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New Logitech Dark Field Mice Operate On Glass

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the data-goes-in-here dept.

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Slatterz writes "Logitech has introduced new mice that use two lasers rather than one to work on a variety of previously unusable surfaces. The first laser picks out imperfections in the surface of a tabletop while the second laser focuses on microscopic imperfections highlighted and uses those to direct the cursor. The technique, dubbed dark field microscopy, allows mice to be used on almost any surface, including glass (as long as it is more than 4mm thick)."

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Dark Field Microscopy... (4, Interesting)

ruinevil (852677) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152361)

It can also detect the spirochetes that cause syphillis, Treponema palladium.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (1)

greenguy (162630) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152409)

You overestimate the power of the dark field!

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (5, Funny)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152547)

I find your lack of faith in the dark field disturbing.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (5, Informative)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152559)

In case anyone cares, "dark field" refers to an imaging technique which uses a light beam to illuminate a surface, but positions the sensor such that specular reflections (i.e., direct reflections which occur when light strikes a fairly smooth surface) are not picked up by the sensor. Instead, scattered (diffuse) reflections are picked up by the sensor, which highlights bumps and nicks in the surface.

Compare this to "bright field" which refers to a technique where the specular reflection is received directly by the image sensor. The specular reflection is typically much brighter than any diffuse components which also happen to strike the sensor, so a simple threshold is able to filter out the diffuse components.

Both techniques are used in, e.g., inspection of objects for defects, such as integrated circuits and masks, PCB soldering, etc.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (3, Funny)

deglr6328 (150198) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152649)

also, it doesn't have shit to do with using "two lasers", the story writer at PC Authority is just retarded. In addition, if I might editorialize, is this really necessary? How hard is it to just grab a piece of paper or something and use that, or, GASP, use a mousepad! What's Logitech going to come out with next, a raman scattering microscopy, mid-infrared quantum cascade utilizing wireless mouse, for those times when you simply must do your mousing on an atomically pure, sub-angstrom microroughness telescope mirror in a class 1 cleanroom? cmon now.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (5, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152951)

Well, they do use two lasers. No, it doesn't REQUIRE two for technique of "dark microscopy" itself, and the article's description of their use doesn't make much sense at all... it's just to provide more than one angle to bounce off any imperfections.

Still, I don't see anything wrong with a mouse that tracks so well it will work on glass. It's not like it is designed for glass ONLY, it just means it will work even better on any surface you have. It's just the stupid blogs and reviews that have to go rub it on everry glass surface they can find - Logitech's marketing just says "Experience extreme accuracy and flawless tracking on virtually all surfaces."

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (0, Redundant)

mewrei (1206850) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153061)

You say that as if it WOULDN'T be epic to have one of those

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152601)

Bah, humbug. I went to the doctor and asked them to check if they saw any syphilis with this, but they told me they couldn't even find where to look.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (5, Funny)

rattaroaz (1491445) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152647)

It can also detect the spirochetes that cause syphillis, Treponema palladium.

Yes, but maybe you should just see the doctor instead of waiting for the mouse to come to market.

Re:Dark Field Microscopy... (2, Funny)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153323)

Unless in hospital or prison where would your average Slashdot reader get syphilis from? Now nterococcus faecium (VRE), methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), and Pseudomonas aeruginosa might be on their keyboards and be fun to detect.

Something something something dark side! (4, Funny)

Lemming Mark (849014) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152363)

This tech sounds awesome in an evil way. Or evil in an awesome way, I guess.

Re:Something something something dark side! (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152443)

Why yes, sounds suspiciously like the evil HHGG v2, the bird...

Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (5, Funny)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152809)

The first laser picks out imperfections in the surface of a tabletop while the second laser...

Sound familiar? This sounds to me like it could be the start of a Gillette vs Schick style pissing contest, the absurd current state of which was foretold by The Onion. [theonion.com]

Let me go on record as predicting Microsoft will bring out a 3-laser mouse within 12 months. With an ergonomic grip and lubricating strips on each end.

Re:Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152983)

With an ergonomic grip and lubricating strips on each end.

Hmmmmmm. The lubricating strips could help me with my one handed mousing.

Re:Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29153025)

Hmmmmmm. The lubricating strips could help me with my one handed mousing.

I think I've spotted a flaw in your plan: the hand that needs lubrication is not the same as the mouse hand.

Re:Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (2, Funny)

kimvette (919543) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153353)

You would think so, but he is REALLY into his computer!

Re:Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (1)

TheGreenNuke (1612943) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153017)

I'm holding out for the equivalent of the Platinum Mach14 [jt.org] . That or the vibrating "power" version.

