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Microsoft Holding 'Screw Google' Meetings In DC

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the or-perhaps-screwgle dept.

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Runaway1956 writes "Microsoft's chief Washington lobbyist has been convening regular meetings, attended by the company's outside consultants, that have become known by some beltway insiders as 'screw Google' meetings, DailyFinance has learned. The meetings are part of an ongoing campaign by Microsoft, other Google opponents, and hired third parties to discredit the Web search leader, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter. 'Microsoft is at the center of a group of companies who see Google as a threat to them in some combination of business and policy,' said a source who requested anonymity to avoid retribution. 'The effort is designed to make Google look like the big high-tech bad guy here.'"

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331 comments

Meh... (1)

delta98 (619010) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241671)

can't say I'm surprised.

Scroogle Meetings? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241839)

Scroogle Meetings?

Re:Scroogle Meetings? (1)

PsychoElf (571371) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242101)

No, that's already being used --> https://ssl.scroogle.org/ [scroogle.org]

pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241675)

Pathetic. You're going DOWN, microsoft.

Been there, done that. (5, Interesting)

QuebecNerd (924754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241681)

I've been holding some pretty good 'screw Microsoft' meetings for years in the toilet.

Nothing new here...

Joking aside; a little farther and these meetings could been seen as illegal collusion.

Re:Been there, done that. (5, Funny)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241709)

"Joking aside; a little farther and these meetings could been seen as illegal collusion."

I hope not, this slashdot screw microsoft meeting has only just started.

Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (4, Informative)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241739)

Actually, you know, I'm kinda getting nostalgic. In ye goode olde days, even just a "Microsoft exists" would generate a flurry of pure hate, and let's not even get into news of such obviously evil behaviour as offering a free CLI version of their compiler. Now as of the time I've hit "Reply To This" were only 5 replies, and mostly moderate stuff. It hardly looks like the proper "screw Microsoft and the horse they rode in on" parties we used to hold :P

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (5, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241935)

Apparently all that astroturfing is paying off.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241975)

I think the perception is that everyone is aware that Microsoft is evil, so there's no need to muster up that much hate any more. Besides, all that hating is kind of tiring. I'd rather work on the solution than whinging about the problem. Also, it has become clear that Bill Gates is "in" with the "powers that be". It was never more clear than when Ashcroft gave Microsoft a free pass after it was found to have operated anticompetitively in basically every way. Attacking Microsoft (in the USA) has become more unrealistic than ever. It's better to just work on getting Another System Started and ignore them, which is to say, just go Open Source.

It's also hard for me to bitch out Microsoft while I am forced to tell people who actually want to use websites with flash (such as full screen youtube) that they can't use Linux.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (2, Funny)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242003)

Are you suggesting the population of /. is maturing?

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242251)

Are you suggesting the population of /. is maturing?

Have you seen a RIAA article lately?

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (1, Informative)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242023)

[quote]It's also hard for me to bitch out Microsoft while I am forced to tell people who actually want to use websites with flash (such as full screen youtube) that they can't use Linux.[/quote]

Works for me.

I just tried a random Youtube video in full screen to check.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (5, Informative)

Derek Pomery (2028) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242315)

He's probably referring to:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469439 [mozilla.org]

There was a simple workaround (LD_PRELOAD) but it has been since fixed.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (5, Insightful)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242415)

Yeah, flash works full screen for me too. Tested on Ubuntu 8.04 x64 and 9.04 x86 with nVidia, ATI and Intel hardware.
While Flash on 64bit windows still is nonexistent.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242181)

Also, it has become clear that Bill Gates is "in" with the "powers that be".

This was clear long before Gates started Microsoft and became a card-carrying member of the financial elite.

Attacking Microsoft (in the USA) has become more unrealistic than ever

No it hasn't, all that's happened is that DOJ has undermined its ability to regulate markets. Nobody can be punished for monopoly abuses without creating a shitstorm over the DOJ/Microsoft issue. Hopefully Google (ie: the unregulated market) will be able to succeed where the DOJ failed.

