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Fear of Porn URL Exposure Discourages Firefox 3 Upgrade

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the porn-mode-incomplete-until-it's-a-separate-browser dept.

Privacy 673

Barence writes "Mozilla's Security team has disclosed a very interesting piece of research which suggests people refused to upgrade to Firefox 3 because they were afraid the browser would expose their porn collection. Mozilla's research found that the number one reason for not upgrading was the new location bar, and the fact that it delved into people's bookmark collections to suggest sites as they typed. 'When we expanded the capabilities of the location bar to search against all history and bookmarks in Firefox 3, a lot of people contacted us to say that they had certain bookmarks they didn't really want to have displayed,' Firefox's principal designer, Alex Faaborg, tactfully explains. 'In some cases users had intentionally hidden these bookmarks in deep hierarchies of folders, somewhat similar to how one might hide a physical object.'"

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673 comments

Browse safely (5, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204911)

That's why I use IE.

Re:Browse safely (0)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205081)

Troll? Meta-Mod +1 WHOOSH.

Re:Browse safely (4, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205375)

Ahh, but you won't be using IE for much longer. Now, Mozilla have finally put the last nail in IE's coffin. Now, you MUST upgrade to Firefox 3, or be branded a pervert.

Re:Browse safely (1)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205407)

IE has an auto-complete feature for its location bar too and so does Chrome. Although chrome is a lot more aggressive about it i.e. with chrome it searches not only your bookmarks, but also google. So you can always say that its just looking for similar sites to someone who is not very much into computers. An experianced user may be able to figure out though. There is always private mode browsing for your help if you don't have bookmarks.

To be more specific (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204915)

I'm guessing "they were afraid the browser would expose their porn collection" at work.

Re:To be more specific (5, Insightful)

SOdhner (1619761) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205001)

That would certainly be a problem, but I think for most people porn and work are kept separate and yet they still have those concerns:

1. Maybe you don't want your wife and kids to have porn urls popping up on the browser

2. Maybe you don't want slashdot popping up at work, thereby allowing them to realize that it's not blocked like every other site.

Re:To be more specific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205069)

Maybe you should install a different browser and browse your porn from there.

Re:To be more specific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205203)

Google chrome "incognito" mode, baby. The only way to fap!

Re:To be more specific (1, Troll)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205115)

Maybe you don't want your wife and kids to have porn urls popping up on the browser

Maybe if you're married & have children you shouldn't be looking at porn, then you wouldn't have that problem...

Re:To be more specific (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205171)

Thanks for the lecture on morality :)

Re:To be more specific (4, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205175)

Oh stop with the morals and ethics stuff. I should be able to do whatever I want to do, regardless of what I promised or said I'd do or what is good for my relationships with other people or what is good for other people. And, by the way, all this corporate and political corruption is really getting on my nerves, why can't they be good, ethical, moral, scientific, non-hypocritical promise-keeping citizens like me?

[/sarcasm]

Re:To be more specific (4, Insightful)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205183)

Wrong. Maybe you just need a wife who is into porn as well. Having a healthy sex drive is not a fault.

Re:To be more specific (0, Troll)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205215)

Wrong. Maybe you just need a wife who is into porn as well. Having a healthy sex drive is not a fault.

Is watching others have sex instead of having sex with your spouse healthy?

Re:To be more specific (4, Interesting)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205297)

It's not an either/or. You can do both. For more fun, you can do both at the same time (whether those you're watching are on a video or in person is a function of how adventurous you are). My wife and I are young still though (I'm 26 and she's 25) so we haven't had all those old people stigmas kick in yet.

Re:To be more specific (3, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205205)

Maybe you don't want your wife and kids to have porn urls popping up on the browser

Maybe if you're married & have children you shouldn't be looking at porn, then you wouldn't have that problem...

Fortunately the male sex drive ceases immediately after marriage begins, so this should be an entirely sensible solution...

Re:To be more specific (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205221)

Amen, brutha.

Besides, is it really that difficult to memorize something like www.redtube.com [redtube.com] ? How about just torrenting porns and storing them in a sekrit folder?

Re:To be more specific (4, Insightful)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205249)

Maybe you don't want your wife and kids to have porn urls popping up on the browser

Maybe if you're married & have children you shouldn't be looking at porn, then you wouldn't have that problem...

Hah, are you kidding me!? I date girls that don't care if I look at porn because they like it too, and I'm not gonna marry anyone so prudish that she cares, because it's just porn! My only concern would be my kids finding it, but really I'd just have my own user account or my own computer so it wouldn't be a big deal.

