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Nokia Releases Linux Handset

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the where's-my-root-prompt dept.

Cellphones 484

galaxy writes "Nokia releases their first Linux mobile handset, the N900 The handset is based on the latest release of Maemo, the Nokia mobile Linux platform, and includes e.g. GSM and 3G access (with HSPA, giving datarates of up to 10Mbps downlink and 2Mbps uplink on suitable networks), WLAN, Bluetooth, camera, assisted GPS and, most importantly, a touchscreen complemented by a hardware QWERTY under a slider. The beast is powered by an ARM Cortex-A8 processor at 600 MHz, has PowerVR SGX with OpenGL ES 2.0 support, 32GB internal memory etc."

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Still Prefer iPhone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217295)

I like buttsecks more than I like Linux.

If you want to find a gay bath house in San Francisco, there's an app for that.

Of course, if you are carrying an iPhone, all you have to do is bend over and you will have a throbbing male cock in your rectum faster than you can say, "I have AIDS"

how much is it? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217297)

specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay

Re:how much is it? (5, Informative)

Plug (14127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217367)

500, in October. [engadget.com] .

That works out to $712 USD as of this post (click for a more up-to-date rate [xe.com] ), but that will probably be European style - unlocked and with no contract.

It will be up to carriers in countries like the US to decide how much to subsidise the phone, over what contract term.

Re:how much is it? (1)

Plug (14127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217441)

My apologies, Slashdot ate my euro symbol. That's 500 euro.

Re:how much is it? (3, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217803)

€ symbol is available by HTML entity: €

If you just poked it in by keyboard, I think slashcode will eat it.

Why? Cuz it's slashcode.

Re:how much is it? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217807)

Of course it's "Slashdot ate my euro symbol" and not "I failed to use preview."

Re:how much is it? (4, Informative)

Hellasboy (120979) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217515)

It's headed for T-Mobile. It cleared all the FCC requirements a few weeks ago and the specs list the 1700/2100 band that T-Mobie USA uses.

Re:how much is it? (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217741)

I can only say: Ouch!

It will translate into a fortune with my country's taxes.

Re:how much is it? (1)

jroesner (200756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217381)

Available in select markets in October for about $710 according to Phonescoop. I'm sure that's an unsubsidized price.

Re:how much is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217763)

Way too expensive. I won't buy it and neither will anyone I know or work with.

Re:how much is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217465)

Except the $299 isn't the iphone price, the list price here is 650 â (16GB iPhone 3G S).

The N810 was around 300Ââ at launch so one might guess that the price is 300-600 â.

Re:how much is it? (4, Informative)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217563)

specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay

How are these specs better then the iPhone 3GS? The 3GS contains:

  • CPU: ARM Cortex-A8 running at 600 MHz (same as N900)
  • Memory: 256 MB (same as N900)
  • GPU: PowerVR SGX (same as N900
  • Max Internal flash: 32 GB (same as N900)

Aside from the hardware keyboard, I'm not seeing how it's better hardware-wise.

Re:how much is it? (5, Funny)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217623)

You missed the part where it said "it runs Linux". At that point whatever stats it has you multiply by 911 to get the real stats. If comparing to the iPhone, you multiply by 911 *twice* to get the comparison stats.

Act, Gary, act.

Re:how much is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217895)

You missed the part where it said "it runs Linux"

Hate to break it to you, but a lot of people on this site enjoy BSD as much as Linux, as it is a much more free (as in speech) OS. That is what the iPhone is running.

Of course, I fully admit it is BSD *from apple* which will bias most everyone on this site one way or the other.

Re:how much is it? (3, Interesting)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217761)

much better camera and 16GB removable SD cards are supported in addition to the internal memory

i have an iphone 3GS 32GB and if this thing is good in 2 years i'll trade my iphone for it. I like the iphone but it has enough problems for a competitor to come in and take market share.