I am forced to tell people who actually want to use websites with flash (such as full screen youtube) that they can't use Linux.

Sure they can...

~$ youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=xxxxxx
~$ mplayer -fs xxxxxx.flv

You'd think google would do something about forcing users onto the command line like that.

Re:Actually, I'm kinda getting nostalgic ;) (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242133)

In ye goode olde days, even just a "Microsoft exists" would generate a flurry of pure hate

Many reasons there bob.

#1 Windows ME isn't used so much anymore.
#2 Windows VISTA isn't used so much anymore.
#3 The median age of a /. user has dropped to 18.675.
#4 ????
#5 Pure Profit.

Actually, You're kinda boringly repetitive (0, Troll)

theolein (316044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242267)

Jeezuz, what is it with you Microsoft drones? Do you think that if you act like vitimised kittens for long enough that people will either take pity on you or believe you? You creeps have been playing the poor, hurt, innocent victim card for so long that I think the only people who take you seriously are the other anal, Microsoft dipshits who post the same, childish, boring crap, no matter whether Microsoft has just released a free upgrade to Windows Explorer (yay) or screwed some partner or customer over again.

We get it, now fuck off.

Re:Been there, done that. (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242137)

I hope not, this slashdot screw microsoft meeting has only just started.

You must be new here.

Re:Been there, done that. (2, Funny)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242163)

I hope not, this slashdot screw microsoft meeting has only just started.

You must be new here.

No you must be new here and *WOOOOOOSHHH*

Re:Been there, done that. (2, Interesting)

DRJlaw (946416) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241951)

Joking aside; a little farther and these meetings could been seen as illegal collusion.

Only if you ignore that pesky First Amendment [wikipedia.org] in the Constitution.

Re:Been there, done that. (2, Insightful)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242021)

Not really. If the majority of your competitors get together and work against you by holding meetings discrediting you, it's probably the same as all the major players in a market getting together and pricing you out of business. If it isn't, it should be illegal.

Re:Been there, done that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242345)

If the majority of your competitors get together and work against you by holding meetings discrediting you

Have a meeting where people agree with each other should be illegal?

Re:Been there, done that. (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242075)

Joking aside; a little farther and these meetings could been seen as illegal collusion.

Pfft... Like claims of illegal collusion have ever mattered to Microsoft...

Re:Been there, done that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242139)

Actually, these kind of meetings and methodologies are strictly against Microsoft company policies. Multiple times a year (historically annually), Microsoft requires all employees and vendors to take what are called SBC (Standards of Business Conduct) trainings to ensure that moral and ethical standards of business operations are upheld; slanderous activities or statements ("Screw Google") executed on behalf of Microsoft fall under this category. This supposedly applies to company partners/representatives as well, which should include lobbyist organisations, but who knows for certain...

News media sites should continue to point out groups or organisations which represent Microsoft (either directly or as a partner on their behalf) badly. If Microsoft is smart, they'll immediately terminate their involvement with organisations such as Law Media Group and Glover Park Group, or at bare minimum, perform a thorough internal investigation.

Who else does MS usually have on board? (4, Interesting)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241697)

The meetings are part of an ongoing campaign by Microsoft, other Google opponents, and hired third parties to discredit the Web search leader, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter.

Anyone else reading "other third parties" as "politicians"?

Re:Who else does MS usually have on board? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241767)

I read "hired third parties", not "other third parties".
Those parties are probably lobbyists, who then talk to politicians who have previously been payed for.

Re:Who else does MS usually have on board? (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241855)

M$ wouldn't do that!

oh wait, they have before.

well, ok

Thanks for the suggestion (1)

Lorien_the_first_one (1178397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241875)

That would make sense that at least one or two politicians (or their aids) would attend. But if they were to attend, would they be friend, foe or observer?

Re:Thanks for the suggestion (1)

rvw (755107) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242179)

That would make sense that at least one or two politicians (or their aids) would attend. But if they were to attend, would they be friend, foe or observer?

