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Fatty Foods Affect Memory and Exercise Performance

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the I-distinctly-remember-eating-4-egg-mcmuffins-today dept.

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Death Metal writes "Eating fatty food appears to take an almost immediate toll on both short-term memory and exercise performance, according to new research on rats and people. Other studies have suggested that that long-term consumption of a high-fat diet is associated with weight gain, heart disease and declines in cognitive function. But the new research shows how indulging in fatty foods over the course of a few days can affect the brain and body long before the extra pounds show up."

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Anecdotal evidence supports this (4, Insightful)

Swizec (978239) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089507)

Anecdotal evidence everyone is probably familiar with seems to confirm this. When you're at the office all day and decide to eat a pizza for lunch it seems very obvious that you're at least half way out of commission for the rest of the day. I had always assumed it was simply because one gets so stuffed from pizza, but apparently the high fat content played a big role too.

Needless to say, I'm sticking to my low-fat diet with even more fervor henceforth ... although an occasional blunder feels SO good! Not while working though, this study clearly showed that.

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (1, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089583)

I've been eating fairly healthy/low fat food for a while, I definitely feel crappy after having certain kinds of food, like the last time I had fish and chips (deep fried fish and very thick cut fries, likewise deep fat fried).. incredibly greasy - I felt like shit for the rest of the evening. Likewise anything with lots of cheese like pizza just makes me feel kind of lethargic. Sure it's enjoyable at the time (though often with fatty foods I just don't find them as attractive as I used to), but a couple of hours later..

High-fat, but no carbs (3, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089607)

However how does it compare when you drop almost all carbohydrates and bring your body into ketosis? I always feel really energetic then, after "fat" food too. This doesn't include such fatty food than pizza and deep fried fries, but high-fat and high-protein meat, fish, ground beef and so on. Pizza and such is completely different, I think it comes from when you mix fat and carbohydrates (either "good" or "bad" ones) together.

Also my stomach feels a lot better when eating high-fat/protein food with next to nothing carbs. I also get much more work done that way when I feel great after eating too.

So definitely there is differences in body when eating fat together with carbs, and when eating fat but without carbs.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (3, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089647)

Just to note before someone comes saying, that drop to ketosis takes 3-5 days and you shouldnt eat more than 15-20g of carbs a day. After 6-7 days your body has adjusted and you start feeling really really great and you have a lot more energy than previously, and wont hungry all the time. But it takes that period to adjust your body into it, so you cant just try it 1-2 days and say you feel like shit.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (2, Informative)

CrashandDie (1114135) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089701)

Low or no-carb diets are bad.

Just get on your bike or lift dumbells. Killing your body by removing a required nutrient isn't a diet, it's stupid. Probably as much as vegans.

Simple equation: energy in == energy consumed. If that is not the case, you're doing it wrong. You obviously have enough self-discipline to prevent yourself from eating things you decide, so why not have the self-discipline to do the same using a healthy diet and some exercise?

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089751)

The point isn't fully about losing weight, but to feel better. It was a huge difference when I tried it the first time and I still always feel the difference when eating other kind of food. I never feel stuffed, hungry after a few hours and my stomach is at peace.

And in my opinion meat, fish and eggs is more natural food than potatoes or manufactured food, which usually contains more of those carbohydrates.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (4, Interesting)

jamesh (87723) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089823)

Low or no-carb diets are bad.

I remember watching a doco on low-carb high protein diets. They found that atkins was on to something, not with the low carbs but with the high protein. The group that had to have a lot of protein but could additionally eat anything else they wanted didn't actually end up eating much of anything else. The high protein seemed to cut down the cravings for snacks, snacks being what ruins most otherwise good diets.

Simple equation: energy in == energy consumed.

I don't think it's quite that simple for everyone. I've been through periods of eating really badly (high fat takeaway for lunch every day for weeks on end) and then really healthy, with identical exercise level (~none), and my weight never moved outside the 69-71kg range that i seem to have been stuck at for the last 5-10 years. I've added up the calories I intake vs the exercise I do (next to none) and by all calculations I should be a balloon. 69-71kg would be about right for my height if there was a bit more muscle on me.

If I don't eat very regularly (eg breakfast at 8am, i'll need something fairly substantial by 10am) I get the shakes and start feeling really really spaced out and crave sugar. If I continue to not eat it kind of settles down and I start feeling a bit normal again but a few hours later i'll get a horrible headache that won't go away for days even with painkillers (although something with a lot of caffeine helps at bit if it goes that far). I've been tested for diabetes and hypoglycemia several times over the years and nothing has showed anything out of the ordinary... i assume i'm just a bit more sensitive to small drops in blood sugar levels than most people.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089937)

They found that atkins was on to something, not with the low carbs but with the high protein.

