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"Violent" Video Games To Be Banned In Venezuela

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the clearly-the-root-of-their-problems dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The country that has bought Sukhois, tanks and 100,000 AK-103's, is planning to build a manufacturing plant of Russian rifles, and oppresses peaceful marches has decided to ban 'violent' video games because they 'promote violence and can alter the behavior of children.' The new legislation in Venezuela says, 'The violence found in video games is translated into the real world.' This new law affects people who sell, 'use,' produce, import and distribute these games. Video games as a whole have been labeled as 'a consequence of savage capitalism' by PSUV (United Socialist Party of Venezuela), which is the political party led by Hugo Chavez. Days before this law was approved by the National Assembly, Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo and Trompo, and suggested that electronic toys like 'the Nintendo' be put aside because they promote 'egoism, individualism and violence.' Just today the AFP released a report showing Caracas as the second most violent city on the planet — even more violent than Baghdad. I guess all those violent gangs in Venezuela are addicted to video games."

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Individualism? Oh, no! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221227)

Individualism? Oh, no!

Re:Individualism? Oh, no! (2, Insightful)

FourthAge (1377519) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221413)

A socialist country passes a law that curtails individual liberty for the greater good?

Oh my God how did this happen! The Left are the good guys aren't they? Clearly Chavez has become right-wing.

banning make hulk smash! (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221233)

Maybe banning violence would help to cut down on the violence in that country.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221269)

You outlaw violence and only outlaws will be violent

-sid216

Re:banning make hulk smash! (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221497)

It's easy - you just have to kill all the violent people.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (1, Insightful)

Red4man (1347635) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221635)

But being a violent, murderous asshole is fine if you're a lefty. Just ask any fucking hipster in a 'Che' shirt.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221725)

But being a violent, murderous asshole is fine if you're a lefty. Just ask any fucking hipster in a 'Che' shirt.

Mod parent up!

Although, to be fair, being a violent murderous asshole is even better of you're a righty. You get to defer the assassination and go straight to the presidential palace.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (2, Funny)

Red4man (1347635) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221765)

Although, to be fair, being a violent murderous asshole is even better of you're a righty.
Yes, but your reason is wrong. It's better 'cause you get to send in the military, and leave the dirty work for the hired help.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221807)

You're taking my cockblocking better than I thought you would. New levels of maturity for ol' Red...

Re:banning make hulk smash! (0, Offtopic)

Red4man (1347635) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221863)

Yeah, I'm in a good mood. Amazing what a threesome will do for a guy.

Trust me: If you ever get a chance to get two chicks - TAKE IT.

Re:banning make hulk smash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221797)

Well...yeah! But we only kill bad people.

Ah I get it... (2, Interesting)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221247)

Crush the thought of dissent before they spill out into the streets. Actually shouldn't be promoting the use of violent video games to keep his citizens under control?

this needs to be addressed (-1, Offtopic)

Xanavi (1197431) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221273)

Why is it that when I am holding my scroll bar and scrolling, suddenly it moves my current location by like 10 stories? I know it is loading more at the bottom, I know that the scrollbar location is based off a percentage of scrolled. BUT IT SUCKS!!!!! Just stop the autoloading, please.

Egoism, Individualism and Violence. (2, Interesting)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221285)

Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo and Trompo, and suggested that electronic toys like 'the Nintendo' be put aside because they promote 'egoism, individualism and violence.'

Because we all know what a danger Individualism is.

Re:Egoism, Individualism and Violence. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221711)

Chavez is monopolizing egoism, individualism, and most of all violence.

Re:Egoism, Individualism and Violence. (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221753)

Individualism interferes with your proper sense of duty to do whatever El Jefe tells you to.

Re:Egoism, Individualism and Violence. (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221787)

You must realize that Latin American countries are far more collectivist. Our notions of individual rights (which are eroding today even here in the USA) aren't as held there as they are here.

Re:Egoism, Individualism and Violence. (2, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221911)

Does this mean that this collectivism should be enforced by law?

European culture is more collectivist too, but the Europeans realize that this cultural trait doesn't need to be enshrined in law.

Government Parenting (1)

quatin (1589389) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221287)

Those violent video games are bad for you kid! Stop playing them immediately or be flogged!