If they were to attend, they probably would be paid!

Re:Thanks for the suggestion (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242193)

That would make sense that at least one or two politicians (or their aids) would attend. But if they were to attend, would they be friend, foe or observer?

They would be the test subject in a "Clockwork Orange"...

Hello pot... (1)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241705)

...the kettle called to say "YOU"RE BLACK".

Are they really that scared by Google? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241715)

Really?

This is time wasted (5, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241717)

Microsoft and its cronies are wasting time. They forget that it all comes down to what people want to use, choice in this case.

Re:This is time wasted (4, Insightful)

Supurcell (834022) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241883)

Sucks for those who don't have what the people want. Sucks even more for the people who don't want what the super-rich and powerful are selling.

Re:This is time wasted (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242061)

Sucks for those who don't know that you can set google to your homepage.

Re:This is time wasted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242079)

Naw, one thing they are not doing is "wasting time".

Time and again, throughout Microsoft's history, they have proven that these tactics work much better than trying to compete honestly in the open market. Competing honestly in the open market would require thought and planning and some respect/understanding/decent treatment of their customer base. All their apparoach takes is influence peddling and a complete lack of morals or ethics.

Though started by Bill Gates' insecurities and distrust of the free market, Microsoft has now institutionalized unethical and illegal behavior and adopted that as a standard way of doing "business" (in quotes because - really- that's not what business is all about. It's what organized crime is all about).

Re:This is time wasted (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242219)

Don't forget the include the word Nazi next time...

Using google as default in ie8 (1, Flamebait)

riegel (980896) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241735)

I just did a fresh install of xp and ie8. It was maddening trying to set google as my default search engine AND to remove bing from the list. It was definitley setup up in way to make it unintuitive.

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (4, Informative)

wjsteele (255130) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241885)

What? Are you joking? I'm not sure how much more obvious they can make it. There are a lot of things to complain about, but changing the default provider certainly isn't one of them.

Here are the simple steps to add a new provider:

1.) Click the dropdown in the search box.
2.) Click the "Find more providers" link.
3.) Click "Add to Internet Explorer" for the Google Provider.
4.) Check "Make this my default provider" option.
5.) Click Add. Done.

Also, If you just want to change Google to the default AND remove Bing, it's just as easy...

1.) Click the dropdown in the search box.
2.) Click the "Manage Search Providers" link.
3.) Select the "Google" provider.
4.) Click the "Set as default" button.
5.) Click on the "Bing" provider.
6.) Click the "Remove" button.
7.) Click "Done"

Really, these steps are so obvious that I almost didn't respond because I thought you were joking.

Bill

I'll do you one better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241927)

Upon a -fresh- install of IE8, you are -asked- what default search provider (and accelerator and a few other things) you want, and Google is in those lists.

I don't remember FireFox, Chrome, Safari -or- Opera presenting me with the option; and I should know, I installed them all just a few days ago on a desktop machine that I'm getting ready for a web designer (so he can easily test in each browser; older versions are in different VMs).

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/01/ie8-installation-the-user-is-in-control.aspx [msdn.com]
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/09/ie-setup-experience-just-the-facts-and-the-screenshots.aspx [msdn.com]
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/07/16/changes-to-ie8-s-first-run.aspx [msdn.com]

Honestly, I know MS is probably just responding to industry/EU/customerbase pressure rather than doing things out of goodwill, but they -are- getting their stuff together.

Re:I'll do you one better... (1, Informative)

riegel (980896) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242313)

Upon a -fresh- install of IE8, you are -asked- what default search provider (and accelerator and a few other things) you want, and Google is in those lists.

You are wrong. I just did it yesterday, and the only choice I had was to leave the default search provider set to bing, or I was allowed to delay my switch to another provider once the setup wizard had completed.

