uses.

Re:usability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044131)

I take all of my class notes on my Nokia cell phone. But, I use a bluetooth keyboard.

Re:usability (1)

michaelhood (667393) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044531)

I have read many excel sheets, edited, and even created some basic ones on my phone. Been doing it for years.

Re:usability (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045235)

Can anyone even imagine creating a serious document on any cellphone? That would be hellish.

No but I can imagine updating spreadsheets from my phone. Mainly because I've done it before. You have no idea how badly I ache for Google Docs to work as nicely on my iPhone as it does on my computer.

Re:usability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29045839)

Can anyone even imagine creating a serious document in Microsoft Word? That would be hellish.

There, fixed that for you.

What's the big deal? (4, Interesting)

fewnorms (630720) | more than 4 years ago | (#29042991)

Seriously, someone explain to me why this is such a big deal? The announcement was made a few days ago that a joint announcement was forthcoming, and this is all they have? I seriously don't get it. I used to own a Nokia Communicator 9300i back in the day that was fully able to edit word and excel documents. Ok, not the most complicated ones, but the apps got the job done pretty well. This was at least 3 years ago by now.
Whooptiedoo! We can now edit files on the go! (sound familiar?)
What am I missing here?

Re:What's the big deal? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043885)

Microsoft branding and their knowledge of the bullshit they've built into the format so that more documents can work correctly, instead of just your "not the most complicated ones"

Re:What's the big deal? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045351)

It works on-line, as opposed to off-line like most phones that support Office docs do. It's a big deal because it means you can make changes to a document without having to go through a sync operation for those changes to be reflected back at home base. The changes are, for lack of a better term, instantaneous. Any company that uses spreadsheets, for example, would potentially find this rather interesting.

If your Nokia Communicator's editing Office docs like Google's Docs, then tell me now so I can buy one.

Uh ho (2, Funny)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043007)

"Hi! I'm Crappy, your personal handset buddy. I noticed you pressed a number on your phone keypad. It looks like you're trying to make a call. Would you like me to continue to interfere with this even though you almost certainly know what you want to do?".

Odd move for Microsoft... (2, Interesting)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043025)

I sure wouldn't make a strategic move that hinges on Symbian coming out on top of the mobile OS market.

Re:Odd move for Microsoft... (2, Interesting)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044575)

Re:Odd move for Microsoft... (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044885)

I do believe Nokia is moving towards maemo and away from symbian, however, the idea of microsoft putting together a program for linux to read MS based docs, is sorta hard to believe. A part of me thinks that one day MS will give up the ghost and embrace Linux as a platform for its still proprietary closed source products. A different part of me thinks the other part of me is crazy.

Re:Odd move for Microsoft... (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044911)

If that is indeed the ultimate objective, the partner situation just got far more interesting than at fist glance...Mobile Office support for a Linux based mobile OS seems like a more reasonable finish line than trying to get in bed with Symbian.

Re:Odd move for Microsoft... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046633)

"Coming out"? Symbian is already on top, shipping on more than 50% of smartphones, and has been for a long time.

If anything they bet it won't tank (which in itself is weird of course...)

The usual Gartner nonsense (2, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043041)

Gartner analyst Nick Jones said he is becoming "more concerned" about the future for Windows Mobile and added in a blog today that Windows Mobile 7 could be Microsoft's last update of the product."

What an idiotic statement. MS doesn't give up markets that easily (unfortunately). They'll have a windows mobile OS if they have to start building their own phones to sell it.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (0, Redundant)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043281)

Hey, its Gartner!
How could it possibly be anything other than idiotic?

The only question when Gartner is involved is figuring out who the PAYING client is.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (2, Interesting)

awitod (453754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043627)

It wouldn't surprise me if he's right about this. I have a lot of friends who work for Microsoft in various divisions and I can say without a doubt that the rank and file of Microsoft considers Windows Mobile to be an embarrassment. They've done a piss-poor job with the platform for years now and everyone knows it.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043781)

I have a lot of friends who work for Microsoft in various divisions and I can say without a doubt that the rank and file of Microsoft considers Windows Mobile to be an embarrassment.