You seriously are ridiculous if you think that being married means you can't enjoy porn, with or without your wife.
-Taylor

Re:To be more specific (0, Troll)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205379)

Hah, are you kidding me!? I date girls that don't care if I look at porn because they like it too, and I'm not gonna marry anyone so prudish that she cares, because it's just porn! My only concern would be my kids finding it, but really I'd just have my own user account or my own computer so it wouldn't be a big deal.

The original poster was concerned about their wife and kids seeing their porn links. All I said is that if you don't want them seeing your porn collection, maybe you shouldn't look at porn. I didn't make a judgmental statement, simply a logical one. Clearly, they have a different concern than you do, so it wouldn't be an issue for you.

Re:To be more specific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205153)

Perhaps multiple user profiles/accounts? I assume that my history has nothing to do with my wife or co-worker's browser bars. This only matters if I let someone I don't trust fully use my account/profile which is a bad idea for reasons entirely separate from whether they can see my porn.

Re:To be more specific (2, Insightful)

evilkasper (1292798) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205043)

Or to a wife or Girlfriend....

Re:To be more specific (4, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205181)

forget porn, the last thing I need is my boss over my shoulder instructing me to type in a link and my prevalent searches of hot jobs, career builder and our competitor sites career section to pop up.

Umm .... (4, Insightful)

krou (1027572) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204933)

Then making it a configurable option: Enable/disable. Or am I missing something?

Re:Umm .... (0)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204955)

Or these porn-surfers could be less lazy and simply memorize their porn URLs. It can't be that hard.

Re:Umm .... (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205105)

It's not. ;)

But it wouldn't do any good, since it searches against your history. Unless you constantly clear your history, that is...

Re:Umm .... (1)

N3Roaster (888781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205427)

Separate user account for porn browsing. Problem solved.

Re:Umm .... (3, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205127)

It can't be that hard.

That depends on the sites you go to doesn't it? If your fetishes lie with something easy to spell and remember (grannysex) then it's probably easy to memorize the urls. If they lie with something harder to spell (bukkake, yes I had to look it up) or a strange combination of fetishes (bukkaking russian granny foot sex hairy gang bangs) they might be a little bit harder to memorize ;)

URLs, please (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205225)

(bukkaking russian granny foot sex hairy gang bangs)

Pics, or it didn't happen

Re:Umm .... (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205301)

(bukkake, yes I had to look it up)

What's a Buck Cake?

Re:Umm .... (3, Funny)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205255)

memorizing the porn URLs does NOT help.

Imagine discussing something with your boss, and saying "there's a good instructional video over on YouTube".
Boss: "Show me"

You key in "www.you...."

up pops:

http://www.youporn.com/ThreeHotChicksTakeItInTheAss [youporn.com]
http://www.youtube.com/ [youtube.com]

Yeah, this is a serious issue.

Re:Umm .... (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205293)

Or these porn-surfers could be less lazy and simply memorize their porn URLs. It can't be that hard.

They'd still have to type them in, and then when you start typing "bigblackcollanders.com", the wrong URL might come up in the suggestions...

Really the solution is a Chrome-like incognito mode, which I thought the new FF had, but i dunno.
-Taylor

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205397)

It can't be that hard.

Then why bother going to porn sites?

Re:Umm .... (0, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204991)

Or am I missing something?

You are. Open sores developers don't care what their users want. It's not "1337" if you actually fix things in response to user feedback on usability. That's the reason why there are so many plugins to restore the "awesome" bar back to something resembling the original URL bar.

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205059)

I didn't realize Microsoft Office with its awesome ribbons was open source.

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205121)

Frustrating for you then, that despite the ribbon interface people are still willing to pay for MS Office for the pleasure of not having to use any of several free alternatives with non ribbon interfaces.

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205079)

You are. Open sores developers don't care what their users want. It's not "1337" if you actually fix things in response to user feedback on usability. That's the reason why there are so many plugins to restore the "awesome" bar back to something resembling the original URL bar.

Are those plugins not also made by "open sores developers"?

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205087)

Open sores developers

Yep...i think the pr0n industry has a few of those.

Re:Umm .... (2, Insightful)

Svenne (117693) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205091)

And are those plugins proprietary closed source binary blobs?

Re:Umm .... (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205109)

Wow, way to troll.

I'm quite certain the reason why so many people use Firefox instead of the browser that came with their OS is because it does in fact do what they want it to do, making your argument completely bunk.