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (4, Insightful)

dachshund (300733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242069)

I'm not sure why it should take five steps to change your search engine to the most popular engine on the market. Remember that many, many users are extremely limited in their ability to make "simple" changes to a browser configuration (many will simply expect the browser to use Google, for example).

Is it really not possible for Google to exist in a pre-loaded list (or be downloaded automatically) and just be available as a dropdown?

Keep in mind that most users will go with whatever the default setting is, no matter how easy it is to switch (and later complain about the search quality). So Microsoft already wields enormous market power even if the switch is a snap. Making it a multi-step process (where you have to go online, find the provider, then separately make it the default) is going to exclude a shocking number of novice users. And I can't help but think that Microsoft knows this.

(On second thought, Microsoft has a fiduciary duty to know this --- if you're a stockholder and Microsoft tells you they aren't doing this to screw Google, you'd better be unhappy with them.

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (1)

riegel (980896) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242287)

Just tried it, and found it interesting that "based on 135 ratings" Bing had 5 stars, and Google, "based on 115 ratings" only had 4 stars.

I find that amazing of the millions of people using IE8 only 115 have weighed in on google and only 135 have weighed in on Bing.

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242297)

I think you just proved his point

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241895)

You're doing it wrong.

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (1)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242337)

I just install Firefox and delete the IE shortcut from my desktop. No more Bing/Live or what ever they call it and Google is the search engine for Firefox by default!

Re:Using google as default in ie8 (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242413)

haha, most people will just manually visit google.com , or use Bing to search for Google.

I bet that most searched term on Bing is Google.

In other news... (1)

Youx (988716) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241749)

Ballmer seen training a militia of chair-throwing monkeys...

Best advertisment ever. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241751)

All these competitors must be very desperate if they organize themselves instead of competing with one another. And I don't mean desperate as in "making less profit" or even "running at a loss", I mean desperate as in "about to be finished in the near future".
This is the best advertisement for Google I can imagine. It's basically Microsoft and there other competitors advising you to put your money on Google.

Crowdsourcing? Hmmm. (3, Insightful)

Lorien_the_first_one (1178397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241933)

I agree with you about that. It seems obvious that Microsoft would rather try to bash their competitors and hold them down until they drown than to compete on the merits. But they can't do it by themselves.

A previous poster described this as collusion. Conspiracy might be a better word, but that might be construed as a "theory" rather than something that was actually documented.

Now if Microsoft is having meetings with their competitors to take down Google, I have to wonder just how cooperative Microsoft really is. Given the level of paranoia exhibited by MS, anyone MS deals with is a potential threat to them. The vast majority of partners and collaborators with Microsoft have wound up either dead or permanently handicapped. I wonder if all of the attendees at those meetings have considered that trend. To see the trend, go here [groklaw.net] .

Re:Best advertisment ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242031)

Indeed.

I find it pretty damn hilarious that all these companies are coming together to talk about the Cool Guy.

Seems like the usual "waah they are better than us" crowd.
Cry on, dudes!

Re:Best advertisment ever. (5, Interesting)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242257)

Microsoft's last two quarterly reports haven't been exactly encouraging, for Q4 2009 [betanews.com] over Q4 2008, they saw -33% reductions in the Client (windows) division, -1% in Server and Tools, -16% in Business (Office), -51% in online services (bing), and 25% growth in entertainment (xbox). The kicker here is that the growth in the entertainment division is actually mitigating a loss: Both that division and the online services are losing them money, i.e. they're in the red and are not making a profit.

I suspect that their stock hasn't tanked because Wall Street has faith that their core businesses are such a huge cash cow that they will soon recover their former glory. I have my doubts though, I think the shine is gone and a lot more people have now come to see MS as a blunderer, like GM.

Like if google needed help... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241763)

I don't think google needs help for that... I've been warning people about google for years and no one believed me until google started showing them their search records as a 'service'

Bing in Chinese means "disease" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241797)

Bing [brandinfection.com] means disease in Chinese.

Just saying.

