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Apple Blames 'External Forces' For Exploding iPhones

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the don't-keep-it-in-your-pocket dept.

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Shome writes "Apple has stated that there is no evidence that recent iPhone explosions reported by users are connected to overheating of batteries. It may be stated that French consumer affairs authorities have started their own investigation on the reported explosions, some of which have caused minor injuries to the users, and are studying the phone's safety features. The Inquirer runs a piece that blames Apple for blaming its customers. 'This mysterious force is not God, or a rival religion, nor does it require any metaphysics to understand. An "external force" is just Apple's term for the black shirted people who believe that everything that Apple makes is wonderful. It is what other companies call their "customers," writes Nick Farrell.'"

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External Forces = Pressure (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261115)

Some idiots SIT on their phones. And they expect a thin glass+electronics+thin metal/plastic shell to NOT break?

Come on.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (5, Insightful)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261237)

Of course you shouldn't expect it not to break. But an explosion? That's unacceptable.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (3, Funny)

AshtangiMan (684031) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261351)

I keep my iPhone in my back pocket. It's not directly under me, taking my full weight, but I am partially sitting on it. So far no explosions. Also today I am wearing a black shirt. Though, I'd like to say in my defense that I don't always wear black shirts.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (5, Informative)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261683)

I know little about these specific explosions, but modern high-density batteries pack a heckuva lotta energy into a tiny package. If mechanical damage causes an electrical cell-short, you can expect that energy release to be pretty dramatic. If not an explosion, certainly a rapid heat discharge. That's tough to design around unless you just make the thing bigger and heavier to withstand the pressures exerted by the worst-case ass-press.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (5, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262035)

Precisely.

I wonder what explanation Apple's engineers have for the laptops that spontaneously smoked & sizzled? I think it's clear the flaw lies in the Lithium battery not the user, and Apple should simply SAY that rather than deny it. Like so: "Dell recently started it's corporate blog called dellone2one.com. One of posts is dedicated to Dell's infamous "flaming notebook" from Osaka. Dell thinks that it was a fault in a lithium ion battery cell, which caused laptop to burn.

"Dell's engineering teams are working with the Consumer Product Safety Commission and a third-party failure analysis lab to determine the root cause of this failure and to ensure we take all appropriate measures to help prevent a recurrence", says post. LINK: http://laptoping.com/wp-content/flaming_laptop.jpg [laptoping.com] LINK: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/sony-beancounters-tremble-as-own-vaio-batteries-come-home-to-roost-208031.php [gizmodo.com] LINK: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/gizmodo-reader-witnesses-ibm-laptop-catch-fire-at-lax-201115.php [gizmodo.com]

I'm glad all my laptops use NiMH, since it's been around quite a big longer (almost 20 years) and the bugs have been removed. I'm sure Lithium batteries will be a great product to own... circa 2020.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (5, Informative)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261885)

Have you see the pics? These phones have severely cracked screens, but 90% of the glass is still there... This is not exactly an "explosion" though the imact in a few cases caused the LiIon battery pack to outgas or "pop"

In every case reviewed thus far however, "external pressure" clearly indicated the force was a twisting or bending, or an impact on the glass itself pushing in. The glass is not boken outwards, so any glass discharged from the device, per the evidence presented, was likely shot up from the impact with ground, or a couple of kids were wrestling over the device and bent it in such a was to send glass shards outward.

NO evidence of the battery, or the glass itself, being a fault has been shown in any of these cases. Though little is public information, Apple has libberously documented each suspected case for a device returned to them for examination, and it;s consistant evidence.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262159)

Apple has libberously documented each suspected case...

Spell Different

Re:External Forces = Pressure (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261893)

So you are the kind of guy that appreciates the stickers instructing you not to put your hand in a running lawnmower?

Re:External Forces = Pressure (4, Funny)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262133)

Hello, nice to meet you! I think I've met your friend before, but I don't quite...Mr. Strawman, is it?

Lawnmowers cut things, hands included. Coffee is hot, and it can sear skin just like any other kind of hot water. Reasonable people expect these things. Reasonable people should not expect that their phone, which is designed to be placed next to the head to make phone calls, could explode if the screen cracks. A reasonable person might expect some kind of danger to the person using the phone if one had, say, run the phone over with a car, and if that's what these people were doing then maybe they got what one would expect. But if it was caused by a minor shock or a particularly heavy guy sitting on it, the design of the phone should not be such that it would explode.

