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Snow Leopard (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176295)

Like Leopard, but so cool all of it's precipitation has frozen into crystallized ice flakes.

Steve Hobbies has done it again (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176297)

I can't wait to get my pussy wet out in the snow.

I just came (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176299)

I just came in my pants!

Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (5, Insightful)

weston (16146) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176301)

Leopard messed up audio programs of all kinds until Apple finally got around to addressing the issues with the .3 update. The recent .8 update screwed up some people's wireless connectivity. It hasn't been that long since some early adopters lost entire volumes of data when they upgraded.

Snow Leopard is supposed to be fixes, tweaks, and improvements, so maybe this one is a better bet, but still, I can't see myself pre-ordering.

Re:Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (1)

kRITek (992103) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176471)

Maybe, but that's not going to stop me from paying $10 for my upgrade right now.

Re:Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (2, Informative)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176495)

I've never had a problem with an upgrade on the Mac; I think I've covered each point upgrade from 10.4.1 to 10.5.8. So I've preordered and will install when it gets here. The only Apple upgrade that's given me problems is iPhone 3.0; wireless strength gradually drops from full to nothing over 10 minutes or so. With 2.x it's fine.

Re:Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (2, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176519)

Good point. Do us a favor and post here after you install it so the rest of us know whether it's safe?

Re:Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (5, Interesting)

samkass (174571) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176595)

I'm one of those crazy ones who always installs the .0 release. (I also back up, which is something most computer users don't do, either, so my risk profile is still probably better than average.) Most of the time for vast majority of people the upgrades go fine. There are always a few problems and the people experiencing those problems jump on the nearest message board and you hear a lot of noise about it. The millions who don't have problems don't, and you don't hear about them.

Would I install 10.6.0 on a mission-critical, high-uptime machine? No, definitely not-- there's no immediate business justification for it yet. (Wait until more 64-bit and massively parallel software takes advantage of the new APIs.) My home machine, though, is for my own learning and fun, and it's definitely worth it for me there. I can always restore if things go terribly awry.

Windows 7 (0, Flamebait)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176637)

Sorry, not a troll. I have a Mac and I use it more or less regularly, but now that I have Windos 7... I'm NOT going back to the Mac. Windows 7 is like OSX but without all the Mac annoyances. That thing rules.

Re:Windows 7 (4, Insightful)

Stupendoussteve (891822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176689)

Just wait until it gets bloated and begins to slow down. It happened with every previous version of Windows and unfortunately the behavior continues in 7 (I blame the registry). I have never had this issue with OS X, maybe because it separates the OS from the Applications so much.

Re:Are you crazy if you rush out and install it? (2, Funny)

Garbad Ropedink (1542973) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176695)

I don't even know what this new OS does that would make me want to get it. Literally. Did they at least make some tweaks to the UI to make it seem different from the previous version? I only upgraded to Leopard in the first place because I lost my Tiger disk and couldn't get bootcamp installed. I actually got Leopard on the day it came out and had to wait in line outside the apple store like some sort of jerk who was enthusiastic about that sort of thing.

mops (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176303)

They don't even pretend that snow leopard is not a service pack.

That's all well and fine .... (0, Offtopic)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176307)

I'm still waiting for Apple to announce the Macbook Wheel [theonion.com]

free upgrades? (2, Interesting)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176309)

I've never owned a mac, but was thinking of getting a macbook in the future. Are OSX upgrades free?

Re:free upgrades? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176319)

Nope. OS X: It has service packs that you Pay For!

Re:free upgrades? (1, Informative)

abigor (540274) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176357)

No, point updates are free. New OS versions cost money. I guess you are new to computers.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176395)

many people would consider sp2 just as big a change as a "New OS version". Not new to computers, just never bought into apple's marketing.

P.S. From etch to lenny? 100% free and no heart-ache either.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176473)

SP 2 was just fixing all the worst security holes in XP, to bring it to a tolerable level of usefulness. I certainly wouldn't expect to pay money for that.

Re:free upgrades? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Cowar (1608865) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176503)

and yet people are gonna pay $29 for this upgrade which has been mentioned as nothing more than patching up the holes and bugs in leopard and bringing it to a tolerable level of usefulness. Go mac users! Fight the machine!

