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Communication Lost With Indian Moon Satellite

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the that's-a-shame dept.

Moon 186

stoolpigeon writes "All communication links with the only Indian satellite orbiting the Moon have been lost, India's space agency says. Radio contact with the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft was lost abruptly early on Saturday, said India's Bangalore-based Space Research Organization (ISRO)."

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obligatory comment (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246355)

... Are they sure that was a moon?

Re:obligatory comment (0, Flamebait)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246375)

loss of smoke signals occurred sometime around noon.

Re:obligatory comment (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246643)

India's not far form Africa. Maybe it wasn't "lost" at all. Maybe it was stolen by a MOON CRICKET! [urbandictionary.com] Like maybe the moon cricket thought it looked like a bicycle or something.

Re:obligatory comment (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246485)

scratches head I'm trying to figure out how the first comment to the story could be "redundant". Hey, moderator who did that: You're a moron. Also, you will never have enough mod points to defeat me. nyaaaah. -_- Okay... my childish needs are satisfied for the afternoon.

Re:obligatory comment (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246563)

It means "we've heard that joke too much & are sick of it." Your code word for this is obligatory, but since there's no "-1 Obligatory" the moderator used "-1 Redundant" which is actually a pretty common usage.

Re:obligatory comment (1, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246619)

It means "we've heard that joke too much & are sick of it." Your code word for this is obligatory, but since there's no "-1 Obligatory" the moderator used "-1 Redundant" which is actually a pretty common usage.

*shrug* I hear star wars references at work at least once a day. I didn't think it was possible for them to get sick of it. I'm going with the notion that the moderator in question shorted himself on caffeine and hates life.

Re:obligatory comment (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246679)

I hear star wars references at work at least once a day.

Be that as it may, many are turning against non sequitur pop culture quotations as humor; xkcd 307 [xkcd.com] is a particularly relevant example.

Re:obligatory comment (0, Offtopic)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246803)

I love XKCD, but Randall Munroe should perhaps remove the beam from his own eye ...

Re:obligatory comment (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247387)

That would explain why he can't draw for shit.

Re:obligatory comment (1, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246825)

Be that as it may, many are turning against non sequitur pop culture quotations as humor; xkcd 307 is a particularly relevant example.

They're doing it because they don't like being left out when average people quote movies and television series they haven't seen. I learned a long time ago that appearing to be smart and intellectual all the time comes at a cost to my social life -- it's better to keep my education and intelligence "in my pocket" as it were. If that means knowing a few facts about the current mix of reality TV shows, and picking up a celebrity gossip magazine here and there, so be it. It just means that I have plans friday night while my geek friends sit at home grinding on World of Warcraft.

Re:obligatory comment (1)

Rip Dick (1207150) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247559)

Soooo what are you doing next Friday?

Re:obligatory comment (1)

SL Baur (19540) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248781)

It just means that I have plans friday night while my geek friends sit at home grinding on World of Warcraft.

My plans for next Friday are to run heroics with my wife to help get her new level 80 geared up. Best of both worlds, I suppose.

Re:obligatory comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246943)

holy shit. i thought you always ignored all responses to anything you post. guess that's not the case when there's egg on your face and you feel a little miffed about something, eh? funny how that works.

Re:obligatory comment (0)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246709)

It means "we've heard that joke too much & are sick of it." Your code word for this is obligatory, but since there's no "-1 Obligatory" the moderator used "-1 Redundant" which is actually a pretty common usage.

In Soviet Russia, Joke has heard YOU too much!

(sorry, I couldn't resist...)

Re:obligatory comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246855)

Hey now, that's funny. Soviet Russia still has a lot of potential IMO because, although it's 99% formulaic, the formula actually yields different results for different input. With the death-star-moon thing, it's always the same every single fucking time: a moon is mentioned, and then the winking notion that perhaps it's actually the death star, tee hee.

Clearly... (5, Funny)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246381)

They must have asked it something that wasn't on the script!

Re:Clearly... (1)

SpoodyGoon (1574025) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246397)

I thought it but you had the guts to say it.

Re:Clearly... (4, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246603)

That's no call centre, that's the Moon!

Japan (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246645)

I barely remember as a kid, folks used to make fun of Japanese made stuff.

Then the 80s came.

If your kids don't have any genius level talent - and I'm mean they leave their peers in the dust without any assistance from you - encourage them to go to law school and become some sort of elected official. In the near future, if you're not some sort of Government VIP, you'll be little people. Joseph P. Kennedy was so far ahead of his time for pushing his kids into politics. Why else would a multimillionaire (made illegally - allegedly did business with Al Capone- and by means that became illegal) push his kids into Government?