I don't doubt that this is true, but surely it's just as true of many other Microsoft products including most releases of Windows for the desktop. Releasing crappy products has never, AFAIK, kept Microsoft out of a market they really want to be in -- and I guarantee they want to be in this one, given that the smartphone market is going to keep growing rapidly for some time to come. They keep releasing versions and either eventually get it kind-of right (Office, Xbox) or just count on the "nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft" mentality to generate enough sales to keep it profitable (SQL Server, Windows again). Yet they do, in fact, employ a lot of very smart people who are capable of judging the quality of these products ... but who presumably, especially in the current economy, consider a steady paycheck to be worth the embarrassment of telling other people who they work for.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043881)

Problem is that nobody every got fired for buying Blackberry either.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044233)

Nobody got fired for buying WordPerfect either.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

awitod (453754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046277)

You must not remember WordPerfect 5.0. That version had a lot to do with the rapidly growing popularity of Microsoft Word in the early 90's.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

awitod (453754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29046291)

You have a point, but the problem with what you are saying is that all of the examples you give had increasing market share with each version and also made money.

Re:The usual Gartner nonsense (1)

mollog (841386) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043787)

[Microsoft will] have a windows mobile OS if they have to start building their own phones to sell it.

So, the question would be; what are they waiting for? Mobile OS's are springing up left and right and Microsoft has no market share. Obviously, they can't deliver.

Windows Mobile has fans, community (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044829)

Thanks to iPhone, Windows Mobile now has fans too. You know, iPhone policies, app store made both Symbian and Windows Mobile some kind of "freedom OS".

I haven't heard anything bad about Windows Mobile for a long time and it is a first in Windows operating systems. No security scandal happened too.

Don't tell me that "analyst" at Garner doesn't have a clue about Silverlight coming to Nokia phones. It was announced year or more ago. Not Moonlight, the Silverlight.

With Office announcement and the fact that Silverlight beginning to tie to .NET platform, it seems .NET itself is coming to Symbian. Of course, it doesn't have to be visible to end user or even other developers. I wonder if MS finally understood what "framework" , "runtime" means and where World is heading to?

No big deal (2, Insightful)

da_matta (854422) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043059)

Considering that ActiveSync is already the number one mail solution in Nokia (E-series) devices and they have for a long time included office viewers, I don't really thinks this is anything that major. Nokia recognises that Office & Exchange are a necessity for their business customers and want to support that. Microsoft on the other hand would bring Office to Android if that would further their Office-business. If anything, Nokia is trying to get advantage over iPhone as a corporate phone.

And Nokia may even release WinMO model (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29045077)

One of the issues with Nokia's customers is: They demand official, Microsoft solution if they are Windows based.

I remember reading on The Register that Nokia stated they MAY release a Windows Mobile smart phone and it should have no effect on their future with Symbian. The main reason was that.

Customer runs exchange server, ms office, win 2k03 server and goes to buy Asus Windows Mobile (like thousands of them) while Nokia is superior and could even run/sync better. Why? Because Asus has Windows Mobile OS.

Same deal with Blackberry you know. All Nokia and SE pro phones have perfect blackberry support, even coming free and yet they go and buy that weird hardware.

user interface ? (3, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043077)

Uh? Who in their right mind would even want to use office on a mobile phone? The UI is bad as it is on a full-size PC.

Seriously, a lot of these "tools" are just crap for middle management that for some reason feels empowered when they can do the secretaries job, just worse.

Re:user interface ? (2, Informative)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043479)

Uh? Who in their right mind would even want to use office on a mobile phone? The UI is bad as it is on a full-size PC.

"Here is your travel itinerary in Microsoft Word format."

"Here is the almost-final proposal; could you please have a look and mark (with a "*") any items that we need to discuss?"

"Let me give you a 1-minute run through our presentation; I have the slides on my phone."

Re:user interface ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043677)

"Here is your travel itinerary in Microsoft Word format."

This is a good one. Often times when I travel I throw a copy of my airline information, the city's subway schedule, etc on my phone for spot reference.

Re:user interface ? (4, Insightful)

tholomyes (610627) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043767)

"Here is your travel itinerary in Microsoft Word format."

Can you just give it to me as plaintext instead?