Re:free upgrades? (2, Interesting)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176591)

I think it's already useful. I look at snow leopard as adding a bunch of junk no one needs yet.

I'll be buying and installing it because it's cheap and I'm a mac user and I want to be cutting edge. But honestly, there is nothing special about the release, if they tried to charge full price for it I would pass for sure.

If vista was 29 bucks, I would of upgraded that as well.

Re:free upgrades? (2, Interesting)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176801)

I dunno, I thought that trimming 7 GB off the size of the install was pretty neat. If the performance gains are as good as their marketing wants us to think there may be more value there than you think.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176629)

that's funny, I don't have a problem with Leopard usability at all on my macbook, and we upgraded the old G5 iMac to Leopard for the speed boost (which it did) but we weren't having crash issues. I for one won't be in a hurry to upgrade to Snow Leopard, because Leopard works just fine.

I think that it's disingenuous to compare point upgrades in the mac world to service packs in the windows world. This comparison comes naturally because MS took many years to actually come out with a featureful consumer upgrade (XP --> Vista), by which time every other OS had upgraded multiple times. Just because it takes Apple about as long to put out a point upgrade as it does for MS to put out a new service pack, doesn't mean they're equivalent.

Of course, having said that, I'm sure you're right that many many fanboys will rush out and upgrade to Snow Leopard, and get burned in the usual new-release bugs. I don't plan to be one of them.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176791)

The main new feature is Exchange support. I guess the short feature list is why this one costs $29 for an upgrade rather than the $129 you usually pay for a new version.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176685)

Many people would consider the upgrade from Windows 6.0 to Windows 6.1 to be a service pack, too. In fact, many people would consider Window 6.0 to be unusable by itself.

But Microsoft charges for upgrades from 6.0 to 6.1, unless you bought 6.0 after a certain date.

(In case you were wondering, 6.0 was Vista. 6.1 is 7. Yes, 6.1 = 7.)

Re:free upgrades? (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176469)

So it cost nothing to upgrade from 10.0 (Cheetah) to 10.6 (snow leopard) good to know!

Re:free upgrades? (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176663)

10.0 to 10.6 are seven sequential OSes, each one extending the functionality of the previous version. Just like 2000->XP->Vista->7. You're just confused because Apple is capable of releasing an operating system each time Windows release a service pack.

Re:free upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176391)

I think if Microsoft released a service pack that made machines run faster and shrank the OS's disk footprint by 7GB, most users would pay quite a bit for it.

Oh wait, they did - it's called an XP downgrade, and it costs $$.

Re:free upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176399)

Not quite. Remember service packs in Windows are mostly bug and vulnerability fixes so the machine is actually usable while OSX updates such as snow leopard extend functionality. OSX also has minor upgrades (which are similar to service packs) that are free.

And in case your are wondering, I am not a mac fanboy, I prefer my linux machine at home to my OSX machine at work.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

Lord Byron Eee PC (1579911) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176321)

No, they are $29. Considering what a Windows license costs, I think its a hell of a deal.

Re:free upgrades? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176749)

Considering you pay $500 extra for your mac, it's really not.

Re:free upgrades? (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176341)

The OS X equivalents of service packs are free. Upgrades cost money--I believe Snow Leopard is $29 for Leopard users. The retail price is $129.

Re:free upgrades? (2, Informative)

k_187 (61692) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176717)

No, the retail price of Snow Leopard is $169. You cannot buy Snow Leopard without buying the "Mac Box" which includes Snow Leopard, iLife '09 and iWork '09. Thus, if you're upgrading from Tiger, you either need to buy Leopard now and the upgrade or pay extra.

Re:free upgrades? (5, Informative)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176361)

All updates within a particular version are free (10.5.1, 10.5.2, 10.5.3, etc.), but jumping to a major version (10.4 -> 10.5) cost something. This particular upgrade is a little different insofar as they've tweaked the behind-the-scenes stuff more than anything else, which some folks might consider nothing more than a service pack, but because of that it's only $29 instead of the usual $129.

HTH

Re:free upgrades? (5, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176485)

OSX upgrades are as free as Windows upgrades are-- which is to say minor updates and bug-fixes are free, but major updates cost you.