My BB Curve has much better battery life than my iphone when comparing push email
Apple screwed up contacts importation and allows double and triple contact creation. RIM is better at this.
Apple seems to have taken a cue from Microsoft and if you read the forums, the magic fix is to restore as a new phone. Just like reinstalling Windows.

I like the iPhone mostly for it's flexibility. i have 150 apps on mine which take up over 1GB of space. with RIM's ancient OS it's impossible to do this. The Pre is still in beta but is looking very promising.

even though I'm an MCSE, Microsoft is dead in the mobile space. I don't even think they care. They licensed Active Sync to Apple, Palm and Google but you can't access MS Exchange from most WinMo phones or the Zune.

2 Years? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217843)

I would think that by then both of these things will have been thoroughly outclassed.

The US is funny - most europeans (with contracts) get a new phone every year, though the companies are trying to elongate that at the moment.

Re:how much is it? (1)

Palmateer (1533975) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217973)

They may be dead in terms of units delivered but certainly not in the number or variety of useful applications available. I have only used HTC WinMo phones with 6.1 Standard and Professional. One of the most compelling features was the seamless Exchange email connectivity. Plus the Office Communicator Mobile and RDP clients. Battery life leaves something to be desired but my CDMA HTC Touch is quite small and light. I wouldn't recommend it for the uninitiated as the UI isn't as friendly as say an iPhone, but the versatility is unmatched in my opinion.

Re:how much is it? (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217777)

It's pretty close to the GS, but it's ahead of the earlier ones. One obvious example is the GPU which, prior to the GS, only supported OpenGL 1.1 (i.e. no shaders). One thing I found interesting was:

Built-in FM transmitter

Given that these are illegal in much of the world (although the relevant laws are not enforced for low-power transmitters), I wonder if this will limit adoption.

Re:how much is it? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217857)

Wow, a brand new phone announced by Nokia, not yet even available in stores, has a better GPU than a two year old Apple phone? Wow, compelling argument.

Re:how much is it? (5, Informative)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217793)

specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay

How are these specs better then the iPhone 3GS? The 3GS contains:

  • CPU: ARM Cortex-A8 running at 600 MHz (same as N900)
  • Memory: 256 MB (same as N900)
  • GPU: PowerVR SGX (same as N900
  • Max Internal flash: 32 GB (same as N900)

Aside from the hardware keyboard, I'm not seeing how it's better hardware-wise.

Up to 1 GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)
Data transfers over a cellular network 10/2Mbps
Removable battery
Wide aspect ratio 16:9 (WVGA)
Video recording file format: .mp4; codec: MPEG-4
Video recording at up to 848x480 pixels (WVGA) and up to 25fps
Removable battery
Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263
5 MP camera with Carl Zeiss lens and LED flash
3D graphics accelerator with OpenGL ES 2.0 support
Removable battery
32 GB internal storage
Expandable to up to 48 GB with external microSD card
Removable battery
800x480 resolution screen
Removable battery

There's more, but I'm tiered of copying and pasting. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is nice, but these specs are better as far as I know (not sure about the widescreen). Oh, and there's a Removable battery

Re:how much is it? (5, Funny)

dissy (172727) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217919)

I think you forgot the most important new feature.

It has a removable battery!

Re:how much is it? (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217941)

specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay

How are these specs better then the iPhone 3GS? The 3GS contains:

  • CPU: ARM Cortex-A8 running at 600 MHz (same as N900)
  • Memory: 256 MB (same as N900)
  • GPU: PowerVR SGX (same as N900
  • Max Internal flash: 32 GB (same as N900)

Aside from the hardware keyboard, I'm not seeing how it's better hardware-wise.