Gotta love the straight-faced hypocrite (1, Troll)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221289)

Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo and Trompo, and suggested that electronic toys like 'the Nintendo' be put aside because they promote 'egoism, individualism and violence.'

Says the Strong Man who has been undermining the constitutional order of Venezuela and dreams of creating a Castro-like cult of personality for himself.

Re:Gotta love the straight-faced hypocrite (1)

darthwader (130012) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221763)

It is not hypocritical at all (although it may be a bit ironic). A hallmark of civilization everywhere is the idea that the state, as embodied by the government, has a monopoly on violence. Only the state can use violence against someone. If a citizen has a disagreement with another citizen, they must bring that disagreement to the state (the police or courts), and if appropriate, the state will use violence to resolve it.

It is perfectly normal and reasonable for a government to use violence for its own ends, and at the same time take measures to prevent its citizens from using violence for their ends.

I'm not saying Chavez's use of violence is just, fair, or even sensible. I'm also not saying the idea of restricting video games is reasonable or likely to be effective in reducing violence. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with Chavez' government attempting to reduce violence by citizens.

In other words: the plan is stupid, but not hypocritical.

Re:Gotta love the straight-faced hypocrite (3, Insightful)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221829)

A hallmark of civilization everywhere is the idea that the state, as embodied by the government, has a monopoly on violence.

Guess I live outside of "civilization." Don't worry, I'm just as happy having a right to self-defense.

Just video games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221297)

What about banning communist dictators?

Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221299)

The United States should take the side of the oppressed there, not shake hands with CastroLite.

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (3, Insightful)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221359)

The United States should take the side of the oppressed there, not shake hands with CastroLite.

Because the United States has such a great track record of installing democracy and non-oppressive leaders in foreign nations....

Why can't we leave others alone and worry about problems in our own country?

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (4, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221525)

Because the United States has such a great track record of installing democracy and non-oppressive leaders in foreign nations....

Ever heard of Germany or Japan?

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221545)

Frequently; because there aren't a whole lot of other examples...

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221667)

That's actually pretty funny. Iraq is rapidly becoming a third example, I think, but it doesn't change your point much. We suck at supporting the "good guys" as a nation. Even if Iraq turns out to be glorious, it's merely the first of many attempts just in Iraq that worked out well. Our primary failing seems to be that we support dictators who claim to support America and democracy over actual democracy, which is pretty epic fail.

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221685)

There are plenty of other examples. Some of them have even managed to
rack up very high body counts (even by Nazi or Stalinist standards).
They're less exciting because they represent much more regional problems
and offer little if any threat to the US of A.

That said: A nutbag like Chavez is a little more interesting because you
can flee his little dictatorship on foot and end up in Arizona or Texas.

Wackos in the same neighborhood are more meaningful than ones on the other side of the planet.

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221889)

Venezuela is not Mexico. You have to cross the Panama canal, and few other countries to get to the US from Venezuela. One even goes from South America to North America.

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221661)

Yes, they were two nations whom we actually declared war against because one of them attacked us.

Have you ever heard of Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Argentina, Guatemala, Paraguay, etc....?

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221935)

With Chavez's help, Obama is trying to do the same to Honduras.

Per the Honduran Constitution:

Article 239 - No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President.

Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.

Gee, you'd think trying to hold a referendum on removing Presidential term limits violates that? Just a tad?

Re:Hugo Chavez is a dictator and a thug (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221501)

Well, when we tried to depose him, he was democratically and legitimately in power (still is?). Maybe now that he's a dictator and thug, we can make him our ally again like all the others we support?

awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (4, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221303)

"The country that has bought Sukhois, tanks and 100,000 AK-103's, is planning to build a manufacturing plant of Russian rifles, and oppresses peaceful marches has decided to ban 'violent' video games because they 'promote violence and can alter the behavior of children.'

What the hell does this have to do with the actually meat of the issue? NOTHING. Nice troll.

Re:awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (4, Insightful)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221551)

Mod parent insightful. As bad as Hugo is this summary is stupid. You could write a story in the same style about the US, and how they are the source of much pornography but is still trying to outlaw or severly restrict. Just pure trolling.

Please critize Venzuela on sound ground. It is not that hard.

Re:awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (2, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221867)

No. Your excuses are stupid.