Lots of Windows fanatics like to point to the numbering scheme and claim that Apple makes you pay for "service packs", so they'll note that 10.4 to 10.5 is a paid upgrade, even though the version number stays the same. However, in OSX, it's the third version number that's similar to a service pack, i.e. 10.4.1 could be called Mac OSX v4, service pack 1.

And that's not necessarily too different from Windows versioning. Windows 2000 was Windows 5.0, and Windows XP was version 5.1. Windows XP service pack 3, under Apple's versioning number scheme, could be called 5.1.3. Or really, since Apple isn't incrementing the "10" part of their versioning number, it could be 10.5.1.3.

Ultimately I'm just saying that whole side of the argument-- that is, the version numbering-- is a little arbitrary and stupid. The point is that Apple releases small improvements and bug fixes all the time, and those are free. Every two years or so, they release a new version with new features and major improvements, and those can cost as much as $130. However, in the case of Snow Leopard, most of the improvements are under the hood, so the upgrade price is only $30.

Apple's versioning makes more sense than Win. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176729)

OSX (aka OS version 10) is the UNIX-based implementation of MacOS. It remains the same because the basics of the OS design haven't changed since the first 10 release. What's been improving is the increased featureset. I imagine if Apple decides to ever overhaul the whole design of the GUI then you'll probably be faced off with OS11, but since the OSX design has been such a success for them it's fairly unlikely that they'll maneuver away from it anytime in the near future.

Re:free upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176631)

Actually yes, they are. After a certain point you'll have to pay, but you can upgrade from say 10.1 all the way to 10.4.9, or 10.5 to 10.5.8. You also get frequent security updates and some quicktime support.

Re:free upgrades? (2, Informative)

schwanerhill (135840) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176713)

If you buy a MacBook after June 8, 2009 (i.e. any time now) that doesn't yet have Snow Leopard (10.6) pre-installed, the update will cost $9.99. Apple calls it "free" with a $9.99 shipping and handling fee. (See the Macworld story [macworld.com] .)

Then Apple Will Ship 10.7, 10.8, and (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176317)

so on and so forth further r(e)aping profits from gullible custormers.

Distribute OS X for free and you'll bankrupt The Most Evil Software, Hardware, and Other Sundry Goods Company [microsoft.com] .

Yours In Socialism,
Kilgore T.

expensive (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176335)

Expensive price for a Service Pack.

Re:expensive (0)

8127972 (73495) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176407)

Given that it dumps Power PC support among other items listed below, methinks it's a bit more than a service pack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.6 [wikipedia.org]

Re:expensive (1)

devinteske (1258302) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176477)

Except that it's not a Service Pack. If you really want to equate Microsoft Windows (commonly associated with the "Service Pack" jargon), then Snow Leopard is to Windows 7 what Leopard is to Vista. The fact is that Snow Leopard brings in new features (such as support for Sun Microsystem's Zetta File-System [ZFS]) and more in addition to refining the Operating System. A "service pack" is, well, a pack of updates to a service (that or a pack that performs a service, but that doesn't sound nearly as canonical). It doesn't matter what meaning you assign to "service pack," Snow Leopard does not qualify under this title.

INexpensive for a service pack (-1, Flamebait)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176501)

At $29 for users of the current version, it's inexpensive compared to the upcoming Vista service pack [microsoft.com] .

Mods please fix that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176769)

It's not a troll, it's a fact!

new mac user here (1, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176343)

Picked up a mini first of the year. This will be my very first upgrade.

As I understand it, the version numbers here are pretty much on par with a Microsoft OS version number so 10.5 to 10.6 will be like going from 98 to Win2k and should be handled the same way, upgrading will make for an unstable system so I should backup everything and do a fresh install. Is this conventional wisdom still correct?

Re:new mac user here (2, Informative)

sl0ppy (454532) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176381)

always back up. use time machine.

try an in-place update. the installer should inform you if it is able to do an in-place update (it should be able to).

if that fails, a clean install should be just fine, with your time machine backup used for applications, user files, and settings.

Re:new mac user here (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176483)

always back up. use time machine.

try an in-place update. the installer should inform you if it is able to do an in-place update (it should be able to).