Re:Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers! (1)

acidream (785987) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153287)

I've got one of those vibrating "power" razors, and its actually one of the best razors i've ever used, too bad the damn blades are 17 dollars a box.

But Five blades really is better. (4, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153113)

First off I wouldn't give the Onion too much credit for "foretelling the blade count war", because, every teenager and pre-teen has been making 22 blade razor jokes probably since they first made twin blade razors. It's not a big deal

Secondly, five bladed razors are better. The five blade Gilette Fusion is a wonderful razor. Having to use an old twin blade compared to the fusion is just terrible. In fact, my wife routinely steals mine (and a fresh blade), in order to do her legs. Lady's twin blade razors in cute little pink and white packages do not work as well as a good old five blade ultra sharp kick butt razor.

Bottom line is, if Gillette's research arm comes up with diamond tipped blades, or some sort of a ten bladed razor, then they've got my interest. Paying extra for a razor may seem like a waste to some, but after twenty or thirty years of shaving with crappy razors, those few extra bucks are money well spent. A good razor is worth it, and honestly, I could see a good mouse being worth it too.

ultra-minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152401)

Does that mean I can scan for ultra-minute imprefections in my counterfit art mousepad?

how's this compare to BlueTrack? (5, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152411)

This is pretty much the selling point for Microsoft's BlueTrack [microsoft.com] (video at Amazon [amazon.com] ) as well. Theirs appears to be based on a blue LED and some optics picking up / processing the scattering, rather than dual lasers, but since they're more or less aimed at the same problem and claim similar success, I'd be curious how they compare.

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (2, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152475)

Replying to my own post, it looks like BlueTrack specifically disclaims working on glass. However, a different mouse [royche.co.kr] already claimed to work on glass [gizmodo.com] two years ago.

I suppose what I most want is a bit of an overview of what current mouse tech we have and what they're good for.

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (3, Interesting)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152621)

And people wonder why i still have a ball mouse. Periodically I find it useful to have something that works even on dirty windows.

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (2, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152943)

Eh - to each his own. With my optical mouse I can sit it on the leg of my jeans (even on the side if I feel like it) and use my mouse wherever I want. Or on the actual surface of my couch. Ball mice tend to not work so well on fabrics.

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29153355)

Why don't you just get a trackball?

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (1)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153451)

Eh - to each his own. With my optical mouse I can sit it on the leg of my jeans (even on the side if I feel like it) and use my mouse wherever I want. Or on the actual surface of my couch. Ball mice tend to not work so well on fabrics.

And with my trackball, I can do all of the above, and not have to move the mouse around physically to do it. Plus, because the ball is a fixed entity, the lasers/pickups can be optimized for it (and it can be designed for most efficiency too). So not only do I not have to move the damned thing, meaning that I've got that much more desk space available for notes and such, it's much more accurate.

Or perhaps we could stop with the pissing match and saying how mine's better than yours, and agree that it's a question of personal preference, and that people will choose what they want to choose?

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (1, Redundant)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153471)

Or perhaps we could stop with the pissing match and saying how mine's better than yours, and agree that it's a question of personal preference, and that people will choose what they want to choose?

Perhaps you never learned the meaning of "to each his own", which I explicitly prefixed my comment with?

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29153461)

Yep. It all depends on your particular needs. I sometimes tend to lift my mouse sometimes when I am playing games. No problem with my ball mouse, but when I do it with my optical mouse, the cursor sometimes goes screaming away in a direction I didn't intend to move.

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (2, Funny)

TheGreenNuke (1612943) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153039)

Periodically I find it useful to have something that works even on dirty windows.

See now I'm just confused. Is there a clean version of Windows that I wasn't aware of?

Re:how's this compare to BlueTrack? (1)

drizek (1481461) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152681)

Blue LED

Dual Laser Beams

It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is the cooler solution.

Umm... (5, Informative)

adolf (21054) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152429)

Didn't Logitech make a mouse that worked on "any surface" about five fucking years ago [slashdot.org] ?

*puzzle*

Re:Umm... (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152515)

Mice that work on any surface have existed for years. They use an amazing technology called a "ball."

Re:Umm... (4, Interesting)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152561)

Sorry, but no ball mouse worked on my carpet for very long before being strangled, but the optical ones have no issue...

Re:Umm... (1)

cshake (736412) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153137)

Yeah, but that old trackball works perfectly anywhere, and has a tiny footprint!

Re:Umm... (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153401)

I still have a vintage 1997 Cirque Glidepoint (what you whipper-snappers might call a "trackpad"). It works fine on any surface, and takes up a whole lot less room than a typical trackball.

