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Arizona Judge Tells Sheriff "Reveal Password Or Face Contempt"

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the life-in-these-united-states dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Four days ago, deputies from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Arizona conducted a raid against the county government building hosting computers for a law enforcement database. After threatening to arrest county employees who would stop them, the officers proceeded to secure the room and promptly changed passwords on many of the servers. In a hearing on Friday, a Superior Court judge threatened to hold members of the Sheriff's Office in contempt if they did not reveal the passwords by next Wednesday. Following this, the Sheriff's Office claimed to be conducting an investigation against other Superior Court judges. Courts have asked for passwords before, but never under conditions like this."

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Good afternoon, Arizonians, (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078699)

Arizona is a hot, desolate, conservative shithole populated with senile, diaper-shitting, Oxygen-huffing Right-wing military retirees like that fuckin' moron John McCain who have nothing better to do than blame all of their problems on Mexican Democrats. The rest of its inhabitants are all the other little unwanted, small-minded bakebrain wannabes who invade and overcrowd California's beautiful beaches and Comic-Con.

Maybe if they chose to hover around their own state instead of mine, they could make a difference and unplug the oxygen concentrators which keep their asshole overlords alive. California has enough problems as it is.

ZONIES GO HOME! You can't have your cake and eat it too, assholes. You bought your fucking cheap houses, now you sleep in them. By the way, the rest of the Western United states don't like you. You and Utah can go fuck yourselves. As for that cocksuker Joe Arapio, I pray to Satan that MS-13 and La Nuestra familia get ahold of his ass for a little extraordinary rendition to Mexico and give him some Spanish inquisition.

Re:Good afternoon, Arizonians, (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078793)

Could have said all that about Southern California too.

Re:Good afternoon, Arizonians, (5, Funny)

masshuu (1260516) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079095)

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|  DO NOT  |
| FEED THE |
|  TROLLS  |
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the sign is there for a reason.
Feeding trolls and flamebaits can lead to excessive burns and karma loss

Re:Good afternoon, Arizonians, (0, Troll)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078881)

Just when you thought we here in CA hit the bottom, Arizona shows there are deeper holes than ours.

Lay off McCane, man. He's a Wonko the sane that somehow managed to get elected in Arizona.

On behalf of arizona... (2, Insightful)

moogied (1175879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078709)

Fuck you Joe. I hope you burn in hell you d-bag. (*waves bye to his karma*)

Re:On behalf of arizona... (0, Flamebait)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078841)

Mods please consider modding up, or at least going against tradition and not modding him down for swearing. Joe Arpaio probably has it coming.

Re:On behalf of arizona... (0, Flamebait)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078917)

Funny. Joe Arpaio enforces the law so well that the drug gangs and illegal immigrant smugglers' gangs are trying to kill him, and the illegal alien amnesty crowd is constantly bankrolling name-smearing campaigns against him. That tends to indicate to me that he's doing the right thing.

Re:On behalf of arizona... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078947)

As a law abiding citizen, if I lived in Maricopa County, I would seriously consider shooting him too.

Mods, please be responsible. (4, Funny)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079081)

How the hell does a post whose entire content is "fuck you, [name]" get modded "insightful"?

Re:Mods, please be responsible. (2, Informative)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079157)

Because the modded post is insightful to most of people here?

Re:Mods, please be responsible. (4, Funny)

BollocksToThis (595411) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079225)

After checking the definition of 'insight', I decided you were off your rocker.

After considering the full meaning of "most of [the] people here", I changed my mind again. When dealing with the majority of Slashdot, useful definitions for words have pretty much no place in the proceedings :)

Re:Mods, please be responsible. (2, Insightful)

cml4524 (1520403) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079173)

It's really all that needs to be said of Arpaio, and since it's the first instance of the statement, it's the most insightful post in the story.

