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Nokia Unveils Its First Netbook

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the shouldn't-it-be-based-on-kde dept.

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andylim writes "Today Nokia unveiled its first netbook that runs Windows and packs an Intel Atom processor. The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display. Recombu.com has listed the specs, which include an SD card reader, Bluetooth, GPS, 3G, HSDPA (3.5G), Wi-Fi, an HDMI port for HD video out and a front-facing camera for video calling. According to Nokia, the Booklet will provide 12 hours of battery life."

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Price? (2, Insightful)

forand (530402) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173011)

I haven't seen any price estimates. Anyone know what it might go for? Looks great though.

Re:Price? (2, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173211)

No mention of memory size, disk size or type, or any other useful specs. Kick the marketing droids in gonads.

Re:Price? (4, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173345)

Actually the original announcement was much worse...

Nokia unveils its largest phone ever !

Are you afraid your friends will fail to spot your measly iPhone(1) ?

With the Nokia Meg-A-Phone, everybody will see you using the worlds largest and most connected cyber-e-web-chat-wifiphone(2) !

The Meg-A-Phone also doubles as an emergency shelter, a radiation shield, a flotation device(3) and a room heater(4).

(1) i and possibly other vowels are a trademark of the fruit company
(2) in select locations, may be subject to restrictions depending on phases of the moon
(3) not to be used outside of parental supervision
(4) this function not to be used in aircrafts or within sight of law enforcement

Re:Price? (1)

stevey (64018) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173987)

With a bit of luck we could be back in the days of sidetalkin! [sidetalkin.com]

Re:Price? (2, Informative)

ebuck (585470) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173917)

It is an Atom, and it runs Windows; so, you can pretty much bet that the memory size is 1GB shipped.

Re:Price? (5, Informative)

Jazzbunny (1251002) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173943)

At all about symbian website they have some specs listed:

Key hardware information
    * Intel Atom Chipset (Z530 running at 1.6 Ghz). No fan, which means near silent running.
    * 120 GB hard disk
    * 3G / HSDPA and WiFi connectivity, plus integrated Bluetooth for local wireless communication
    * 12 hour battery life
    * 19.9 mm thick x 264 mm width x 185 mm depth
    * 10.1 inch glass HD ready display
    * Front facing video camera mounted, on top of the screen, for video calling
    * 1 x HDMI port (for HD video out), 1 x integarted SD card reader, 3 x USB ports, 1 x audio port
    * Integrated A-GPS
    * Stereo speakers mounted on the front right and left corners

Re:Price? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29174111)

Dude, stop using a typewriter to post on Slashdot.

Signed, everyone.

Re:Price? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173967)

According to my sources (sorry, can't name names) "if you need to ask, it's too expensive for you". Apparently they can only compete with Sony Vaio P pricewise.

Re:Price? (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174273)

I haven't seen any price estimates. Anyone know what it might go for? Looks great though.

From the article:
"Further information, including detailed specs, availability and pricing, will be announced at Nokia World on the 2nd of September, which we'll be attending, so we can tell you more then."

Re:Price? (2, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174313)

>"Nokia adds that the Booklet will be able to access services such as the Nokia Music Store, "

ie. It comes preloaded with an avalanche of crapware.

iPhone Killer (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173051)

It's the kikePhone.

Uh... Windows? (5, Insightful)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173073)

How disappointing, I thought they were working on Maemo and other cool Linux stuff? Are those only considered fit for PDAs and (eventually) phones? Of course Nokia can try to become another Dell if they want to, but why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

Necroloth (1512791) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173157)

one of the comments on the article is asking why it wasn't running Maemo but he researched his own question and found that it wasn't written for Intel hardware.

Re:Uh... Windows? (5, Interesting)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173243)

I don't know what is meant by saying Maemo wasn't written for Intel hardware. It's just standard Linux stuff, largely based on Debian. Of course you can build and run it on Intel CPUs. It's true it does have some proprietary bits which Nokia builds and distributes for ARM only, but since it's their own code, I assume they could port it pretty easily if they wanted. If they think a Windows laptop will sell better, that's their judgement, but I think they missed a trick by not offering a Linux version.