Re:Umm... (1)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152827)

It definitely makes me think of the apocryphal story of NASA spending millions developing a pen that could write in space while the Russians just used a pencil.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152977)

except that story is fucking bullshit and the pen maker approached NASA after it was developed

Re:Umm... (1)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153023)

Which is why he called it "the apocryphal story".

Re:Umm... (3, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153011)

It's all fun and smug until all the fine graphite dust emitted by the pencil fucked up your capsule. Fischer Space Pen FTW!

Re:Umm... (2, Funny)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153201)

That story's bullshit, they brought up an extra astronaut to swing the pen in circles so the ink stayed in the tip.

Re:Umm... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152963)

"They use an amazing technology called a "ball."

Revise that to "trackball" and you'd be correct.

Re:Umm... (4, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152519)

We have more surfaces today than five years ago, obviously. You can't really expect old technology to remain relevant in such a fast moving world as ours, can you?

Re:Umm... (4, Funny)

cailith1970 (1325195) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152587)

Yep, glass has only been invented since 2004. Before that we just used melted sand. ;)

Re:Umm... (1)

raving griff (1157645) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152979)

Regardless of glass's age, it has only become a mainstream feature of desks in the past five to ten years. I would be willing to bet that five years ago, the fraction of people using a glass computer desk was a tiny minority. Aside from that, mousepads were still in wide circulation, as roller ball mice were still somewhat mainstream. These two facts combined mean that very few people would run into a problem with being able to use their mouse with a glass desk.

Re:Umm... (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153085)

And yet I use a glass mouse pad on my wooden desk quite well with any laser or optical mice :)

Check out the Rantopad range, smoked glass pads that look cool and weigh enough that they will never slip off the desk.

Re:Umm... (4, Funny)

BagOCrap (980854) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152673)

Never got mine to work on top of a pizza... Might've been the cheese?

don't be so picky! (5, Funny)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152435)

>The first laser picks out imperfections in the surface of a tabletop while the second laser focuses on microscopic imperfections highlighted and uses those to direct the cursor.

Anybody doing retail sales has surely encountered couples like this. I'll bet the second laser demands a discount for the imperfections that the first laser found.

Re:don't be so picky! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152507)

I can only assume you used a non-proportional font because you didn't want me to read your post.

Welcome to slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152453)

You just stopped scrolling

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More than 4mm thick (3, Informative)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152479)

What consumer glass tables are more than 4mm thick? Yeah designer stuff and commerical furniture that has glass surfaces use 5-10mm glass, but this will still be useless on consumer grade furniture. Chances are, if you're a consumer using a consumer grade mouse, you'll be using it on consumer grade glass furniture.

Re:More than 4mm thick (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152527)

So you're saying this mouse doesn't work on windows?

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152663)

Well played sir, well played.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

blg42 (1484007) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152665)

So you're saying this mouse doesn't work on windows?

But then what really does...

Re:More than 4mm thick (3, Funny)

deglr6328 (150198) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152693)

No it should work fine, most window(s) installations are usually pretty dirty.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

compwiz3688 (98919) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153027)

Yup. After doing some field tests on the mice, this error message keeps popping up:

Your mouse has moved. Please restart Windows for the change to take effect.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

turing_m (1030530) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153375)

Classic.

Re:More than 4mm thick (5, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152551)

Any time I have ever encountered anything resembling a glass table, it has always been a freaking slab of glass, not 4mm of it.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152955)

No joke. Maybe the original poster is confusing mm and cm or something, because 4mm is pretty darned slim. Almost everything I've seen would run more like 10 or 12mm in thickness.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152749)

No. I have a glass top on my cocktail table and it was priced just about equal to wood top and tile top cocktail tables. The glass is 0.25" thick which is 6.35 mm. It's 2'x4' and only cost a couple hundred bucks; certainly not designer.

Re:More than 4mm thick (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152815)

Well you're in luck if you need to check slashdot at a cocktail party now aren't you? :)
 
Seriously though, most glass top desks you can buy at office depot are 4mm or less.

Re:More than 4mm thick (2, Informative)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153135)

What consumer glass tables are more than 4mm thick?

All of them. 4mm is the thinnest glass you will find in a house - e.g. windows, cabinet doors.
Coffee tables around here use 5mm, and larger tables are thicker.
Unless you mean supported glass, like a mirror or a glass sheet over a wooden table-top.

Heard in Microsoft HQ... (5, Funny)

l3ert (231568) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152487)

Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Lasers...