Venezeula is much more tightly controlled. In order for your lame analogy to
work, it would have to be Bush or Obama that is encouraging the production of
pornography. The fact that such activity exists in America (or any other normal
democracy) is a reflection of the inherent CHAOS of a truely free society. People
at large are free to engage in conflicting activities.

You can have as many pornographers as you have anti-porn crusaders.

Either and both can thrive without government encouragement or interference.

Chavez is the pimp in this case. Neither Bush nor Obama are.

Re:awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (3, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221953)

I think criticizing Venezuela for hypocrisy, as the summary did, is just fine.

Just because the same criticism is also valid for the US doesn't make it any less valid elsewhere.

Re:awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (2, Insightful)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221701)

The ridiculous part about that line is that Venezuela spends significantly less on defense spending than Colombia, it's oft-foe. And the "peaceful marches" involved a freaking coup.

Re:awesome, it's get my troll submitted day! (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221887)

Militarization demands increased violence in at least some segment of the population. Basically, it's not that Chavez opposes violence, it's that he opposes non-state-sanctioned violence. Boot camp doesn't turn you into a pacifist, and a more placid people are more easily ruled.

Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (2, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221307)

Maybe if there were MORE violent videogames there, there wouldn't be so much violence. In the US, the most violent places are the slums, places where the folks living there can't afford videogames.

Violent crime has dropped in the US since videogames were invented.

OTOH I played Quake with my daughters on our home network when they were teenagers, and my youngest (now 22) tried to beat the hell out of my girlfriend a couple of weeks ago. Maybe Quake is responsible? ;)

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221437)

and my youngest (now 22) tried to beat the hell out of my girlfriend a couple of weeks ago. Maybe Quake is responsible? ;)

I'd blame G.L.O.W.

Got any footage of that?

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221445)

OTOH I played Quake with my daughters on our home network when they were teenagers, and my youngest (now 22) tried to beat the hell out of my girlfriend a couple of weeks ago. Maybe Quake is responsible? ;)

If you didn't date 18 y/o girls this probably wouldn't happen.

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (2, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221617)

I don't, you disgusting troll. My GF's 44 years old, twice my daughter's age. Now get back under your goddamned bridge.

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (1)

Red4man (1347635) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221721)

My GF's 44 years old, twice my daughter's age

And from the sound of it, triple her weight, and half her IQ.

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221803)

Are you saying that the poster was a troll for suggesting that you can get 18 year old women to sleep with you? He didn't say 17, 16, or 12 years old. He said 18. A perfectly legal and moral age for an adult to have as a girlfriend. I guess, this just fall into different strokes for different folks, but suggesting you date 18 year olds seems like a strange thing to get upset about.

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (1)

Minozake (1227554) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221449)

Hehe. Sources would be nice.

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (2, Funny)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221577)

Hehe. Sources would be nice.

Yeah, the story about having daughters and a girlfriend is convincing but I'd like to see some solid evidence of a /.er having life, for once.

Wikipedia or GTFO

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221663)

The bar's owner has it, if he hasn't erased it already. There are three cameras in there; one pointed at the bar, one at the cash registers, and one at the video game machines.

BTW, this comment is offtopic but my "NKB" and "NSB" checkboxes seem to not work...

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221457)

OTOH I played Quake with my daughters...and my youngest (now 22) tried to beat the hell out of my girlfriend....

What your daughter needs, McGrew, is some dick. Let me have 'er for a few days. I'll starve her of Quake to make her all restless, then let her take out her animal aggression on me. I won't bite her...too hard :)

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Jack Thompson moved to Venusuela? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221717)

My ass.

I lived in the ghetto during middle school and into high school. Everyone had consoles, the most violent included.

Games vs RL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221309)

The violence found in video games is translated into the real world.

I believe it is "violence found in the real world is translated into video games"

promote violence and can alter the behavior of children.

I also wonder what used to alter the behavior in children to become violent before there were video games?

Re:Games vs RL (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221991)

I also wonder what used to alter the behavior in children to become violent before there were video games?

Religion and xenophobia, often combined.

banning video games.. (4, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221311)

was never about actually reducing crime, it is about enforcing morality on others and controlling what media people are allowed to consume.