Re:Bing in Chinese means "disease" (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241873)

Most things have negative meanings in a language somewhere. Would you like some bite the wax tadpole?

Re:Bing in Chinese means "disease" (2, Interesting)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241965)

Indeed, but there's a difference between "some random language somewhere" and "the national language of the world's most populous nation".

Nobody's too worried about Basque, Ainu, or Pitjantjatjara. But you can reasonably expect companies at least to avoid negative meanings in Chinese, Spanish, English, and Arabic, if they want to sell a product all over the world.

Re:Bing in Chinese means "disease" (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242321)

Maybe their brand agency were hitting the bong when they came up with bing?

Crush Compaq (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29241807)

This is like the internal campaign Dell had going several years ago while I worked there, and I'm sure every company has something like that, even if it's only as a joke, or to improve employee morale.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Crush Compaq (4, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242071)

This is like the internal campaign Dell had going several years ago while I worked there

An "internal" campaign doesn't include other companies in the same markets and "hired third parties"; when you add those in, it becomes more like a cartel or trust.

1...2...3 throw (0)

improfane (855034) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241813)

I imagine there will be few chairs left in this meeting.

Re:1...2...3 throw (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242131)

Leave no chair unturned!

Do you expect them not to lobby? (4, Insightful)

Torodung (31985) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241829)

Meh. Were I a Microsoft stockholder, I would sue them for malfeasance if they didn't exhaust every cost-effective, competitive resource available.

Every large corp. lobbies the government for market favoritism. Any large corp. that doesn't is screwing its shareholders.

The problem is that you can do this at all, when the government is supposed to regulate (i.e.: even out) commerce and promote the general welfare (i.e.: not pick winners and losers).

--
Toro

Re:Do you expect them not to lobby? (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241959)

"Were I a Microsoft stockholder, I would sue them for malfeasance if they didn't exhaust every cost-effective, competitive resource available."

Sure. They should be "competitive." But competition does not include finding and executing ways to harm others. That would be another another term. "Destructive competition" is a term coined on the wikipedia page on the word "competition" but I don't think it does well to put those two words together as, to me at least, the word competition implies honor and fair play. Putting the word "destructive" in front does not adequately remove the implications of the word competition. Worse, doing so makes "destructive competition" seem acceptable in civilized society and I cannot subscribe to that point of view. Clearly, however, you can.

There are times I wish I could be an active member of an important legislative body so that I could make a real, positive contribution to society. Unfortunately, I doubt I could withstand the "competition" I would experience in the process.

Re:Do you expect them not to lobby? (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242169)

I have been wondering for some time if we can tie the value of a companies stock not to their perceived future value,but the perceived future value to the community.

Re:Do you expect them not to lobby? (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242275)

Any large corp. that doesn't is screwing its shareholders.

Yup, that's absolutely right kids. A company screwing their shareholders is in fact grounds for a lawsuit. Screwing employees, screwing customers, screwing the government, screwing the entire US economy, and screwing the environment is all just good business.

ZOMG they might be right! (3, Funny)

mayberry42 (1604077) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241847)

Whoah! Looks like MS might be right on this one. After some detective work worthy of Sherlock Holmes, I have uncovered this [cracked.com] .

In other news.. (2, Insightful)

da_matta (854422) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241859)

...Google has been convening with other companies that see Microsoft as a threat and trying to lobby different Washington interest groups "Microsoft as a big bad technology company".

I.e. a practise otherwise discribed as a standard procedure of strategic competition in corporate America. You don't have to like it, but it's not exactly news. Catching them in the act of trying to bribe a congressmen/senators would be news.

Re:In other news.. (1)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242103)

Oh its you Mr "Microsoft's chief Washington lobbyist" astroturfing the slashdot crowd.

You forget one thing Google's "Don't be evil". I think you find that Google are much less concerned with Microsoft then Microsoft is about Google.

