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How the Pirate Bay Will Be Legalized

Soulskill posted about 5 years ago | from the by-nobody-going-there-anymore dept.

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Death Metal sends along this excerpt from Torrentfreak about how Global Gaming Factory, the company who is buying The Pirate Bay, plans to change the site in order to avoid the wrath of the entertainment industry: "In a letter addressed to [shareholders], the company confirms that the new Pirate Bay will become a pay site, while revealing some additional details on how GGF plans to legalize it. To please the entertainment industry, GGF will install a system that will allow the copyright holders to either authorize the 'illegal' torrent or have it removed from the site. If the copyright holder chooses the first option, they will be compensated every time the file is downloaded. In addition, the board says that it will pay penalties if it has to. 'The holder will be able to leave the file and obtain compensation or ask for removal of the file. GGF will also pay any penalties that may arise,' the GGF board announced."

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Model (5, Insightful)

pete-classic (75983) | about 5 years ago | (#29120271)

So, the business model is to take away the things that people are probably most interested in, and start charging for whatever is left?

I can't wait for the IPO!

-Peter

Re:Model (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29120321)

They'd probably be better off just giving all their money away. It'll be just as successful as this asinine business model.

Re:Model (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 5 years ago | (#29120425)

Yeah, my first thought when reading this was

"Wave bye-bye to the Pirate Bay site..."

Re:Model (2, Funny)

grub (11606) | about 5 years ago | (#29120345)


This is modelled after the "Start paying your $699 licensing Fee you cock-smoking teabaggers" business plan.

Re:Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120687)

Darl McBride has mod points?!

Re:Model (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120393)

Have they got the Linux working yet?

Re:Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121003)

No, but we swear that the Year of the Linux Desktop is going to happen by at least 2285!

Re:Model (5, Insightful)

MaerD (954222) | about 5 years ago | (#29120417)

Maybe. I think what they are going for is a "pay a monthly fee and get all the games/music/etc you can download" and plan to pay the rights holders from the monthly fees..
I doubt that will really happen without DRM out the ying-yang, which will lead to the model of "oh crap, we're bankrupt".

Re:Model (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29120467)

Maybe. I think what they are going for is a "pay a monthly fee and get all the games/music/etc you can download" and plan to pay the rights holders from the monthly fees..

Well only if those games/music/movies/etc are allowed to be uploaded to the site by the content owner.

Re:Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120963)

It's so good that none of the responders so far have clue #1 how torrents work! The hilarious thing is, there is not a single solitary file "on" TPB--it's a SEARCH ENGINE. Even better? For the low price of ONLY $500 american (ca$h and in small bills please!) YOU can buy in on the ground floor consortium known as SGD Inc (Suck Google Dry Inc) which will be suing Google in a lower Elbonian court, sometime next week! Since Google indexes TPB, this is a SLAM DUNK! Once we have received our $30 trillion dollar judgment, you'll get your dividend/profit by Email! To take advantage of this DYNAMITE opportunity, just send your PayPal information to

Re:Model (2, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29121131)

It's so good that none of the responders so far have clue #1 how torrents work!

Torrents contain a SHA-1 hash of the individual chunks of the file, split anywhere from 64KB to 4MB, to be shared. It also contains the announce URL which the URL of the tracker that will index the file. The torrent is then indexed by the tracker which maintains a list of the peers and seeders and is used to help facilitate connections between each of the peers in the swarm.

Re:Model (1)

the_fat_kid (1094399) | about 5 years ago | (#29120591)

"pay a monthly fee and download as much of nothing as you like" There, fixed that for you

OK TPB was nice for a while. Let us see how many people will pony up cash for something they expect to be free. After that let's see how much "content" the "rights holders" are willing to put up for a share of nothing.
Please...

Re:Model (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#29120863)

Big content can't expect to get anywhere unless they offer the
consumer something better than what is already being offered.
In many cases, this is something that is FREE to the consumer
or is part of some larger bundle that yields Big Content slim
revenues per viewed unit already.

The best any particular individual mogul can hope for is to get
a bigger piece of what's left. They can get paid based on what
particular viewers actually want and watch.

Most of my DTV channels are just plain hidden because they have
nothing to offer me and would only serve as a pointless extra
computational burden on the scheduler of my PVR.