We knew about the affects of a high-protein diet LONG before Atkins.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (5, Funny)

machine321 (458769) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090171)

We knew about the affects of a high-protein diet LONG before Atkins.

Perhaps, but my wife still won't fall for it.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (4, Insightful)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089939)

If your body takes in more fat/protein/carbs etc than it needs it will either excrete them or store them... which it does depends partly on your genetic makeup, but more so on your recent pattern of diet/exercise

If you have a healthy balanced diet and do adequate exercise (not very much, and could be normal activity) then occasionally eating unhealthy foods will do no long term harm, your body will not need the extra, and does not think it needs to store it so will simply excrete the excess ....

If you starve yourself of food, or one type of nutrient then when you eat it your body will store any excess, because it thinks times are hard, this is why proper nutritionalists do not recommend mono diets (like Atkins) and when they do advise short term unbalanced diets, then they make sure you come off them slowly so this reaction does not occur ...

Atkins has been proved to work for two reasons, you are on a diet and are having to watch what you eat and you tend to order ordinary meals and then not eat part of it ... so you eat less, and it is high protein so you are getting enough energy so you feel full ....so no snacking, but as a long term diet it is unhealthy and when you stop you can't just go back to a unheathly diet ....

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (0, Troll)

Archtech (159117) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090021)

"Low or no-carb diets are bad".

Thanks for that unsupported, dogmatic statement. Gee, now I know the truth!

"Just get on your bike or lift dumbells. Killing your body by removing a required nutrient isn't a diet, it's stupid. Probably as much as vegans".

AFAIK carbohydrates in any form are not required nutrients. At least, there are plenty of documented cases of people living long, happy, healthy, productive lives without ever tasting them. The Inuit, for instance, used to regard plants as unfit for human consumption, and would never touch them unless they were starving. OTOH there is evidence that excessive carbohydrates (or possibly the wrong kind) can gradually bring about insulin resistance, obesity, and eventually diabetes.

"Simple equation: energy in == energy consumed".

Yes, you're right: that IS a simple equation. And you sound like a simple person. Why on earth do you imagine that an immensely complex biological organism like a human being should function like a diesel engine? In fact, even a diesel engine doesn't work the way you suggest. Butter has energy, doesn't it? You would certainly rebuke a person who ate butter for too much "energy in". What happens if you put butter in your car's diesel tank - does it turn into "energy consumed"? No, it just clogs up the works and prevents any energy from being consumed.

Again, there is ample evidence to show that some people (as in many thousands) have consumed well under 2000 calories a month for decades, in the form of carbohydrates, while doing hard physical work - and wound up grossly obese. Just as others (usually much wealthier) have eaten far more than 2000 calories a day for years, while doing little or no physical work, and remained lean and fit.

Consider, if it's not too challenging, the possibility that human bodies treat different nutrients in different ways. Ask yourself why - if constant weight can be maintained only by making sure that "energy in equals energy out" - most human beings (and other animals) keep their weight within a pound or two for decades on end.

"If that is not the case, you're doing it wrong. You obviously have enough self-discipline to prevent yourself from eating things you decide, so why not have the self-discipline to do the same using a healthy diet and some exercise?"

Yes, that's right - join the bulk of the scientific, medical, and political establishments - and the big food manufacturers who fund them - and blame the victims. It might be possible to do as you suggest if they would tell us what constitutes a healthy diet. Most intelligent, open-minded people who have taken the trouble to inquire about the subject and researched it widely for years must be quite bewildered by now.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

pitchaxistheory (844824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089767)

Please mod parent Informative! I have been on the same type of diet in order to reduce my weight due to Type 2 diabetes. Over 4 months I have lost 18kg and I agree that you will feel pretty awful for the first couple of days. If you cheat, it could take a couple of days to get back into the ketoic state again, though I would say 3 days at most, and not so much as a week. Your mileage may vary.

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

Demosthenex (513513) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089853)

You left off several "citation needed" items in that statement, right out of a paragraph labeled "Controversy". One might argue that should be the default state of a human.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis#Controversy [wikipedia.org]

I can't say one way or the other on it, but I'm in the middle of Gary Taubes book, "Good Calories, Bad Calories". It isn't as much a diet book as a study on the science of diet. It has been an interesting read, and very disappointing in terms of the junk science and politics involved. I intend to spot check resources when I'm done to verify some of his claims, but feel free to weigh in.

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes/dp/1400040787 [amazon.com]
http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/NewYearNewYou/story?id=3654291&page=1 [abcnews.com]

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090093)

"An abnormal increase of ketone bodies in the blood as in diabetes mellitus" Uh.. no thanks..?