Re:External Forces = Pressure (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262003)

Some idiots SIT on their phones. And they expect a thin glass+electronics+thin metal/plastic shell to NOT break?

Yes. It is a phone, it is designed to be kept in pockets, of course you can sit on it!

An iPhone might be to big and heavy to carry in most pockets, but that's just another flaw. Phones should be able to fit in a pocket, and withstand the forces applied to it where it is usually kept.

Anonymous Coward. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261117)

First exploding post!!!!!

Re:Anonymous Coward. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261249)

teh fail

normal for Apple (5, Informative)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261129)

check out the Macrumors forums. people bought iMacs a few years ago and LCD's started to go after the warranty expired. The Genius's called the customers crazy. Only reason Apple payed out money with the nvidia chipsets is because they got the money from nvidia.

there was a hard drive clicking issue with current MBP's and 7200rpm drives, including freeze ups. people took them to Apple stores and were told it was a feature.

Re:normal for Apple (5, Funny)

ichthyoboy (1167379) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261339)

there was a hard drive clicking issue with current MBP's and 7200rpm drives, including freeze ups. people took them to Apple stores and were told it was a feature.

the iMetronome?

Re:normal for Apple (5, Informative)

not already in use (972294) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261781)

I bought a first gen MacBook Pro. During manufacturing there was so much thermal paste put on the processor, graphics chip and northbridge that it caked out onto the motherboard and was actually insulating from the copper heatsink. It was a well known manufacturing issue that Apple never acknowledged even though every 1st gen up to a certain point was affected by it. I have pictures of mine, personally, that I took apart, voiding the warranty, to fix.

Re:normal for Apple (4, Informative)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261951)

lol, it WAS a feature. It's a feature of the drop detection system. Unfortunately, the system in the Seagate HDD was much more sensitive, or conflicted with Apple's own protection system built into the macbook, and it took SEAGATE a couple of weeks to develop a patch that Apple tested and then distributed. It only effected a few thousand machines where the disk was upgraded to a non-default selection, and this disk from Seagate should NOT have had this system enabled in the first place. (and the drives apple initially tested did not have this feature enabled, but seagate changed the firmware without changing the model number in later shipping drives, causing the issue, this is a common logistics issue in manufacturing, and segate should have clarified the change with a revision number or notified apple to retest the drives)

Thanks for spreading more FUD and making a 3rd party vendor's firmware issues look like Apple's fault...

Re:normal for Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261985)

It was a feature. There were two different systems running to prevent high-g damage (from a drop). Apple's and the HDD manufacturers.

They were not working together as planned and that noise was the result. Apple has since released an update to address the problem.

Ya know... (4, Insightful)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261135)

Sometimes it is the customer's fault.

Re:Ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261223)

Sometimes it is the customer's fault.

... funny how the only reports of exploding phones have come from France.

Perhaps someone has an axe to grind and has tampered with a batch which landed in France.

Time will tell I suppose. Certainly safety is a priority for a device like the iPhone as its used for just about everything except sex and washing!

AJ

Re:Ya know... (0, Offtopic)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261307)

sex and washing

There's an app for that! Or I'm just brainwashed by the iPhone commercials...

Re:Ya know... (1)

Turiko (1259966) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262005)

I live in belgium, one exploded here too. I also heard about one exploding the Netherlands.

Re:Ya know... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261255)

Sure. It's the customers' own damn fault for buying Apple in the first place. Apple Just Works, except for the unlucky few. A small sacrifice, really. A few must die* that His Jobsness may be vindicated.

*Figuratively speaking, thus far. One may hope it stays that way.

Re:Ya know... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261263)

Yeah sure, it is never Apples fault.

Re:Ya know... (1, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261487)

Yeah sure, it is never Apples fault.

Oh please. On Slashdot Apple's guilty until proven innocent.

Re:Ya know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261701)

Oh please. On Slashdot Apple's guilty until proven innocent.

Is there any corporation that this isn't true for?

Re:Ya know... (1)

TeXMaster (593524) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261817)

Oh please. On Slashdot Apple's guilty until proven innocent.

Is there any corporation that this isn't true for?

Microsoft, obviously. Especially here on /.

Re:Ya know... (1)

ShecoDu (447850) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261811)

Yeah sure, it is never Apples fault.