Re:Model (1)

j_166 (1178463) | about 5 years ago | (#29121347)

"Big content can't expect to get anywhere unless they offer the
consumer something better than what is already being offered.
In many cases, this is something that is FREE to the consumer
or is part of some larger bundle that yields Big Content slim
revenues per viewed unit already."

That's not entirely true. Bottled water sellers make money selling something that falls out of the sky in most places for free. There can be a model that outcompetes "free" in a given market, but this isn't it.

What is the point of the pirate bay existing in a fractured legitimate market? illegitimately, it was one among many clearing houses, its selling points being reputation, reliability, community-based quality assurance, large catalog, and (i believe) to a lesser extent price (price includes barrier to entry). Legitimately, it will have none of those qualities, except *maybe* quality assurance. So why would anyone go there when they can go to whatever the next thepiratebay is.

Re:Model (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 5 years ago | (#29121365)

I happily pay a fixed monthly fee to rent DVDs via post and stream an unlimited number TV shows and films (from a more limited, but rapidly-growing selection). If content producers want a slice of the money I pay to the company that provides this, all that they need to do is make their content available...

Re:Model (0, Redundant)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#29120827)

Well ... the "rights holders" seem to think that 30 songs are worth $1.9 million. At that rate the GGF will need about 32 quadrillion US dollars a month in income to keep up with the payments.

I for one wish them luck with their new business model.

Re:Model (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 5 years ago | (#29120949)

Does this me as a consumer will own a legit copy myself. I paid for this service that means the product I received is legit.

Re:Model (2, Insightful)

interploy (1387145) | about 5 years ago | (#29121373)

In the future, this will be the poster child for business schools for how not to make a business plan.

"Let's take a site synonymous with software piracy, alienate all the current users by making it legal, then try to sell it to all the other people who still think of it as the 'bad bad illegal download site'."

Maybe someone should inform them there are already legitimate markets for what they're trying to do: Netflix and Steam anyone?

Re:Model (1)

coolsteve (1582557) | about 5 years ago | (#29121889)

So, the business model is to take away the things that people are probably most interested in, and start charging for whatever is left?

I don't know about that. The MPAA just cares that they're making money. And many people are just interested in having a convenient place to get their movies, etc. iTunes was able to make craploads of money by offering a convenient place to download songs at a very reasonable price even though people could have gotten it for free elsewhere. I think that this model could work very well for Pirate Bay. I'd be interested in seeing how it turns out.

the by-nobody-going-there-anymore dept. (4, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29120273)

From the looks of their plan, nobody-going-there-anymore is about right.

Re:the by-nobody-going-there-anymore dept. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120625)

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Wow (3, Insightful)

GofG (1288820) | about 5 years ago | (#29120275)

Will it keep the name "The Pirate Bay"? That name implies piracy.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

jerep (794296) | about 5 years ago | (#29120367)

They're thinking about renaming it "The Ninja Bay"

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

BlueKitties (1541613) | about 5 years ago | (#29120491)

That's stupid. There's already a Ninja Bay. (And don't say you haven't ever heard of it, it's the NINJA bay, that's the point.) There server is at the center of the Earth.

Re:Wow (4, Funny)

ionix5891 (1228718) | about 5 years ago | (#29120649)

"The Kamikaze Bay" seems more appropriate

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120427)

I could make a Princess Bride joke about a retired Dread Pirate Robert's Bay, but instead I will go for this one:

The Website Formerly Known As The Pirate Bay.

Re:Wow (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29120481)

But exactly how do you make a url out of this [wikimedia.org] ?

Re:Wow (1)

Ractive (679038) | about 5 years ago | (#29120599)

http://www.o|+>.com

I know, I know they ain't valid characters

Neat (1, Interesting)

nametaken (610866) | about 5 years ago | (#29120277)

That's a bold idea that's unlikely to work. I think it's great that they're trying though.

Re:Neat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120453)

That's a bold idea that's unlikely to work. I think it's great that they're trying though.

You mean gave up?

Re:Neat (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 5 years ago | (#29120619)

They are not trying, the guys that owned TPB are goign to take their cash and run giggling all the way while the company that bought it will stand there looking at a fresh turd in a paper bag and ask... Wait, this is not what we though it was....

Kudos to TPB leaders, they got a sucker to buy their golden gate bridge.