Re:High-fat, but no carbs (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089683)

Yeah I have been eating a lot of protein without many carbs the last month or two, but I'm getting to the stage where I probably need some more energy to maintain the muscle I've been putting on. I've got maybe 12% body fat at the moment, don't mind losing a little more fat but I'm worried if I don't eat enough I'm going to be losing muscle too, which means in turn my body will burn less energy etc.

I didn't know what the Atkin's diet was until recently, it's kind of like you say fat without carbs. My friend's dad did it for a while and it apparently works well, but apparently makes you gassy in a nasty way and leaves you just "looking unhealthy" were the words my friend used, pallid skin etc.

I suppose the type of fats or source should matter (4, Interesting)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089633)

because while I can chow down on an ounce, usually more, of almonds which are high in fat it does not "seem" to affect me as much as if I am eating foods the pizza you mentioned.

I am curious what the break down is. As in, which fats are good/bad for the tests they performed. Now I will state in my case I bloat less from fatty foods compared to carb laden food and I have far less trouble with my sugar levels as well. I think we are missing some key information from this article.

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089747)

I know that after I eat KFC, I feel literally SHITHOUSE for the next three to eight hours. Not only do I feel bloated and "fat" but a strange combination of lethargic (totally) and at the same time, I can feel my blood pressure soar and my heart rate kick up a few gears. It's downright scary. It seems to be the only fast food that does it to me though.

I don't often decide to have a junk food binge, but I have learned to avoid deep fried chicken with the secret herbs and spices.

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (1)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089915)

Well we already knew about Salt & Pepper - I'm guessing their "secret blend of herbs & spices" also includes a touch of crack and heroin...

literally huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089929)

I feel literally SHITHOUSE

Are you quite sure you mean literally?

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089985)

I'm not surprised. KFC is the worst junk you can eat. Trans fats (in hydrogenated palm oil and the like) are well known to be the least healthy of all fats by far. And KFC is deep fried in the shit. I'm no healthy eating evangelist, but KFC really isn't good for you.

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (4, Interesting)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089963)

Polyunsaturated fats - Good
monounsaturated fat - Good
Staturated fats - Bad
Trans-fats - Very Bad

Almonds mostly contain monounsaturated fat which can lower your cholesterol ....

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (1)

romeanthem2 (1220126) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090079)

I disagree. My take is: Saturated fats - Good Monounsaturated fat - Neutral Polyunsaturated fats - Bad Trans-fats - Very Bad The more carbon double bonds a fat molecule has the more likely it is to be oxidised.

Re:I suppose the type of fats or source should mat (1)

Evil.Bonsai (1205202) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090007)

almonds are good for you; avocados are good; cashews are good. olive oil is good. I think the zone has the best approach to this, in that it specifies lean protien, complex carbs (think veggies and fruits, not sugars or breads) and GOOD fat (see above) every time you eat. I've lost 10 pounds of fat over the last few months doing this.

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089655)

Pizza cooked in a masterly fashion is an equilibrated food and has not an high fat content: only dough, tomato, oil and mozzarella in moderate amount.
Perpaphs, you are speaking of american pizza :-) not neapolitan one!

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089843)

Don't blame pizza. It can be a very healthy dish if it is done by a proper cook.

P.S: I love Italian food.

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (1)

Swizec (978239) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089877)

However takeaway pizza you can get at the office is very rarely healthy.

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089865)

You are all Loeschnazis. And this fucked up message board is unable to display umlauts. OMG!

Re:Anecdotal evidence supports this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090075)

Anecdotal evidence shows that low-fat is actually worse....
Americans is the most "low-fat" obsessed and yet the people with the worst weight problem and also seen from the outside... the dumbest

Super size me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089521)

News soon :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390521/

I just had a Mars bar and I want to say... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089543)

... erm, i forgot.

Must be early onset alzheimers

Re:I just had a Mars bar and I want to say... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089821)

When I think of dirty old men, I think of Ike Thomas and when I think about Ike I get a hard on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago,I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Ike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white under the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did nott chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

Old Ike, he extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old man winked at me. "Ike Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game.

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men. . ."

"I'll bet you do."

". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I though we were talking about. . ."

"You like jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Ike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as browwn as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Ike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his hightop work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!"I ke licked his lips from corner to corner then stuck it out far enough that the tip could touch the tip of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"

"I never. . ."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiousity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgemental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't beiing queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Ike slipped a handside the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Ike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"

***

We worked steadily until noon. Ike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."

I followed I ke to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing, Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Ike return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yer sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Ike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanccd over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "I t sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.

"You like checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." I ke slid his fingers back and forth on his expandingshaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I 'll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set 'em free. Now let's see yours."

"Why?"

"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Ike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Ike grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause I keep excerising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."