Re:Japan (1, Offtopic)

Dreadneck (982170) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246843)

Joseph P. Kennedy was so far ahead of his time for pushing his kids into politics.

Joe Kennedy was not ahead of his time. What he did has been done repeatedly down through the ages - first aquire wealth then establish your line firmly within the ruling/governing class.

Re:Clearly... (2, Funny)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246737)

I dunno. Maybe they just need to call tech support....

Naah, it's just the greys. (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247989)

They shot it down, and the thing in is pieces on moon-land. India didn't secure the proper intergalactical alien green card space visitor visa passport stamps before their visit. They thought they could just show up and drive around the moon a bit.

They can find it (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246391)

They could just use a a telescope and look for the telltale trail of brown unbathed stink mist wafting off of it.

Or, as Toucan Sam once said, "follow your nose", since the smelloscope hasn't yet been invented.

rfc1149 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246417)

shortly before contact was lost the system was upgraded to be rfc1149 compliant

Re:rfc1149 (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246867)

Hmm, they must have missed the part about 'low altitude'...

Re:rfc1149 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248163)

I think someone must have been weezing the juice...

Hopefully... (2, Informative)

Sawopox (18730) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246433)

They will at least find out what happened. The more efficient space agencies we have exploring, the better overall for the planet.

Makes the game more fun.

Was the satellite outsourced for design and build? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246455)

Failure was created during the design process, the Indians didn't outsource the work, so they built it themselves. We all know how bad their tech support is along with many "programmers" which come from there.

Re:Was the satellite outsourced for design and bui (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246973)

I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

Re:Was the satellite outsourced for design and bui (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247579)

I'd agree with that. Just like everywhere else, some of them are brilliant and others not so much. I've certainly seen my share of poorly skilled Indian IT workers, but also some folks who are extremely good at what they do. Again, just like everywhere else.

Re:Was the satellite outsourced for design and bui (4, Insightful)

Quothz (683368) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247679)

I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

I've met a number of 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that people don't actually suck at tech. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

Re:Was the satellite outsourced for design and bui (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248401)

I've met a number of people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that people don't actually suck at being human. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into human-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.

Bollywood's Apollo 13 (5, Funny)

moon3 (1530265) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246477)

Hey India, maned mission next time around, show us some drama.

Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246579)

"Maned" mission, eh? Are they sending lions into space to orbit the moon now?

Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247557)

MIssion control has quickly invested the rest of their budget in a Bollywood-made lunar landing.

Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 (2, Funny)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248407)

It's just a pause before it breaks out in song and dance...

Bollywood.

Re:Bollywood's Apollo 13 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248607)

Yep, Rest assured Tom Hanks will defi be proud of that.

Aliens... (1)

Gravedigger3 (888675) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246497)

have a base on the dark side. Obviously they are to blame.

Re:Aliens... (-1, Redundant)

ledow (319597) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246609)

I say we nuke the entire site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure.

Re:Aliens... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247425)

i'm glad the mods voted down your piece of shit comment. it's not funny. i thought nerds would be and could be more creative. why do you all just recirculate stupid memes?

Re:Aliens... (1)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248289)

why do you all just recirculate stupid memes?

In Soviet Russia, stupid memes recirculate YOU!

Re:Aliens... (5, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246813)

I suppose they could have a mobile base that continually moves so as to always stay on the dark side, but wouldn't it make more sense to just put it on the far side and leave it there?

Re:Aliens... (1)

Eevee (535658) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247407)

But then they'd have to invest in suntan lotion. You can't have excessive sunlight ruining that pale gray skin tone.

Go India! (5, Insightful)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246615)

Before this thread fills up completely with cynical wisecracking Americans, let me be the first to say, as a cynical wisecracking American, go India!

Seriously. You guys have a very solid set of rockets, a good broad focus (China's too focused on manned missions), and the technical skills to make it happen.

See you at Jupiter someday!

Re:Go India! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246673)

But do not attempt landing on Europa.

Re:Go India! (0, Troll)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247913)

Better than attempt land on Uranus.

Mod Parent Down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248089)

I do not want to go into details, but Bender Unit 22 is once again trolling. His juvenile preschool attitude throughout his posts show that he obviously must be banned from the site. I therefore recommend that you mod down this post and all future posts belonging to him. Amen.