Up to 1 GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory) Data transfers over a cellular network 10/2Mbps Removable battery Wide aspect ratio 16:9 (WVGA) Video recording file format: .mp4; codec: MPEG-4 Video recording at up to 848x480 pixels (WVGA) and up to 25fps Removable battery Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263 5 MP camera with Carl Zeiss lens and LED flash 3D graphics accelerator with OpenGL ES 2.0 support Removable battery 32 GB internal storage Expandable to up to 48 GB with external microSD card Removable battery 800x480 resolution screen Removable battery

There's more, but I'm tiered of copying and pasting. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is nice, but these specs are better as far as I know (not sure about the widescreen). Oh, and there's a Removable battery

Is that a webcam in the front? I hope so, Skype calls would be weird otherwise.

Oh, and do they send an extra stylus? :P

Re:how much is it? (4, Informative)

twoboxen (1111241) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217975)

FM transmitter, micro-USB.

Re:how much is it? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29218021)

> Removable battery

That does it for me - I'm getting the iPhone!

Re:how much is it? (3, Insightful)

jfanning (35979) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217859)

Much, much higher resolution screen, 800x480.

Re:how much is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217913)

Yes, but will it run Linux?

Releases? (1, Troll)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217303)

When? Coming soon is not releasing... yet.

WiFi? (-1, Troll)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217361)

How can any new smart phones not come with Wifi?

Re:WiFi? (1)

Plug (14127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217405)

It's a mobile internet device that does telephony, not a phone. Phone capability is quite low on their feature list! And yes, it supports wifi..

Too lazy? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217413)

FTFA:

* 3.5G and WLAN connectivity
        * Quadband GSM with GPRS and EDGE
        * Data transfers over a cellular network 10/2Mbps
* Data transfers over Wi-Fi 54Mbps
        * Flash 9.4 support
        * Full-screen browsing

Dumbass.

Re:WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217429)

WLAN == WiFi

Re:WiFi? (2, Informative)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217461)

RTFA, It does.

Re:WiFi? (1)

Clandestine_Blaze (1019274) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217477)

I could be wrong, but I think it has Wi-Fi. Looking at the link provided by the summary:

For the first time get high-speed broadband that's as fast as an internet connection at home. Enjoy rich interactive content across the web and view pages the way they should be seen with stunning full-screen browsing.

        * 3.5G and WLAN connectivity
        * Quadband GSM with GPRS and EDGE
        * Data transfers over a cellular network 10/2Mbps
      * Data transfers over Wi-Fi 54Mbps
        * Flash 9.4 support
        * Full-screen browsing

Yeah, at such a high price range, it better have Wi-Fi! :-)

Re:WiFi: check (1)

Robb (3753) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217483)

It has wifi, just read the link

Re:WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217485)

"Data transfers over Wi-Fi 54Mbps"

Re:WiFi? (3, Informative)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217487)

It does. "WLAN" - from the site:

Data network: GPRS class A, multislot class 32, maximum speed 107/64.2 kbps (DL/UL) EDGE class A, multislot class 32, maximum speed 296/177.6 kbps (DL/UL) WCDMA 900/1700/2100. Maximum speed PS 384/384 kbps (DL/UL) HSPA 900/1700/2100. Maximum speed PS 10/2 Mbps (DL/UL) WLAN IEEE 802.11b/g

Re:WiFi? (1)

Froze (398171) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217509)

(me clicks 'see all specifications') and poof... Right at the end of data network I see 'WLAN IEEE 802.11b/g' OK, I am exhausted, will quit posting now.

Impressive hardware (0, Troll)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217395)

Their website seem to be running on one of those phones. From fully responsive to slashdotted in 10 secs.

Re:Impressive hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217757)

If the web server on the phone can't handle a slashdotting then it's not the phone for me.

Re:Impressive hardware (1)

jfanning (35979) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217909)

Yep, 1 million hits in 50 minutes will tend to do that.

Design?! (2, Funny)

DaleCooper82 (860396) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217401)

But looking at the phone picture, the design is not very much attractive, is it? Just scroll to top of the page [slashdot.org]

- it is right there above Linux Penguin.

This is Slashdot, we are not supposed to click on TFA link to see more details....