Re:Heard in Microsoft HQ... (1)

AntikInsomniak (1565343) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152543)

I lol'd

Re:Heard in Microsoft HQ... (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152709)

It certainly says something about the current state of humanity, when the "news" reported by The Onion often eventually becomes true.

Field Mice (3, Funny)

Kratisto (1080113) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152489)

So how does the field mouse tell the Logitech Mouse where the imperfections in the surface are? Presumably Logitech has decoded the language of the tiny mammals.

Or you can just... (1)

PrimaryConsult (1546585) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152509)

keep a mousepad in your laptop bag.

Come on... (1)

More_Cowbell (957742) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152567)

I normally hate when people comment about prices, but come on... $80 or $100 for a mouse? I guess I'm a hypocrite, but that seems ridiculous. I'll be sticking with my regular laser mouse that works on *almost* any surface...

Re:Come on... (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152627)

Obviously, this is aimed at the same retards that call themselves audiophiles and spend obscene amounts of money on wooden stand offs because it makes the noise sound "warmer".

That said, I'm going to order two. :p I can't help it if I've got a thing for mice and stationary.

Re:Come on... (1)

Mauzl (1312177) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152741)

This just in: Premium items not for everybody.

Film at 11.

Re:Come on... (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152969)

All depends on what your priorities are (or how much disposable income you have). Buying the best of anything will generally seem irrational to people not really into that area. Hell I paid over $100 for my last remote control. Sure there's universal remotes over at Walmart for $8, but those can't be programmed over USB . . . :)

Re:Come on... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153009)

I've alway paid about $80 to $90 for a Logitech mouse, going back to 1991. You get what you pay for...however, the recent SetPoint drivers have really driven down the quality of otherwise excellent hardware.

Precision technology (5, Funny)

m.mascherpa (687120) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152581)

I'm so glad we figured this out.
It was unacceptable that we weren't able to use mice on glass.
My productivity will increase dramatically.

Re:Precision technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152697)

I sense and appreciate your sarcasm, but those of us that live in that type of house are very grateful for this development.

Re:Precision technology (3, Funny)

paintswithcolour (929954) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152747)

Dear sir,

We are delighted to hear of your most recent mouse developments. For too long has there been a line of segregation between those who work inside the office, and those that work outside. Before down, we only understood the concept of Internet time-wasting (an oft mentioned topic on Slashdot) in theory. Finally, we will get to surf porn at work and play flash games, with the same freedoms are everyone.

Many Thanks,

The Window Cleaners Union

Obligatory... (2, Funny)

BagOCrap (980854) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152629)

I, for one, welcome our new dark field mice overlords!

Trackball (4, Funny)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152659)

Use a trackball: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trackball [wikimedia.org]

Specifically, I use this Logitech trackball: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logitech-trackball.jpg [wikimedia.org]

After using that, using a mouse feels like my response time and accuracy is that of the old-style slow and stupid zombies.

Re:Trackball (1)

Shadyman (939863) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152715)

Trackballs are nice until you try to play an FPS with one.

Re:Trackball (1)

Megatog615 (1019306) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152769)

Really? I play better with a trackball(specifically the one pictured). My shots are far more precise with it because my thumb is far more steady than my arm.

Re:Trackball (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152913)

Ditto. When you first start playing an FPS with a trackball, it takes getting used to, but once you get the knack, speed and accuracy are great. I started with a trackball playing Unreal Tournament and use it for everything now - games, work, whatever.

Besides, for the price of an Aeron, a table, and a mouse pad, you can buy a lap rack for your notebook and a lazy boy. The Logitech Trackball mouse sits perfectly on a recliner arm. )

Re:Trackball (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152763)

i would use a track ball, too but i find it's a better work out to jerk my arm around, i can put more energy into things and therefore get more out of them in my heart

Re:Trackball (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152801)

Due to decades of spectacular alcohol consumption, my hands twitch WAY too much for a trackball.

Re:Trackball (1)

alohatiger (313873) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152883)

This is the king of pointing devices. If only they made a BlueTooth version...

Re:Trackball (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152987)

Trackballs just aren't for everybody. I tried them many times back when they were more popular (ie, about 8 years ago). I found one by Kensington that was much better than the rest I tried, but even it was only "tolerable". Nowhere near as quick or comfortable as a mouse for me. And I learned a long time ago that if I have to work at liking something, that I probably don't really like it anyways.

dammit (2, Funny)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152735)

I _knew_ I shouldn't have gotten that desk made out of 3mm glass.

The mouse and the buggy whip (2, Interesting)

jarocho (1617799) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152737)

Analysts keep suggesting that the mouse is nearing obsolescence [switched.com] , and that in less than five years, it'll look about as natural in your hand as a buggy whip. However, I remain unconvinced.