How does that work for backing up applications? I had problems with utorrent's updates and for some reason could not do a full uninstall to be rid of it, user settings were preserved. I later found out that there were configuration files stored under my user folder in applications and libraries. Ugh, you know if Apple is going to steal an idea from Microsoft it's going to be one of the dumb ones. (Incidentally, utorrent for mac is still buggerfucked. They haven't had a stable version out for months now. I can't understand it with the windows version of the product being so spiff.)

So if I do a fresh install, I then would plug in my external time machine drive and tell it to restore the given app to the folder? Do I also have to specify the app and library files?

Re:new mac user here (3, Informative)

Stupendoussteve (891822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176619)

What dumb Microsoft idea did they "steal"? Programs use configuration files, not a registry, this is better and way easier to manage. They are almost always stored in ~/Library/Preferences.

To restore an application you would restore it to /Applications. To restore any personal configuration would you have to restore the files in ~/Library.

Of course, if you back up and then do an in-place update, there should be little reason to restore anything. They have continually gotten better with their upgrade system. There is very little cruft as the old system is moved to a different directory and kept separate from the new one. Applications and configuration is already kept separate from the operating system itself.

Re:new mac user here (1)

devinteske (1258302) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176661)

"Steal an idea from Microsoft" ... excuse me? I think you may be referring to the infamous "Registry" which, were you dealing with uninstalling an application on Windows, you would have a MUCH more difficult time of tracking down your user preferences and deleting them. And, I'm sorry to inform you, but Apple did no such thing. The standard practice of storing a file with configuration options within the User's configured directory hierarchy actually dates back to the late 1960's from Bell Labs on UNIX System V when the precursor to BSD-style user-account processing was introduced (which pre-dates Microsoft Windoze *AND* Mac OS). You might as well get your facts right... they BOTH stole from UNIX (which probably stole from VAX, which probably stole from... ad nauseum). And if anybody is going to be called out as the black-sheep for doing things nonsensically, it's going to be Microsoft with the, again, the infamous "Registry" (which I believe to be the most counter-productive waste of cycles ever conceived; with perhaps goatse.cx running a close second).

Re:new mac user here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176727)

The installer won't ask if you want to upgrade, perform a clean install or an archive and install. The only option using the installer is to "upgrade". AFAIK The other options can be found in Disk Utility.

Re:new mac user here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176389)

I did 3 upgrades from 10.4 to 10.5 without an issue and I expect to do the same going to 10.6.

Re:new mac user here (2, Informative)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176397)

Yes. Historically, there have been issues with each major upgrade of Mac OS X. I had kernel panics on a regular basis when I upgraded to 10.5 but now it seems fairly solid. I'm hoping that since the focus for 10.6 was speed and stability that it won't have these issues but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:new mac user here (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176511)

I did in-place installs from 10.3 all the way to 10.5. There turned out to be a bug in the 10.5 update process that rendered File Vault home directories unmountable after the first reboot (WTF?) but the data was recoverable by booting the 10.4 install DVD, mounting the disk image from there and copying all of the files off it. I'd recommend doing a full backup before upgrading. Apple tests the upgrade, but not with all possible configurations (apparently no one at Apple uses File Vault...) and if you're in one of the untested configurations you may have problems.

One thing to watch out for is that updates, in the past, have completely destroyed everything in /usr, which means that things like TeX need reinstalling.

Re:new mac user here (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176825)

There turned out to be a bug in the 10.5 update process that rendered File Vault home directories unmountable after the first reboot (WTF?) but the data was recoverable by booting the 10.4 install DVD, mounting the disk image from there and copying all of the files off it.

I remember that one, I ended up booting to console and converting the filevault image to a regular disk image in order to get the data out from it, then I did a complete reinstall.

That was definitely a pretty sloppy mistake by Apple and hopefully something we won't see with 10.6.

/Mikael

This is an incorrect assumption. (3, Informative)

juuri (7678) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176527)

The SL upgrade is much more like going from Win 98 to Win 98 SE if it must be put in those terms.

Almost all of the upgrades are things under the hood that most users will notice little of, except the general speed up (which is quite significant in many parts), dock improvements, better Exchange support and improved dock functionality. This is a good update for tons of reasons most people shouldn't even really care about, so the pricing is quite justified.