"Some sayyou'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been puling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking like this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like grandma 'wouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I like showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is somethng I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on fromall this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Ike what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Ike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiositythat needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather .

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to ajust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." I ke grinned. "It feels like I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Ike breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Ike held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.

Ike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaing drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle foming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Ike.

***

"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Ike licked his lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his caloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.

"Like I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches. . ." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do. . ."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging 'tween your skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree whan I was seven.

"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Nineteen almost twenty."

You ever fucked a woman?"

"No."

"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not.

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass. "I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it like they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a fewhard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed I ke. He took a bite from his sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and graypubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Ike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Ike leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't. . ."

"C'mon, boy. Show Ike your peckeer. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Ike stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."

"We really shouldn't. . ."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Ike licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd sayyou're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Ike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old I ke to lick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Ike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Ike might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and procede to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."

***

The following day, We skipped the peliminaries. We dropped our pants. Ike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old I ke's tight, brown hole and massage old Ike's prostate.

Ike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accomodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

""It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Ike one more favor."

"What?"

While you're pumpin my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back amd then pulled it up and over the expaded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Ike come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Ike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Ike returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only I ke were here.

Captain Obvious (2, Insightful)

bmgoau (801508) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089545)

Eating unhealthy foods causes health problems. News at 11. Try the new octo cheese burger while you're waiting.

Re:Captain Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089581)

What exactly is so obvious about this result?
-1 overrated

Re:Captain Obvious (5, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089605)

Eating unhealthy foods causes health problems. News at 11. Try the new octo cheese burger while you're waiting.

The news actually are a cleverly disguised "Fat people are dumb".

Re:Captain Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089961)

The news actually are a cleverly disguised "Fat people are dumb".

Really? I thought it was cleverly disguising "Internet Explore-r, is a fatty poom-bah" ...

Re:Captain Obvious (2, Interesting)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090047)

The news actually are a cleverly disguised "Fat people are dumb".

They're also more expensive [nytimes.com] .

Quoth the article:

Two years ago, the Cleveland Clinic stopped hiring smokers. It was one part of a "wellness initiative" that has won the renowned hospital -- which President Obama recently visited -- some very nice publicity. The clinic has a farmers' market on its main campus and has offered smoking-cessation classes for the surrounding community.

Refusing to hire smokers may be more hard-nosed than the other parts of the program. But given the social marginalization of smoking, the policy is hardly shocking. All in all, the wellness initiative seems to be a feel-good story.

Which is why it is so striking to talk to Delos M. Cosgrove, the heart surgeon who is the clinic's chief executive, about the initiative. Cosgrove says that if it were up to him, if there weren't legal issues, he would not only stop hiring smokers. He would also stop hiring obese people. When he mentioned this to me during a recent phone conversation, I told him that I thought many people might consider it unfair. He was unapologetic.

Translation for reading comprehension impaired: Obama wants to kill fat people. ;-)

Re:Captain Obvious (1)

sorak (246725) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090147)

The news actually are a cleverly disguised "Fat people are dumb".

They're also more expensive [nytimes.com] .

Quoth the article:

Two years ago, the Cleveland Clinic stopped hiring smokers. It was one part of a "wellness initiative" that has won the renowned hospital -- which President Obama recently visited -- some very nice publicity. The clinic has a farmers' market on its main campus and has offered smoking-cessation classes for the surrounding community.

Refusing to hire smokers may be more hard-nosed than the other parts of the program. But given the social marginalization of smoking, the policy is hardly shocking. All in all, the wellness initiative seems to be a feel-good story.

Which is why it is so striking to talk to Delos M. Cosgrove, the heart surgeon who is the clinic's chief executive, about the initiative. Cosgrove says that if it were up to him, if there weren't legal issues, he would not only stop hiring smokers. He would also stop hiring obese people. When he mentioned this to me during a recent phone conversation, I told him that I thought many people might consider it unfair. He was unapologetic.

Translation for reading comprehension impaired: Obama wants to kill fat people. ;-)

If it isn't written on his birth certificate, I don't believe it :)

Re:Captain Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090169)

Translation for reading comprehension impaired: Obama wants to kill fat people. ;-)

I for one am outraged; killing fat people should be left to the free market.

What's worse (5, Funny)

hansraj (458504) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089559)

On top of all that fatty food leaves you feeling bloated.

That is why for my short-term memory loss and performance hit in physical activities I prefer marijuana.

Re:What's worse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089573)

No way it totally increases performance. I know this might be anecdotal evidence but I definitely last longer in bed when I am high. Can pound that for hours you know what I mean. I don't see how marijuana effects short term I told her no way bitch get off my lawn, and she was all like get OUT! And I was like Oh no you didn't.