Oh please. On Slashdot Apple's guilty until proven to be linux.

Fixed it for you.

Re:Ya know... (4, Interesting)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261445)

Sometimes it is the customer's fault.

Boy is that true. I have an XBOX 360 I don't play very often. I dusted it off when Ghostbusters came out. Up until I got this game, I had the system sitting vertical. When I hooked it up for GB, I had it laying flat. While playing the game, the fan noise was really bad, worse than it was when I had played it months before. I wondered if rotating it vertically would reduce the fan noise. So, I picked it up, turned it, and *SCREECH*. I pulled the disc out and it had a nice circular scratch on it. Yes, I was that stupid.

My friends didn't understand why I bought another copy of the game instead of taking it back. They all had suggestions for the excuses I could use and all that. Given the cost of the game, I probably could have gotten mad at Microsoft, and people would have rallied behind me. "Well the system should have been designed better! I never scratched a disc moving my laptop or dvd player!!" I didn't feel right about that, though. It was my fault.

This post is semi-off-topic, so I figure I'll at least share a little bit of useful info. After I scratched this game, I thoguht it'd be worth trying to recover the disc. I bought a MadCatz DVD repair kit from GameStop. It worked. My scratched copy of Ghostbusters was restored (at least partially, I haven't attempted an installed) and it made one of my old DVDs playable again. It wasn't the fastest thing in the world to do, but it could have saved me $60.

Re:Ya know... (0, Offtopic)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261497)

Wow, thanks for that warning.

*Scribbles in important notes book*

Never... turn 360 on side... in operation. Got it.

Re:Ya know... (3, Insightful)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261613)

Considering the cost of making a disc is virtually nil, and you could have taken your disc in to prove it was damaged while in use, I think you had a perfectly good reason to exchange it for a new one. It's not an excuse, its a valid exchange. Damaged software is cheap and easy to replace. The only squabble is potential pirating when exchanging a functional disc. Obviously not functional means no worries about that.

Re:Ya know... (1, Informative)

superdana (1211758) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261773)

Yes, I recall reading a warning about this in (I think) the literature that came with my 360.

Re:Ya know... (3, Informative)

stickrnan (1290752) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261777)

Most publishers will replace damaged discs for a fee. I think the going rate these days is about $20.

Re:Ya know... (1)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262115)

To tie this into the topic...

I brought in a company MBP (2007 ed.) with the same circular scratches on my OSX disk. The laptop was not moved in any way during the OS install, and this was clearly an Apple defunct drive.

When I took the disk and the MBP into the genius bar, they told me that that could not be the case. Lucky for them, I am not their grandparents, and had a previously burned music disk (worthless to me) to put in and show them. Come to find out later, it was an acknowledged issue, and they deny it as long as possible to get it out of warranty.

In Apple's defense, they replaced the superdrive, AND my OS disk. It just took undeniable proof.

Not really. (5, Insightful)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261537)

For apple products, when the mantra is "It just works" ... and the software is built on a very small number of in-house designed products, it shouldn't be the customer's fault.

Take windows (or linux) - if you can't get something to work correctly, or the wrong drivers/settings fry your hard drive from parking the head incorrectly (or whatever), then you can blame the customer. But when apple designs the product, from start to finish, it should very rarely be the customer's fault, especially when in normal usage.

Normal usage, you ask? In my world, normal usage means occasionally (very infrequently) leaving a laptop on inside a case, and expecting it *not* to fry because of poor thermal design. It also involves getting the occasional splash of liquid on my gadgets. And, you know, keeping my phone in my pants, where it will heat up if it isn't designed properly.

Normal usage is *not* exploding batteries, exceptionally short lived LCDs or GPUs that don't live long unless the fan is on full speed, all the time. And when these thing occur, I expect (and have always received) good support from my hardware vendor.

And no, I do not buy apple. Sure, they have great warranty service... if you buy the applecare. But I can get that sort of extended warranty from almost any vendor - The difference? Those vendors don't have retail locations like apple.

Re:Not really. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29262187)

For apple products, when the mantra is "It just works" ... and the software is built on a very small number of in-house designed products, it shouldn't be the customer's fault.

Oh, so if I do an "sudo rm -rf /" it isn't my fault? How does this make sense to you? Idiot.

Re:Ya know... (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261833)

Sometimes it is the customer's fault.