Re:This is an incorrect assumption. (1)

juuri (7678) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176545)

Listed dock improvements... twice, they are that good ;)

Re:This is an incorrect assumption. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176809)

Yeah, I've had an opportunity to play with the version that is supposedly the version that went gold, and mostly there aren't obvious and visible differences. There are some interface tweaks here and there, but the only one that stands out for me is the use of Exposé in the Dock.

However, it does seem faster and even more stable, and I think that's worth $30 to me. YMMV.

one difference from Win98-2k (0, Troll)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176551)

Going from 10.5 to 10.6 is likely to be an actual upgrade.

Re:new mac user here (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176577)

If going from 10.5 to 10.6 is like going from win 98 to win 2k, my recommendation would be to buy a new machine for the new OS.

Re:new mac user here (2, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176813)

As I understand it, the version numbers here are pretty much on par with a Microsoft OS version number so 10.5 to 10.6 will be like going from 98 to Win2k and should be handled the same way

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. Anyone who could possible equate going from OSX 10.5 to 10.6 to upgrading Windows 98 to the NT kernel-based Windows 2000 is one of two things:

- Too young to have actually used Windows 98
- Undergoing unhealthy bombardment by the Reality Distortion Field

Reading the list of changes, it looks more like going from 10.5 to 10.6 is more like going from RTM XP to XP SP3 (which includes the upgrades to MS software that comes free with a Windows license like Messenger, Windows Mail, Movie Maker, etc). It's the same operating system, same kernel, same framework, just with various "improvements" and some new programs.

Re:new mac user here (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176833)

This is no way like going from 98 to 2000. More like going from 2000 to XP or Vista to 7.
Going from 9 to 10.0 would be like going from 98 to 2000.

Will it support DHCPv6 ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176363)

I know the current version of OS X does not, and you're stuck with manual config or stateless autoconf, with no way to automatically configure DNS servers, NTP, and the rest of the goodies DHCP does for you on IPv4...

Re:Will it support DHCPv6 ? (3, Informative)

Zan Lynx (87672) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176703)

The ideal IPv6 setup does not even use fixed DNS and NTP, etc. The system should be using stateless autoconf and multicast services for that.

Running out of cats? (5, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176383)

Pretty soon, Apple is going to run out of cats to name their OS X versions after. How many are left? When are they going to stoop to calling a new version "Housecat"?

Re:Running out of cats? (5, Funny)

jacktherobot (1538645) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176433)

I can't wait for OSX Lolcat!!

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

trash eighty (457611) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176463)

Probably after OSX 10.9 Tomcat

Re:Running out of cats? (2, Informative)

yossie (93792) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176479)

Oh, these common ones are still available. and wikipedia has a list that is 10x longer of possibilities.. Don't think they will run out soon.
lion
cougar
bobcat
ocelot
serval
puma
lynx

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

stephentyrone (664894) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176623)

Puma was OS X 10.1.

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

blackbearnh (637683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176649)

Simmons: Why 'Warthog,' Sir?

Sarge: Because 'M12 LRV' is too hard to say in conversation, son.

Grif: No, but, why 'Warthog'? I mean, it doesn't really look like a pig...

Sarge: Say that again?

Grif: I think it looks more like a Puma.

Sarge: What in Sam Hell is a 'Puma'?

Simmons: Uhh, you mean like the shoe company?

Grif: No! Like a Puma! It's a big cat, it's like a lion.

Sarge: You're making that up.

Grif: I'm telling you, it's a real animal.

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

Anonymous Codger (96717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176697)

Siamese
Tonkinese
Tabby
Abyssinian
Main Coon
Persian
Mexican Hairless

and of course,

Hep
Cool
Sno

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176771)

Puma? You're makin' that up...
P.S. For those hearing the woosh, it's a Red vs. Blue joke. And a good one at that.

Everyone says Apple users are gay men but (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176589)

the truth is we are literally swimming in pussy

Re:Everyone says Apple users are gay men but (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176673)

Must not make gay joke...must not make gay joke.

Re:Everyone says Apple users are gay men but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176709)

Literally? So you've got that giant woman fetish Dan Savage has mentioned, huh?