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173343)

It's had an x86 build target on scratchbox since at least 2006, maybe even day one.

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174191)

I was on the pre-release developers' program for the 770 and the development environment ran on Debian x86. Unfortunately, making it run on any other x86 platform than Debian (possibly other than the guy who wrote it's Debian box) was a world of pain, and I got bored trying before I managed to get any code building for it. I wish, for devices like this, people would ship a customised QEMU ARM image containing a native compiler, rather than some hacky Linux tree of fragile shell scripts.

Re:Uh... Windows? (5, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173195)

...why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?

Probably because it is a large company moving into the market from the low end and bringing expertise for inexpensive mobile devices into said market. I find it interesting, even if I'm not thrilled with all of their choices. The GPS and cell receiver/transmitter are interesting choices for a low end device, for example, which reflect their expertise in cell phones.

Maybe this won't spur Linux adoption or undermine MS, but that doesn't mean it won't drive changes in the industry or spur adoption of other technologies.

SUCK MY COCK!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173443)

bitch!

Way More Windows Users Here Than You Think (4, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173571)

why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?

My guess is that the majority of slashdot readers use Windows. Many of them won't admit it (here), much in the same way a fan of pop music will keep mum when he sits down at a cafeteria table he suspects is populated exclusively with sniffy jazz enthusiasts, but that only makes them a Silent Majority.

Slashdot has grown way, way, beyond it's Linux / Buffy / Anime roots, as has "geekdom" itself. It would be foolish for the editors not to acknowledge this by not running stories of interest to "mainstream tech enthusiasts," who I suspect are the majority of its readers.

FWIW, I've been using Linux since 1994, but still have a Windows box because I need to run some client's apps that are Windows-only. Both OS's have their failings, both have their charms.

Re:Way More Windows Users Here Than You Think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29174089)

still have a Windows box

Why not run XP in a virtual machine? Then you can have your cake and eat it too. No need to keep a dedicated windows box around in 2009.

Re:Way More Windows Users Here Than You Think (4, Informative)

mounthood (993037) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174395)

From the FAQ [slashdot.org] :

I thought everyone on Slashdot hated the RIAA, the MPAA, and Microsoft. Why do you keep hyping CDs, movies, and Windows games?

Big corporations are what they are. They sell us cool stuff with one hand and tighten the screws on our freedoms with the other. We hate them every morning and love them every afternoon, and vice versa. This is part of living in the modern world: you take your yin with your yang and try to figure out how to do what's right the best you can. If you think it has to be all one way or the other, that's cool, share your opinions, but don't expect everyone else to think the same.

Re:Uh... Windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173701)

Would you really have wanted Yet Another Desktop Linux Distro? Every Netbook maker does seem to have their own distro (to some extent), but who wants to use them?

The Xandros shipped with EEE and the Linpus shipped with Aspire One in my family got replaced with Kubuntu pretty fast.

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174105)

If is somewhat standard netbook hardware you can install linux on it, but some hardware components will make it tricky (not sure how well supported is the gps and 3g that they will include, time will tell when more complete specs) and some software components that they want to push too (music? will be DRMd? And i suppose that the OVI store dont have a lot of linux programs for selling),

Anyway, would be interesting to see that it runs linux with all the hardware supported. And that have a price similar to the average of other netbooks. Pushing up netbook standards (i.e. that long battery, gps, 3g) at that price and make the rest of vendors follow the trend could be a good thing.

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174123)

...why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?

More than 50% of the MS haters here still use Windows, after some kind of epic fail when installing ubuntu!

The rest of us linux guys? We don't give a s**t about what OS cool gadgets run, as long as we can install linux on it after it's been bought. I want one of those myself, and the first thing I'll do when I get one is install slackware 13!