Sigh (1, Funny)

epiphani (254981) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217455)

32GB internal memory etc.

If it has 32GB of internal memory, bend me over and call me nancy.

memory != storage. Please don't do that.

Re:Sigh (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217653)

Your right, 256MB memory with 768MB virtual. It as 32GB of internal storage. You editors should know better.

Re:Sigh (2, Insightful)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217675)

Dearest Nancy -

It uses flash memory as it's storage method. Call it memory or storage, whichever you prefer, & it doesn't matter, since it's both...

FTFW:

Mass memory

* 32 GB internal storage
* Store up to 7000 MP3 songs or 40 hours of high-quality video
* Up to 16 GB of additional storage with an external microSD card

Re:Sigh (1)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217707)

Re: above, in my writing - 'method' should be 'medium'. Or perhaps 'media'. You pick, I don't care. ;)

Re:Sigh (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217785)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_(computers)

FTL: "Computer data storage, often called storage or memory, refers to computer components, devices, and recording media that retain digital data used for computing for some interval of time."

elitist != superior. Please don't do that.

Re:Sigh (1)

randallman (605329) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217839)

Guess you missed that episode of IT Crowd.

Jokes aside, this is an example of the poor terminology used in the computer systems field. Storage is memory so that's OK, but can be confused depending on its context. I think the relevant difference is persistent vs. volatile memory; so maybe we should use terms such as P-MEM AND V-MEM. It's about time we came up with some proper terms. I'm tired of hearing things like "Just plug the jump drive into the front of the CPU."

BTW, I paid $400 for my N800 when it came out and would pay between $600-$800 for this since it's also a good still/video camera, gps and phone.

Re:Sigh (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218053)

I'm tired of hearing things like [...] it's a [...] gps

Right.

T-Mobile's 3G (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217511)

I don't suppose there's any chance in getting this phone in a flavor that supports TMobile's 3G network?

Re:T-Mobile's 3G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217739)

Another dumbass that doesn't bother reading the tech specs [nokia.com] :

Operating frequency

        * Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
        * WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz

Yes, it will work on T-Mobile or AT&T.

Re:T-Mobile's 3G (4, Insightful)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218023)

"Another dumbass that doesn't bother reading the tech specs [nokia.com]:"

Whoa, some people don't *understand* those tech specs. Seeing "* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" doesn't necessarily make it obvious to people who aren't familiar with which signaling standards and frequencies a given carrier uses.

I think it's a little harsh to calls omeone a "dumbass" just because they don't understand the particulars of cell phone networks. Granted, this is /. so you hope most of the readers understand, but, even though someone is a 'nerd' doesn't make them knowledgeable iin *every* area of technology. They might know more than you ever will about astronomy, or quantum physics, or computer programming, and not know anything about cell networks.

Sure, but... (3, Funny)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217539)

Sure, but does it run Lin... oh. Nevermind.

Re:Sure, but... (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217861)

Sure, but does it run Lin... oh. Nevermind.

I was literally asking the same question. Sure, I know the phone is Linux based, but will I be able to sync it up with Ubuntu desktop?

Oh, go ahead (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217863)

Go ahead and ask. This is /. after all. We *like* to post questions here which would be answered by reading the headline, article summary, or first paragraph of the linked to article.

Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (5, Interesting)

popo (107611) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217543)

The iPhone was a 'fail' for me for several reasons, but most of all:

1) No real keyboard.
(The N900 has a pull out keyboard)

2) No support for Flash
(The N900 has Flash support)

3) No real multitasking
(The N900 has multitasking)

4) Skype
(The N900 has Skype)

Add the fact that this baby runs Linux, and I'm 100% sold. This has huge promise.

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217625)

...except that nokia is still one of those 'do evil' companies.

or, has that changed? they are still on my do-not-buy list, same as apple.

until they stop wanting to spy on their own employees and threatening to 'leave the country', they are still on my shit list.