Re:user interface ? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043973)

Unfortunately, this message reached you via e-mail (thanks to your fancy schmancy smartphone) and the person who sent it is out of the office.

The truth is that there's a large number of phones with office on them already...

Re:user interface ? (4, Informative)

dubbreak (623656) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044625)

Can you just give it to me as plaintext instead?

Nope. I send all important email messages as blank body with a Word attachment! If I can't be bothered to copy and paste do you think I'm going covert something to plaintext just for you? I don't even know how to do that and don't have time to learn. Much too busy. Much much too busy.

Re:user interface ? (2, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043505)

I keep several spreadsheets of network and rack configuration information on my Nokia phone. Helps when I'm off site and need to lookup specs on a server. That way I can also make updates on the spot when I have to change an IP etc.

Re:user interface ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043555)

Personally, I have found it to be a VERY useful app to have handy. I have Office Mobile on my phone (Motorola Q9) and have often used it to open up a Word or Excel doc attached to an email for reference during a meeting. Quite nice.

Re:user interface ? (1)

Compuser (14899) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043559)

I would love to. What I want is full Powerpoint (or even a greatly improved Powerpoint viewer) on a mobile phone, complete with the ability to play back movies (and install codecs of course) and multiple animations and transitions and to output it to 1024x768 projector via VGA connector. Right now I have to carry a laptop to conferences if I am giving a talk there. With NVidia's Ion platform, netbooks are getting to the point of being usable for my needs. But I would love to just bring a cell phone. A bit more software and a few more rounds of hardware upgrades and we may get there.

Re:user interface ? (2, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044689)

This isn't really about new, practicality functionality but more about stopping the bleeding. Windows Mobile is losing ground to Apple, RIM, Android, and Symbian. "Pay no attention to those others platforms! Ours now has Office and a new hat!" The problem is anyone who has used Office on Windows Mobile realize it isn't very practical. Most of it has to do that Office isn't really designed for a mobile platform with the limitations in UI--the limitations not being you can't do it on a mobile device but that you can't do it very well.

Typical M$ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29043213)

A day late, and dollar short. M$ has been reactionary for a while now. They don't innovate shit anymore.

What do you mean? (2, Insightful)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043401)

This sounds like they had done something innovative in the past. If you really believe that, than please enlighten me of what that might have been. I'm dying to know.

Copying from others, repackaging it in a user friendly manner and subversively bringing OEM's to install it on all new machines does not count. I mean something technical in their core business.

doesn't the iphone do this already? (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043231)

The only use for this that I could envision is providing read-only access to a Office files (I know I wouldn't have the patience to write Office docs on my phone...writing an email is bad enough). In that case, can't the iPhone already do this?

They're fightin RIM (3, Informative)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043243)

According to this Link [cnet.com] , the claim is that they want to battle Balckberry's RIM.

Re:They're fightin RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044143)

You mean RIM's Blackberry right.

put a server on a cellphone, too (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043319)

ridiculous. the only thing that's good for is to carry a document into a meeting with. last I heard, any laptop or tablet with a wi-fi card will do the job, and plug into the projector or printer, too.

I guess then (1)

Skiron (735617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043409)

You will need a new Nokia with 10,000 buttons on it to use all the crap MS office has (that 99.9% of people don't use).

Let alone 16GB of memory for a 'hello darling, I will home soon' txt msg.

Um... ok, but my Nokia already has office apps. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043425)

Um... ok, but my Nokia already has office apps from several different vendors.

Has for years in fact, even reads & writes the Microsoft Office (tm)(r)(c) documents.

Not sure what gap this is supposed to fill.

Not for creation (1)

goldfishbrains (703767) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043441)

but I might use it to read an attachment. I'm constantly getting attachments in emails: if I'm only on my mobile, and the attachment is a PDF, I can read it in Acrobat. If it's a Word or Powerpoint, I have to switch the laptop on (if I have it with me). Actually, I could imaging proofing a .doc and making minor changes while travelling on one of the newer phones (like N97) that has a slide out keyboard and a decent size screen - as long as all the menus hide when not needed.

That's odd (1)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043449)

Because I was just reading about Symbian being cancelled [engadget.com] .