Not when "it" involves a consumer product exploding, and "the customer" is a whole lot of customers.

Re:Ya know... (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262073)

Sometimes it is the customer's fault.

Not when "it" involves a consumer product exploding, and "the customer" is a whole lot of customers.

How many reports? Under 5? In how many countries?

external forces + high numbers = problem (5, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261153)

Sure, it may be "external forces" like accidently dropped phones, high- or low humidities or temperatures, or what-not, but if the iPhone explosion rate is higher than competitive phones, you have to ask yourself why iPhones are so fragile.

Come on Apple, find the cause and unless it's customers deliberately abusing their phones, fix it.

Re:external forces + high numbers = problem (4, Interesting)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261461)

you're talking about episodes, not rate, the rate figure is not so high because there are more iphone out there than other smartphones and because those are the shiny gadget of the week so more reports comes to the news. for the actual rate you have to divide the episodes by the sold units

some perspective from 2007:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5938 [zdnet.com] - Nokia issued a product advisory for its BL-5C battery. The problem: The battery, which may affect as many as 46 million devices, could explode. what's the rate of that, compared to 5/10/100 thousand episodes?

Re:external forces + high numbers = problem (5, Informative)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261745)

Sure, it may be "external forces" like accidently dropped phones, high- or low humidities or temperatures, or what-not, but if the iPhone explosion rate is higher than competitive phones, you have to ask yourself why iPhones are so fragile.

Come on Apple, find the cause and unless it's customers deliberately abusing their phones, fix it.

Let's see - single digit reports, all in one country; hardly enough data to determine anything, other than a few screens broke in France. No evidences of "explosions" Apple should certainly look into it, but at this point it's hard to tell what is wrong or who's fault it is. Until Apple gets the phones, pulls them apart and see's what happened everyone, including Apple, is guessing.

If it is an iPhone problem, I wonder why the issue is so localized; I'd expect a design flaw to show up more often and more evenly spread over a production run.

Personally, my experience with Apple addressing issues that point to design flaws is good - I've had 2 MB's keyboards replaced, free of charge with 1 day turnaround, due to cracking issues. One was way out of warranty, yet they fixed it for free.

Re:external forces + high numbers = problem (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261991)

if the iPhone explosion rate is higher than competitive phones,

Is it? It isn't news if a freebie Nokia explodes. I'm not saying that has ever happened, but I don't think it would be international news if it did.

Re:external forces + high numbers = problem (4, Insightful)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262079)

It's actually extremely LOW compared to other phones, and further, "external force" is NOT a manufacturers concern. You're suggesting somehow that if a rash of people go around sitting on their G1s that Google should recall them???

There have been "in the single digits" reported cases of iPhones and iTouch COMBINED "exploding" There are over 80Million of these devices in circulation. Further, each and every case thus far has either been proven to be false (many of the supposed "exploding phones" did not even HAVE rup[tured batteries after examination), or the phones have not been turned over for examination and no explanation of why not is being provided (likely because they realized Apple called their bluff when they tried to cheat the warranty).

5 or 10 out of 40 million, not to mention the over 100 million additional iPods in circulation that also use a LiIon battery, is by no means in risk. in most states, your odds of winning a $1M plus lottery is higher then being the victim of an exploding device, let alone actually being HURT by one. More, the 3GS and all the new apple laptops do not USE LiIon batteries... They use LiPo, which is not subject to outgassing, cascade failure, or other hazards from being dropped, and the primary cause of LiIon failure (shorting), is not a problem with LiPo as they can handle the electric dispursion at extremely high rates without catching fire... They're basically safer than any other form of battery in circulation.

Re:external forces + high numbers = problem (1)

CodingHero (1545185) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262123)

Come on Apple, find the cause and unless it's customers deliberately abusing their phones, fix it.

Perhaps they should reject customers they think will misuse or make a negative blog post about the iPhone, must like they reject apps they don't like from the app store?

Customer: "I'd like an iPhone please."
Apple: "Sorry you're not cool enough, plus you look like a klutz so you'll probably just break it anyway and then try to blame us."

See also: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/12/ [penny-arcade.com]

Track record (4, Informative)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261161)

..because Apple doesnt have a track record for selling devices that explode. They certainly didn't recall 1.8 million iBook and POwerBook batteries in 2006. Definately not.

