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Avatar, Has Sci-fi Found Its Heaven's Gate?

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the wilburies-playing-end-of-the-line dept.

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brumgrunt writes "Den Of Geek wonders if James Cameron's Avatar is heading for a fall, and if it will even be a science fiction film, off the back of the previews shown last week. It writes: 'It seems in Avatar that all this gee-whiz science is merely there to draw the "old crowd" in and provide some kind of rationale for a brightly-coloured fantasy-world which reflects the most emetic of the artwork plastered over teenage girls' MySpace pages.'"

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Avatar first-impression: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173635)

The first minute or two of the trailer looked sci-fi and interesting, but after that it quickly devolved into some

third-rate fantasy masturbatory session for furries and other WoW-playing losers.

You'll love Avatar...if you loved Episode I!

Re:Avatar first-impression: (4, Funny)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173777)

>third-rate fantasy masturbatory session for furries and other WoW-playing losers.

Err, you do know youre posting on slashdot, right?

Re:Avatar first-impression: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173789)

>third-rate fantasy masturbatory session for furries and other WoW-playing losers.

Err, you do know youre posting on slashdot, right?

That's why he posted AC.

Re:Avatar first-impression: (4, Insightful)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173807)

Avatar: FernGully with Mechs.

Re:Avatar first-impression: (1)

Bakkster (1529253) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173919)

That was my first impression as well. It doesn't do much to convince me that the movie will be legitimate science-fiction, rather than fluffy science-fantasy, when the aliens are bright anime-blue with giant cartoon doe-eyes.

That said, it will probably sell like gangbusters for this very reason. However, it's absolutely not going to kill the science-fiction film genre. For proof, check District 9. One guy marketing something as sci-fi doesn't kill the legitimate movies for those who know what they're looking for. Even if that person is James Cameron.

Re:Avatar first-impression: (1)

solkimera (1319365) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174021)

Didn't ferngully have some sort of treecutting mech?

Re:Avatar first-impression: (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174151)

Yes. So really it should be Ferngully: Now With Big Blue Fairies! Now the fairy dancing music scene with the cassette player will be with an iPod-Touch playing Lady Gaga.

Re:Avatar first-impression: (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174153)

So you're suggesting the major antagonist of Avatar will be some sort of mechcutting tree?

Re:Avatar first-impression: (1)

fooslacker (961470) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173995)

Oddly similar to my first impressions. I was very excited by the first few moments then all of the sudden it devolved into something I'll probably not even see on video.

Story? (4, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173645)

Wait, what is this story? Looks like some editorial about how Avatar won't be good.

Re:Story? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173769)

"I complain on forums about video games that I haven't even played!"

In other news, the internet, James Cameron, and the world at large carries on despite the ramblings of some poor little guy who got beaten in middle school by a crowd of little girls wielding Lisa Frank binders.

Re:Story? (4, Funny)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174001)

Yeah, I don't understand the Heaven's Gate reference. Are the developers going to commit mass suicide?

Re:Story? (5, Informative)

BillCable (1464383) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174071)

Heaven's Gate the 1980 box office bomb, not the religious cult.

Heaven's Gate? (3, Funny)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173671)

Uhhh...the movie is supposed to convince people to dress in identical black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike Windrunner athletic shoes, and armband patches reading "Avatar Away Team" before committing suicide by mixing barbituates with vodka and plastic bags?

If Rocky Horror Picture Show didn't induce that type of cult-like following -- though it was damn close -- I have a hard time imagining Avatar will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) [wikipedia.org]

Re:Heaven's Gate? (3, Informative)

jguevin (453329) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173827)

No, it's about the disastrously overproduced movie of the same name.

Re:Heaven's Gate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173915)

Whoosh!

Re:Heaven's Gate? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174057)

For the love of fucking god there are a hundred other overproduced pieces of crap in the movie world to compare it to, why use the one that has a horrific double meaning?

Re:Heaven's Gate? (0)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174251)

Wouldn't Avatar/Ishtar [wikipedia.org] be the obvious comparison?

Re:Heaven's Gate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173835)

Uhhh...the movie is supposed to convince people to dress in identical black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike Windrunner athletic shoes, and armband patches reading "Avatar Away Team" before committing suicide by mixing barbituates with vodka and plastic bags?