That said, if you're going to use cute monikers like 'open sores', why don't you bother explaining what ground you have to insult developers that give their product away in a form that you can change any way you like after getting it. There's nothing stopping even Microsoft from changing a few lines in Firefox and re-releasing it to their own customers without this URL bar feature.

Re:Umm .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205061)

Exactly, add a checkbox to the folders' properties dialog that says "Include in OmniBar suggestions." That way, anything added to that folder won't show up.

Of course, searching for porn bookmarks can sometimes be useful, too, so maybe a better option would be to only allow the folder to be searched in private browsing mode, but not in regular mode.

Re:Umm .... (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205273)

What you're missing is that the FF developers think they know better than you. Personally, I hate the "awesomebar" because it's slow. If I have to wait for an auto complete function to catch up with my typing, something is very wrong. Auto complete should always be faster than manual entry.

Re:Umm .... (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205289)

They did in 3.5, that's part of the story, at least in the blog posts I read. This story was an example of how user feedback from 2.0 users who couldn't upgrade was used to improve 3.0 for 3.5.

Re:Umm .... (4, Informative)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205429)

Technically, it is configurable (about:config has a property that disables the bookmark searching), just not with a neat radio button.

Easy to find with a little googling, as well. I'd think that anyone trying to "hide" bookmarks in this way would have already figured it out.

Scary (4, Insightful)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204949)

It's a scary thing when what you think is gone and hidden can suddenly be dredged up by accident at inopportune times. Same goes for files recovered from harddrives after deletion. Already, google finds those embarrassing photos from university days you thought were behind you.

As time goes on, will we learn to be more circumspect, or will society change to accept that people are not perfect?

Re:Scary (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204997)

We'll learn to accept that the people who matter aren't perfect(indeed, we're pretty good at that already). For the little people, though, no mercy.

Re:Scary (0, Troll)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205437)

People will try and get the government to take of it so they bear no personal responsibility. Just like they've been trying to do for the past decade with things like Social Security or health care.

Wait...what? There's PORN on the Internet? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29204953)

Why didn't someone tell me about this sooner? I wouldn't have wasted all this time on Slashdot, Digg, and Fark.

Opt out? (1)

drunken_boxer777 (985820) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204965)

It would be great if there were a method to 'opt out' certain websites so that they don't come up when searching against history and bookmarks. If people go through the trouble to hid bookmarks deep into sub-sub-directories, I think they'll take the two minutes to unclick those from a long list of what is searched.

Re:Opt out? (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205103)

It would be great if there were a method to 'opt out' certain websites so that they don't come up when searching against history and bookmarks. If people go through the trouble to hid bookmarks deep into sub-sub-directories, I think they'll take the two minutes to unclick those from a long list of what is searched.

Better option: Ignored directories. You make a recursive option clickable on the directory, everything in it is ignored, the peasants rejoice.

Re:Opt out? (2, Funny)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205213)

Or even better, hum, opt-out? What if I reaaaally don't want the feature?

      -dZ.

Porn mode (1)

buggy_throwback (259436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204967)

Porn mode doesn't have it's own set of bookmarks though does it? So what FF really needs is some optional password when entering porn mode that refreshes all the porn bookmarks. That's the way to go.

Re:Porn mode (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205413)

what FF really needs is some optional password when entering porn mode that refreshes all the porn bookmarks.

Don't you mean OPENS all the porn bookmarks?

CLEAR PRIVATE DATA? (1, Redundant)

A. B3ttik (1344591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204989)

Seriously, that's what TOOLS>CLEAR PRIVATE DATA is for.

I'm sure some of you /.'ers are going to tell me that unless I use TrueDelete, encrypt my entire harddrive, have a backup button to overwrite everything with zeros, keep a giant electromagnet on hand, and keep my drive rigged with thermite charges that my data will never be _truly_ safe... but CLEAR HISTORY is enough for me to feel safe that my curious little sister doesn't accidentally stumble upon something I don't feel like explaining.

Re:CLEAR PRIVATE DATA? (2, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205019)

Did you even bother to read the summary? This is about the awesome bar going into your bookmarks and then adding those URLs in as suggested site to go to. This has nothing to do with clearing your history or cookies or anything else.

Re:CLEAR PRIVATE DATA? (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205211)

Perhaps bookmarks need an "avoid awesomebar" flag?

CLEAR PRIVATE DATA DOES NOT WORK. (2, Interesting)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205283)

The problem is that Clear Private Data does not work.