About the Editorializing (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221331)

The country that has bought Sukhois, tanks and 100,000 AK-103's, is planning to build a manufacturing plant of Russian rifles, and oppresses peaceful marches has decided to ban 'violent' video games because they 'promote violence and can alter the behavior of children.'

Just because a country purchases utilities of force says nothing. What they do with them says everything. If a country employs them for their own protection from genuine threats, there is nothing wrong with them building or purchasing automat kalashnikovs.

As for the video games promoting violence and altering the behavior of children, I do not believe this has been scientifically proved or disproved. And it may be hard if not impossible to do. I would recommend, when dealing with a populace, that you stick to common sense like 'acts of violence have been around long before video games' and point out that there is no statistical correlation between increased violence and increased violence in video games.

Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo and Trompo, and suggested that electronic toys like 'the Nintendo' be put aside because they promote 'egoism, individualism and violence.'

Right, because it would be horrible if your kids got video games that made them think. We're dealing with politicians, not the populace here. I feel horrible for Venezuelan gamers but I wonder if this doesn't have to do more with the feelings that games convey to people more so than the violence. I can't help but think that CoD and other games that tell the stories of men who fought and died to stop fascists like Hitler and Mussolini must make other dictators afraid of that sense of freedom being conveyed -- and the violence to stop them being employed! It's possible this ban is more so a significance of the importance of games as a cultural medium. That might be reaching a bit far but I would guess there's some truth to it. Probably just as simple as Chavez trying to appeal to the older generations for support and using video games as a scapegoat.

2 points (1)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221641)

Re:2 points (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221855)

Wow, a government accused of (and denying) providing aid insurgents within its enemies' borders!

Thank God we'd never do anything like that...

Re:About the Editorializing (2)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221695)

I do not believe this has been scientifically proved or disproved.

Of course their behavior is affected. Just look at how the politics of an adult is driven by what they see on the TV over and over. They never vote, or even discuss beyond what's being spoon fed to them. Propaganda works, whether it's intentional or not. "The Game" can be a very useful tool.

Oh please (5, Informative)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221349)

The country that has bought Sukhois, tanks and 100,000 AK-103's, is planning to build a manufacturing plant of Russian rifles, and oppresses peaceful marches

Venezuela's defense spending is just over $2B/year. Their oft-foe, Colombia, spends about $6B/year. And the US spends over $400B/year.

And, FYI, your "peaceful marches" involved a freaking coup.

Just today the AFP released a report showing Caracas as the second most violent city on the planet -- even more violent than Baghdad.

Didn't bother to mention that New Orleans came in right after Caracas, with only one less murder per 100,000 people, did you? Or that Caracas's murder rate fell dramatically since their last survey. Skew much?

Re:Oh please (1, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221925)

C'mon. You've done a good job defending Chavez on defense and the general safety of his country.

Now go the distance. I'm only reading this comments thread to try and find out of anyone on /. has the balls to stand up and defend Chavez for taking video games away from his people.

Don't pull punches I'm waiting to see one of you liberal Chavez sympathizers defend THAT action HERE.

I wanna see some fireworks!!

Re:Oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221967)

What's the point you are trying to make? That Venezuela is just as violent and oppressive as the US? I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Is this really a surprise? (0, Troll)

grapeape (137008) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221369)

Most "violent" games (with the exception of games like GTA which could be seen as training materials there) tend to have a storyline emphasizing fighting for justice, freedom and stopping oppression. With a government that is opposed to those principles the biggest surprise is that it took them this long. Chavez evidently learned nothing from his own rebellion in 92 but then dictators tend to think oppression is fine as long as they are the ones giving it.

Anonymous Coward (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221375)

I've been to Caracas, only place where I've seen banks, car dealerships and even some nice restaurants have several armed guards with pump shotguns and automatic weapons.

Re:Anonymous Coward (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221491)

Meh, I saw that in Costa Rica, which is by all standards one of the safer, more stable Central American nations. You see some nice mall that by all standards could equally well blend in in Iowa, except for the guy out front with the military-style assault rifle.

Maybe if... (1)

thepooh81 (1606041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221389)

they used their police force to stop crime instead of enforcing Chavez's whims the crime would go down?? But nah, blaming video games is easier...