If Rocky Horror Picture Show didn't induce that type of cult-like following -- though it was damn close -- I have a hard time imagining Avatar will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) [wikipedia.org]

I work in marketing. I read your post. I no longer work in marketing.

There is a guru inside you.

Re:Heaven's Gate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174087)

I'll drink to that!

Re:Heaven's Gate? (1)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173837)

Apparently he googled "biggest box office bomb" clicked the article [wikipedia.org] and found the first reference of a movie driving a studio into financial ruin. Bingo! That lead him to Heaven's Gate! [wikipedia.org]

And he felt proud of himself for making a reference that nobody would get.

The End.

Re:Heaven's Gate? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174289)

wikipedia says:
The film's production was plagued by cost and time overruns, negative press, and rumors about the director's allegedly overbearing directorial style.

Interesting. That's what they said about Titanic. I always prefer to take a wait-and-see attitude towards these things, because often the initial rumors are wrong.

Aside-

Science stories without science are just Futuristic fantasy (like Star Wars). Which is fine if you like fantasy, but I do think they should advertise these things more accurately. Don't label a Fantasy story with the word science if there's no science in it. That's a bit like advertising "orange juice" but forgetting to include the oranges when making it. (A couple times I've order orange juice at McDonalds and got orange-flavored sugar water instead. Yes I'm bitter. ;-) )

OR... (4, Insightful)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173677)

Or, Avatar will completely whip ass and this and all other negative critiques will be laughed at and/or forgotten.

Re:OR... (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173851)

Or, more likely, some people will rave about it, some people will rant about it, and the vast majority will just get some entertainment from it and never think twice. I don't really get why this film is being championed on Slashdot - its a film, nothing more. Just because it has a scifi orientated plot doesn't make it something to hold up and worship, there are plenty of decent scifi films out there.

Re:OR... (1)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174145)

I think all of the championing is more about the CGI and 3D filming, rather than the story. It is amazing how great the movie looks, even if the story is most likely going to be underwhelming. The fact that many studios are already talking about scrapping making 2d movies and instead want to gear towards 3D shows that it is already having an impact in the film industry even before it has hit theaters.

Re:OR... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173869)

Yep, people said the new star wars movies were going to suck too, and history sure proved them.

Jews (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173681)

Looks like another Jewish plot to me.

Only On Slashdot (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173685)

Where District 9 is already as great as Star Wars and a movie that's not even out sucks.

Re:Only On Slashdot (3, Insightful)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173751)

Where District 9 is already as great as Star Wars and a movie that's not even out sucks.

And Joss is actually thought of as a creative genius.

Re:Only On Slashdot (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173887)

Joss Whedon is a derivative hack who can't help be defile every thing he touches with some sort of adolescent fantasy involving shitty, super-powered, little girls. Then his shows get canceled and the fucker throws a tantrum a 7 year old would envy, killing off all the likable characters and pile driving what little story there was face first into the fucking ground.

Re:Only On Slashdot (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174041)

I honestly don't know why this is flamebait. :) It's the most insightful comment I've read all morning... (Admittedly it's still early.) But there are far too many Whedonites on Slashdot than there should be. (given their percentage of the general population.)

I'd rather have my butt hair plucked out than watch Joss Whedon's work. The man can throw elephant dung at a screen and his fans will marvel at how original it was he used elephant dung... as opposed to horse dung like all the other "wannabes". Yeesh.

Re:Only On Slashdot (3, Funny)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174125)

The man can throw elephant dung at a screen and his fans will marvel at how original it was he used elephant dung...

If you've ever seen the size of a pile of elephant dung, you'd understand why people marvel that he used elephant dung.

I mean, just look at the size [team-bhp.com] of the toilet that is needed!

My nominee for (2, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173713)

"Most Snarky Use of the Word 'Emetic [medterms.com] '"

And, may I add, perfectly appropriate and accurate, when used in reference to a huge proportion of the great wasteland that is MySpace.

Re:My nominee for (3, Funny)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173767)

And, may I add, perfectly...