Re:Track record (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261355)

To be fair, those batteries were made by Sony.

Re:Track record (2, Interesting)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261505)

To be fair, those batteries were made by Sony.

Apple doesn't make anything itself. What's the point?

Re:Track record (2, Interesting)

ukyoCE (106879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261661)

It's hard to tell, but I believe the OP was being sarcastic. The point is that Apple DID recall millions of Powerbook batteries that were exploding. Therefore they have a history of admitting and recalling when there IS a legitimate problem with a product.

People damage their cell phones and ipods all the time. My cell phone is covered with scratches because I put it in my pocket with my keys. Only an idiot would blame the manufacturer for getting scratched by sharp metal objects. Yet when it comes to Apple, you see news article after news article because, surprise! Apple products can be damaged by mistreatment.

Re:Track record (1)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262167)

The point is, there is in fact a legally binding contract agreement of qaulity, and an expectation that fully assembled components in a 3rd party device are back ended by the primary manufacturer. Apple if theydeem necessary can recall the iPhone, but the company that makes the batteries would have to agree to further recall those, and be shown they were in fact faulte (and likely be forced to do so by government or breech of contract with Apple as this would likely bankrupt the battery company with little financial impact to Apple).

However, since in this case we actually do NOT know for certain who makes these batteries (we know who supplies the raw calls, but not who the final manuafcturer is), and we further know Apple does have a battery manufacturing plant for their laptops, so it's possible Apple in fact is making these batteries in house.)

Re:Track record (2, Insightful)

andymadigan (792996) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261547)

They were sold by Apple. This is sold by Apple, is there any reason to believe there couldn't ever be another batch of bad batteries? Is there any reason to believe Apple improved their testing to deal with higher-than-clean-room environments?

Re:Track record (5, Insightful)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261789)

I actually see the Sony-battery recall as being a reason to believe Apple on this one. With the Sony recall, they realized that there was a problem with their batteries; they were worried that it was going to bite them in the ass; and they issued a recall. That's responsible to the public and to the stock-holders. In this case, they looked into it and decided that there was no recall necessary. The fact that they issued a massively expensive recall before and aren't doing the same thing now tells me that they believe what they're saying.

Note: I'm not an Apple fanboi. To my knowledge, I do not nor have I ever owned an Apple product.

Re:Track record (3, Interesting)

Nossie (753694) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261887)

which part of the device did Apple actually make?

batteries by sony...
hdisks by hitachie and western digital...
motherboards by asus and foxcomm ...

where do you draw the line? The only thing apple can take responsibility for recently is the PA semiconductor acquisition they made recently and those PPC chips havent been used in apples devices yet.

Sorry I'm still just pissed off like fuck my 64bit VT enabled laptop with 64bit chipset has a fucking 32bit EFI firmware that apple seems to have no intention of updating!

FUCK YOU APPLE! /rant

I think I'm going to buy a mac mini to replace my G4 cube ... not sure the best time to buy tho :-|

Blame (5, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261219)

And I would like to blame the Inquirer for blaming Apple for blaming the customers.

Still plenty of blame to go around...

Re:Blame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261271)

In Soviet Russia, i blame YOU!

Re:Blame (1, Funny)

Quothz (683368) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261305)

Still plenty of blame to go around...

I'm pretty sure that's your fault.

Not quite (4, Insightful)

dissy (172727) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261245)

An "external force" is just Apple's term for the black shirted people who believe that everything that Apple makes is wonderful. It is what other companies call their 'customers'." writes Nick Farrell.'

No, an "external force" is an end user putting the device in an oven at 350 degrees, or driving a nail through the battery.

Both are actions that no manufacturer should be held responsible short of specifically stating one can do such a thing when you can't.

"External forces" do exist, no matter how much you hate one company or another.

While I wouldn't trust Apples own investigation into which end of the spectrum the problem lies, just because you hate Apple does not mean that other end of the spectrum does not exist.

I am not making any claims to which end of things the exploding batteries from Apple falls under. I would tend to suspect only a very small percentage of complaints are from end users abusing their products, and most likely the batteries actually are failing under normal use, but I have no more data to go on than anyone else.

But to claim that it is not physically possible for an end user to abuse their device, and state that 100% of all such failures can not be the cause of anything other than Apple, is just stupid and dishonest.