Re:On behalf of arizona... (-1, Troll)

retssgusa (873715) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079175)

Why do you morons think that someone who upholds the law and wants people who have absolutely zero respect for their fellow citizens to hate jail make him an evil person? The people who are evil are the ones who want to do violence to law enforcement people and coddle people who actually COMMIT violent acts on innocent law abiding citizens. You are the psychopath here so fuck you!

Re:On behalf of arizona... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079231)

You are the psychopath here so fuck you!

God what a child you are. Exactly the type of person I would expect to see supporting Joe Arpio.

The easy way out... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078711)

Things like these could be easily avoded if people would remember to forget their passwords.

FIRST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078715)

FIRST

Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Informative)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078729)

Summary doesn't make it clear that the Sheriff in question is Joe Arpaio, a sadistic, authoritarian monster that that believes in making prison as demeaning and painful affair as possible no matter what the offense. He's a sick, twisted psychopath that needs to be stopped at all cost.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Informative)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078747)

Sorry, forgot link:

http://www.arpaio.com/index.php [arpaio.com]

There's a reason this asshole has such a critical website over him. I firmly believe he's a sociopath.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078783)

I firmly believe he's a sociopath.

All he does is treat criminals as if they are sub-human and their dignity is his personal property. Besides, there seems to be an approximate consensus among the Maricopa anglo population people convicted of a crime aren't human beings, so clearly it's not sociopathic.

/sarcasm

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (1, Insightful)

retiredtwice (1128097) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079065)

It might be that if more jails/prisons were run this way, we might have fewer return trips. I wonder what his repeat statistics are in comparison to other places that run taxpayer funded country clubs.

What is it about the words -Criminal- and -Illegal- alien that is so hard for slashdotters to fathom.

I dont think that prisoners should have access to TV or weight lifting equipment or be allowed to form gangs or get drugs while in prison. I suspect those activities are pretty limited under his command.

If it is so demeaning to dignity to be in jail, sobeit. It should NOT be a badge of honor like it is treated.

I am not against immigration or work permits but I am against paying for (via taxes) medical and infrastructure expenses for those who do not contribute and merely send money out of the country. If they pay their fair share and are here legally, good on them and they are welcome.

(so much for karma in this thread)

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (3, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079149)

"It might be" -- well, there should be statistics. Does he have lower return rates on his prisoners, or is it just wishful thinking on his constituents' part?

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Informative)

mog007 (677810) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079159)

According to www.arpaio.com, Arpaio himself commissioned a study by a college to determine his return statistics (using tax payer money of course) and the college determined that the rates for repeat offenders were no different from the average.

Also keep in mind, that "tent city" thing he's got set up doesn't just house convicted criminals, it also houses people who are waiting for their court date to appear, and were unable to make bond.

Besides, I thought prison was supposed to be about rehabilitation anyway, not so much just a punishment. If it were just punishment you were after, why not shoot everybody in the leg for crimes up to rape or murder, and shoot everybody at or above that level.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079169)

<quote><p>What is it about the words -Criminal- and -Illegal- alien that is so hard for slashdotters to fathom.</p></quote>

Thanks for posting this, I was beginning to think I was the only one left that felt this way. I think we are getting closer and closer to living in the USA depicted in the Idiocracy movie every day. If our founding fathers could see what has become of the country they fought so hard to build they would probably give it back to England.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078831)

He is also extremely popular with his constituents, who fully support the way he operates his office. The US Justice Department now has him as a target (since the Obama Administration came to power) due to his enforcement of Immigration laws. In Arizona he polls 11 points higher than Obama so he is popular statewide.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078879)

Speaking as a Brit living in Arizona, I can assure you he is NOT popular across all the state.

His constituents in Phoenix, however, think the sun shines out of his arse.

This also explains a lot about Phoenix in general.

Phoenix should be nuked from Orbit (0, Troll)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078989)

Thank god, people in Arizona usually don't venture further than Southern California or Vegas. If they ever reached Oregon in mass we might have to pull an Oregon Trail on them and head to Canada. The new racist south extends from the I-10 in Phoenix through the whole Southern US now.