Re:That's odd (2, Insightful)

Mulder3 (867389) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043691)

That doesn't mean anything, Symbian will probably die some time in the future, but not Series60(witch is nokia UI ontop of Symbian) Symbian^4 will move away from that ugly C++ API an will be completely based on QT framework and will break the binary compatibility with previous series60/symbain (http://blog.symbian.org/2009/04/30/reviewing-the-release-plan) This means that Series60 will be based on QT as well, so they can easily move to a Linux platform if they want... (and break the binay compatibility again in the process, but nokia doesn't have any problem with that, they do it regularly)

Re:That's odd (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043727)

From your link :

Update: As Reggie has pointed out in the comments, Peter Schneider, Nokia's Maemo marketing guru, has put the brakes on this rumor via Twitter. "No, Nokia is not replacing Symbian with Maemo. Symbian and Maemo will continue to coexist." So much for intrigue, and romance.

Symbian has a release roadmap all the way to 2011 [symbian.org] . It's also open source now, so it will be updated for as long as there's a community interested in keeping it alive.

Seriously?... (4, Insightful)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 4 years ago | (#29043845)

If you want/need to type a Word doc or Excel spreadsheet on your damn phone then put down the phone, quit the ridiculous job that is consuming your life, and go enjoy life. A tiny screen and keyboard is no way to go through life, son.

I guess I am throwing in the towel on my geek cred here, but seriously as many IT jobs as I've had and this has never been a need (or want).

Re:Seriously?... (3, Insightful)

PaddyM (45763) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044577)

I guess you've never seen the tv out feature that normally comes with nokia phones.

Don't forget keyboard (4, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044897)

Well, you forgot to tell that any bluetooth keyboard (Apple preferred for fun) can be "plugged" to Nokia smart phones to use as input, adding more to shock.

Oh (for iPhone users), no hack needed. Nokia advertises the driver/app themselves and gives free.
 

Re:Seriously?... (2, Informative)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 4 years ago | (#29044937)

Wow, you're actually defending this by trying to say hooking up your cell phone to a TV is a viable solution? So if you are near a TV, and have the requisite cables... you can then output your Office files and still have a tiny keyboard. Brilliant! Or not.

What could be so pressing that you have no laptop, or access to a computer, yet you have a cell phone, proprietary AV cables, and a TV. This is some alternate reality isn't it?

Re:Seriously?... (1)

XMode (252740) | more than 4 years ago | (#29048079)

No no.. You can also use a bluetooth keyboard with most nokia phones now. So all you need to do is carry around a full sized keyboard, a smallish LCD TV and all the cables and you can use your phone to edit documents! Nokia's next innovation will be a device that is small enough to sit on your lap and contains the 'TV' and keyboard built in so then you wont have to worry about the cables either!

On a more serious note. I have an E65 and I can ALREADY view and edit word and excel files on it. I don't because I also have an eeepc and can use the phone as a tether to the internet and use openoffice on a much bigger screen..

Re:Seriously?... (1)

Man Eating Duck (534479) | more than 4 years ago | (#29048007)

I guess you've never seen the tv out feature that normally comes with nokia phones.

As opposed to bringing a laptop, you suggest bringing a TV set and a generator to use with your phone? Impressive.
May I interest you in this handy and accurate wristwatch [leapsecond.com] as well? :)

Re:Seriously?... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29044631)

Show some imagination !

A foldable bluetooth keyboard and HDMI video output would do the trick nicely. You can already do a low-res version of this on many of the existing S60 phones thanks to the s-video support.

Longer term mini projectors might be the way forwards. Although, the current ones are too dim for serious work in a lit room.

Re:Seriously?... (1)

jhol13 (1087781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29047527)

I'll never understand your kind of people: "I do not therefore nobody should".

Bloody hell, I occasionally browse slashdot - it has two side panels which takes huge amount of space so I have to scroll and zoom. Then I have to navigate to reply button and write text to it, in a small screen.

Apparently, according to your ideas, I should quit my free time too?

Well, I think the way you think about games, especially portable games: "get a life!" (or do I, was I just pulling your leg?).

Yay office on my phone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29045203)

Unfortunately, the ribbon takes up the whole screen, and the only button on it is "quit".

Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Sign up for Slashdot Newsletters
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...