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (3, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217677)

supporting article: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/02/nokia-to-finland-let-us-spy-here-or-were-going-elsewhere.ars [arstechnica.com]

I don't trust nokia. why would you?

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217811)

I don't trust Apple, why would you? ;)

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217965)

So what cell phone/provider do you currently have?

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (0)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218071)

So what cell phone/provider do you currently have?

none, actually.

people got by JUST FINE without being tied to a cellphone. for quite a long time.

I like not being reachable 'all the time'. plus, I like not having my geo location tracked, all the time.

just too much privacy issues involved in cellphones these days. the contracts are obnoxious, the text fees (some vendors won't let you avoid paying for INCOMING texts! ie, spam) are annoying and most people really don't NEED to have a phone 'on them'.

now, get off my lawn.

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217637)

And what's your problem with Android then?

I'm not saying I prefer Android, I was just wondering if you considered it.

Personally I don't care for Android because it's so Javafied. I really truly detest Java.

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217663)

I'm in your camp, however this is too good to be true.

SOMETHING is amiss. There's a heavy negative attached to this thing somewhere, we just haven't heard about it yet.

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217795)

5) No removable batteries
(The N900 has removable batteries)

Skype? (2, Informative)

danaris (525051) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217827)

The iPhone does have Skype now, you know. True, it's only allowed to work over the 802.11 connection, not the cellular, but it's definitely there.

Dan Aris

Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217985)

Dude iPhone has skype iPhone can multitask and get used to the keyboard it's fast enough and google "jailbreak"

eom

DO WANT (5, Insightful)

Becausegodhasmademe (861067) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217551)

Open source? Check.

Looks stylish? Check.

Hardware built by reputable supplier? Check.

Did I mention it was open source?

I know what my next phone will be!

Re:DO WANT (-1, Troll)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217713)

...shaped like a 12" black cock, so you can glide it gently in and out of your ass in the comfort of your parents' basement? Check.

I know where your next phone is going!

Re:DO WANT (0, Offtopic)

capnkr (1153623) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217759)

OOPS! Forgot to hit that "Post Anonymously" checkbox, did we?

Re:DO WANT (-1, Troll)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217905)

Why post anonymously? There's something to be afraid of trolling an open source nancy boy?

Re:DO WANT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217921)

That troll had id less than 20K. Surprised by that.

Re:DO WANT (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217851)

Built by a corporation that supports wiretapping and sells wiretapping equipment to governments? Check.

Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. (4, Funny)

network23 (802733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217603)

 Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. Â

Re:Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217665)

Oh dear, another apple zealot that cannot handle the thought that there are other devices which other consumers prefer. When you grow up and have to live in the real world, you're going to be in a world of pain.

Positioned as a high end device - not a phone. (4, Informative)

Plug (14127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217607)

Look at the N900 feature list [nokia.com] - "Phone" is fourth down.

Maemo may power Nokia's high-end devices, but this is no reason to sound the death knell for Symbian. With regard to Nokia, they make a lot of phones that are not the N900, and do not cost 500 euro. There are also dozens of other companies supporting the Symbian Foundation [wikipedia.org] , including many other manufacturers like Samsung [samsungmobile.com] and Sony Ericsson [sonyericsson.com] .

Symbian^4 will use Qt as its UI layer [tamoggemon.com] , and Maemo is moving into a similar direction [maemo.org] (that's why Nokia bought Trolltech!) - targeting both platforms should be quite simple.

CDMA (2, Interesting)

ari_j (90255) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217641)

*snooze* Wake me when there's a CDMA phone worth getting. I live in a place with next to zero GSM service and absolutely zero 'home' GSM service. AT&T won't even let me get an iPhone with a number local to anywhere in my own state, for instance.

Re:CDMA (1)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217755)

What state do you live in? Hawaii or Alaska? Is there a lower 48 with AT&T coverage that bad?