Re:Uh... Windows? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174149)

You're thinking of their MID: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/19/nokias-maemo-5-rx-51-n900-tablet-gets-exhaustively-previewed/ [engadget.com]

I'm eagerly awaiting for this unit to come out, since it looks like the only thing worth upgrading to from my elderly Palm TX.

Haven't been impressed much by any of the iPhones, Android, the Pre, and especially not any of the Blackberries I've been issued through work. I would have bought an N810 some time ago if it didn't look like the N900 was close on the horizon.

Is is a phone? (1)

chetbox (1335617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173079)

But can I use it as a 10-inch phone?

Re:Is is a phone? (1)

Fizzl (209397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173177)

Well, it has HDSPA modem, so technically, yes.
If the drivers support a full AT command set, it should be possible to code an app to use the modem as a phone.

Re:Is is a phone? (1)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173209)

"...code an app to use the modem as a phone..."

Like, a VOIP client, perhaps? I wonder whether anybody's ever bothered trying to write such an app...

Re:Is is a phone? (2, Informative)

Fizzl (209397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173295)

No. Like an application using the modem as a phone, as in the dialer in any phone using the GSM/CDMA/HDSPA/etc.. modem as a phone.

Re:Is is a phone? (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173285)

I'm pretty sure that's what the 3G in the summary refers to.

Re:Is is a phone? (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174217)

Not necessarily. It may only be for data. You may be able to use VoIP via the HSPA network, but a lot of carriers don't permit this unless you pay for a more expensive business tariff.

Apologies to Aerosmith (0, Offtopic)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173431)

Got me the strangest woman
Believe me this trick's no cinch
But I really get her going
When I whip out my big 10 inch

Netbook of a band that plays the web
Well a band that plays its web
She just love my big 10 inch
Netbook of her favorite sites

Last night I tried to tease her
I gave my love a little pinch
She said now stop that jivin'
Now whip out your big 10 inch

Netbook of a band that plays the web
Well a band that plays its web
She just love my big 10 inch
Netbook of her favorite sites

I, I, I cover her with kisses
And when we're in a lover's clinch
She gets all excited
When she begs for my big 10 inch

Netbook of a band that plays the web
Well a band that plays its web
She just love my big 10 inch
Netbook of her favorite sites

My girl don't go for smokin'
And liquor just make her flinch
Seems she don't go for nothin'
'Cept for my big 10 inch

Netbook of a band that plays the web
Well a band that plays its web
She just love my big 10 inch
Netbook of her favorite sites

Re:Is is a phone? (1)

dbet (1607261) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173499)

I'd be more interested in whether or not you can use it to connect to your cell provider's data plan without any additional hardware.

Hmm.. (1, Insightful)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173103)

I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?

Re:Hmm.. (2, Insightful)

kinnell (607819) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173187)

I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?

Because it's the only reasonable choice of connector if you want to interface your laptop to a modern TV.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

Compholio (770966) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173263)

I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?

Because it's the only reasonable choice of connector if you want to interface your laptop to a modern TV.

Buy a TV with a DVI input, they do exit.

Re:Hmm.. (3, Insightful)

TheDarAve (513675) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173307)

Make a netbook with an HDMI connector on it so it uses 1/3rd the size of a DVI connector and get a HDMI to DVI cable.

Re:Hmm.. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173327)

There's also the fact that HDMI ports are smaller than DVI ports, which is handy on a device of this size, and can be connected to DVI monitors/TVs with a simple passive adapter cable, if desired.

HDMI without VGA? (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173351)

[HDMI is] the only reasonable choice of connector if you want to interface your laptop to a modern TV.

Every HDTV or monitor I've seen with HDMI or DVI in also has VGA in. In addition, VGA has the advantage that adapters to use a PC with a non-modern TV or a DVD recorder [sewelldirect.com] support it.

Re:HDMI without VGA? (4, Insightful)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173391)

In my experience, it's a real nightmare finding a VGA mode that the TV likes. Possibly, HDMI fixes that.

Re:HDMI without VGA? (1)

117 (1013655) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173507)

I've had no problems using VGA on several different HD TVs - you just need to set the resolution to the native resolution of the screen.