Re:In other news.. (1)

fortyonejb (1116789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242347)

If you really believe that, I have some land in Alaska for sale, don't worry, Palin is a really nice neighbor

Google may run around with that motto stapled to their chest, but you are delusional if you believe they are not actively working in Washington to get their way. Is it right/wrong? I will abstain from judging and just state that this is the way the system currently works. Google is very concerned with Microsoft, you don't run a successful company without knowing every step your competition is making, burying your head in the sand is not a successful business strategy. They are both out there, both "watchdogging" each other, and that might actually be good, neither company should run rampant, both need to be kept in check.

Re:In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242459)

I've often wondered - what is the Kool-Aid like?

"Competition"? We need a new word. (5, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241863)

In a competition, the playing field is level and the one who works the best or the hardest or the most efficient wins.

We need a new word for the kinds of "competitive behavior" we see where the focus isn't about making better stuff or providing better services, but is instead focused on bringing down the people around you. In competitive sports, there are rules against such behavior. We can't have ice skaters bashing in the knees of other ice skaters now can we?

Microsoft is very easy to criticize because they are very well focused on bringing the competition down instead of working to make themselves more competitive. They need to have their language license revoked when their describe their behavior as "competitive" and "innovative." The word "bully" comes to mind, but I fear it is too simplistic and doesn't adequately describe the depth of planning and focus demonstrated. Whatever the word, it needs to convey the abandonment of fair play principles of competition and the selfish and callous disregard for others in the damage they cause. Anyone know of a word that describes this sort of behavior? Perhaps a few from psychology text books might well fit in here somewhere.

Re:"Competition"? We need a new word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242333)

We can't have ice skaters bashing in the knees of other ice skaters now can we?

I would watch ice skating if they did.

High Tech (1)

tritter (1294692) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241879)

"The effort is designed to make Google look like the big high-tech bad guy here." At least they're 'high tech' in contrast to Microsoft.

it is too late (3, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241887)

microsoft not only has dominance on the desktop & laptops, they also have damn near 100% market share in the EVIL department too.

Re:it is too late (1)

mjihad (686196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242221)

microsoft not only has dominance on the desktop & laptops, they also have damn near 100% market share in the EVIL department too.

Big tobacco, the oil industry, the RIAA and SCO would like to see your statistics and buy more of where they come from.

Re:it is too late (-1, Flamebait)

JobyKSU (1071830) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242359)

100%? Hardly. Have you actually read the "privacy" policies for Google products? It amounts to "your data is ours, and we can share it." Couple that with the fact that Google toolbar and even Google Desktop now comes on most consumer laptops and you have now have an uninformed public sharing all of their information with a corporate Big Brother. Google has been getting a bit of a free ride so far, and it is about time a few more people noticed.

Corporate SOP (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241899)

All major corporations have strategic meetings about their main competition. Why is this so different just because its Mircosoft doing it?

Or is news really that slow today?

Re:Corporate SOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242011)

Because they are colluding with other companies to put Google out of business.

Re:Corporate SOP (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242253)

And again, i ask the question, why is it so different because its Microsoft?

Re:Corporate SOP (2, Informative)

Secret Agent X23 (760764) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242027)

All major corporations have strategic meetings about their main competition. Why is this so different just because its Mircosoft doing it?

If you can reasonably describe them as "strategic meetings," it's certainly not news no matter who's doing it. If you have words like "lobbyists" and "discredit" in the story, it warrants some attention -- again, no matter who's doing it.

Re:Corporate SOP (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242271)

If you have words like "lobbyists" and "discredit" in the story, it warrants some attention -- again, no matter who's doing it.

Its how "the system" has worked since nearly the beginning of human time, and really a non story.

The world runs on politics and deceit.. Show me something that isn't the status quo, and we have a story.

I take it that (2, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241945)

Italy was invited.

Bit of a credibility problem? (2, Insightful)

dachshund (300733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241991)

The effort is designed to make Google look like the big high-tech bad guy here.

If your effort has widely become known as the "screw Google" meeting, it seems to me that you're doing a pretty bad job of it. Of course, this is DC... cash can easily substitute for credibility.