Arpaio should be raped by dogs and then fed to them.

Re:Phoenix should be nuked from Orbit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079029)

Speaking as a liberal in Arizona, fuck you!

Re:Phoenix should be nuked from Orbit (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079041)

The new racist south extends from the I-10 in Phoenix through the whole Southern US now.

Ahhh. So you don't like him enforcing immigration laws, then. I see. Explains a lot.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079079)

Speaking as a Brit living in Arizona, I can assure you he is NOT popular across all the state.

His constituents in Phoenix, however, think the sun shines out of his arse.

This also explains a lot about Phoenix in general.

I dont think he's popular in Britian either, not after trying to extradite law abiding british citizens and threaten to humiliate them [extradition.org.uk]

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078895)

He's not going to have any fun with the federal government. DHS is now headed by Janet Napolitano. For those that don't know she was the governor of Arizona (and a fairly popular one) until she was appointed to head DHS. She also hates Arpaio for his tactics and flaunting of the law. As such you can bet DHS is going to be on his ass about any and everything they can.

There is a lesson here about stepping on toes that might be connected to an ass you later have to kiss.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (3, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078963)

She also hates Arpaio for his tactics and flaunting of the law.

I thought it was pretty much a sheriff's job to flaunt the law? Oh, unless you mean "flout"... (this isn't spelling or grammar, it's semantics -- you may want to extend your sig).

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079037)

That is because his constituents are psychopaths also.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0, Offtopic)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078887)

Funny. He keeps getting reelected with double-digit margins, despite propaganda like you put forth.

This probably has something to do with the fact that he actually has his people enforcing the law, and doesn't waste money coddling criminals. Given the amount of ridiculous benefits we see in most prisons in the US that make prison a "no-brainer" for large numbers of people (see here: people actually trying to get themselves thrown in jail [startribune.com]), I'd say I like the idea of making prison as unpalatable a concept as possible.

Of course, this isn't unique to the US. The UK is having the same [guardian.co.uk] debate [telegraph.co.uk]. They just don't also have to deal with a well-funded and ridiculous propaganda campaign based on "legalizing" foreign criminals who jump our borders and cause crime [judicialwatch.org] while also having the debate on what prisoners should, or shouldn't, get while incarcerated.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Informative)

linzeal (197905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078943)

People waiting for trial are not 'criminals'. He has had over half a dozen deaths in custody this year along for people who were not convicted of a crime. County jails should be equivalent in comfort, food and atmosphere to a Motel 6 till you are convicted, imho.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0, Troll)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079063)

Counties in Texas have about the same number of deaths per capita, in the same circumstances. Other counties across the US wind up with similar circumstances as well, so much so that "Custody Death Syndrome" [sfgate.com] is being bandied about as a term now.

The jails in Texas are nothing like Maricopa County's. In fact, their jails very much resemble a Motel 6. Free bed, free cable TV, free exercise equipment, free library - the only thing you don't have that you have in a Motel 6, is the ability to leave.

You can use statistics to lie about anything. For example, anti-police groups use a so-called "steady rise in taser-related fatalities" to try to argue that police are too quick to use tasers. The problem? Their "statistic" matches almost exactly the timeline of increased issuing of tasers to police and increased changes in police policy to favor the use of Tasers over a drawn gun. What you've proposed regarding Arpaio is just another out-of-context "statistic" that means nothing once examined.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (5, Informative)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078961)

This probably has something to do with the fact that he actually has his people enforcing the law, and doesn't waste money coddling criminals. Given the amount of ridiculous benefits we see in most prisons in the US that make prison a "no-brainer" for large numbers of people (see here: people actually trying to get themselves thrown in jail), I'd say I like the idea of making prison as unpalatable a concept as possible.

He gets a certain cash amount from the Feds per prisoner to keep them in his 'jails', a bunch of tent cities, population over 4,000. He spends the absolute minimum on these and runs them in a manner consistent with German concentration camps (without the poison gas showers; he doesn't want to kill his prisoners, he wants the money from it), thus creating a cash surplus he uses to make sure his department has enough weapons to take over a Third World country. You can get thrown into one of his 'jails' by having a couple outstanding parking tickets, or defaulting on your child support payments.