The biggest irony of all is... (2, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#29120995)

The biggest irony of all is that by getting wildly rich the guys from TPB make it more attractive for other people to set up torrent sites. The RIAA is just cutting a single head off a huge hydra.

Re:Neat (1)

nametaken (610866) | about 5 years ago | (#29121587)

I know the original owners sold out, I meant it's a brave idea for the current owners. It's unlikely to work, but I'm glad they're trying.

If they go through with this (5, Insightful)

grahamsaa (1287732) | about 5 years ago | (#29120291)

The pirate bay will soon be very legal. . . and very dead.

TPB just sleeping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121243)

WWW>TPB's not pinin'! TPB's passed on! TPB is no more! TPB has ceased to be! TPB's expired and gone to meet its maker! TPB's a stiff! Bereft of life, TPB rests in peace! If you hadn't renewed its registration, TPB would be pushing up the daisies! TPB's tracking processes are now history! TPB's off the twig! TPB's kicked the bucket, TPB's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-TPB!!

GGF> Not it's not. It's just Napster.

Re:If they go through with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121497)

Eyyy matey, Jigaboo James here! Boog-a-loog-a-looo! Show me the bling, BABY!

Sooo (2)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 5 years ago | (#29120373)

So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.

Re:Sooo (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | about 5 years ago | (#29120435)

The best trackers are all private, and niche oriented. And then there's that thing nobody talks about.

Re:Sooo (0, Troll)

ionix5891 (1228718) | about 5 years ago | (#29120659)

Usenet??

Re:Sooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120691)

The best trackers are all private, and niche oriented. And then there's that thing nobody talks about.

Yeah, that thing is awesome and all the coolest people use it. They'll never figure it out, heh, heh.

Re:Sooo (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120709)

Oh, you mean Usenet?

For anybody who enjoys maxing out their connection speed while downloading their warez, get SABnzbd+ (google it, it's all cross platform too) and a Giganews.com subscription. Oh and you'll also want to get a Newzbin.com subscription while you're at it, it's invite only but it's not all that hard to get an invite.

Re:Sooo (3, Funny)

moxley (895517) | about 5 years ago | (#29121701)

DRAT!

Foiled by anonymity again....

But beware, you have violated the code of usenet, several rules of which are "never mention usenet," as well as promoting an indexing website that allows the uninitiated access to some of our secrets....and should the guild find you, well.....I don't think I have to tell YOU what will happen.

Re:Sooo (0, Offtopic)

mxh83 (1607017) | about 5 years ago | (#29121313)

What's that? pm me.

Re:Sooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121805)

The best trackers are all private, and niche oriented.

Private yes, niche oriented? No. I just checked my favorite tracker, it has over 2000 Blu-Ray movies currently active (seeded), excluding porn. The top 10 porn torrents by size are over 1 TB alone, mostly complete HD siterips. Hundreds of TV seasons with thousands of episodes. That doesn't include documentaries, music, sports and a bunch of other categories. According to the site stats there's about 150TB actively seeded right now. The Pirate Bay is just the tip of the ice berg they have no clue about.

Re:Sooo (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | about 5 years ago | (#29120601)

So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.

Try btjunkie.org

Re:Sooo (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 5 years ago | (#29120915)

Try btjunkie.org

A quick shoutout for a local (To me) guy: http://isohunt.com/ [isohunt.com]

Re:Sooo (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29121169)

ISOHunt isn't a tracker. It's an indexing site for torrents hosted on other sites.

Try google.com (4, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#29120895)

Just add "filetype:torrent" to the end of your search, eg.

watchmen filetype:torrent

Re:Try google.com (1)

eric-x (1348097) | about 5 years ago | (#29121649)

Without actual torrent sites google won't turn up many results.

Re:Sooo (4, Informative)

Crimson Wing (980223) | about 5 years ago | (#29121667)

So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.

Mininova, TorrentReactor, Torrents.to (formerly ISOhunt) for general torrent needs. For anime, check datorrents.com.

Because this strategy worked so well for Napster? (1)

popo (107611) | about 5 years ago | (#29120399)

I'm no psychic, but I'm going to predict that this works about as well as it did for them...

Re:Because this strategy worked so well for Napste (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | about 5 years ago | (#29121827)

I think they are operating in milk the money from the suckers mode while TPB still has buzz.

not gonna work (5, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 5 years ago | (#29120415)

That's like buying a whore house and getting rid of all the whores.