That said, if and when Toyota or anybody else figures out how to port their brain-controlled wheelchair tech [geek.com] to the PC, the mouse may indeed become one of those things your future grandkids will see in photos and ask, "Did you really ever use one of those things?! It's so weird looking!!!"

Until then, a laser mouse that can be used on transparent glass surfaces still has a certain wow factor.

Re:The mouse and the buggy whip (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153477)

For art? yes. a tablet +pen is far more useful. and touchscreen tech is still artificially high priced so that will not be common until companies pull their heads out of their arses and start putting it on all LCD's.

Outside that, mice work for what they are intended, and are dirt cheap.

cant beat dirt cheap.

For desktop use, what's the point? (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152833)

For all the things they've been able to get mice to track on, it still sucks to move a mouse on anything other than an engineered mousing surface. This new sensor may be a good feature for notebook mice that will be used on who-knows-what, but buying a premium gaming mouse for it's ability to track on crappy surfaces makes about as much sense as buying a Formula One car for its off-road handling.

And if anyone says "but it's better!": Today's well-made mice track fantastically well on a proper surface. They're already, for practical purposes, perfect. Yes, admittedly, there are people whose Logitech or Microsoft mice track poorly. But those people fall into two groups: (a) those who aren't using a pad at all, and (b) those who are using a horrible made-when-men-were-men-and-mice-had-balls pad they had lying around. Logitech and Microsoft would be better off just throwing in a proper mouse pad—and there are some excellent, relatively cheap cloth pads—than endlessly making slightly better sensors just so that people's cursors jump a bit less while they're scraping their mice back and forth on horrible surfaces.

(And if Microsoft and Logitech had half as much innovation in materials as they do in optics, their mice would move like air hockey pucks by now.)

Re:For desktop use, what's the point? (2, Insightful)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152911)

What is wrong with you people complaining about logitech improving their product? I don't get it. My logitech mouse works on most of the surfaces I've tried it on, but not everything. Would I like it to work everywhere? It would be nice. I can't imagine why anyone would be opposed to that.

Also, no I don't use a mouse pad and I don't want to need one. Talk about pointless.

Re:For desktop use, what's the point? (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153067)

His point was this mouse is aimed to gamers for uber precision. But the feature is useless to gamers buying this mouse since they already have 50$ mousepads and do not need to use it on glass... What he is missing is that it is about the technology trickling down to everyday mice which will be usefull in the future even if not for the market they are targeting atm the tech is valuable.

Re:For desktop use, what's the point? (3, Funny)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153057)

"mice would move like air hockey pucks by now"
Is that patented?..........A bit noisy but....

the real question is.. (0, Redundant)

BattleApple (956701) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152839)

how do we attach this frickin thing to a shark?

Black Helicopters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29152875)

Dark field mice are supposed to be a top secret, covert operation. How did you guys get wind of this?

Er, so are you telling me (2, Funny)

thewils (463314) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152879)

My mouse will work with Windows?

Finally!

Can anyone help me? (1)

cyberzephyr (705742) | more than 5 years ago | (#29152939)

I'm jonesing for a new overpriced mouse that works on glass instead of my perfectly good $25.00 mouse that works just fine on my wooden desk.

Very good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29153097)

...and it would be even better if they throw in a glossy red mousepad absolutely free. :)

$100 (3, Insightful)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153143)

Not surprisingly, the mouse costs a lot more than I'd be willing to pay. My 3-button, scroll-wheel USB Intellimouse Explorer 3 is close to celebrating it's 10th birthday, and is still going strong, and still feels to me like the best mouse I've ever used. Microsoft sure knew how to put their name on quality hardware back then.

Re:$100 (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153159)

Oops, forgot to mention I paid something like $7 for it, too, back when pricewatch.com was actually good.

Re:$100 (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153467)

I paid that 5 years ago for my Logitech MX laser cordless and it's the best mouse I have ever had. works great, feels better than anything else and still holds a charge for 4 days straight. I've worn finger patterns into the paint. Dont knock a high end mouse till you try one.

4mm Glass surface (2, Insightful)

Psychotic_Wrath (693928) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153281)

I would hate to be the one using a mouse on a glass surface less than 4mm thick. It would probably break very easy. Some specs are kind of useless. Like linux supporting thousands of processors hehe.

Cool and Bummer (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#29153449)

I hope it does not reduce the number of plain old LED optical mice out there because those are a GREAT source for machine vision for robotics. the basic 32X32 pixel cameras in a mouse works GREAT for a small robot for machine vision.

I even have an arduino bot using one to avoid objects.

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