Re:Running out of cats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176651)

Officially, Apple wants to stick to big cats, so housecats are out of the question. Reliable insider sources suggest that they will slightly alter this soon, however, releasing "OS X Don't Taze Me Bro," piloting their move from "big cats" to "giant pussies."

Re:Running out of cats? (1)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176701)

Needn't be all big cats.

For instance, I've always been fascinated by the Serval for some strange reason...

There's the Caracal, Ocelot and Lynx ... then Cougars, if you are into that kind of thing.

Re:Running out of cats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176819)

Well there's Garfield [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia]

kanji input (4, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176415)

The only feature of Snow Leopard that looks at all interesting is the hanzi/kanji input on the trackpad. Probably hard to draw the twenty-stroke characters, unlike the five-stroke example screenshots. But since I rarely use my laptop OPEN (I run in clamshell mode to an external monitor most of the time), even that is not particularly useful to me.

Re:kanji input (4, Informative)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176597)

There's a large number of under-the-hood rewrites and redesigns. The Finder is finally rewritten (so it's not using 10+ year old technologies), the major parts of the OS (kernel, most built-in apps) are 64-bit, and there's several other new things - like the new QuickTime (which serves, however terrible the app on other platforms is, as a very nice media playback framework on OS X).

Re:kanji input (2, Informative)

mkaushik (1431203) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176753)

Isn't this the OS X version which has OpenCL integrated into it? If yes, is that not considered a big enough improvement?

Re:kanji input (1)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176767)

I agree... I mean, who wants 50% faster JavaScript performance in their web browser? And a faster OS? Pfft... Useless.

me wonder what they will break this time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176421)

We have some custom scripts that are critical for the Mac population here so test will be run... but like always do not install it on the first week :)

Re:me wonder what they will break this time... (1)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176525)

Did the scripts work with the developer's releases over the last year? If so you'll be okay.

Hackintosh parts on Black Friday! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176449)

Woo-hoo, plenty of time for the Hackintosh crowd to recommend hardware that works with this ice-cold cat before Black Friday! Woot!

Productivity loss (0, Troll)

Stele (9443) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176489)

Think of the millions of dollars in lost productivity Friday when thousands of Mac users stay home from work so they can play with the shiny new calculator in Snow Leopard.

Personally I took off work today as soon I saw this announcement. I'll be in my bunk...

"built in Exchange support." (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176509)

'Nuff said. Some of us are forced to use it. It was a pleasant surprise to see it integrated so well into the iphone/itouch; it will be even better to see it integrated to ical and mail.app. Of course, I'd prefer not to have to use it at all, but I'd also prefer to live on a beach in Hawaii.

Snow Leopard? More like SLOW Leopard! (1, Insightful)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176531)

See, I changed one letter, an 'n', for another, an 'l', as a way of making fun of the new release of Mac OS... I don't have any real reason for thinking it's slow, and it's not like I really have anything against Snow Leopard (apart from the fact that I, myself, am not interested in running Mac OS X any more) - it's just fun to make fun of it.

Re:Snow Leopard? More like SLOW Leopard! (5, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176611)

See, I changed one letter, an 'n', for another, an 'l', as a way of making fun of the new release of Mac OS... I don't have any real reason for thinking it's slow, and it's not like I really have anything against Snow Leopard (apart from the fact that I, myself, am not interested in running Mac OS X any more) - it's just fun to make fun of it.

iSee.

Webmail? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176543)

One of the things I've been trying to find out about are the improvements to OSX Server in 10.6, specifically regarding email and webmail. Can anyone tell me whether they're still using SquirrelMail?

Apple has a very nice webmail/web-calendar system that they use for MobileMe, but so far they haven't used any of that in OSX Server. I'm somewhat baffled, since I would probably buy an Xserve on the day that they offered such a nice webmail solution in OSX server.

several interesting issues (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176599)

1) this is an update, not a full installation. There is no "full price" edition, you MUST have mac os 10.5 on it now

2) 10.6 drops support for PPC (already mentioned previously here) so if they have older versions of Mac OS X on them it doesn't matter. However, some of the earliest intel macbooks and imacs shipped with 10.4.7-9 and their owners have not upgraded to 10.5 so there are some intels floating around without leopard on them.