Sad (1)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241995)

Like last year's prom queen spiking the punch. Maybe if she hadn't turned into a total bitch, people would still give a shit what she has to say.

Re:Sad (1)

Therefore I am (1284262) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242063)

In games you always play the ball and not the man. . . Microsoft has come on the field all set to bring the man down but has forgotten to wear their shorts! . . . . . . Ridiculous is not quite the right word, but you get my drift.

Dear Microsoft, (-1, Flamebait)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 4 years ago | (#29241997)

Go fuck yourself.

Re:Dear Microsoft, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242209)

If there is enough money involved yes we'd do that.

Competition (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242007)

It is a shame that Microsoft feels it is unable to compete in the marketplace, and now must walk the shadowy halls and back rooms of Washington DC in order to stay relevant.

Re:Competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242033)

That is so true. I saw this coming however when I installed Slackware in 1996.

I love the irony (1)

slasho81 (455509) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242013)

I love the irony of holding regular smear meetings in order to make others look like the bad guy.

Re:I love the irony (1)

fortyonejb (1116789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242367)

hehe, Stallman, that you?

aw crap, wrong place to post that...

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242019)

In other news... Slashdot holding 'screw microsoft' meeting for it's 7th consecutive year.

Google must be terrified... (1)

richardbirks (898884) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242077)

If BING was one of the attempts to "screw Google" then Microsoft are playing Pee Wee Morris to Google's Lassie.

What's really funny is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242115)

Google doesn't even seem to see microsoft as competition.

Microsoft busts ass to try and outdo google at every turn. And google just ignores them and does what they were going to do anyway. Make things people want to use. And make it free.

I'm sure many people at google might have a 'screw microsoft' thought or two. But they're not wasting millions of dollars on it!

It isn't paranoia if it is real (1)

Xenolith (538304) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242205)

Google is on the verge of monopolistic powers... already have that in search. Being in control of search is much more scarier to me than in control of PC platforms. If you hate Microsoft, you should also hate/fear Google.

Turnabout is fair play (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242233)

Microsoft used to ignore DC until they got screwed over by the Clinton administration. The anti-trust judgment obtained by the Clinton justice department burst the tech bubble and caused the recession Bush inherited.

So now, yeah, they are in Washington trying to win that game, too.

Re:Turnabout is fair play (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29242403)

Thank you for this interesting combination of lunatic fantasy and revisionist history. Well done.

This bit was interesting (5, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242363)

The new details about Microsoft's D.C.-based efforts to undermine Google shine a light on the role of third-party firms, funded by tech giants, that engage in activities such as astroturfing, corporate propaganda, and misinformation. Media reports have hinted at a "whisper campaign" undertaken by entities acting at Microsoft's behest to undermine Google, both with policymakers and the public.

Coupled with Microsoft's long standing campaign to influence social media discussions in technical forums, like this one. Instead of investing that money in making better products, we've come to the point where success has to include not only dominating the market, but influencing social media and the regulatory environment. It's almost like their operating system business is an afterthought for Microsoft these days. They're not about building better products as much as hanging on to their market share and putting down competition.

Remind me again why the artificial person that is a corporation deserves the same freedom of speech protections as an individual? Seems like they sort of have an unfair advantage already when it comes to getting their free speech packaged and distributed.

DoJ, FTC p0wned? All your base are belong to MS! (1)

divisionbyzero (300681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242405)

Gee, I wonder where all of these anti-trust concerns came from regarding Google? Gee, I wonder why Eric Schmidt and Arthur Levinson had to leave Apple's board? So, lame. And pathetic. I know some people will say that every company does this... And that's fine but it doesn't make it right. In fact it just makes MS look... lame and pathetic. Oh we can't compete let's lobby!

Rezisstenzzzz is futile (4, Funny)

BlindRobin (768267) | more than 4 years ago | (#29242483)

The time is not far off when all will realise that Google Earth is not simply the name of an application but our destiny !
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