Re:not gonna work (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 5 years ago | (#29120499)

That's a ridiculous analogy.

It's much more like when you've gatecrashed a party full of drunken horny half naked cheerleaders, when suddenly all the hot ones disappear, and the fugly ones turn into whores.

Seriously, if we can't get whore-based analogies right, then we're no better than animals, or Belgians.

Re:not gonna work (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | about 5 years ago | (#29120855)

Oh sure, blame the Belgish. That's almost as dumb as blaming the Gremans for bombing Punxatawney Pennsylvania.

Re:not gonna work (1)

Bysshe (1330263) | about 5 years ago | (#29121093)

Don't blame the belgians. After all its not their fault they share a border with the Dutch

Re:not gonna work (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about 5 years ago | (#29121457)

a party full of drunken horny half naked cheerleaders, when suddenly all the hot ones disappear, and the fugly ones turn into whores. Seriously, if we can't get whore-based analogies right

Maybe I've looked at the wrong teams, but the lesser half of a druken horny half named cheerleading team turning into whores still sounds pretty good to me...

Re:not gonna work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120557)

What, no one else goes for the hip decor?

Re:not gonna work (1)

wbren (682133) | about 5 years ago | (#29120593)

Personally, I'm hoping for a catchy musical number [youtube.com] that will save The Pirate Bay.

Couldn't be any worse than the plan in TFA...

How much will the pay site cost? (3, Insightful)

badfish99 (826052) | about 5 years ago | (#29120463)

The copyright holders are now getting fines of about $100000 per illegal download, if I remember correctly. So if the Pirate Bay will pay this as compensation every time it slips up, it's going to have to be a rather expensive pay site, isn't it?

Re:How much will the pay site cost? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29120527)

Well maybe Global Gaming Factory has 50 quintillion dollars in their war chest so that they can pay for the 10s of millions of cumulative unauthorized downloads that have and are currently happening on the site.

Hmm, an underpants gnome model... (1)

nweaver (113078) | about 5 years ago | (#29120469)

1: Pay content providers for any infringing file
2: ???
3: Profit!

OMG (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 5 years ago | (#29120497)

That is probably one of, if not *the* worst business model I've ever heard in my life.

Re:OMG (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29120653)

No worries they make up for this shortcoming by falling back to the business model of the dot com era where you make it up with volume!

check riaaradar.com (4, Informative)

Dan667 (564390) | about 5 years ago | (#29120521)

When you buy music, make sure to check http://riaaradar.com/ [riaaradar.com] to see if the album is from a company that funds the RIAA. If they do, don't buy it and stick it to them a couple dollars of lost earnings at a time.

Re:check riaaradar.com (2, Informative)

Spewns (1599743) | about 5 years ago | (#29121443)

Well, if you're talking about The New Pirate Bay, I doubt you're going to be able to choose where your monthly fee (or whatever) is going. All the cash will go into a common pool, and you're going to be funding the MAFIAA even if you don't touch any of their content - which is the biggest reason why you shouldn't use the new site. If you're just talking in general, I agree.

misunderstanding the issue (5, Insightful)

Aurisor (932566) | about 5 years ago | (#29120553)

The IP cartels' opposition to piracy isn't just about the piracy itself; they are scared to death of the creation of a decentralized alternative to their existing systems for finding and exploiting artistic talent. The only reason they would embrace *any* method of distribution they don't have total control over is absolute desperation.

It's not about monetizing piracy. If they can't sell you a new version every couple years, control release dates, price a product differently in different regions, censor products for certain markets, or control how the product is presented then your distribution channel is a *threat* to them and they are going to try and take it down. If a kid can record a hit album with two grand worth of hardware and software - and, even worse, distribute it with two hundred bucks worth of hardware, how can they make their millions?

It's not about money. It's about them retaining the control they need to foist their ideal business model on the rest of the world.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

Itninja (937614) | about 5 years ago | (#29120665)

So wait...it's not about money? It's about control? The RIAA is evil to be sure, but they are not trying to set up fiefdoms or topple governments here. Of course it's about money. The control you speak of is there; as a mechanism to generate more money.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (2, Insightful)

damburger (981828) | about 5 years ago | (#29120817)

What is the difference between money and control? You take a nation, you divide up control of its productivity into a couple of trillion units, and you call those units 'pounds' or 'dollars' or 'euros'. The idea that the economy is something pure and abstract which can be separated from the grubby world of power and control is a fallacy spread by neoliberals, who want to convince you that corporations are somehow more ethical and accountable than governments.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

Aurisor (932566) | about 5 years ago | (#29121689)

The RIAA is evil to be sure, but they are not trying to set up fiefdoms or topple governments here.