3) VERY IMPORTANT - Apple will stop selling 10.5 the day they release 10.6. So if you have a macbook or intel imac with 10.4(.11) on it and don't get it updated to 10.5 before the 28th you cannot install Snow Leopard. The AASPs are going to go mad as of today trying to order as many 10.5 retail packs as they can get their hands on. If you will be needing one, you'd better get it NOW.

Re:several interesting issues (4, Informative)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176675)

also 4) for $170 you can get the 10.6 box set that includes ilife and iwork. that is the only option apple will offer you if you get stuck with a 10.4 intel after the 28th.

Re:several interesting issues (1)

idiot900 (166952) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176737)

3) VERY IMPORTANT - Apple will stop selling 10.5 the day they release 10.6. So if you have a macbook or intel imac with 10.4(.11) on it and don't get it updated to 10.5 before the 28th you cannot install Snow Leopard. The AASPs are going to go mad as of today trying to order as many 10.5 retail packs as they can get their hands on. If you will be needing one, you'd better get it NOW.

Citation? That would be monumentally stupid of Apple. Surely they'll figure out how to sell their new OS to 10.4 users on Intel.

Boxed Set (4, Informative)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176741)

3) VERY IMPORTANT - Apple will stop selling 10.5 the day they release 10.6. So if you have a macbook or intel imac with 10.4(.11) on it and don't get it updated to 10.5 before the 28th you cannot install Snow Leopard. The AASPs are going to go mad as of today trying to order as many 10.5 retail packs as they can get their hands on. If you will be needing one, you'd better get it NOW.

Apple sells a "boxed set" that upgrades Tiger to Snow Leopard, with no intermediate steps.

Yes, the Boxed Set is $169, which is more than Leopard alone was($129) but it does inlcude iLife and iWork as a bonus. (Yes, this is just a ploy to get more copies of iLife and iWork out there.)

Re:several interesting issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176765)

Utter nonsense!

The $29 price is to upgrade from 10.5 but there is a full priced option for people not running 10.5.

And, as 10.5 is the last OS to support PPCs, it won't be dropped any time soon.

Get your facts straight dude!

Re:several interesting issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176783)

Points 1 and 3 are false. It is just more expensive to upgrade from 10.4. From the press release:

For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac®, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® â(TM)09 and iWork® â(TM)09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).

Re:several interesting issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176797)

FTFA: For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac®, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® â(TM)09 and iWork® â(TM)09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US)

I'll try the Kool-Aid. (2, Informative)

hammarlund (568027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176601)

Word from Apple is that "Users will notice refinements including a more responsive Finder; Mail that loads messages up to twice as fast; Time Machine with an up to 80 percent faster initial backup; a Dock with Expose integration; QuickTime X with a redesigned player that allows users to easily view, record, trim and share video; and a 64-bit version of Safari 4 that is up to 50 percent faster and resistant to crashes caused by plug-ins. Snow Leopard is half the size of the previous version and frees up to 7GB of drive space once installed." It sounds like a deal to me for $29, especially reclaiming 7G of hard drive space.

Re:I'll try the Kool-Aid. (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176759)

"It sounds like a deal to me for $29, especially reclaiming 7G of hard drive space."

You really care about 7GB of hard drive space? That is literally 70 CENTS worth of hard drive space. With today's hard drive sizes and prices, you shouldn't even be worried about the size of any given piece of data until it's up into the hundreds of gigabytes range.

Beeb link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176607)

The brief BBC announcement goes has some detail about why this release gets a headline. (I'm not using a Mac, so didn't know.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8218446.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Gotta love nicely priced upgrades (1)

LS1 Brains (1054672) | more than 4 years ago | (#29176671)

If its shiny and made by Apple, I'm buying it.

Ooops, already preordered!



For 30 bucks, I can't imagine anything other than near 100% market acceptance. M$ could take a cue by bringing the prices on the OS down, and focusing on incremental profits from other packages. But then again, if Microsoft did it, they'd be accused of abusing their market power by "giving it away." Either way, I'm still happy I only spent 30 bucks to upgrade ;)

Upgrading my Linux boxen: still the best, at free!

delivers on friday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29176679)

i ordered via store.apple.com, and my copy will be delivered, not shipped on the 28th

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