Re:Go India! (4, Insightful)

quarterbuck (1268694) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246675)

The whole mission cost only $75 million, about 7 times the Ansari X-Prize (still considerably bigger than Google Lunar X-Prize though). That's pretty cheap for a full moonshot and satellite. So I guess India can afford to lose a few satellites here and there.
Last month they had a malfunction and pulled the satellite up from a 100km orbit to a 200 km one , so the images are of lower quality than planned. I am guessing there will be another moonshot now, considering they just started calling this the "Chandrayan-1" instead of "Chandrayan" with no numbers next to it.

Sigh (4, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248425)

I wish that ppl would stop trying to assign DOLLAR figures to China, Indian, or any other country that ties their money to a certain money. Saying that it cost 75 million is plain wrong (most estimates in India show it to be in the $90-95 million). Right now, the Rupee is FORCED by India to trade at 48 rupee to a dollar. According to most economist, it should be around half of that, or possibly less (more difficult to pin this down, than say the Chinese games with Yuans). As such, the missions is around $150-200 million. But, that is STILL not the full truth. The majority of expensive instruments on the sat are from different countries. Basically, the LAUNCH is what costs about $100-150 million, with the sat being less than $50 million. And at a 100 million per launch, they are on par with America, Russia, and EU.

I am not trying to belittle their efforts. In fact, far from it. I applaud them and hope that we will bring them into the ISS down the road. BUT, I still prefer that ppl are honest about what is going on.

Re:Go India! (2, Informative)

dangle (1381879) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247031)

There's an interesting (for many reasons) video on the Chandrayaan site:

http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/resources_videoCrater.htm [isro.org]

In it, they allude to India as having the second highest number of scientists in the world.

Overall, a successful mission, given the difficulty and chance of failure (Item 20 in their FAQ):

http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/faqs.htm [isro.org]

Re:Go India! (5, Informative)

FleaPlus (6935) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247429)

Before this thread fills up completely with cynical wisecracking Americans, let me be the first to say, as a cynical wisecracking American, go India!

Seriously. You guys have a very solid set of rockets, a good broad focus (China's too focused on manned missions), and the technical skills to make it happen.

Also, I found it a little strange that the BBC article didn't mention this, but the Chandrayaan-1 had already been in successful operation for 312 days and had completed all of its primary mission goals. It had already collected plenty of scientific data, distributed to not just Indian scientists but also collaborators in Europe and the US. Of course, another year would be nice, but I'd consider the project a stunning success by just about any reasonable definition, especially since it was India's first ever lunar probe.

I look forward to India's Chandrayaan-2, which is planned to land a robotic rover on the Moon in 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-1#Completion_of_primary_objectives [wikipedia.org]

Re:Go India! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247515)

don't tell me they plan to launch it in late nov./early dec.

Re:Go India! (-1, Troll)

radtea (464814) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247529)

Also, I found it a little strange that the BBC article didn't mention this, but the Chandrayaan-1 had already been in successful operation for 312 days and had completed all of its primary mission goals.

What's strange about the Western media ignoring the enormous positive achievements of anyone with brown skin? We only do it if said person is an athlete (physical achievement is so primitive) or there is significant Western input into the achievement (so we can feel good about how we are helping the backward peoples of the Earth along... just so long as they never quite catch up to us.)

The 21st century will belong to India, and they are earning it with intelligence, democracy, education and a political culture that is insanely chaotic yet somehow kinda sorta mostly works well enough often enough that the country keeps moving in a direction not too far from forward.

Re:Go India! (2, Interesting)

winwar (114053) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247959)

"What's strange about the Western media ignoring the enormous positive achievements of anyone..."

There. Fixed it for you.

News: We did it, allies did it (maybe), perceived threat did it (China, Russia, etc.)

Not News: Pretty much anybody else.

Re:Go India! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248641)

I don't hide that I'm a Chinese-American, but I found it's interesting to see the general negative attitude towards China, even on things purely scientific. Can you elaborate on which space project that India has done or is planning to do is not already been accomplished or on the todo list of Chinese space agency? And why that is qualified as "a good broad focus" while the other isn't?

So they called tech support... (4, Funny)

prisoner-of-enigma (535770) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246625)

OPERATOR: Hello, my name is Prakesh Vijay Chandrashekar Subrayaman, but please call me "Bob." What seems to be the problem today?

MISSION CONTROL: We've lost communications with our lunar satellite.

"BOB": I see. Well, have you tried rebooting the system?

MC: There is no system to reboot. It's a satellite, not a PC!

"BOB": I see. Well, have you checked to see if the power cord is plugged into the device?

MC: Are you not listening? There is no power cord, it's a *satellite*.