Of course this is an Apple story, so I will just sit back and wait for the Troll mods and accusations of 'blaming users' or 'defending Apple' or some other crap I haven't done...

Re:Not quite (2, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261333)

I think it's simpler than that, they literally mean "a force has been applied to the device from outside causing it to fail", i.e. it was dropped or struck.

Re:Not quite (4, Informative)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261637)

That's actually what their press release says. From a quote of the statement in the BBC [bbc.co.uk] :

"The iPhones with broken glass that we have analysed to date show that in all cases the glass cracked due to an external force that was applied to the iPhone."

Of course, it is more fun to blame the Eveel Apple and accuse them of being disingenuous, than to actually read what they said.

        -dZ.

Re:Not quite (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262055)

As I was reading the summary, I was wondering if someone was really so demented as to construe 'external force' as a god (rather than something striking of pressing on the phone), or if it was intentional sensationalism.

If it really is intentional sensationalism, it has me looking forward to the future, where I can use technological blinders to ignore the presence of that person on the internet.

Re:Not quite (4, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261365)

The real problem is in their determination. "External Forces" can be quite a few things. Including the two items you mention. However, if you're talking about someone sitting on the phone being one of them (mentioned earlier in this thread...) or perhaps talking "too long" on the phone such that the battery gets " warm " (Which most of the smartphones seem to get that way easily- and it's not the SoC doing it...), you're talking a different story. Which is it? Apple's not saying, which is where some of my concern lies. "External Forces" is a cop-out response. Spell it out as to why they exploded. If you're unwilling to do so, you're covering up something. Dell did. Sony did. Apple even did on their laptops on the Li-Ion batteries there. So why the evasiveness here?

Re:Not quite (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261671)

Apple's not saying, which is where some of my concern lies.

Probably because the investigation's not done yet, so a full report would be jumping to a conclusion, and if there is any legal culpability here, Apple would pretty much be required to shut up until the trial(s) are over.

"External Forces" is a cop-out response.

It's an incomplete response, and implies that they're not done investigating, or that the failures had little else in common.

Spell it out as to why they exploded.

You're assuming they exploded. Apple is saying that the glass cracks are not going the right way. It's like the old mystery novel thing where someone claims their house was broken into, but all the shattered glass is on the ground outside the window, and the person claiming the break-in was lying to cover up something else.

If you're unwilling to do so, you're covering up something. Dell did. Sony did. Apple even did on their laptops on the Li-Ion batteries there. So why the evasiveness here?

Ah, the "you have nothing to hide if you're innocent" fallacy. I seem to remember Apple getting accused of cover-ups before they nailed down the laptop battery problem, too.

The thing that makes me wonder is that I haven't seen anyone cite this incident as evidence of the superiority of removable batteries. Where are they?

Re:Not quite (1)

dzfoo (772245) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261697)

No, the real problem is not reading the source directly and assuming that Apple deliberately used a loaded and ambiguous term. As a matter of fact, the term used by Apple was "an external force", not "external forces":

"The iPhones with broken glass that we have analysed to date show that in all cases the glass cracked due to an external force that was applied to the iPhone."

(Emphasis mine)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8227028.stm [bbc.co.uk]

        -dZ.

Re:Not quite (5, Insightful)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261457)

Agreed. My wife works at an Apple retail store. You wouldn't believe the number of people who get their phone wet, and then deny doing so. A guy brought his 12 year old daughters phone into the store (why a 12 year old needs an iPhone is a different story all together). This phone obviously had water-damage, but the father denied it till the end...even after my wife managed to get the daughter to fess up after asking her a few questions. Even though the daughter admitted to dropping her phone in a vat of gatorade, the father still believed that this was not their problem and insisted that this was a hardware fault. In another case, a woman was talking on her phone in front of the store....in the rain. After taking it in, my wife looked at it and informed her of the obvious water damage. This lady completely denied ever having this phone come into contact with water, even after my wife stated that she just saw her using it in the rain. This lady stormed out of the store, and immediately called someone on the phone....while standing in the rain again. A guy I work with dropped his phone in the ocean and it immediately quit working. He made an appointment, went to the store, and was completely honest about what happened with the sales rep (not my wife). They comped his replacement phone for him. Moral of the story is, if you're honest and polite, you may get more help than if you go into the store and whine, complain, lie, and curse at the top of your lungs, which is probably happening in most of these exploding battery scenarios.