Re:CDMA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217931)

Just 30 miles north of milwaukee WI their service sucks.

Nokia finally sees the limits of Symbian (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217649)

Symbian (from the famed Psion PDAs of the early 90's) can't be expected to evolve into the kind of operating system that competes with these new "smartphones" which are really computers with phone capabilities - iPhone, Pre, Android-based phones. Symbian is more a device controller than an O/S. It was designed for devices with very limited resources which is no longer the case. I'm glad Nokia has recognized that and has chosen a more powerful computer O/S on which to base their platform. I have an iPhone 3Gs, but I'm very happy that Apple has some tough competition because even though I may stay with the iPhone, it will only get better faster as Apple responds to the competition. I'm also happy that those who don't want iPhones have some worthy devices to choose from . Now, what worries me is Palm because the Pre is off to a good start, but is Palm big enough to sustain competition with giants like Apple and Nokia?

Re:Nokia finally sees the limits of Symbian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217937)

Symbian isn't the problem. Symbian is probably the most advanced mobile OS, but S60 that sits on top of it isn't so great.

S60's ability to innovate has been strangled by the shackles of staying backwards compatible.

where your root prompt is (5, Informative)

marnanel (98063) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217679)

from the where's-my-root-prompt dept.

$ sudo gainroot [wordpress.com]

There it is!

No native Vorbis support... (4, Interesting)

shtrom (1251560) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217727)

The spec says "Music playback file formats: .wav, .mp3, .AAC, .eAAC, .wma, .m4a"

Being Linux-based, I suppose it would not be too hard to hack it to support Ogg Vorbis. It's however rather annoying that such support is still not provided by default...

Re:No native Vorbis support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217911)

Fennec [mozilla.org] play Ogg Vorbis natively, and you may aswell use it as the default browser too :)

Re:No native Vorbis support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217961)

The n800 has Ogg Vorbis support by default. I would guess that the n900 would too.

Re:No native Vorbis support... (1)

b3d (525790) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217967)

My thoughts exactly! It's a Linux based phone for crying out loud. Why not support open codecs? Out of the box?!

I'm going to get an iRiver player just to support the fact that they support Vorbis formats.

Re:No native Vorbis support... (3, Informative)

rkhalloran (136467) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217999)

Given this looks like a major upgrade from the existing Nokia tablets, this link [maemo.org] might fill in the gap

No OGG Vorbis support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29217783)

Most media devices with music playback abilities do not have the function to play ogg (or flac for that matter). I have always wondered why. Isn't ogg relatively free to implement because it's GPL?

Re:No OGG Vorbis support (0)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217927)

Most media devices with music playback abilities do not have the function to play ogg (or flac for that matter). I have always wondered why. Isn't ogg relatively free to implement because it's GPL?

I am no expert, but I believe that OGG requires some sort of hardware to be able to play. Nothing specific to OGG, but something like a math coprocessor or something that simply isn't needed in mp3 players.

That said, my Centro plays oggs just fine with Aero Player.

Re:No OGG Vorbis support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29218039)

you are no expert. No extra processor is needed.

Re:No OGG Vorbis support (1)

b3d (525790) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217987)

iRiver seems to be the only vendor that consistently supports Vorbis formats. /.ers please correct me if there are others.

Supported Media Formats... (1)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217817)

I'm a bit surprised that "Maemo media player" does not list Ogg Vorbis or Theora as supported formats...

I assume there are add-on packages that do support them, but it seems like an odd omission for a Linux-based platform that's been around plenty long enough to have developed support for legally-free codecs.

(I still want one...)