This is what we call a straw man. No one would reasonably argue that the RIAA is trying to set up a fiefdom, your point goes, therefore any assertion that they must be primarily concerned with power is false.

The reality of the situation is that they are most concerned with maintaining artificially high prices, eliminating competition, and creating artificial barriers to entry into the marketplace. Even if they could make the price of a record off of every pirated album somehow, they would still eventually be run out of business because their model is not sustainable if they have to deal with competition and modern technology.

Furthermore, none of those activities actually *create* value. Your position is like arguing that someone cornering the market for, say, grain is just using a mechanism to generate more money, when in reality, it's a way of creating artificial scarcity to demand MORE value from other people in exchange for your product.

This was my original point. The amount of money that the new pirate bay can produce is irrelevant because it's not about selling products for money. It's about preventing competition.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120773)

It's not about money.

So, it's not about money?

It's about them retaining the control they need to foist their ideal business model on the rest of the world.

So it is about money?

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

Aurisor (932566) | about 5 years ago | (#29121331)

It's not about money.

So, it's not about money?

It's about them retaining the control they need to foist their ideal business model on the rest of the world.

So it is about control?

-------------------

Fixed that for you.

In case you're wondering how I arrived at my results, I would point out that the part where I said it's about "retaining ... control" indicates that it's about control, which is easily confused with money.

Whoosh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121829)

You didn't clear anything up "for me". I tried to clear it up for you, but I guess I expected too much thought on your part.

Let me type more slowly and be more direct this time, so that you don't have to think so hard:

You are confusing means and motive. Control is just the means, (maximized accumulation of) money is the motive.

In the corporate world, it is always about money.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121133)

what a load of tinfoil hat bullshit.
but hey, just rationalise whatever the fuck makes you feel not so bad for ripping off people who make movies music and games eh?

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

jitterman (987991) | about 5 years ago | (#29121469)

You had me until "it's not about money."

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

BenSnyder (253224) | about 5 years ago | (#29121711)

That's a bit of an extreme position to take. After all, how is that kid going to make money when his stuff is pirated too?

The question is, how profitable is intellectual property? Yes, I know, information wants to be free. But does that mean that folks who want to make a living by creating intellectual property are just going to have to suck it up and make due? It's not a clear cut good vs. bad situation.

It's understandable to feel like it's the People vs. the Borg when the RIAA is brought into the discussion but in a larger sense, the RIAA isn't the issue.

The issue is the same thing that was discussed way back in 1994 by John Perry Barlow (co-founder of the EFF) in Wired magazine in an article titled "The Economy of Ideas [wired.com] ".

"Throughout the time I've been groping around cyberspace, an immense, unsolved conundrum has remained at the root of nearly every legal, ethical, governmental, and social vexation to be found in the Virtual World. I refer to the problem of digitized property. The enigma is this: If our property can be infinitely reproduced and instantaneously distributed all over the planet without cost, without our knowledge, without its even leaving our possession, how can we protect it? How are we going to get paid for the work we do with our minds? And, if we can't get paid, what will assure the continued creation and distribution of such work?"

Re:misunderstanding the issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121725)

The IP cartels'...

Since the cartel word has been opened. Is there really a difference between the IP/Music cartels and the drug cartels or voice communication cartels? Clearly, there is _thousands_ of years of demand for the products/services. Clearly, there does not seem to be an end in site of the demand. Now, remind me what the major problem is for someone holding the key to this holy grail?

It seems as though the bottom line is that people want to listen to what they want to listen to when they want to listen to it. Just like using a cellular based telephone. People pay outragous amounts of money every month for a cellular telephone. Its so expensive and profitable that its common for them to give away the phones so they can make money off of the service. I don't see why a simliar model cannot be attained for music. Give people a relatively inexpensive disk that holds a fixed amount of space, and you pay a service that is more convenient to get music than torrents are for most people.