As a resident of Arizona, he makes me ashamed to live here.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078967)

Jawoll, mein Fuehrer !

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078985)

There's a difference between not "coddling" prisoners and abuse, not to mention the fact that the jail houses not only people convicted of crimes but those awaiting trial, who have not been convicted of anything and should not give up any rights except to the extent necessary to keep them from leaving the jurisdiction. In any case, although he is Mr. Law-and-Order when it comes to immigration, as this case shows he is power hungry and doesn't abide by the law unless it suits him. If you've got a civil dispute with another branch of government, you don't resolve it by sending armed thugs to take control by force.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078791)

I don't know how Arizona is, but if it's anything like here in California, Sheriff is an elected office, and the easiest way to stop him is to vote him out. Thus I would suspect that a large portion of his constituency actually agrees with his policies. It's hard to go against the majority in a democracy: bad majorities have created ugly things such as slavery in the past.

That's why the US isn't a democracy (5, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078859)

It is a Constitutional Federal Republic. This means that there are various check on the majority. 50.0001% of people can't vote to oppress the other 49.9999%. Things like constitutional law can only be changed by a very lengthy process (66% of both congressional bodies, 75% of all states have to approve it).

So while the majority may agree with what he's doing, or at least the parts of what he's doing they are aware of, that doesn't make it right, or legal. He has, on many occasions, been sued successfully for various rights violations.

It is something that needs to be fought, not something that people should just say "Well the majority elected him. Doesn't matter that they did, he is still accountable to the law. That's how the system is setup.

Re:That's why the US isn't a democracy (4, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078959)

Your words are true, but in your attempt to find the precise point where the majority is big enough to push a minority around, you have missed my point. He was elected, and he's been there a while. Thus, while it may be possible to get rid of him in particular, or file numerous lawsuits, in all likelihood someone else will be voted in who is similar or worse, because the populace WANTS that.

If you want to change the country, the simplest way to do so is to change what the populace wants.

Re:That's why the US isn't a democracy (3, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079011)

Every sheriff's office and police department in the US has, at one point or another, been successfully sued for "rights violations" at some point. Making a blanket statement like that means nothing.

Arpaio is also very clear on making prison as UN-palatable an option as possible to criminals. If you subscribe to the theory that some portion of the population considers the possible consequences of their actions (in other words, is a rational actor [wikipedia.org]), then this should result in reduced initial crime rates from that portion of the population. If you don't subscribe to rational choice theory, then your opinion may be different.

Of course, there is a portion of the population that are (temporarily or permanently) mentally incapable of either (A) recognizing the possible outcomes of their actions or (B) believing they will be caught. This strains their calculation to the point where they commit crimes anyways. Society has decided that these people are to be punished and "rehabilitated" (hopefully, taught NOT to break the law in the future). Depending on where you live and what judge you get, the harshness of this varies. Where I live, we have a hell of a lot of revolving-door "petty" criminals who commit "nonviolent" thefts from government/school buildings, always surrender when the cops show up, and then spend 3-4 months as a "trustee" in minimum-security each time before coming right out the revolving door and offending all over again. They don't see the system as a punishment at all. If you're to believe they are "rational actors" (and I have no reason to believe otherwise, based on televised interviews), then the lack of perceived punishment indicates that the system is broken, and I have to suspect that at least some of them would be more receptive to changing their lifestyles if "prison" meant something other than 3 hot meals a day, air conditioning, free cable TV, free library, free access to gym equipment, zero rent, and more.

The people of Maricopa County, by and large, have said they want their Sheriff to be harsh on inmates. Double-digit reelection seems to be an indicator of this, at least. The fact that he, following the indications of his reelection that his methods are supported, butts heads with people who believe otherwise is no surprise at all.