"BOB": I see. Well, sir, I'll need you to find the original CD-ROM that came with the satellite and put it into the CD-ROM drive, the turn the power off, then turn it back on again.

MC: OK, this is getting ridiculous, "Bob". I thought this was the satellite technical support line. Do you know anything about *satellites*?

"BOB": I see. Well, let me see what I can do. Can I place you on hold for four or five hours?

MC: -- click --

Re:So they called tech support... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246749)

You sir, are completely out of touch with tech support scripts. I'm glad your attempt at humor failed so spectacularly.

Re:So they called tech support... (2, Funny)

1s44c (552956) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246949)

You sir, are completely out of touch with tech support scripts.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Now go and unplug your dam satellite and hold the reset button down whilst plugging it in.

Re:So they called tech support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246797)

You've got it all wrong. To save money they off shored it to Vietnam.

Re:So they called tech support... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248033)

You left out the part where they say in indianglish
"BOB": We're very sorry that you are experiencing this problem. This problem is by our hand and we will take care of it. Once again, we are very sorry, now can you please begin by giving me your first name?
MC: Mission
"BOB": OK "Mission", can you now give me your last name?
MC: Control
"BOB": OK Mr. "Control", do you mind if I call you "Mission"?
MC: Uhm, OK.
"BOB": OK, "Mission" can you look for me on the side of your satellite and read me the service tag on the sticker?
MC: It's in freaking space.
"BOB": We're very sorry sir that you are becoming agitated, but we cannot find your account without the service tag to work with.
MC: Go frak yourself.

captcha: Mooned

Re:So they called tech support... (2, Funny)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248267)

It's Mission Control's fault, for calling the Toshiba Satellite tech support number.

Aliens (1)

Groggnrath (1089073) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246629)

Of course you know what this means. Alien invasion. And not the good kind like they have on the playboy channel late at night.

I for one welcome our new satellite crushing overlords.

Re:Aliens (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247111)

No no no, it was supposed to be headed for Mars when they got it! And we missed out on the video feed.

data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid decel (4, Funny)

Locutus (9039) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246631)

Could it be that the last few seconds of data shows no sign of altitude loss and rapid deceleration?
Maybe it ran into a rather large, mostly colorless, and smooth monolith.

LoB

Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece (4, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246865)

Blessed Ganesha, it's full of cows!

Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece (1)

puddles (147314) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248405)

+5 would laugh again

Re:data shows no sign of altitude loss, rapid dece (2, Funny)

drspliff (652992) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248507)

Enjoyed reading post, A++++ slashdotter, would read again.

manufacturer? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246693)

I got the impression the satellite was less Indian than International (or at least there were American payload on board), so the datalink equipment may not be of Indian in origin (too many cooks spoiled the broth; see also Boeing 787).

Re:manufacturer? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248465)

No, the expensive instruments were other countries. The backbone was India's (power system, comm link, etc). Now, as to losing communication with the sat, give it time. It is possible that it will be regained. It could be a simple issue, that will be solved.

reboot ? (2, Funny)

georgeav (965554) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246701)

Have they tried turning it off and on again?

Re:reboot ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246755)

If all contacts have been lost, how you can you reboot it remotely?

Re:reboot ? (2, Informative)

lxt518052 (720422) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246887)

Watchdog.

Re:reboot ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247341)

Watchdog.

it saddens me that most people here probably don't know what that means.

Re:reboot ? (5, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247967)

For the uninformed:

When the Soviets launched Sputnik 2 a small dog was on board. The dog had been trained to monitor the primitive electronics on board. Unfortunately the dog was not that good at monitoring the life support equipment and died of suffocation. The idea lived on though but now we use monkeys. They tend to be a little smarter and they can turn dials in addition to pushing buttons. Most commercial satellites now launch with monkeys aboard.

The world is not okay (2, Funny)

brusk (135896) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246757)

2009 was the year the Indian lunar satellite went out of control.

Re:The world is not okay (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247847)

Just a thought, but, "Out Sourcing to India", didn't quite have the benefits everyone thought?

Re:The world is not okay (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248677)

i don't get this.

Please do the needful! (3, Informative)

Random Q. Hacker (137687) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246871)

If the needful had been done, this would not have happened.

Re:Please do the needful! (1)

davek (18465) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247021)

two years after becoming the only American developer at my company, and I am starting to realize that "doing the needful" is not just an error in translation.

Anonymous Coward (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246875)

Not bad for a first try. Read a bit about the first Russian, US, Chinese and European efforts.