Re:What's worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089759)

Indica or sativa? Some kind of blend perhaps?

Grace period (5, Insightful)

illm (1106673) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089589)

Switching your intake to a low-carb-high-fat diet involves a grace period a week or so. This is to allow the body to "reshape" itself to use the fat as an energy source instead of the previous intake of carbonhydrates.

Symptoms of switching away from carbs to fat include; fatigue, dizzyness, high irritability and headache.

"After only a few days on the high-fat diet, the rats performed 30 percent worse on the treadmill. After five days of testing, the treadmill performance of the rats eating fatty foods had declined by half."

Any bells? So, nothing previously unknown to the lowcarbers here.

Personally, I tried the lowcarb-highfat diet about half a year ago, and actually did lose a few kilos, but the most interesting change for me was that I felt more awake, my stomach stopped producing funny amounts of gas, and never ever felt hungry. I got tired of it after a while though - I kinda missed the occasional potato and pasta - so I've taken back the lost kilos again. These days I just don't shun fat and avoid sugary stuff. Both me and my previously upset stomach feels great now.

Re:Grace period (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090151)

The Atkins diet and their ilk are great diets if you're a couch potato who doesn't need to be physically active or to think.

You need carbs to think - there's no way around it. And if you're into any type of sports, low-carb diets are the worst thing you can do for your body.

To top it off, Atkins died from slipping on ice and knocking his head. What the Atlkins folks don't tell you is that anyone on a normal diet would have survived because a side effect of the Atkins diet is a form of osteoporosis. That's right, Atkins basically died from a disease that little old ladies get.

n/a (1, Interesting)

floppycat (1592023) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089597)

Were all participants americans? If yes, this study says nothing about the rest of world population. Seriously, metabolism of humans differs across the world, like for example asians can't metabolize alcohol well.

Re:n/a (3, Funny)

Anoraknid the Sartor (9334) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089801)

.. all the participants were rats.

Make what you will of how that applies to Americans...

(Although applying the results of animal studies to humans is always best done with caution.)

more high carb propoganda (3, Insightful)

romeanthem2 (1220126) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089603)

More fat is bad rubbish. I am supposed to believe that eating saturated fat is bad but of course eating lots of carbs is good. Of course the first thing the body does to excess carbs is to convert them to saturated fat in the liver. Why not just eat fat directly and give the liver a break, whilst maintaining my insulin sensitivity? If any one still believes the lipid hypothesis I suggest you log onto Hyperlipid and spend some time reading.

Re:more high carb propoganda (2, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089635)

It is written so it is true?

Sorry, but "if you don't believe me, look there" is no way to prove anything. I mean, the earth is 6000 years old, if you don't believe me, read the Bible...

Re:more high carb propoganda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089721)

The bible makes no such claim.
Perhaps you should read it, but I'm pretty sure you never have and never will.

Re:more high carb propoganda (5, Interesting)

Delifisek (190943) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089685)

Totally agreed.

3 years before I start to work from home. My daily activity nearly zero. I sit chair every day. And I don't do any sport activity. Even barelly walking. Then I begin to gain weight. Probably I reach somewhere 125 kg.

2 months before I watch a documentary about eating Macs and dropping weight. Commentor says he was on low carb diet.

So I say why not ?

I Cut every carb, coke, icecream, sugar, bread, rice, pasta, cookies, chips even water mellon. And begin to eat meat etc.

Guess what ?

I'm melting man. I'm melting while I eat same amount of food. My skin get better, I do not get hugry as before. My wounds heal faster.

Now I'm about 110 kg. It was very nice to drop weight while, sitting and eating barbecue.

I just wonder what if I goto fitness center and do for example one hour working a day.

Just drop your blood sugar level. Your body will recover.

Re:more high carb propoganda (2, Informative)

romeanthem2 (1220126) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089729)

Glad you are losing weight. My opinion on exercise depends upon how overweight you are, and what you plan on doing. The damage to your joints from running is massive if you are heavy, and so is not worth doing. Walking is generally fine for almost everyone, and will benefit your health. Strength training is great, so is joint mobility work. Be careful of intense exercise, it can greatly increase your appetite and then you go on a massive binge, negating the point of the exercise completely.

Re:more high carb propoganda (4, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089971)

I was 250kg, then I took up alligator wrestling as a hobby.

Now I have lost an arm and a leg, and my weight has fallen drastically ...

Re:more high carb propoganda (5, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089999)

I Cut every carb, coke, icecream, sugar, bread, rice, pasta, cookies, chips even water mellon. And begin to eat meat etc.