The word you're looking for here is "Cromulent" [reference.com]

All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (5, Informative)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173749)

So are we now judging a book by its cover? Thanks but no thanks, I'll wait until I see all the reviews on rottentomatoes before making judgement. Something tells me critics who have actually seen the movie and know how to write and think about film might be a better barometer than random nerd on the internet.

Funny how the synopsis mocks teenage girls, but we dont mock teenage fanboys who loudly declare "FAIL" after just seeing a teaser trailer. Seems thats the more odious habit.

Ironically, the teaser trailer has done its job: its got everyone talking. So little an investment for so much publicity.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173779)

This comment sums this whole story/thread more than succinctly. Well played Sir.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173883)

Mod parent +5 Spot On

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (2, Interesting)

Halo1 (136547) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173895)

I saw the trailer (not the full preview, just the trailer), and I was not impressed by the animation. The way the lion-like thing moves is completely unnatural and it looks like it's made from plastic. The movements of the blue people was also off at various points. At several points I guess they got stuck in the uncanny valley.

If it were a game, I'd say it had great graphics. But as a film it was just not convincing to me.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173913)

Ironically, the teaser trailer has done its job: its got everyone talking. So little an investment for so much publicity.

Irony doesn't work that way!

And you know, everyone was talking about how awful Pluto Nash was going to be, too.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (2, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173965)

Yes. We judge movies by their trailers. Directors and producers want us to. It's the trailer that gets people to buy the ticket.
When was the last time a theater gave you a refund because a movie was shitty?

It's not the fanboys who are declaring fail.
It's the people who actually like science fiction, and were fucking sick of hearing about AVATAR. Now we see that it's really a piece of shit. We have the fucking right to mock and taunt, because we've put up with shitty hype for ages.

The trailer got people talking.
But there is such a thing as bad publicity - people are talking about furries.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174117)

We put up with the hype for ages? I like science fiction films - I own a large collection of them on DVD - and this /. article is the first I've heard of Avatar. Methinks they might need a new hype machine.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (0, Troll)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174279)

Methinks you might need to some out from under your rock more often.

Or don't. Stay there.

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (1)

WillDraven (760005) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174303)

Yeah, this is only the second time I've heard anything about it, the previous one being a slashdot article saying essentially "this might be really cool."

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174065)

I love it how you'll dismiss a bunch of nerd critics on the Internet and then praise Rotten Tomatoes as the best source of information...guess where a lot of their ratings come from? You guessed it, nerd critics on the Internet.

How about actually thinking for yourself for a change? Or is mom still buying your clothes for you too?

Re:All the whiners have is a teaser trailer (1)

rho (6063) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174167)

Funny how the synopsis mocks teenage girls, but we dont mock teenage fanboys who loudly declare "FAIL" after just seeing a teaser trailer. Seems thats the more odious habit.

"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."

Let me get this straight ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173757)

You're basing all of this on a *TEASER TRAILER*?

Yes, it looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173761)

Who wants to go out and pay $10 to watch a Halo vs. World of Warcraft movie when you can play either in the comfort of your own home? They don't mix together. No one wants to see tall blue Elvish Ewoks. At least no one with a brain...

Re:Yes, it looks like crap (5, Funny)

Hanners1979 (959741) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173877)

"No one wants to see tall blue Elvish Ewoks."

For a moment there I read this comment as "No one wants to see tall blue Elvis Ewoks", and I was about to argue most vehemently that that's exactly what I do want to see in a movie.

Re:Yes, it looks like crap (4, Funny)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174169)

"No one wants to see tall blue Elvish Ewoks."

For a moment there I read this comment as "No one wants to see tall blue Elvis Ewoks", and I was about to argue most vehemently that that's exactly what I do want to see in a movie.

Naked tall blue Elvis Ewoks.
Oh, God, I just wrote "Watchmen II"

The cult? (0, Troll)

davidwr (791652) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173763)

Raise your hand if the first thing you thought of was the suicide cult [wikipedia.org] ?

Puhlease! (4, Insightful)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173787)

In Avatar, mankind has the ability to cross the voids of space in an effort to mine a mineral rich alien world. Bring these minerals back for refinemant and use. We have the ability to implant a human mind into an alien avatar body that we have ourselves created and control that persons new avatar body. And yet we can't repair a paralyzed human body? Fail.