Re:HDMI without VGA? (2, Insightful)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174027)

I've had no problems using VGA on several different HD TVs - you just need to set the resolution to the native resolution of the screen.

And what if such a resolution doesn't show up in your display settings dialog?

I've had no problems getting a picture. But a filling the widescreen display, at full resolution, with no borders, overscan or loss of aspect ratio - I haven't got my Toshiba TV and my Dell laptop to do that.

Re:HDMI without VGA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29174059)

in my experience, HDTVs all allow 1024x768. i have an mplayer command to adjust the aspect ratio for me. i dont need the tv to support higher resolutions than that because my acer aspire one cant play HD video content anyway. since i presume this nokia thing will, hdmi is a welcome addition

Re:HDMI without VGA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173939)

My HDTV has DVI but no VGA input. It's a Sony plasma. I have no idea what model it is, but it's about 4 years old.

Re:Hmm.. (2, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173359)

I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?

For the people who buy based on feature lists alone. Although, HDMI is a great way to connect A/V devices. Even without HD video.... no mucking with display modes and the like. Also nicely carries sound in one cable. Which is why Apple's mini DVI port on the notebooks are disappointing.

I wonder how ARM will perform on netbooks compared to HD video. Always Innovating has released a netbook built around a beagle-board, but I'm awaiting the multi-core chips (later this year?) I keep hearing how intel has problems packing real power into the atoms (scaling down) while ARM is scaling up nicely.

No ARM (5, Insightful)

voislav98 (1004117) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173137)

I would love to see an ARM netbook from Nokia, none of this Atom crap

Re:No ARM (4, Informative)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173481)

Find one of the 770s, 800s, or 810s... while very old, my 770 is still very useful and functional. And still lasts a long time on a battery charge.

Re:No ARM (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174245)

I have a 770 and it's a great portable Vim machine (I've used it to write articles with a folding bluetooth keyboard on several occasions), but the OMAP2 is getting really old. The OMAP3 is a very nice chip and the OMAP4 is (apparently) out now, although I've not seen any devices based on it.

Re:No ARM (2, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173793)


I would love to see an ARM netbook from Nokia, none of this Atom crap

So would I, but there are certain realities to take into consideration:
  - most users still want to run MS-Windows
  - MS-Windows is not ARM ready
  - There are hardly any mainstream Linux distributions that are ARM ready.

12 hours of battery life ? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173171)

Intel Atom processor, only 1.25 kilograms, and still 12 hours of battery life ? How do they accomplish such a miracle ?

Re:12 hours of battery life ? (2, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174017)

It means they are finally starting to figure out the technology in the Roswell saucer.

Withing a couple of years we'll having flying cars, interstellar spaceships, rayguns and a robot uprising. After that the aliens will come back and wipe us out for being a bunch of irresponsible, upstart monkeys.

Still it'll be quite a ride.

Re:12 hours of battery life ? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174157)

Happy thoughts?

Re:12 hours of battery life ? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174213)

Asus 1101 HA [asus.com] gets 11+ hours, but the Atom processor included is one of the Z series (that can be overclocked to get an N series speed, but reducing battery life). Playing creatively with conditions on which you get that runtime you could get up to 12hs, i suppose.

Another Wintel Failure. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173175)

With the profit margins, it is unlikely any of these will succeed. As prices approach zero, the M$ tax goes to infinity.

first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad? (5, Informative)

sixtuslab (1130675) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173239)

"The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display"

nope. [old-computers.com]

Re:first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keyp (1)

andylim (1618383) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173453)

I did say, "full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display." Does the MikroMikko1 have a 10-inch display?

Re:first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keyp (1)

Stupendoussteve (891822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173495)

That device has a full sized keyboard.

Obviously Nokia knows the future of computing input is a large 12 button keypad. I expect the texting speeds will be quite high.

(Funnily enough, the photo in the article seems to show the netbook as completely lacking a keypad.)

Re:first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keyp (1)

andylim (1618383) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173603)

I was not referring to a numeric keypad obviously but I can understand how that could be taken to mean one.