Huh? (1)

readin (838620) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246881)

Wait, India has its own moon? and that moon has a satellite? And we now have eight planets instead of nine?

I think the Indians stole something...

Re:Huh? (1)

atomic-penguin (100835) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247105)

Haha, that's how I read it too. India has their own moon, it is news to me.

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246961)

A communications disruption can mean only one thing. Invasion.

Link to another forum- same topic (3, Informative)

Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) | more than 5 years ago | (#29246971)

A more detailed discussion - from the Indian viewpoint. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4395&start=1440 [bharat-rakshak.com]

Re:Link to another forum- same topic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247029)

A more detailed discussion - from the Indian viewpoint.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4395&start=1440 [bharat-rakshak.com]

Indian viewpoint? You mean begging for money?

Blame Obama (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29246997)

Oh No! A risky endeavor from a non-American entity has been foiled! There's got to be some way we can blame the U.S.A. for this.

Governor Sio Bibble (0, Redundant)

joeasian (1056578) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247003)

A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion.

Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (5, Interesting)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247263)

Orbiting the moon is a lot harder than orbiting the earth. The moon's gravitational field is exceptionally lumpy [wikipedia.org] because of concentrations of mass beneath the surface. If not actively corrected for, these mass concentrations will make a satellite's orbit go through increasingly violent gyrations until it eventually intersects with the surface.

I wonder if this is what happened to the Indian probe.

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (0)

I.M.O.G. (811163) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247925)

If not actively corrected for, these mass concentrations will make a satellite's orbit go through increasingly violent gyrations until it eventually intersects with the surface.

While that sounds pretty good, I'm fairly certain from a logical standpoint the odds of impacting the moon are as good or worse than the odds of leaving orbit and flying out into space. (Especially with the low gravity levels of the moon.)

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (2, Insightful)

RocketRocketship (1416283) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247961)

While that sounds pretty good, I'm fairly certain from a logical standpoint the odds of impacting the moon are as good or worse than the odds of leaving orbit and flying out into space. (Especially with the low gravity levels of the moon.)

I'm less than certain. Intersecting with the Moon would only require changes in ellipticity, whereas causing the satellite to become unbound would require a considerable increase in the satellite's kinetic energy.

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (4, Insightful)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248105)

No.

The lumps of heavier density inside the moon caused localized areas of increased gravity which tries to pull the satellite down. There is no force, except that provided by any motors on board the satellite, that would sent it out towards space.

What school of logic do you claim as an Alma Mata?

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (1)

I.M.O.G. (811163) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248701)

What you said actually makes sense upon further thought. I wouldn't call myself certain in either line of thought currently.

My original thought was that after going through an area of increased gravitational pull, then hitting an area of lower gravitational pull, the satellite's trajectory would be altered in such a way over time that it could break free from the gravitational effect of the moon if it hits a lower gravitational field at a necessary point within its altered orbital path.

Now what I'm curious about is if we'd know if the satellite impacted the moon. With the minimal moon atmosphere, I'd expect the satellite to create a pretty good impact/crater when it crashes down. With other satellites orbiting and creating imagery of the moon's surface, would we know if it crashed down, or even where it would have impacted?

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248079)

There's a "yo mama" joke in there somewhere...

Re:Orbiting the moon is exceptionally difficult (1)

quarterbuck (1268694) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248357)

No. They had an earlier malfunction which was corrected by pulling the satellite up from a lower orbit. They were flying fine at 100 Km altitude earlier, and they moved it up to 200 km [isro.org] to be safe. They were actively studying gravitational perturbations of the surface, so it is unlikely that they did not plan for such an eventuality.
The Official press release [isro.org] seems to indicate that it was a communications failure this time. The contact was lost abruptly this time. If it was falling I would assume that there would be a good quarter an hour before losing control at 200Km and slamming into the ground.

Secret Moon Base (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29247267)

So there is a secret moon base. That satellite was on the verge of discovering it.

The conspiracy hypothesists were created so when the eventual discovery of the moonbase happens. It will seem crazy.

Cheyenne mountain got shut down remember? Obviously stargate program moved to the next best place.

In other news... (1, Flamebait)

bmo (77928) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247333)

A radio signal was detected from the Moon and appears to be aimed at Io.

--
BMO

Oh My! (1)

AnnonUSA (1235292) | more than 5 years ago | (#29247895)

Can't they just call the Satellite Call Support center?

Communications lost when Indians moon satellite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#29248177)

I really should get some sleep :-)

Communications were fine upto a hieght (1)

funnybunnny (1627721) | more than 5 years ago | (#29248655)

Then the cable snapped.
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