I remember when I first upgraded to FF3, and was shocked to find that when I "cleared private data" and then clicked on the URL drop-down there were still all the web sites I had visited.

The "Awesome bar" does not get cleared out!

I had to install some plug-in to restore that functionality.

But Firefox is so wank-friendly! (1)

Drunken Buddhist (467947) | more than 4 years ago | (#29204999)

So what you're saying is that you all don't clear your private data after you're done? I mean, the last version of FF was the most porn-friendly yet, letting you clear back the last hour only if you wanted.

Re:But Firefox is so wank-friendly! (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205039)

No, that's not what they are saying:

Mozilla's research found that the number one reason for not upgrading was the new location bar, and the fact that it delved into people's bookmark collections to suggest sites as they typed .

Make sure to read the bolded portion a few times until it sinks in.

Re:But Firefox is so wank-friendly! (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205195)

Now that I didn't realise existed. I always knew you could clear history etc, but not the last x hours. That's a cool feature (and not just for porn) but anything I might browse around for that I'm not going to be interested in having suggested to me ever again - at the moment its a new property to rent, I don't want the old links coming up everytime I type the url.

That feature should be emphasised more, much more than porn mode (which would be useful if it allowed a set of history, passwords, bookmarks to be kept in the 'secure' zone)(eg my bank website that I do keep my userid stored in, but would prefer to only have it accessible in porn mode, but don't really want to have to remember the url everytime).

Re:But Firefox is so wank-friendly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205275)

Come, on... if you're not going to read the fucking article, at least read the fucking summary.

History is very important (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205003)

Users need to be reassured that private mode will not send addresses to remote sites and if it does, WHY?
Favourites made in private mode could be 'marked' as private and no suggestions made.

I used to get complaints from friends and family after erasing the browser history and temporary files to clean out junk. They don't see it like a volatile history like I do, I use mine but only if I see it. People I know use it as a primary way of getting to websites!

stupid kids (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205017)

If my son ever bothered to look under folder Dads/Homework/Math he might learn a few things. :-)

Oh... umm... I didn't know that... (1)

Derekloffin (741455) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205021)

*quickly goes off to tweak a few things*

HistoryBlock (3, Informative)

ForexCoder (1208982) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205025)

History Block [mozilla.org] fixes this problem very nicely. It let's you setup a block list of urls that should not appear in the history.

Of course... (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205237)

One could infer that the presence of that elective addon and the fact it has hashes defined means the person has stuff to hide. In some legal situations, that would be sufficient, but generally the worry that is supposed to address is friends and family...

Some things never changed (4, Interesting)

istartedi (132515) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205027)

When I was in tech support 10 years ago, "How do I get rid of things in the drop-down?" was a common Netscape support question.

Some of them were very cool and didn't say why they wanted to get rid of it. Some said "I accidently hit this link". I think I may have had one or two guys who were honest about it during my entire time there.

Re:Some things never changed (3, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205167)

10 years ago [...] Some said "I accidently
hit this link".

That was before pop-up blockers, IIRC, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt there :)

Re:Some things never changed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205307)

Like the other posters said, accidents do happen. Around the time you mention I kept forgetting that usgs.com was a porn website. I finally blocked it in my host file.

Here's a clue... (3, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205031)

What's the ranking of the question "How do I get rid of the Awsomebar" on various forums?

Pretty high, I bet.

about:config (3, Informative)

BassMan449 (1356143) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205041)

It is configurable, albeit not through the options dialog. In about:config browser.urlbar.maxRichResults = 1 or 0 1 for firefox 2 style, 0 for no search browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped = true That will turn it off, if it really bothers you

Re:about:config (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205209)

It is configurable, albeit not through the options dialog. In about:config browser.urlbar.maxRichResults = 1 or 0 1 for firefox 2 style, 0 for no search browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped = true That will turn it off, if it really bothers you

Ok, yeah and I bet a whole bunch of slashdotters have done this... But how damned difficult is it to make a drop down box so that 'normal' people can do it? I don't think that dropping into the command line (which is really what about:config is) is a quality approach to take for a bit of software aimed at non technical folks. Sure, leave about:config in (I like it, I also like terminal) but it shouldn't be needed for 'routine' things.

Re:about:config (5, Informative)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205341)

You need to use about:config for 3.0, but in 3.5 they included the option to disable location bar searching in options... that's the whole point of this story, Mozilla took user feedback based on users who wouldn't upgrade to fix the issues they had with 3.0.