Re:first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keyp (1)

toopok4k3 (809683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173561)

Yeah that's bollocks. I happen to have an old keyboard made by Nokia right next to me. Currently attached to my FreeBSD box. I think it came from one of the last MikroMikko models. It's old enough not to have any windows keys in it. And I do recall using the MikroMikko as a youngster when it was all DOS. So yeah, nokia used to make PC's back in the days before they started doing only mobile telephone tech.

KDE (1, Funny)

hey (83763) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173241)

Weird that is uses Windows since they bought KDE.

Re:KDE (4, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173339)

They bought Trolltech, who are behind QT, which KDE uses. KDE is an independent project.

Re:KDE (1)

Thagg (9904) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173397)

I know they bought TrollTech, but Qt != KDE

Re:KDE (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173401)

You don't think they got an exceptionally nice deal with Microsoft thanks to that?!

I am sure they did. Talk about leverage.

Re:KDE (3, Interesting)

Amouth (879122) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173589)

on top of that if you look at the promo video its Windows 7 NOT windows XP like all of the other "net books"

to me that is a selling point for MS.. it Nokia can put out a net book with all this wonderful connectivity + 12 hours usable run time + having windows 7 vs XP then MS will have a strong selling point (much better IMO than the moheav crap)

my hopes is that this (because of the HD offering) actualy has it.. that size + a HD+ quality screen (1280x800 would be wonderful for 10in) and the nVidia GPU dual core Atom refrence board we saw a few months ago to power it.

I like the idea of the netbooks and the Atom. and having HT on the atom is nice.. but dual core Atoms are by far what i would want. but no one releases them saddly.

Re:KDE (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173999)

I doubt you could get 12 hours runtime, especially if you have an nvidia gpu that's capable of decoding hd video.. Not without a stupidly large battery anyway.

You could probably manage that with an ARM based laptop and a hardware video decoder, but it's not really worth putting such specialized hardware into a laptop like that.

Wrong Re:KDE (1)

fuzzylollipop (851039) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173407)

they bought Trolltech which develops the QT library.

Re:Wrong Re:KDE (2, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174051)

Trolltech was a trojan horse though. Once they bought the company and hauled it back to Finland a load of Microsoft soldiers poured out and took over the company.

12 hours of battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173265)

Intel Atom processor, only 1.25 kilograms, and still 12 hours of battery life? How do they accomplish this miracle ?

Re:12 hours of battery life? (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173301)

Using the power of marketing.

Re:12 hours of battery life? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173547)

The battery lasts 12 hours while in hibernate mode.

test (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173267)

testing

No touchscreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173305)

Why the lack of multitouch? Too expensive?

Re:No touchscreen? (1)

TheDarAve (513675) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173337)

Got to have something for the 2010 netbook line up.

Netbooks are.. (1)

InterBigs (780612) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173371)

..boring. Yawn! Or is it just me? Sure it looks a little slicker than some of the others, but it's still unimpressive. HD video out? Nice. Now only if it had enough CPU power to play HD video.

Re:Netbooks are.. (1)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173505)

Netbooks aren't made for HD video. They're made for internet use and word processing. Portability, not power. I'd like to be able to use mine for 720p video, but on a 10" screen that can't do 1280x720 anyways what's the point?

Re:Netbooks are.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29174249)

My Akihabara purchased NEC VersaPro UltraLite Type VS has an Atom 1.86 GHz CPU, 10.6 inch 1280 by 768 display (more than enough for 720p) and it can do 720p h.264 decodes in software while with better Intel drivers and PowerDVD 8 h264 decoder, its GMA 500 chipset can handle 1080p h.264 video in hardware. While you may not see the benefit of 1080p playback on such a small 720p screen, the benefit lies in that you can hook up the machine to a bigger display or failing that you can still enjoy your full HD movie at 720p without having to transcode it to SD.