Re:Puhlease! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173845)

It is a little strange that they can grow entire avatar bodies, but can't regrow/repair a single spinal cord.

Re:Puhlease! (1, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174277)

Why is that strange?

There are plenty of examples in real life now where it is easier to create something from anew than to repair it. Easier/cheaper.

Let's take an extreme example... an 'I' beam used in construction. We can stamp those out by the hundreds, easy-peasy. But the moment an x-ray detects a crack in one, do we repair it? Heck no - it's way more difficult, and expensive, to repair that than it is to simply make a new 'I' beam.

Perhaps a medical example is in order... see that story on the front page a bit further down about growing a tooth in a rat? Everybody who has heard of construction of a new tooth from scratch that is identical to a grown tooth, raise your hand. No? Nobody? Yet a completely new tooth was grown by scientists already.

Just because mankind would have the ability to grow entirely new bodies (much like you could grow a clone, I daresay), doesn't mean you should assume they could just fix any existing bodies' ailments.

Re:Puhlease! (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173929)

Not all technological advancement happens at a steady, conformal pace - we can send probes to other worlds, put men in space, travel across the face of the earth in hours and yet we still rely on physicians making judgement calls about diagnoses?

We can investigate the fundamentals of the universe, the big bang and quantum physics, but we are yet to fully understand every step in the process of photosynthesis - one of the most widely used processes in life on this planet.

Just two examples.

Re:Puhlease! (2, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174013)

We can repair the body, or build a new body, but the brain has given up and thinks that the fixed or new body is still broken.

And we can't fix brains, we just know how to move them. It's like you fucking nerds installing a CPU. You don't know shit about how it works, and you could never fucking make one - you just know how to plug it in.

-
-

At least that's the shitty argument the fucking furries will throw at you.

Re:Puhlease! (0, Troll)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174107)

I guess at that point Humanity has forgotten about mining mineral rich asteroids. Especially mineral rich asteroids which aren't at the bottom of giant gravity wells knows as planets.

The plot has as many plot holes as an episode of Star Trek: Voyager.

They couldn't clone this guy a human body and have him control that at the very least????? They have FTL drive but mining asteroids which would probably have the same "rare" minerals as the planet they wish to plunder is too hard for them???? They can't just kill off this species on the planet with chemicals or a virus??? Orbital bombardment of Napalm too expensive for them as well????

The humans int he film deserve to get their asses handed to them by "Ewoks" because they are so frelling stupid.

Re:Puhlease! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174297)

well, in startrek they couldn't cure baldness.

"and if it will even be a science fiction film" (-1, Troll)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173801)

I can't say I ever expected it to be a science fiction film. I mean, it's based on the fantasy TV show of the same name that's on Nick, right? At least, it always seemed to be a fantasy show to me.

Disclaimer: I've never watched Avatar.

The Last Airbender Bending Rodriguez (1, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173847)

I mean, it's based on the fantasy TV show of the same name that's on Nick, right?

Only if "Air Bender" is a new ball shoe endorsed by a Futurama character.

Re:"and if it will even be a science fiction film" (5, Informative)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173931)

That's actually what I thought when I heard the title too. Except that's "Avatar: The Last Air Bender." And there is a movie coming out called "The Last Air Bender" which is based on that anime. This "Avatar" is unrelated to that one. Needless to say, I was still rather confused.

Re:"and if it will even be a science fiction film" (1)

Bluskale (633754) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174211)

The Last Air Bender movie will come out in 2010, and is probably aimed more towards kids, as the animated series on Nick was. If I recall correctly, the Avatar team got into a legal scuffle with The Last Air Bender team who originally prefixed "Avatar:" to their movie's title.

Re:"and if it will even be a science fiction film" (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174029)

No, they're two different things.
There is an Avatar (the Last Airbender) movie coming out as well.
Or did it already come out? I don't fucking know.

But they are both shitty, so no worries about getting them confused.

Based off the director's own words... (5, Interesting)

MaXintosh (159753) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173805)

I learnt about Avatar the other night, when I saw an ad for it. I looked it up on Wikipedia, read it over, and I thought, "This looks like Dances with Wolves in Space." I was curious whether anyone else made that analogy, so I googled "avatar film dances with wolves."