Scapegoat? Propaganda? Never! (1)

LitelySalted (1348425) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221393)

This is probably just the beginning of a downward spiral. Soon, the government will be spouting off propaganda about how Western Civilization seems to be the country's downfall.

OR this could just be a big move to recruit more soccer players... probably not.

biased view (0)

delete2kill (1449861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221429)

the posting is biased..... first quote by writer already shows his leanings... this isint a discussion its a statement shouting WTF, i mean sure it may be a violent city..but at least they are trying for a change of their society...at least they are willing maybe not in right direction but their willingness to change...even something as small as violent games may provide a good vibe from citizen and this wave might move to banning guns and other weapons and move to a civil society

Re:biased view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221553)

I wish there was a "Naïve" option when moderating posts.

Re:biased view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221823)

I also wish Slashdot would find its way into the 21st Century and support Unicode. Or, not even unicode, isn't the double-dotted-i in regular ASCII? God damn, fix your shit assholes.

Re:biased view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221647)

... move to banning guns and other weapons and move to a civil society

I've found that an armed society is much more civil and polite than an unarmed one.

Re:biased view (1)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221653)

First off, it's an editorial summary, those are simply part of slashdot. If you want non-editorial summaries, try somewhere else. Second, change for the worse should be criticized. That's the most important criticism a person can offer.

Re:biased view (2, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221767)

Editorials are biased. TFA is really, as the name implies, the article. TFS is an editorial.

And this is the most scary part

, Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo and Trompo, and suggested that electronic toys like 'the Nintendo' be put aside because they promote 'egoism, individualism and violence.'

Because we all know how -terrible- individualism is. But really when you look at oppressive regimes you see the death of individualism as a key characteristic. This just proved what most people knew: Chavez is a power-hungry dictator.

Re:biased view (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221989)

Yep, because taking away their video games and weapons would JUST be to move to a civil society. Those actions would NEVER be used to oppress people's freedom.

Individualism == danger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221475)

Individualism is the main target here, because the individual is the greatest danger that the State has.

Please get Jack Thomson to back this in public! (2)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221503)

That way Fox News will be forced to calling him a socialist supporter of Hugo Chavez and close one of the last places that man can get any airtime.

Re:Please get Jack Thomson to back this in public! (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221637)

Seriously it would be like adding anti-matter to a big steaming pile of matter.

Re:Please get Jack Thomson to back this in public! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221933)

More like adding doesn't-matter to a big steaming pile of wants-to-matter.

Yo-Yos can be dangerous... (1)

mrboyd (1211932) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221619)

They obviously missed The substitute 2. Otherwise they would have banned those dangerous thing too.

That said I miss mine. Can anyone recommend a good brand? yotech, bumblebee, other?

Who tagged this "Fascism"? (2, Funny)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221621)

The people doing this are the United Socialist Party. Hugo Chavez is a champion of workers' rights, a bane to American-style capitalist corporations, heavily influenced by Marx, and a socialist to the core.

He is also the democratically elected leader of his country.

Re:Who tagged this "Fascism"? (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221691)

Do you live in a world in which Venn diagrams never overlap? Do your sets lack the difference operation, because it always returns the empty set? I would like to hear more about your insights into mathematics.

Re:Who tagged this "Fascism"? (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221801)

I would just like to add that I live in a world where the definitions of "difference" and "intersection" are swapped.

D'oh.

The yo-yo is a weapon (3, Interesting)

lalena (1221394) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221629)

Chavez promoted the use of traditional toys like the Yo-Yo

But the yo-yo is a weapon: Inventors of the yo-yo [about.com]

In the Philippines, the yo-yo was a weapon for over 400 hundred years. Their version was large with sharp edges and studs and attached to thick twenty-foot ropes for flinging at enemies or prey.

Many peoples ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221679)

Many peoples won't be affected by violence in videogames... but don't overestimate the human specie... MANY are affected...

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I blame Mercenaries 2: World In Flames (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221697)

Mercenaries 2 took place in venezuela and was met with alot of criticism by the goverment. Apparently, they were more upset then anyone realized, eh?

Instead of a "guns for toys" exchange . . . (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221713)

100,000 AK-103's

. . . they're planning a "violent video games for guns" exchange.

Hell, an AK-103? Where do I trade my games in?