It's very easy to find now, under Privacy in Options at the bottom.

Two profiles, problem solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205049)

And then start the sleazy one from the command line only Alternatively, don't be surfin porn at work!

Seperate User for pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205085)

Just set up a separate user for pr0n. Then you can have an entirely separate set of bookmarks.

Changing autocomplete behavior using about:config (4, Informative)

JacobSteelsmith (911307) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205089)

From http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disabling_autocomplete_-_Firefox [mozillazine.org] To prevent entries from History or bookmarked items from appearing but show those that you have specifically typed into the Location Bar (url bar), use about:config to toggle browser.urlbar.matchonlytyped to true. To completely disable the Location Bar autocomplete function in Firefox 3, modify the preference browser.urlbar.maxRichResults to 0 (zero). [1]

Open Source Software FTW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205097)

Just remove the feature if you don't like it.

Multiple profiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205107)

This is what multiple profiles is for. I use it at home so if I'm doing, uh, "research", the kids don't see it in the awesome bar when I'm helping with homework or whatever. You can always start a new profile and then delete it if you need to.

Duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205119)

Big surprise; my friends visits porntube.com too...

Simple Answer (5, Insightful)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205123)

Use different browsers for different purposes.

For example, use Google Chrome for your porn browsing, and then Firefox for your legit browsing.

In other words... Don't cross the streams!!

Re:Simple Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205243)

Don't cross the streams!!

It would be bad.

Re:Simple Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205277)

Opera is my pr0n, /b/, other things that would disturb my family browser of choice. It works well with an astounding number of tabs open, and I really like the ability to flexibly constrain images to the browser size or not.

And if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go click the "Post Anonymously" checkbox...

More porn (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205131)

I just realized.

Surely the people searching for porn using your web browser will be happy to see suggestions for porn you already have?

Thanks dad!

Re:More porn (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205191)

I would personally prefer not to know that my relative was surfing for goatse/tubgirl/2girls1cup/etc... People have some scary proclivities when it comes to sex.

Re:More porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205223)

Unless they're into some freaky stuff.

Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar again. (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205145)

When we expanded the capabilities of the location bar to search against all history and bookmarks in Firefox 3, a lot of people contacted us to say that they had certain bookmarks they didn't really want to have displayed,

Translation: People who typed "en." to bring up the last few times they'd visited en.wikipedia.org, "fi" to bring up the last few times they'd visited "finance.google.com", or "fa" for either "fark.com" or "failblog.org", were sick and tired of having to deal with "English, ASCII, and Unicode", "How to manage a thousand Files of data", and "The Awfulbar is a Failure because it mixes URLs, "TITLE" fields in bookmarks and TITLE headers all into one giant mishmash of UI hell."

It's got nothing to do with pr0n, it's got everything to do with the fact that some people want a URL bar to act as a Bar with URLs, and the Firefox Design Team wants the "Location" bar to deal with "everything you ever visited, ever, with ever-changing menus".

What's the first thing experienced Windows users do when they sit down in front of a new machine? They turn off the "Disable infrequently-used menu options" option in the Start Menu, and again in all of the MS Office apps.

Software that automatically changes menus or frequently-used options around as a "favor" to the user was bad UI practice five years ago in Windows and Office, and it's bad UI practice today in Firefox. Unfortunately, it's such a clever bad idea that it'll never go away.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205299)

Software that automatically changes menus or frequently-used options around as a "favor" to the user was bad UI practice five years ago in Windows and Office, and it's bad UI practice today in Firefox. Unfortunately, it's such a clever bad idea that it'll never go away.

That's not true at all... at least for me personally. I can say for certain that in Google Chrome, I only ever type in en to get to wikipedia, g to get to gmail, s to get to slashdot, fa for fark, fai for failblog, fac for facebook, etc. I find this feature highly useful, and then when I click "New Tab," I find the information presented there interesting. In Chrome, there are little boxes that have previews of the sites you frequent most, and I am finding that those rankings change place occasionally. I don't use that page to determine what site to visit, but it's interesting to me to see the rankings change month-to-month.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205317)

To be fair, even having an address bar where you see and type in URLs is totally against the way the web was designed and isn't very usable. I should be able to type 'wikipedia red dwarf' to get to that Red Dwarf page on wikipedia, not remember en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dwarf.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205335)

actually, when I use the location bar, en brings up en.wikipedia as the first few entries, while I am sure that I have several bookmarks in my few thousand that have "en" within them.