Re:That's why the US isn't a democracy (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079073)

Penal philosophy is irrelevant to the treatment of the many prisoners who are awaiting trial, held as material witnesses, or otherwise not convicted of anything. In any case, what beyond small details, the purpose and nature of jail are determined by the state and federal constitutions in the first instance and the state legislature in the second instance, not by Joe Arpaio or even the voters of Maricopa County.

Re:That's why the US isn't a democracy (1, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079109)

Actually, according to the Constitution (10th Amendment) [gpoaccess.gov]:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people.
"

Since the US Constitution says nothing about prisons save for prohibiting "cruel and unusual punishment", as long as Arpaio does not cross the line into "cruel", harshness is definitely allowed. Arizona's constitution [azleg.gov] says nothing about prisons. Arizona's law (a href="http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=31">Title 31) deals with prisons and the duties of Sheriffs, but within those provisions, counties have quite a wide latitude on how lenient/harsh they wish to be.

I hope you have learned something today.

Re:That's why the US isn't a democracy (4, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079213)

Not from you. Nothing you've said is inconsistent with what I said. The prohibition of "cruel and unusual" punishment in the US Constitution plays a larger role than its three words might suggest. And by the way, the clause doesn't have to mention the word "prison" to be relevant. Due process rights, for example, play an important role in determining what prison officials can and cannot do. And the people who have those rights reserved to the people include prisoners.

Let me fix that for you (1, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079117)

Thus I would suspect that a large portion of his constituency are woefully ignorant of his policies.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078801)

Actually, Joe Arpaio treats criminals the way they should be treated. That county has the lowest rate of repeat offenders. They know that his jail is hell and they definitely don't want to go back there.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078913)

This:

That county has the lowest rate of repeat offenders. They know that his jail is hell and they definitely don't want to go back there.

is not sufficient to justify this claim:

Joe Arpaio treats criminals the way they should be treated.

His methods may work, but they are almost certainly harsher than they need to be, and possibly excessively so (which would make them unconstitutional). The fact his questionable methods are tolerated is interesting, given that Americans like to cling to the concept of a "moral high ground", which you can't really do when you can't even confidently state that your actions are legal, let alone moral. Only slightly less interesting are the parallels between Arpaio's reign and the Bush administration's torture policy.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079131)

While I agree that criminals are treated far too nicely in most prisons - I really don't think prisons should be like hotels - Arpaio is certainly the other extreme. I don't want my tax money being used to enable some rapist scumbag to watch HDTV, but on the other hand, I don't want to finance Nazi-like concentration camps (aw, Godwin) either. Yes, some (not all) criminals should be treated harshly. But I don't see any reason to subject people who've been late on their traffic tickets or were caught smoking pot (I strongly despise drug use including alcohol and cigarettes on a personal level, but stoners certainly aren't harming anyone and they can shoot themselves to oblivion for all I care) to extremely harsh (and possibly cruel and unusual) punishment which might just be right for the real scumbags.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078827)

The country, and his state, LOVES Joe Arpaio. We need one of him in every state.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078873)

Most peopleIf you want to have an authoritarian dictator, with no regard for laws or basic human rights (regardless if they are criminal/illegal/mass murderer), than ya you really want this guy, or any idea of you don't spend money you don't have.

No matter how many times we attempt to get rid of him, he just keeps going, and going. He is the energizer bunny of evil.

Yo Nigger (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078843)

punishment is Supposed to be 'cruel and unusual' to DETER repeat offenders.

Are YOU a repeat offender? Sounds like it from your rant.

Re:Yo Nigger (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078975)

Hey look, three AC trolls replying with the same content within minutes of each other. Joe, don't you have other things to do than browse Slashdot?

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078891)

Are you fucking batshit? Arpaio is among the only SANE Sheriffs in the US.