These asshats, like Napster 2.0, expect people to pay for limited content using the same software (or worse) that they are already using, when they can do it again for _free_ from another site. Convenience is the only thing that can compete with free.

Re:misunderstanding the issue (1)

Aurisor (932566) | about 5 years ago | (#29121813)

Ok, since everyone seems to be complaining about my statement that it's "not about the money," I will clarify.

The IP cartels' primary concern is not profit or the creation of value, but rather the elimination of competition and the continuation of artificial barriers to entry. Of course, nearly *everything* in capitalism is motivated by money, but if your business model is predicated on the absence of competition, you're better off having your competition be freeloading pirates than paying partners.

That was my original point. Sorry to have over-simplified.

So let's see if I get this straight. (5, Insightful)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | about 5 years ago | (#29120661)

  • It's legal for me to make a backup copy of my media, in case of theft or destruction, except that owning or building the tools to allow me to create the copy is not legal -- although arguably this makes any turing machine attached to a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drive illegal.
  • It's legal for me to watch tv or listen to radio for free by receiving transmissions, and I can even record them and keep the recording indefinitely as long as I only use it for personal use, but it's illegal for me to stream media over the internet and capture the stream, and it's illegal for me to transmit over the internet.
  • It's legal for me to trade or lend CDs, DVDs, etc. with friends I know, or to buy or sell used copies, as long as they're legitimate (not pirated), but it's illegal for me to use the internet to facilitate either the search or the trading or to expand my group of "friends", even though I could go to a public library and essentially achieve the same ends by swapping media with a large group of people (the public) who I don't actually know.
  • If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.

Did I miss anything?

Re:So let's see if I get this straight. (1)

Tweenk (1274968) | about 5 years ago | (#29121203)

Did I miss anything?

Yes, Turing machines do not exist

Re:So let's see if I get this straight. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121225)

Don't forget, if its out of print, then Google can reprint it and make money off of it, unless you knew to opt out of class action lawsuit you probably weren't even aware of.

Re:So let's see if I get this straight. (1, Troll)

Beerdood (1451859) | about 5 years ago | (#29121275)

The major differences in the sharing of digital media vs a cd / dvd copy is that only one person can listen or watch the cd / dvd being used. It's fine if you want to lend your friend a copy of your cd, because now you can't listen to that copy while he's got it. If you apply this to a torrent or file sharing program, you're essentially burning a cd and giving it to your friend, which is illegal for a good reason.

Re:So let's see if I get this straight. (3, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 5 years ago | (#29121419)

It's legal for me to watch tv or listen to radio for free by receiving transmissions, and I can even record them and keep the recording indefinitely as long as I only use it for personal use, but it's illegal for me to stream media over the internet and capture the stream, and it's illegal for me to transmit over the internet.

Yeah and? Fair Use has never allowed you to rebroadcast copyrighted content without consent of the copyright holder whether it be on the internet or through a TV transmitter.

It's legal for me to trade or lend CDs, DVDs, etc. with friends I know

Actually this can be arguable. It's more of a gray area that is most likely ignored.

or to buy or sell used copies, as long as they're legitimate (not pirated),

Yes, this would be the First Sale Doctrine.

but it's illegal for me to use the internet to facilitate either the search or the trading or to expand my group of "friends",

You've never had the right to willfully facilitate copyright infringement. This is a 36 year old precedent. I suggest you look up the ruling on Elektra Records Co. v. Gem Electronic Distributors, Inc.

even though I could go to a public library and essentially achieve the same ends by swapping media with a large group of people (the public) who I don't actually know.

Yes, because this falls under fair use. Your previous example has never been considered fair use.

If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.

Why would you have a legal recourse? No one is obligated to sell you a product, let alone sell you one in the form you desire.

Legalize it? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29120667)

Dont you mean bury it?

Get real, TPB was only there due to piracy, if that is gone, its of ZERO value.

In a word... (1)

LatencyKills (1213908) | about 5 years ago | (#29120671)

Unsucessfully.

And the industry is getting wise (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 5 years ago | (#29120699)

Hulu, ABC.Com, etc. Are now offering content with minimal (and well targeted) commercials.

I watched half of "Burn Notice" on Hulu this season.

Most of the Anime I like is online free as well.

There is such a huge glut of entertainment that the deal really will end up being some form of "unlimited content for a fixed price". And at that point, you lose most of the reason to pirate.