What else is cool is the 725g light, it can withstand a drop of 78cm and can tolerate 150kg of weight - so it can survive that busy rush hour Tokyo subway commute. It also comes with a 64GB Toshiba SSD as standard. Windows XP or Vista.

Product page:
http://club.express.nec.co.jp/store/ntpc/vs.html

12 hours huh? (4, Insightful)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173465)

Doing what? Being in standby mode? Or actually using anything? Even my EEEPC 1000 says 7-8 hours of battery life and I get 4-4.5 using wifi/internet or watching video. So I'm guessing this will have 5-6 hours of actual use battery life.

Re:12 hours huh? (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173719)

That's 12 hours while running notepad with the CPU clocked to 4MHz, with the backlight on minimum (you will need to cover yourself and your netbook with a blanket and wait for your night vision to adjust), and no network connection, and with your hard drive powered down. If you save your text file to disk, or if you hold down your shift key for longer than is necessary, you will not be guaranteed the 12 hours of battery life.

That's a circle no manufacturer can break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173953)

The problem is that every manufacturer estimates the durations too high. If one wanted to give a realistic estimate people would just look "Oh, that estimate is only 6 hours. The other netbooks promise 8 hours!". Only real solution to this would be well regulated standards about battery capacity claims but that would need to be done by an international body... I doubt we'll see that happening.

That all said, the estimates aren't that far off. Yeah, you get less hours when using wifi or watching video but those are usually occasions (at school, LAN parties, library, work, etc.) on which you can plug the machine to an outlet. What I care about is long durations when you can't do that, like long train trips, time spent in airplanes, bars... Wait, you can usually find an outlet in any of those places. Honestly, I find that the battery duration doesn't really matter to me that much. It has to be more than three hours or so but any duration longer than that I am likely to spend near an electricity outlet. If that wasn't the case, I could buy a backup battery (actually, I have one but never had to use it).

It's great that you can use a netbook to check your email when you are in a bus or make a quick wikipedia search at any time to resolve some argument but most of the time most of us just don't actually need 8 hours or more of battery duration. I'm not saying I couldn't imagine used for that, just that I don't really need it that much and I assume the same is true for most of us.

Re:12 hours huh? (1)

koiransuklaa (1502579) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174115)

Possible, but according to rumours you will be able to get several EeePCs for the price of one Nokia netbook, so it may have some fairly advanced battery tech in it -- after all, batteries are pretty 'core competence' for Nokia.

Can it run Linux? (3, Interesting)

bobv-pillars-net (97943) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173545)

If I put Ubuntu on it, can I still make phone calls with the built-in GSM/HSDPA?

Waiting for detailed specs. If the hardware is supported under Linux, I don't mind blowing away the pre-installed Windows. It's not like they put the O/S in ROM.

Re:Can it run Linux? (2, Interesting)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174031)

If the modem presents itself to the system in a standard way then sure, you could probably even install android on it and use it like a (very large) phone.

Re:Can it run Linux? (1)

bobv-pillars-net (97943) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174179)

For instance, I could install Linux on my Treo 700p, but I wouldn't be able to make phone calls with it.

Re:Can it run Linux? (3, Interesting)

operator_error (1363139) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174353)

I don't see why not. I purchased a 3g contract that included a USB dongle that accepted a SIM card. I swear upon simply plugging it into a live Ubuntu 8.10 machine, that thing had a connection in less than 5 seconds, no password needed, (the SIM *is* the 'password' and key to the account. 1 SIM per account, period.)

FWIW, I chose to take the SIM out of the dongle, and it lives in my Nokia N95. This way I have 3g internet (and SIP calls) for the N95 as well as any wifi device nearby, using Joikuspot and hot-swappable AA rechargeable batteries, when needed. Nokia and 3rd parties sell little plastic AA battery holders; joikuspot needs it) If power is available, the N95 functioning as 3g router can draw power from USB via a retractable cable a buddy told me to buy off eBay for a single pound sterling, via Hong Kong. It actually cost me 2.30 euro, but still, what a unit!