The first hit I got was "James Cameron: Yes, 'Avatar' is 'Dances with Wolves' in space ..."

At this point, it would have to be really damn good for me to see it. I don't need blue aliens telling me how bad White Manifest Destiney was in the United States. But I definitely don't need the overtones of insert-enlightened-human-here going in and saving the tribe^H^H^H^H^H by becoming it's leader, which is what the director was talking about.

Just say'n.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173979)

I was curious if in context he actually said that "Avatar" was "Dances with Wolves" in space so I googled your search and skimmed the article.
Not only did he say that "Avatar" was "Dances with Wolves" in space, he then said he was trying to make it something that Rudyard Kipling might have written. I just don't see how his concept makes a good movie, but then again I don't understand the popularity of Quentin Tarantino movies either.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (2, Interesting)

MaXintosh (159753) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174099)

I suppose Scifi can be a great tool for introducing social commentary - Blade Runner, for example. So, maybe they thought that it could stand a fresh facelift in that regard. Or maybe the writers thought they had something new to contribute to the story. As devil's advocate, sometimes retellings can improve on the story.

What's awful is it totally misses what made Dances with Wolves not suck, and it went right for a whole load of imperialistic garbage. The dialog would have to be really ****ing good to make up for "white-guy-proxy is now king-of-the-tribe and will lead the natives to salvation." And that's ignoring the whole "Furries gone mainstream" thing.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174193)

What's awful is it totally misses what made Dances with Wolves not suck

Kevin Costner???

Re:Based off the director's own words... (2, Insightful)

MaXintosh (159753) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174243)

Touché.

RedGreen said it best,
Edgar Montrose: That native actor in Dances With Wolves was really good, they shoulda given him the Oscar.
:)

Re:Based off the director's own words... (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173983)

What does "Just say'n" mean?

Re:Based off the director's own words... (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174133)

Dunno, but I bet that fucker's a Goa'uld.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174253)

What does "Just say'n" mean?

It means his opinions deserve less consideration than those of a super say'n.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (0, Offtopic)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174081)

Number 9 in Bing.

This just proves once again that Bing is better than Google.
Remember, Bing isn't just a search engine - it's the world's first decision engine.

If you Bing "avatar film dances with wolves", the first result is the IMDB entry for Dances with Wolves. If you're trying to make any sort of decision based on what you queried, Bing will help you make the right one: Go read about, then watch, Dances with Wolves, and stop paying attention to the shit that is Avatar.

Re:Based off the director's own words... (3, Funny)

TimeTraveler1884 (832874) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174299)

This looks like Dances with Wolves in Space

I want this movie to succeed only so that it may have a Broadway adaptation and then later become a traveling figure skating exhibit. I mean, who wouldn't want to see "River Dances with Wolves in Space on Ice?"

!aang, eh? (2, Interesting)

fredjh (1602699) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173809)

I'm more excited about the Last Airbender, to be perfectly honest, so "Avatar" in the thread title always gets me...

I think people should stop nit-picking about Avatar being science fiction... yes, it is science fiction.

Avatar - Has Sci-fi Found its FUCKING FURRIES (-1, Redundant)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173813)

I avoided all shitty shitty hype for this movie.
I saw the trailer when I went to see Inglorious Basterds (good, but dumb, and also insanely over hyped).

Avatar is shit and is for shitty fucking furries.

(Oh, and for you assholes, "and also" is correct. "And" is my list joiner and "also" is joining both films as being insanely over hyped.)

What????? (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173823)

""It seems in Avatar that all this gee-whiz science is merely there to draw the 'old crowd' in and provide some kind of rationale for a brightly-coloured fantasy-world which reflects the most emetic of the artwork plastered over teenage girls' MySpace pages"

That's stupid....everyone knows that teenage girls use facebook and twitter now..NOT myspace. Duh,

Re:What????? (1)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174199)

What the fuck is twitter? I'm still trying to figure out this whole Prodigy and AOL stuff.