An age-old argument (3, Interesting)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221769)

Do violent video games make kids more violent? Well, I never used to think so until my 6 year old started playing them. Almost immediately we noticed a change in his behavior and an increase in his aggressiveness. I fought it for a long time because I have been playing violent games since Doom and Quake and I totally didn't want to believe it...plus, I had always wanted my son to be able to play those games with me. So, after many arguments with my wife, and after strict guidance from his pediatrician, I caved and we put up the games. he HATED it but, I must admit, the temper tantrums ceased and he became a much more calm and respectful kid.

I know what you are thinking: "He stopped because he was playing too many games in general". No, actually we only cut out the violent games. He still plays the games that, whoever that legal group is that decides what is ok for kids to play, say it's ok for him to play. It sucks because I never wanted to be that guy, but here I am. I guess I need to hang up my Logitech Mouseman and get a trackball because I'm certainly only months away from carpal tunnel.

FML

Re:An age-old argument (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221969)

There are many ways to solve conflicts. Violence is one way. Its no surprise that when shown primarily one way of solving conflicts, they will chose that option. Plus, there are many levels of violence and age groups. While Halo might be a bit too much for a 6 year old, my guess is an 8 or 9 year old would be able to handle it fine. Similarly, other games that use violence as the primary means of conflict resolution but don't use it exclusively such as RPGs would be perfectly fine, even ones with slight blood and violent imagery when in fights.

But when it comes down to it, everyone is different. I mean, there are some kids who I think are more mature than some of my coworkers, and other kids who act like they are 3 when they are much older. There is no doubt that some 6 year olds can handle violent games fine, some don't. But I think the primary flaw is that they blame -everything- on video games, the same effects can happen with TV, Movies, Books, the news, etc. And it is simply tyranny to ban free speech, and without a doubt video games are free speech.

Even "Red Alert III?" (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221821)

What even "Red Alert III?" Say it ain't so Hugo, say it ain't so.

On the plus side, these kinds of Social Controls never work, and will ultimately lead to the collapse of the Venezualan state. It's akin to the Soviet Union outlawing "decadent Western culture," and shows Hugo Chavez to be the petty tin-plated tyrant his critics had always painted him as.

As an American who has been to Caracas, Venezuela (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29221885)

Chavez is a sick egotistical freak. I don't think he needs to be shot, per se, but he does need to be removed from power. Unfortunately, democracy is dead and the people cannot remove him with votes due to corruption.

Those people are quickly losing all their freedoms in a way that makes citizens of the United States appear to be crying about nothing. Americans are so incredibly self-absorbed that we tend to put our own problems above anyone else.

In Caracas, you can't stop at red lights at night due to the high probability of getting mugged. Friends can't stop by and talk for a few minutes in the street. You need to go behind a gate for your subdivision or apartment.

The police are corrupt. People working in any government industry are corrupt and since most industries are being socialized this is almost every industry at this point. I got ripped off $150 USD at the airport by trusting an official worker when I found myself trying to leave without the appropriate exit tax.

The saddest part is that Venezuelans are beautiful people with good hearts. To me they are ideal for the type of people I'd like to be surrounded by. They have traditional values and take care of each other. Most of them are trying to gain citizenship elsewhere.

Loki @ Work (1)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#29221891)

Loki, the sinister Nordic God, speaks with a forked tongue in these matters. Sinister people, the word denoting left handedness, are known for their shadowy presence and ability to mettle in the affairs of others without ever being brought to justice. Bugs Bunny is an excellent representation of the type. Tribal shamanism carries overtones of word magic. Word magic believes action can be engendered, spookily and at a distance, by symbol manipulation. Thus words like fuck are forbidden in certain circles. It a psychotic delusional system that stems from shame based tribal societies where shame or guilt is tied to ideation arising from spiritual pollution. If you banish the guilty and their images you rid yourself of pollution

The interesting part, that all societies seem to willfully ignore, is the part played by the wily "successful" people in modern society. We still overvalue image and presence. People, especially political leaders, who can wield powerful symbols are, ridiculously, seen as powerful. The suit and tie, the winning smile, the self effacing embrace of the world media are nearly ubiquitous by such types. The problems arise when they're able to enslave a population in a mass delusion symbolic, shamanistic war with the symbols of evil and the most animalistic and base of our instincts overcome common sense and advancement.

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