Our prisoners should be treated like prisoners. They should not have better food and TV than I have. If you don't like that some people are wrongly incarcerated, fix THAT. Don't expect me to continue paying taxes so that the local rapist can have 400 HD channels + OnDemand while he's locked up.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078981)

I agree with that sentiment, but Arpaio is accountable for witholding insulin for diabetics, turning paraplegics into quadraplegics, killing at least two mentally handicapped prisoners with multiple taserings, spit bagging, and excessive restraints.

There's a very distinct and wide line between the barbarism he displays and not pandering to inmates that you're proposing (and I agree with).

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078897)

Anyone who's spent any amount of time in Arizona would've known immediately this was Arpaio. This guy needs to have his ass handed to him.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0, Troll)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078901)

He's a sick, twisted psychopath that needs to be stopped at all cost.

Or elected to higher office...

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (-1, Flamebait)

sco08y (615665) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078907)

Summary doesn't make it clear that the Sheriff in question is Joe Arpaio, a sadistic, authoritarian monster that that believes in making prison as demeaning and painful affair as possible no matter what the offense.

And it's all legal and supported by his constituency.

So why is it liberals want more and more aspects of our lives run by the government, thus giving guys like Arpaio more control over our lives? Why do liberals scoff at the notion of a limiting Congress to powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution?

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079015)

And it's all legal and supported by his constituency.

i wasn't aware that it was legal to take over a govt. agency by force, and to do so while there is an active lawsuit underway, and then to ignore a court order. You learn something new every day.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079105)

I can only applaud the levels of doublethink required to hold up a sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona, a deeply Republican county in the state John McCain calls home, as an example of durn lib'rul policy in action.

Re:Summary doesn't make it clear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079185)

He's a sick, twisted psychopath that needs to be stopped at all cost.

Now if they'd just come after Simon Leis in Cincinnati next if that's the criteria...

Correct link for article discussing contempt claim (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078735)

The correct article is here [azcentral.com].

Amazing this is happening in the United States

Re:Correct link for article discussing contempt cl (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078759)

Amazing that you think it's amazing this is happening in the United States.

Re:Correct link for article discussing contempt cl (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078849)

Amazing that you think it's amazing that he thinks it's amazing this is happening in the United States.

Re:Correct link for article discussing contempt cl (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078949)

(Amazing that you think it's )^2 amazing that he thinks it's amazing this is happening in the United States.

Re:Correct link for article discussing contempt cl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079179)

I am not amazed that you think it's amazing that he thinks it's amazing this is happening in the United States.

Arpaio (4, Informative)

belmolis (702863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078745)

This raid looks pretty outrageous. The court is probably the least politicized and most appropriate agency to take control until the situation can be resolved. The silver lining to this is that it is so outrageous that it may finally get that madman Arpaio removed from office.

Re:Arpaio (2, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078997)

This raid looks pretty outrageous. The court is probably the least politicized and most appropriate agency to take control until the situation can be resolved. The silver lining to this is that it is so outrageous that it may finally get that madman Arpaio removed from office.

Don't count on that. Ol' Joe's survived many attempts to remove him from office.

What I'm wondering is, will Hendershott be sentenced to one of Joe's tent cities, or will they give him one of the many vacant air conditioned cells in the 'real' Maricopa County jail, the one that Joe refuses to use? Personally, I'd vote for tent city...

Re:Arpaio (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079023)

Where is the Attorney General of Arizona in all this? Presumably he, not a county sheriff is the chief law enforcement official in Arizona.

Re:Arpaio (5, Insightful)

ring-eldest (866342) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079229)

Here in Memphis the feds (under that notorious civil liberties champion John Ashcroft) took control of our jails after reported civil rights violations. The federal government is the appropriate agency to step in by means of the USDOJ, and should likewise step in on behalf of the people incarcerated under that maniac's supervision. It would disgust me if we treated prisoners of war the way that "law man" has been treating his charges.

Dostoyevsky said that any society can be judged by the way it treats its prisoners. I sure as hell don't want this man standing as a representative of our civilization.

bad move (4, Interesting)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078765)

The actions of the sheriff's office demonstrate quite clearly that they are not willing to abide by the law and therefore seem to have decided the case already against themselves.