Could Pixar do better than James Cameron? (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173853)

Honestly, I doubt it. Their entire catalog is skewed towards a younger demographic, and their recent announcements have indicated a trend towards sequelitis.
I think the tougher question is why they've never taken it upon themselves to take a chance with a more mature (PG-13 to R rated) offering. Most of their profits are realized through merchandizing, so anything they can't stick on a lunchbox, backpack, bedspread, or turn into little plastic figurine is off the table. The most Avatar can hope for is some blacklight posters sold at Spencers.

Re:Could Pixar do better than James Cameron? (3, Insightful)

flitty (981864) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174093)

Most of their profits are realized through merchandizing. . . The most Avatar can hope for is some blacklight posters sold at Spencers.

Strange. When I see halo-Warthog type vehicles, dropships, and tall blue aliens, the first thing that comes to my mind is how much this movie was built to be made into toys.

Re:Could Pixar do better than James Cameron? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174183)

Because historically, PG movies make more money.

Re:Could Pixar do better than James Cameron? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174293)

Pixar brought back the old Walt Disney spirit: "I don't make films for children. I make films children are not embarrassed to take their parents to."

Crap like Beverly Hills Chiuauah is skewed towards a younger demographic. Pixar films are aimed at everyone.

so... (1)

prozaker (1261190) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173863)

furries are mainstream now? whats next, some kind anthropomorphic plant suit? plantees?

Snide commentary thus far. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29173867)

ummm perhaps I am missing the tongue in cheek snideness of these comment's but, this is a movie, which is made up and is not real....
but hey this is just me being a troll I suppose. :>)

The other 'Avatar' (1)

Reik (101256) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173891)

It looks all flashy and might indeed be very good..we'll soon know.

Personally, I'm more looking forward to the other 'Avatar'. The one they had to call simply "The Last Airbender" due to copyright, trade name collision, whatever. I know the story there is good and compelling. Hopefully Shamyalan does the live action version justice.

Answer: Yes, Sci-Fi has Found its Heaven's Gate (1)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173911)

But not in avatar yet. Does anybody remember Battlefield Earth? Anybody? That was a bomb on a similar scale and it was in the sci-fi genre. Really, do we need to ask this question? Has Sci-Fi managed this long to go without a bomb? NO!!!! Dumb title/hook. Try again.

Quick article translation (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173957)

"Will 'Avatar' be the most amazing film ever and justify my spending the last year in nerd-lust over it? I don't actually know a thing about it other than what's in the trailer, but I presume that it won't."

Sexist bastard. :P (3, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173977)

"...which reflects the most emetic of the artwork plastered over teenage girls' MySpace pages"

Ever since Twilight came out and fangirling became mainstream, the response by so many boys has been dismissive and derisive. But in a room full of boys talking about World of Warcraft nobody flinches. It's a double standard.

What? (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174163)

Nobody flinches [kotaku.com] ? I'm afraid there is ample evidence to the contrary.

Some double standards are, at heart, sexist (in both directions, actually). Many are not. There are a lot of "double standards" in this world. In fact, deconstruction makes it possible to uncover "double standards" in all sorts of interesting places.

This is not one of them.

But, hey, nice try. (And hey, if you liked Twilight, be sure to click the link in my sig. d^_^b)

Re:Sexist bastard. :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174255)

There is very little difference between a room full of boys talking about World of Warcraft and a room full of girls talking about Twilight. Why shouldn't both get a lame movie that only they will enjoy?

Why name it Avatar? (1)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 5 years ago | (#29173989)

Seems like it's begging for confusion with "Avatar: The Last Airbender"

Re:Why name it Avatar? (1)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174235)

Except that James Cameron has been dreaming up this idea for going on a decade and a half. The Anime has only been in existance since it's conception in 2001 and wasn't on TV until 2005. James Cameron wrote a lite-script for Avatar in 1995.

male chauvanism? (4, Insightful)

Lexible (1038928) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174007)

most emetic of the artwork plastered over teenage girls' MySpace pages

sure... while teenage boys' fantasies get exalted into "real sci-fi"? (like, say the recent star trek movie?) mayhap den of geek should adjust his testosterone obsession by reading ursula le guin, c. j. cherryh, octavia butler, dorris lessing, joanna rush, emma bull, oh and heck, anne mccaffrey. i can't help but imagine that it would nicely leaven the quality of questions about sci-fi he poses.