The location bar seems to heavily weight sites that have been visited in the "recent" past, and also heavily weights items in the list that are selected, as opposed to those that are routinely ignored.

I love it and hope that the vocal minority (okay, I have no proof it's a minority) don't have it pulled in the future.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (1)

Lundse (1036754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205349)

Normally, I would agree that changing around menus and second-guessing the user mostly leads to annoyance and little else.

However, when it comes to Firefox' location bar, I just don't see the problem. In order to get rid of the "faulty hits", you just keep typing what you were already typing, for a few more characters. I don't find that very annoying, and I love being able to find stuff without remembering anything specific about the URL and just something about it, or the page.

That said, I would love some more configuration options, such as whether to weigh time-since-last-visit, frequency of visit, keywords, or whatever the most.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (1)

hxnwix (652290) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205411)

People who typed "en." to bring up the last few times they'd visited en.wikipedia.org, "fi" to bring up the last few times they'd visited "finance.google.com", or "fa" for either "fark.com" or "failblog.org", ... Firefox Design Team wants the "Location" bar to deal with "everything you ever visited, ever, with ever-changing menus".

If the location bar only scanned URL strings, you'd still have the problem of changing menus. Whenever you visit a site beginning with the same text as a previously visited site, the suggestion menu would change.

Re:Nothing to do with Porn, it's the Awfulbar agai (1)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205419)

Well I'm an experienced computer user (Mac user mostly), and I love the way the firefox bar works.

I now never look through my bookmarks folders, I just start typing words I know are in there, and find them ASAP.

Maybe that's because I'm used to similar cool search functionality in Spotlight and every other Mac app that ties into it seamlessly.

Another work around: (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205247)

Use a different browser for pr0n.

Use FF for everything but pr0n, then when you want to go see nekkid people, fire up opera or camino or safari or whatever.

RS

Re:Another work around: (1)

NervousNerd (1190935) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205387)

I know that Opera has an "awesome bar" implementation. I also believe that Safari has an "awesome bar"-ish implementation.

Re:Another work around: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205409)

Or use a portable version of Firefox for the pr0n (bonus points if you stuff it in a TrueCrypt volume!) so that you can still have some useful Firefox extensions running.

Wait, are you telling me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205261)

there's porn on the internet?!

Two browsers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205291)

All those nice bits of user-interface candy are nice to have. So I keep two browsers on my system (an iMac).

Safari is on the launch bar and in the usual place and is the "main" browser. Firefox.app is in an unusual place (so that it will not get launched by mistake) and is used only for porn. Also, any porn I save from the internet goes onto a disk image that is normally left unmounted. I suppose I could encrypt that, but can't really be bothered.

So far (~5 years) this approach has worked very well.

duhguys tag (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205321)

Too bad I can't mod tags. +1 nailedit

Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29205325)

Everyone knows that you better use a different user profile with pornzilla [squarefree.com] installed into it for that.

Profile manager is your friend (2, Informative)

atarione (601740) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205331)

you can use the profile manger to make a "special" (/cough pron) profile then switch to that for your "special" browsing needs then swtich back to you wife/boss/kid ..etc safe profile when you are ummm done..... YOU SICK BASTARD =p

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager [mozillazine.org]

Simple Fix (2, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205439)

Tag all porn bookmarks as "xxx Bookmark Name" instead of "Bookmark Name". ("XXX" can literally be "XXX"!)

Write a plugin that only shows those bookmarks in the awesome bar if you type in XXX first.

Also restrict the history results in the awesome bar to only show hits from a given domain if it is NOT in an xxx-tagged bookmark.

You get to hide your bookmarks and history from anyone who isn't specifically looking for it.
You get to use the awesome bar to access your stuff.

It's not about hiding your shit well, it's about making sure it doesn't pop up automagically.

The only other solution is to move onto having profiles for browsers.
Open FF, use the net.
Want your bookmarks and history and cool stuff?
Log in to Firefox instead of using the open account.

URL Shorteners (1)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 4 years ago | (#29205441)

Use a URL shortening service to create URLs to point to your favorite websites you don't want others to see, and bookmark the shortened version.

Then, give the bookmark name itself something non-incriminating. Like just a set of initials for the website name.

These two methods will prevent anything incriminating from your bookmarks showing up when someone starts typing something in the address bar.

This won't help for any pages in your history, but fortunately that parts easy. Judicious use of "Clear Private Data" will take care of that.

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