Do they really need the password? (3, Interesting)

7Ghent (115876) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078811)

Don't they have an IT guy who can root those? Sounds like they have physical access, should be pretty easy.

Re:Do they really need the password? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078829)

Yes they do have an IT guy. Appears he built the system. No I don't believe he does need the password. But he is reported to have told the judge it would be "convenient" to have it but that he didn't really need it.

Hendershott Could End Up in Jail Next Week in Showdown Over Password [phoenixnewtimes.com]

Re:Do they really need the password? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079003)

Exactly. Force control back of the machines and bring suit for the time required.

This is an abuse of contempt.

Physical Security (5, Insightful)

destuxor (874523) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078813)

Rule #3 of the 10 Immutable Laws of Security [microsoft.com]: if a bad guy has unrestricted physical access to your computer, it's not your computer anymore.

Story should serve as a good reminder to everyone out there that in the end, no amount of encryption, biometrics, or obscurity will protect your network when a hacker brings a gun. Physical security trumps all.

And on that note... (3, Funny)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078839)

... am I the only one thinking "block the doors, trip the halon"?

Re:And on that note... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078883)

That wouldn't accomplish anything. They might feel a little lightheaded after 20 or 30 minutes of breathing Halon or equivalent, that's all. It's a myth that it is dangerous or somehow prevents you from breathing.

Re:And on that note... (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078923)

Not to mention that even if the sheriff and his deputies are completely corrupt, killing cops rarely goes over well.

Re:And on that note... (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079007)

That wouldn't accomplish anything. They might feel a little lightheaded after 20 or 30 minutes of breathing Halon or equivalent, that's all. It's a myth that it is dangerous or somehow prevents you from breathing.

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME kids!!!

While dumping a Halon (or whatever eco friendly system they're using now, actual Halon is a no-no) in a big room might not be dangerous, if the room isn't vented fast enough or if you spend enough time in it you could pretty easily pass out and maybe die from oxygen starvation. It WOULD be a fun thing to do and about the first thing I would think of...

Re:And on that note... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078903)

Is halon even used anymore? I thought it was decided to be unfriendly to the ozone and banned?

OS password or DB passwords? (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078869)

If its the admin/root OS password why not just mount the drive and copy over the DB and reinstall onto a different server?

How did they get control of the servers? (4, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078877)

But it also is a server and e-mail platform for several county agencies, including the Sheriff's and County Attorney's offices and the Superior Court.

That explains why the sheriffs department wanted them, they didn't want incriminating evidence coming out. But if we walk away from our servers, they're not going to be able to get into them. If they demanded admin passwords, I would have demanded a warrant. Arrest or not, that's a fight you can have later. If they arrested you for doing your job, then sue them later. Oddly, in this case you'd have the backing of the rest of the county board and the Superior Court. Seizing our computers wouldn't get them anything. I feel good about that but what happened in this case?

If they're Windows servers it shouldn't be too hard to crack them, right? I haven't used Windows servers since Server 2003, you could crack those. Is it much harder now? Especially when you have access to the hardware.

Re:How did they get control of the servers? (2, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079051)

Is it much harder now? Especially when you have access to the hardware.

Actually both 2003 and 2008 have the ability to be exceedingly hard. 2008 moreso than 2003. But in my experience the vast majority servers are very very rarely configured to make it hard.

With a vanilla set up, they are relatively easy **with physical access**.

I've lived in Maricopa County for over 20 years, (4, Insightful)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29078911)

...and the Sheriff's Office has been a joke for almost all of them. Sheriff Joe's predecessor utterly botched an investigation into a high-profile mass murder at a local Buddhist Temple, so voters here were looking for change at any price.

I'm pro-law and order, but law and order means, well, law AND order, not Sheriff Joe's thuggery. He's cost the county millions in unnecessary lawsuits for brutality in his jails, his law enforcement tactics exist solely to grab headlines and intimidate his opponents and he's ruined inter-agency cooperation in Central Arizona for at least the near future.