Re:Supported Media Formats... (3, Interesting)

Bralkein (685733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217933)

Yeah, it's a bit poo, I have all my music CDs ripped into ogg myself. However, it uses GStreamer so just install the proper plugins and away you go, I guess. This really looks like the phone I've been waiting for, I'll just wait for a few reviews to come out to see if there are any glaring faults, then my money is theirs :-)

FM "Transmitter"? (1)

itomato (91092) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217887)

Connectivity

        * 3.5mm AV connector
        * TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable
        * Micro-USB connector, High-Speed USB 2.0
        * Bluetooth v2.1 including support for stereo headsets
        * Integrated FM transmitter
        * Integrated GPS with A-GPS

I'm sure they mean receiver, from the other pieces I've read, but I still wonder if they have low-wattage TX capability for hands-free calls, a'la iPod transmitter for use in the car, the john, or other places where an FM receiver and speakers are available.

Resolution (5, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217939)

No one here ever mentions resolution as a feature on phone screens, and they should. I have eyesight just good enough to pass the DMV tests without corrective lenses and that's sufficient for my old iPhone's 320x480 screen to be painful for me in comparison to the 640x480 screen on my new phone. I can read significantly smaller text, meaning I can see much larger chunks of real web pages, on the higher resolution screen.

The N900 described in TFA has an 800x480 resolution. That should get people very excited!

Thanks for obseleting my N97 (0, Flamebait)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217977)

I'd like to personally thank nokia for screwing me. I bought an N97 expecting it to be THIS phone. It was supposed to have a fresh Symbian with a lot of power and a solid software base. Instead it's a feature packed piece of hardware with neglected software, an inappropriate processor, and absolutely no future.

So now I'll have to sell it and pick up an N900 when (and if given the n97 took half a year from it's announchement) taking a massive loss on the N97. Again, thank you nokia for keeping me from making an informed decision.

N900 = N810 with GSM + smaller screen (4, Interesting)

Exp315 (851386) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217991)

This is the long-awaited phone incarnation of the N800/N810 Linux/Maemo tablets. It's similar to the N810 in having the slide-out keyboard, built-in GPS, and micro-SD slot. I've been using the N800 for the last 2 years, and while I like it as in internet tablet, I'm not sure I would like it so much as a phone. Some reasons: - The tablet is cheap and not tied to a contract, so possible to forgive many faults - Tbe tablet has a bigger screen (4.3" vs. 3.5"), which makes it more practical for browsing and ebooks - Lots of Maemo Linux software available, but mostly amateurish/undocumented/90%-complete quality - User interface is not nearly as smooth as iPhone, particularly the web browser - Most programs can't rotate, designed for landscape mode only

Dvorak? (1, Insightful)

FencingLion (1553981) | more than 4 years ago | (#29217995)

Qwerty only? You insensitive clods!

capacitive touchscreen? (1)

jbigboote (1544809) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218025)

I believe all previous touchscreen Nokia phones have featured resistive touchscreens. I hope this one is an exception.

Fixes gripes about n810 (3, Informative)

itomato (91092) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218035)

The n810 is great, except when you need to make a (non-skype) phone call.

The new keyboard looks good, although it will take me another 9 months to adjust to the new key layout.

The black plastic finish should take more of a beating (drops, in particular) compared to the metal finish of the current unit, but Man! It looks so thick! http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/23639-Nokia-N810-vs-N97-vs-Nokia-N900 [sizeasy.com]

The diplay appears to be the same, which is great, unless you're viewing through polarized lenses. The biggest complaint I have with the n810 display is the PDA-class GPU. The PowerVR chip should turn things around. Is it the same core as in iPhone?

Good to see the stand present on the rear.

Alert me when the price & demand drop so I can pick one up for $250.

I'll say this again (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218047)

I have both an N800 and an N810. I've recently been developing Maemo apps for them. I SO FREAKING WANT THIS PHONE but damn that's expensive. Still, I'll try to get one. Verizon can blow me.

Too thick... (1)

bdptcob (789266) | more than 4 years ago | (#29218061)

And that's not what she said in this instance. It's 19+mm while the iphone is less than 12.5mm. I'm really growing tired of my iphone for a multitude of reasons. I'd go for this (depending on battery life) but that's just too thick for my tastes.
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