Hrm. (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174269)

Most of those authors I've never heard of, however, I can say from reading them that Ursula Le Guin and Anne McCaffrey would both seem in line with the point of the article--that Avatar is a fantasy dressed in sci-fi trappings. In particular, I found the "sci-fi" origins of Pern extremely off-putting and stopped reading that series.

Arguably, Star Wars is the same thing, of course, not to mention my wife's book (link in my sig) but I think that's a different argument than the one you're making here.

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174009)

Normal people don't give a fuck about furries, or care that there's a group of deviants jerking off to cartoon animals. Only nerds do, who let their hatred of unimportant things dictate their taste in entertainment. To quote someone else, - "You can think of literally anything and there is someone jerking off to it right now. If you let that dictate your likes and dislikes you should retreat from the world entirely."

Over Hyped, Yes. Predictable, Yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29174015)

However, I will enjoy the film because as far as I can tell from watching the trailer and reading the very basic plot synopsis, this is my favorite kind of movie: one in which mankind is the bad guy. I've loved this type of movie ever since I saw Nightbreed [wikipedia.org] .

These types of stories are never going to change us as a species, but I'm pleased that there are other creative minds out there who share my thoughts on the human race as a whole. On the other hand, this is likely why people are not going to enjoy the film. They will make up reasons such as bad story, incoherrent plot, annoying over-use of special effects, etc, but deep down they will know the real reason why. It makes most people uncomfortable to see their true selves. I saw this same effect at District 9 [wikipedia.org] a week ago. People shambled aimlessly and quietly out of the theatre after it was over. To me, that's a signal that the movie got to them. Only once they were outside did I hear conversations emerge about how horrible they felt the film was.

Okay...and yes I admit the other reason why Avatar attracts me is because the aliens look like cat-people. I'm a furry (not the fursuiter sex-party type as that has always struck me as a bit extreme--more power to anyone who is into it, though, we all have our kinks) and I'm always happy to see mainstream cinema containing anything realitve to my interests. I'm not going to deny that was a selling-point for me.

I HOPE IT FAILS (1)

new death barbie (240326) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174083)

And the studios will finally force James Cameron to make Titanic II.

Three words: (4, Insightful)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174119)

James F*cking Cameron

Has he let us down up until now? Aliens, Terminator, T2, Abyss (not kick-ass amazing, but still a good flick), True Lies... you have to go back to Pirhana to get a stinker, and he was still cutting his chops, and he didn't write it.

And I don't know what trailer the critic watched, but I'm with Sam Worthington: "This is *GREAT*"

Sci-Fi (1)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174173)

What kinda bites is that one of the plot gimmicks is the mind control of robot/avatar, which makes it similar to Surrogate (with Bruce Willis). I'm worried that this will make Surrogate seem kinda like a knock-off of Avatar, which is a shame because I think Surrogate is poised to be one of the best Sci-fi movies on 2009.

Um... why the confusion? (1)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174271)

I got the reference right off the bat, because A) Heaven's Gate is widely used as an example of "the movie that broke the studio", and B) Since the title refers to a movie (Avatar), I automatically knew it wasn't talking about a death cult. It's amazing how 2 seconds of deductive reasoning results in "I know what he's talking about" instead of "Why is he talking about a death cult in relation to Avatar?"

Star Wars isn't sci fi? (1)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174287)

From TFA: Worst of all, I don't believe that it will be a 'science-fiction film' any more than Star Wars...

I'm sorry, I must be out of the loop? Since when is Star Wars not sci-fi? Is there a real empire? A real rebel alliance? A real death star, force, tie fighters, x-wing fighters, light saber, etc?

main character paralyzed (1, Redundant)

hansoloaf (668609) | more than 5 years ago | (#29174309)

one thing that I get from the synopsis and trailer is that there's this main character that is paralyzed and is linked to a new hybrid alien life form through the mind (telepathy I guess).

If they have this type of technology - why not just cure the paralysis. So it smells like a plot hole that the director is ignoring in the pursuit of a cinematic vision.

I'll still watch it just out of curiosity.
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