The sooner we elect someone else, the better off we'll be.

Re:I've lived in Maricopa County for over 20 years (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079207)

I'm pro-law and order, but [...]

Sorry, that's as far as 99% of Slashdot readers got before they started hating you. Better luck next time!

CJIS - Criminal Justice Information System (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29078993)

Disclaimer - I work as the IT manager for a major university police department.

Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS) Security Policy - the governing policy from the Department of Justice for managing criminal justice systems. The policy is law enforcement sensitive and not public.

The Sheriffs office is arguing that that the law requires this server, which has NCIC (National Crime Information Center) access, to only be managed by a criminal justice agency. There are entire previsions in CJIS that allow for delegation of CJIS management to noncriminal justice agencies including municipal governments and contractors. The only provision states that responsibility for management of security and network control remains with the criminal justice agency - meaning the blame for not following the CJIS security policy lies with the law enforcement agency.

Unless Arizona has different laws regarding NCIC access this looks like a power grab to me...

Bosco! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079021)

Judge (Seinfeld): Oh, come on, just tell me your code already. What is it?

Sheriff (George): I am not giving you my code.

Prosecutor (Kramer): I'll bet I can guess it.

Sheriff: Pssh. Yeah. Right.

Prosecutor: Oh, alright. Yeah. Uh, let's see. Um, well, we can throw out
birthdays immediately. That's too obvious. And no numbers for you, you're a
word man. Alright, let's go deeper. Uh, what kind of man are you? Well,
you're weak, spineless, a man of temptations, but what tempts you?

Sheriff: Huh?

Prosecutor: You're a portly fellow, a bit long in the waistband. So what's your
pleasure? Is it the salty snacks you crave? No no no no no, yours is a sweet
tooth.

Sheriff: Get out of here.

Prosecutor: Oh, you may stray, but you'll always return to your dark master, the
cocoa bean.

Sheriff: I'm leaving.

Prosecutor (building up steam as George bolts for the door): No, and only the
purest syrup nectar can satisfy you!

Sheriff: I gotta go.

Prosecutor: If you could you'd guzzle it by the gallon! Ovaltine! Hershey's!

Sheriff: Shut up!

Prosecutor: Nestle's Quik!

Sheriff: Shut up!

wow. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079049)

I think i'm going to be physically ill.
I've never been so ashamed of my country, hell even my race as a whole.
I wish i wasn't agnostic, so i could rest assured these men had a VERY long and hot vacation waiting for them after death.

Coverup (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079055)

This just screams coverup.

Sherrif Joe is afraid of the information on those servers ... why? It would be nice to know, wouldn't it? Streisand Effect, anyone?

The county should turn it all over to the FBI for forensic investigation after this. I don't care who you are, unauthorized access to a computer system is a felony in most states and a federal offense, too.

Re:Coverup (2, Informative)

mog007 (677810) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079203)

Given Joe's history, I'm very interested in what's on those servers. This is a guy who thinks ANY press is good press. Even when he had to pay 30-something percent of an 800k judgement due to abuse out of his own pocket. The guy's got corruption all over the place, and he's still in office.

but... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079103)

Sheriff Joe is an old man, can't they just check the post it note under the keyboard? Boom, Problem Solved.

bizare turn of events (2, Insightful)

talcite (1258586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29079115)

Does it seem strange to anyone else that the Sheriff's office is conducting a raid on the Government offices and is disregarding orders from the justice department?

I always thought that law enforcement was supposed to be the arm of the government. It seems more like the arm is acting of its own accord in this case.

Re:bizare turn of events (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079211)

I'm sure I've heard jokes about Arizona and strange love before...

Article about Sheriff Arpaio in The New Yorker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29079227)

In July, The New Yorker magazine ran an article about Sheriff Arpaio. It's an interesting read for anyone interested in the man.

Here's the abstract (registration is required to get the whole thing)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/07/20/090720fa_fact_finnegan

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