It's worth pointing out that doing so means your grocery bill will tend to go up. Not a bad thing, of course, but in a world where people demand things being cheap (i.e., subsidised, or the product of industrial farming techniques), it may be difficult for the average person to see the value in doing so. Chickens, for example, were once upon a time considered "special" and eaten at most once per week. Today, we expect them at the drive-thru window.

Moreover, in tough economic times, the average person will want to lower the amount of money they spend, not increase it for "non-essentials" like healthy food. Poor people doubly so. From least to most expensive, our buying choices could be crudely summarised as:

1. Dirt
2. Refined Sugar or Corn Syrup
3. Carbohydrates
4. Protein
5. Fruits and Vegetables
6. Fats (Olive Oil, Butter, etc.)
7. Nuts
8. Champaign, Caviar or Hookers

So replace protein with carbohydrates if you can. I have lots of wealthy friends who do just that and demand fresh fish (fresh grilled salmon seems the most popular choice) on a daily basis. Those same people are quick to offer up factoids such as "Walnuts are a perfect food" without worrying that they cost more per pound than expensive cuts of meat. By contrast, the poor people I know typically limit their choices to refined sugar and carbohydrates.

Granted, protein is available from different sources (beans, dairy, meat from various animals) at different costs, but most of will always prefer the meat variety to form the basis of our diet.

As for the conclusions of the article, I'd raise the question that if you've succeeded in getting a happy dose of fat into your system at one indulgent sitting, what need or motivation is there for cognitive thinking? It may be that your body is telling you to just enjoy the feeling and do nothing else. Put another way, eating a pint of ice cream is not unlike smoking a joint; it's supposed to be its own reward. If you expected to be doing something else (like drive, work, operate heavy machinery, or do math), then maybe you made the wrong choice. ;-)

Motivation (5, Interesting)

bencollier (1156337) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089631)

No-one seems to have spotted the fact that the rats who were being fed fatty food may have had less motivation for completing the maze, given that the reward was more food. Am I missing something or is this entire study invalid?

Re:Motivation (2, Interesting)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089677)

I think you must have missed part of the study. They explained before-hand to the rats that if they completed the maze then they'd get good quality food instead of McDonalds drippings (the coagulated fat from frying, in case it is a British thing) but they still couldn't make themselves do any better ;)

Re:Motivation (1)

bencollier (1156337) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089855)

Hehe! The rats were shown the maze beforehand and were getting sweetened condensed milk, something like 10% fat, but 50% sugar/carbs so to be honest I don't know how it would affect their appetite. I just read TFA, not the full study - they could have mentioned this but it seems a fairly major factor left to be left unexplored.

The cause? (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089637)

I wonder what the underlying cause behind this is? Is it just some particular property of fat? Or is it that fat is both high in calories, and hard to digest, meaning your body's got to dedicate more time to digestion and less to cogitation. That'd explain why I feel sort of the same after having a low-fat, high-carb meal - something with a lot of bread, for example. Reading the article (which may not be an accurate representation of the study), the researchers basically had a bunch of rats on low-fat diets, then switched half to a high-fat diet. It would be also have been good to see rats that been on consistently high-fat diets, and rats that had another dramatic change in food, but with similar fat content.

So it's my diet? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089649)

And here I was thinking I just don't like listening to Auntie Martha's stories. Now I know it's all the cake she stuffs into my face why I blissfully forget anything she tells me during my semi-mandatory (as long as I want to inherit anything) visits.

I just wonder... is it something evolutionary and we had to endure those visits to old relatives we hate (or at least their stories), and we were always stuffed by them with sugar rich crap, so our body develops some sort of mental protection that whenever we cram down sugar into our system we instantly block out anything we get to hear at the same time...

Experiment flawed - *change* in diet the cause? (5, Insightful)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089651)

From the article:

To determine the effect of a fatty diet on memory and muscle performance, researchers studied 32 rats that were fed low-fat rat chow and trained for two months to complete a challenging maze.

And then later, some of the rats had their diet changed to a high-fat diet and others kept the same diet as before. But perhaps they just performed worse because the diet differed from what they were used to? To make a fair experiment there should also be a group of rats who were fed on a high-fat diet for two months during training, and then switched to low-fat for tests. Perhaps their performance would worsen too.

Re: NONSENSE !! RMS is EXTREMELY FATTY and (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089681)

NONSENSE !! RMS is EXTREMELY FATTY and there is nothing wrong with RMS. RMS is as fine a speciman of that which is NERD as one could ever hope to discover in the dark and dank caves these NERDs dwell.

light lobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089689)

This is just another example of how the light product industry are running their lobby. There are way to much money to be made from light products to allow people to even consider eating the fat alternative.

what fats? (4, Interesting)

tick-tock-atona (1145909) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089739)

I'm assuming these are saturated or trans-fats, which are known to cause disease and are already suspected to contribute [wikipedia.org] to neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's Disease, rather than polyunsaturated fats are supposedly good for you [wikipedia.org] . Neither TFA nor the study abstract indicate what they actually fed the rats.

Needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29089775)

I need the link for the study that proves the connection between sugars and starch being converted to fat that heads to the waste line more than fats.

Well.. Article is right, kind of.. (5, Interesting)

sw155kn1f3 (600118) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089785)

It's very surprising that these scientists don't read basic articles in their field.
Anyone who read at least one article at this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index [wikipedia.org] knows that eating 50% fat, 50% carbohydrates will make your insulin spike like hell, much worse than just eating all that fat and carbs but separately separated by 2-3 hours.
Insulin spike will cause direct hit on your glucose levels to the point of hypoglycemia, hence the fatigue and slow brain + longterm increased body fat. As a result you're hungry very fast and still have no energy.
Just eat them separately.
Or take more powerful approach with carb cycle diet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carb_cycling [wikipedia.org]
It works. I feel great all the time. Was not the case on Atkin's or any other food plan I ever been on (was obese since childhood, now not).

Re:Well.. Article is right, kind of.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090049)

Hey , I applaud your getting it right and dropping the pounds, righteous...

Overall, I feel that there have been studies for everything and still, greasy hamburgers and fries rule. Not much change from the days when McDonald's was the newest craze. Studies back then showed we were more concerned with clean restrooms than anything else. Show me a study and I'll find a study that refutes those findings. The only meaningful analytical advice I've followed consistently started with a 14 year old named Anand Lai Shimpi. He put his heart and soul into it for the right reasons. It has also taught me quite about this device I use to communicate with from time to time...

griff

Re:Well.. Article is right, kind of.. (1)

griffinfinity (121020) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090083)

Hey , I applaud your getting it right and dropping the pounds, righteous...

Overall, I feel that there have been studies for everything and still, greasy hamburgers and fries rule. Not much change from the days when McDonald's was the newest craze. Studies back then showed we were more concerned with clean restrooms than anything else. Show me a study and I'll find a study that refutes those findings. The only meaningful analytical advice I've followed consistently started with a 14 year old named Anand Lai Shimpi. He put his heart and soul into it for the right reasons. It has also taught me quite about this device I use to communicate with from time to time...

Hey mod, delete the 'coward' post above or at least rename it 'posted by insufficient memory and log-in error prone geek with an identity crisis'.

Much obliged,

griff

I don't get this ... (1)

g00ey (1494205) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089841)

What if I partake in a physically intense activity such as running, spinning, biking or weightlifting burning maybe 1000 - 1500 calories in one session, which I do occasionally? Then I NEED all that fat because my stomach is not capable of digesting enough calories from other food types since it can only take so much. Fat contains 9 kcal/g whereas other sources such as carbs and protein only contain 4 kcal/g. So there wouldn't be enough room in the stomach to refill that if I stuck to low-fat food.

In the end does it really matter what types of calories one takes in? Usually it is when one eats too much of it the problems arise.

Re:I don't get this ... (1)

Caue (909322) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089889)

I'm pretty sure your math is wrong, since fat can't be broken fast enough so it can be useful while doing exercises; your body will most likely start to ferment latic acid (check my english - i'm brazilian) rather than digesting that 600g hamburguer you just ate.

whats worse than fat (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089857)

High_Fructose_Corn_Syrup

this stuff is in everything, soda-pop, cookies, crackers, loaves of sliced bread, packaged food kits like Hamburger Helper and other similarly packaged items, high fructose corn syrup is not the corn syrup you buy in the bottle, this stuff is much worse, and comparing the two is like comparing the caffeine in a cup of coffee to MethAmphetemines. high fructose corn syrup should be made illegal because it is the single biggest offender in obesity...

Grain lobby propagaunda (4, Interesting)

mr_stark (242856) | more than 4 years ago | (#29089901)

I'm always amused when this kind of research comes out, talking about how fats are bad for you. Its much more complex than that. You really should be measure total calorie amount not just fat content. Too many calories is bad full stop. As other posters have mentioned the lack of energy is probably only a short term effect of switching to fat as a fuel source. I've switched over to a high fat/low carb diet (F50/P30/C20) and have no issues with lethargy or lack of concentration. I've got no problems with day to day programming tasks and haven't encountered any strength or endurance degradation in the gym.

I'm of the option that fat - esp saturated fat - is a much heather macro nutrient that carbs. The only carbs that the human digestive system can process in a raw state is sugar (think fruit), starch can be converted to sugar also but most of the other so called healthy carb sources needs processing before humans can consume them. Potatoes have to be cooked (try eating raw potatoes and see what happens), as does rice, wheat and grains have to be ground down into a powder. Fat on the other hand can be eaten straight off the animal. Humans aren't evolved to eat significant amounts of carbs.