I do get things which are unreleased / out of print this way so that will likely continue (until everything is rereleased).

I watch/read/play a smaller and smaller percentage of the content every year. The current output is more than you can keep up with. Just catching up with "Bones" is going to take months.

Re:And the industry is getting wise (1)

Tweenk (1274968) | about 5 years ago | (#29121371)

Hulu, ABC.Com, etc. Are now offering content with minimal (and well targeted) commercials.

To US residents only.

Most of the Anime I like is online free as well.

Most of it on PirateBay and similar sites.

There is such a huge glut of entertainment that the deal really will end up being some form of "unlimited content for a fixed price". And at that point, you lose most of the reason to pirate.

The logical conclusion of this trend is to allow unrestricted sharing of everything and compensate artists from a tax imposed on consumer broadband. That would be great but I don't see it happening any time soon, or even in my lifetime.

Think of the popularity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120743)

The "legal" Pirate Bay, will have the same or less popularity as the "legal" Napster.

Lets charge people for links! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29120765)

TPB is a site full of links to torrents. There are many other sites that link to torrents, and furthermore once links are obtained by end users, they are easy enough to pass on via email, social networking sites, and instant messaging. The owners of TPB must be laughing their arses off - someone has come along offering to pay to take a site off their hands that will become essentially useless as soon as its sold, and thus take the legal heat off them.

I still think the upper echelons of industry are lagging behind in their understanding of technology by a few years. There seems to be an assumption that all sites they associate with piracy are equal and that this will just be Napster V2.0. Has somebody actually sat down with these people and explained what bittorrent actually is?

So long TBP!! (1)

nomorecwrd (1193329) | about 5 years ago | (#29120829)

I'm sure that, with this business model, TBP will take the Napster way to oblivion.

DHT Hash sites (4, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | about 5 years ago | (#29120859)

You know what is going to happen? We are going to get sites that do nothing but list DHT hash URI's (or maybe just the hashes) instead of torrent files. I wonder how the powers that be will take that?

Must appease... (1)

wangahrah (898109) | about 5 years ago | (#29120941)

I, for one, welcome our new commercialized pirate overlords.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121279)

I hope someone has backed up the entire TPB site, because as soon as it changes, someone will need to set up the new one then.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29121477)

Don't forget the "hidden" searches... hint: Something to do with roman numeral "D"

alternatives? (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | about 5 years ago | (#29121555)

I'm not going to try to justify things here... I download copyrighted material. I like to think that I'm not quite so evil because ultimately I do pay for the stuff that I actually like - but it is still piracy.

So, where do I get my torrents now?

The Pirate Bay was pretty much my go-to site to find just about anything. I'm not sure where to look these days.

Any suggestions?

Why is this relevant? (1)

Hut_tuH (951048) | about 5 years ago | (#29121613)

The Pirate Bay is dead... time to move on.

This new company essentially made an expensive domain name purchase

Would anyone really be interested in this new companies scheme if it were called the TheCommercialCove.com rather than(feebly) hiding behind the pirate bay "brand"?

Multifail! You get zero points! (3, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 5 years ago | (#29121619)

The Pirate Bay already *was* legal. What they did now, is openly state that they themselves think it's not legal. Which would probably be the biggest failure they could possibly do.

If it weren't for their plan to try, what a bazillion of other sites tried in this exact form, where they all failed horribly without exception, and where there still are retards trying it again and again. Are they drunk? Did they learn nothing? Did they never read the news? Or is it like flies flying into an bug zapper?

so... (3, Insightful)

SCHecklerX (229973) | about 5 years ago | (#29121825)

Who is going to pay the people who take the time and effort to encode (pirate, if you must use the term) the stuff? Yeah, it's not their original content, but certainly the *value* in the stuff you get from TPB is the format, and that stuff doesn't just magically happen, you know. I mean, if I wanted a permanent copy for myself, I could rent and rip myself. But I have better things to do with my time. And for stuff I only intend to watch once, well, TPB is a better option than blockbuster or netflix.

Profit! (3, Insightful)

AttilaSz (707951) | about 5 years ago | (#29121839)

1. Create a moderately funny home video. Heck, create crappy home video.
2. Upload to PirateBay
3. Instruct your 1000+ machine BitTorrent botnet to download it 24/7
4. Ask GGF to pay royalties for downloads.
5. Profit!

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