Re:Not quite (5, Insightful)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261557)

This lady completely denied ever having this phone come into contact with water, even after my wife stated that she just saw her using it in the rain.

That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Maybe Apple world is full of shiny, happy people and it never rains there; in my book, if you can't use a phone just because it happens to be raining, it's defective.

Re:Not quite (2, Insightful)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261625)

Touche'. I have used my iPhone in the rain a few times, and the moisture sensors have still never been tripped; I guess the point I was trying to make is that you can't trust users anymore than you can trust Apple's PR department.

Re:Not quite (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261467)

No, an "external force" is an end user putting the device in an oven at 350 degrees, or driving a nail through the battery.

Damn it, I knew I shouldn't have brought my iPod with me on that framing job while wearing my Kiln pants. I accidentally put my iPod in the wrong pocket just before I accidentally shot myself with a nail gun. And then the damn iPod blew up!

-Rick

External forces! (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261491)

No, an "external force" is an end user putting the device in an oven at 350 degrees, or driving a nail through the battery

You'll find that "external force" is well defined by Apple, as: 'Applying non-Apple branded electricity to your battery'

This could easily be solved by having third party Apple-compatible electricity licenses with the properly branded Applectrons, but Steve Jobs is rumored to be against Apple clones.

Re:Not quite (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261499)

No, an "external force" is an end user putting the device in an oven at 350 degrees, or driving a nail through the battery.

But what would happen if someone drove a nail through an iPhone battery inside an oven at 350 degrees?

Seems a job for the Mythbusters.

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261621)

But will it blend?

Re:Not quite (1)

msgtomatt (1147195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261847)

An "external force" is just Apple's term for the black shirted people who believe that everything that Apple makes is wonderful. It is what other companies call their 'customers'." writes Nick Farrell.'

No, an "external force" is an end user putting the device in an oven at 350 degrees, or driving a nail through the battery.

No, if that were the case then Apple would have said "User abuse" rather than "external force". By calling it external force implies that they either do not know what the root cause is or they do not want to admit there is a problem.

m?omd up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261301)

just yet, but I'8 bunch of gaY negros

Re:m?omd up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261377)

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Curabitur ac ligula eget ante volutpat lacinia vel at mauris. Vestibulum consequat massa non risus malesuada ullamcorper. Suspendisse risus ligula, luctus sit amet ornare id, auctor non orci. Donec dictum suscipit suscipit. Aliquam adipiscing erat id sapien placerat hendrerit. Quisque ante arcu, hendrerit at semper non, sodales vel dui. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Duis congue placerat tortor, eget tincidunt libero consequat quis. Aenean pretium metus nec mauris semper eget ornare magna sodales. Donec eget urna diam, dapibus pulvinar tortor. Aliquam in augue a enim aliquam aliquam. Phasellus nec leo sed odio mattis molestie. In et libero vel dui dapibus cursus. Nullam a tincidunt lectus. Fusce laoreet urna sit amet odio lacinia fermentum. Sed lobortis sodales congue. Sed pharetra turpis volutpat nulla pretium quis eleifend justo commodo. Cras tincidunt, elit condimentum sollicitudin tempor, sapien tortor lacinia orci, eget sagittis turpis quam at nisl. Praesent accumsan suscipit ullamcorper. Donec hendrerit sollicitudin eros a posuere.

Vestibulum libero mauris, euismod vitae rutrum quis, faucibus ac eros. Aliquam eget lorem nec massa condimentum dapibus fermentum id magna. Ut ut ultrices metus. Vivamus porttitor purus id ipsum pulvinar semper. Pellentesque a erat tellus, a iaculis odio. Fusce congue elementum euismod. Nam turpis libero, cursus a dignissim eget, lacinia nec justo. Nulla aliquam turpis eget erat pharetra non accumsan tellus ultricies. Donec ut condimentum tellus. Ut luctus ultrices eros vitae bibendum. Duis laoreet interdum augue sit amet aliquam. Nam vestibulum, neque non iaculis lacinia, ante dui venenatis metus, sit amet volutpat sem urna et neque. Phasellus sit amet arcu non mi tristique elementum. Integer odio risus, dignissim a gravida vitae, congue non mauris. Nullam adipiscing ante sit amet odio hendrerit eget auctor enim faucibus. Suspendisse id neque eget quam posuere eleifend. Pellentesque metus lectus, faucibus in malesuada a, pharetra sit amet dui.