Re:Grain lobby propagaunda (2, Interesting)

Caue (909322) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090001)

Potatoes don't have to be cooked - thay are just better when cooked. My mother used to make me eat raw potatoes whenever I had stomach problems - it levels the acidity.

Re:Grain lobby propagaunda (1, Informative)

Evil.Bonsai (1205202) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090045)

I think you're confusing 'carbs' with 'grains' (as the title to your post might suggest); humans are quite able to process carbs quite easily. Every eat fruti? How about vegetables? Yeah, those are carbs. But they do take a while to break down, plus they contain fiber, which is also good for you body. Grains, on the other hand, are BAD carbs (I'm talking about processed grains here, not the stuff you'd pick off a wheat plant growing in a field; good luck trying to eat THAT.) They break down too quickly into sugar, which is quickly absorbed into the blood stream, thus causing high spikes in insulin which leads, eventually, to insulin resistance. Stay away from most grains, eat lots of fruit/vegetables and lean protein and add in some poly unsaturated fat (almonds, cashews, avocado, olive oil/olives) and you'll be on your way to a leaner, healthier you.

Re:Grain lobby propagaunda (1)

teg (97890) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090113)

Every eat fruit? How about vegetables? Yeah, those are carbs. But they do take a while to break down (...) Grains, on the other hand, are BAD carbs (...) They break down too quickly into sugar, which is quickly absorbed into the blood stream

The carbs in grains break down to sugars like the ones in fruits/vegetables... the latter is absorbed far more quickly than carbs from grains.

I had always been told about cannabis' effects (2, Funny)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090019)

on (takes long drag) ... on...what was that again? Fatty foods, right, right...

Re:I had always been told about cannabis' effects (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090081)

It's not the weed, man, it's eating all the crap when the munchies set in. Told ya the whole time that ... eh ... umm... anyway, how long yer gonna bogart that blunt?

Re:I had always been told about cannabis' effects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090161)

I've been eating two eggs cooked in the bacon fat for as long as I can remember...I've never had any issues that I can remember....

Hogwash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29090027)

I eat fatty foods and my short-term memory is fine even though I eat fatty foods and my short term memory is fine.

And again: EPIC study FAIL (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090069)

First of all, if you are not separating the fats by their saturation, your data is going to be useless, as these fats have very different effects on the body.
And second, (refined) sugar/starch is ignored again, despite being a far worse problem in our society. (E.g. companies still advertising candy as "without fat".)

fatty foods have flavor (1)

realsilly (186931) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090077)

If there was a way to remove the flavors that make Fatty foods attractive to people, then people would be less likely to eat fatty foods. The sad truth for a large group of people (no pun intended) is that Fatty foods appeal to our tastebuds. Training our bodies to prefer and like non-fatty foods is not easy.

Harveys == start coding from scratch (1)

a voice in the crowd (559942) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090091)

during my microprocessor architecture course in U, we'd go for a fast food feast after a stint of writing assembler code for theoretical CPU's this typically involved a trip to Harveys for a big greasy burger and fries . On our return we'd often find that the you'd have to start again on what you were working on. the joke was that your short term memory got wiped. thanks for confirming this was in fact true!

Ridiculous (3, Informative)

Fished (574624) | more than 4 years ago | (#29090173)

This is typical of the sorts of studies that try to support the low-fat hypothesis. In this case, the problem is that they didn't give sufficient time to adjust to the new diet. It appears that the rats were only given 4 days to adjust to the high-fat diet, compared with weeks on the low-fat diet. The problem is that when the body switches from burning carbohydrates to fats, the fuel the brain uses changes from glucose to ketone bodies. As anyone who has tried a low-carb diet can tell you, for the first several days (a week or two for some people--no idea what it would be for rats) you feel rather dull and drained for several days. Then one day the "brain fairy" arrives and you have more energy, physically and mentally, than you've had in years.

I spent years as a near-vegetarian on a very low-fat diet and what it got me was literally 200 lbs. overweight and type 2 diabetes. I've now lost 46 lbs. on a low carb diet getting about 60% of my calories from FAT, my type 2 diabetes is basically cured, and I feel better than I've felt in at least ten years. My lipid profile has also improved dramatically.

Every study done thus far looking at low-carb vs. low-fat has shown that low-fat is a failure (read the studies, not just the blurbs or the conclusions). Think about it... over the past 20 years, Americans have reduced their fat intake by 25% and type 2 diabetes has increased by 1000%, heart disease has become MORE prevalent, strokes have become MORE prevalent. The Low Fat experiment is a failure. And make sure to read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes.

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