Going the other way around (1)

Dr.Potato (247646) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173729)

I wonder when netbook makers will incorporate 3G in their products. Seeing the specs of some smartphones I found myself wondering where the line between them and netbooks should be drawn. Apart from screen size, the difference is small. So, if Asus, Acer and othernetbook makers start to include a slot for a SIM card, the difference will definitively only be in size.

Re:Going the other way around (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173991)

Dell and HP both offer products with built in 3g.

Can I drop it? (1)

old dr omr (1289450) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173825)

Can I drop it onto concrete from ear height, Snap the cover back on, replace the battery and find it continues to work like nothing happend? It's always been a feature of Nokia phones that I've loved.

Re:Can I drop it? (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174101)

TriggerHappy TV re-enactments aside, I'm not sure you're going to want to hold this to your ear.

Re:Can I drop it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29174413)

Rubbish!

So we should assume.... (1)

sarkeizen (106737) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173879)

...the usual scaling for actual battery life? 0.5 * (Figure provided by vendor) = (hours of useful work)?

nokia e63 (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173909)

after buying an e63 and feeling like i've paid for buying battery powered feces i wouldn't trust nokia to design or engineer a matchstick

the manufacturing is shoddy at best, the software is flaky and the support is laughable (two firmware updates later and the only difference i can see is that the equalizer doesn't work when you've got the headphones plugged in)

if you want i can give examples and photos.

Re:nokia e63 (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174377)

after buying an e63 and feeling like i've paid for buying battery powered feces i wouldn't trust nokia to design or engineer a matchstick

the manufacturing is shoddy at best, the software is flaky and the support is laughable (two firmware updates later and the only difference i can see is that the equalizer doesn't work when you've got the headphones plugged in)

Sounds like you should have done some research. There are two different versions of some Nokia phones, made in two different countries. One country's manufacturing of those phones is well known to be vastly superior to the other's. Guess which one you got?

Call me when it has ION (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173921)

Unless they're giving it away for free, I'm not interested in Yet Another Netbook until they can make it do something other than webmail. My baseline is Hulu HD. Anything less is a PDA.

I like it. (5, Funny)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 4 years ago | (#29173963)

I see a lot of posts so far...blah blah no linux blah blah disappointing, no linux blah blah blah.
People need to get real! If Nokia had entered what is gearing up to be a very aggressive market with a linux based netbook, I would have expect the BOD to fire the CEO right away!

Asus tried it already and it failed. People who buy a netbook want it to work just like their laptop. They want to share the same documents and have the same user interface.

The fact is, this Nokia netbook looks great. It's got loads of stuff on it and is slick as snot. If it's not too expensive, I will be buying one myself and no..I wont be installing Linux.

Re:I like it. (1)

zero0ne (1309517) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174221)

If it can pump out 720P without stuttering (or Hulu HD as mentioned above) I will be sold.

The HDMI cable is just icing on the cake, and will allow me to easily show family, friends, etc anything I have on the laptop on their TV.

I would imagine with the 3G stuff you could get your Bluetooth headset to work with the laptop and thus use it with some VOIP app. No need for a phone anymore if all your contacts are on the machine.

Re:I like it. (4, Informative)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174425)

Asus tried it already and it failed.

Failed?
They sold a shitload of them.

Pre-installed with virus OS but no Linux yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29173971)

It's a shame that a manufacturer like NOKIA is not offering this device with Linux yet or at least without any OS but only pre-installed with the virus and spyware prone Microsoft Windows operating system and tries forcing us to pay for this unwanted crap. Shame on you, NOKIA. Once they offer a Linux version I may actually buy it.

First ever (1)

TheDarkNose (1613701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174067)

"Its first netbook that runs Windows"
What was did its first netbook ever run? This article doesn't say

Intel Atom (2, Interesting)

slummy (887268) | more than 4 years ago | (#29174389)

Intel Atom by itself is garbage.

On the other hand, an Intel Atom with an NVIDIA GPU [nvidia.com] is called ION.

I'd buy it if it had an ION, I do like the durability of NOKIA hardware.
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