Suspendisse nec fringilla leo. Maecenas elementum venenatis dui non fringilla. Sed auctor vulputate dui a scelerisque. Vestibulum gravida purus in elit laoreet fermentum. Ut congue vulputate metus, sed accumsan turpis porta fermentum. Vivamus nec tellus nibh, eget vestibulum risus. Integer eu tristique tellus. Praesent iaculis enim nec ante pulvinar tristique. Vivamus dapibus tortor sit amet eros aliquet ultricies. Cras tempus dictum eros ac pulvinar. Quisque ut urna enim, vel ullamcorper odio. Maecenas molestie convallis sodales. Ut lorem tellus, congue a blandit sit amet, aliquam eu purus. Sed ligula turpis, dapibus a faucibus in, pellentesque sit amet arcu. Aliquam eu nibh nec leo ultricies tristique sed vel massa. Curabitur et ipsum at turpis tincidunt vehicula. Cras euismod sem ac dolor commodo adipiscing.

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Quisque quis sapien aliquet nunc dapibus tincidunt ac in arcu. Nullam tempor magna pellentesque nunc euismod semper. Fusce mattis sapien vel tellus convallis facilisis scelerisque sapien vulputate. Donec orci lectus, porttitor pretium rhoncus porttitor, suscipit in odio. Proin mi neque, imperdiet ac facilisis sit amet, luctus ut erat. Vestibulum metus risus, ornare a mattis faucibus, molestie eu turpis. Integer commodo molestie risus, non accumsan est dictum quis. Pellentesque at orci nisi, nec iaculis nunc. Donec sed arcu quis ipsum pretium auctor. Sed commodo bibendum augue, nec gravida arcu adipiscing ac. Aenean nec dolor at nulla interdum pellentesque. Praesent hendrerit, mauris vitae tempor mollis, metus eros dictum justo, ac vehicula lorem est et quam. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Donec a sollicitudin odio. Mauris gravida nisl adipiscing augue facilisis id facilisis nisl laoreet. Proin adipiscing, felis id ornare pulvinar, odio metus porta sapien, sed auctor arcu purus sed libero.

Fusce sem risus, vulputate id rutrum at, sagittis ut eros. Nullam vitae justo quam. Etiam sit amet nisi felis. Nam eros eros, tempus volutpat ullamcorper porttitor, molestie eu elit. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Vestibulum orci elit, lacinia vitae varius a, molestie ut mauris. Pellentesque lacinia dui vel risus laoreet lobortis. Maecenas interdum, velit at imperdiet condimentum, tortor orci scelerisque lorem, non feugiat augue elit eu magna. Fusce scelerisque magna vitae massa egestas non sollicitudin purus fringilla. Fusce vel mi quis felis pretium molestie. Duis commodo lacus at augue gravida vestibulum. Cras risus est, ornare ac vulputate non, aliquam nec neque. Fusce eros nisl, laoreet vitae varius ac, adipiscing sit amet justo. Nunc in dui id enim interdum vehicula. Nam et purus tellus. Aliquam erat volutpat. Vestibulum eu ante a ligula venenatis pulvinar. Nam vel nunc at nulla egestas semper eu quis leo.

Suspendisse sed pharetra nisl. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Vivamus eros nisl, convallis vitae blandit sed, ultricies vitae diam. Morbi scelerisque, est venenatis venenatis ornare, lacus nulla ultricies libero, nec lacinia ante leo ut lorem. Aliquam sit amet aliquet sapien. Donec gravida ante in lacus imperdiet vitae iaculis ligula semper. Integer elementum consequat eros, non mattis diam volutpat quis. Pellentesque non enim vitae odio facilisis feugiat sed ac orci. Quisque nec sapien eu libero sagittis iaculis. Aliquam magna felis, tristique sed malesuada id, egestas egestas dui. Donec dictum scelerisque accumsan. Morbi ligula nibh, fermentum vel pharetra at, tempus iaculis tellus. Suspendisse velit orci, egestas ut lobortis lobortis, consectetur id augue.

Vivamus convallis dapibus suscipit. Sed rhoncus dictum laoreet. Praesent ac diam nisl. Integer semper urna id turpis mollis eu tincidunt est egestas. Morbi tincidunt molestie eros, et fringilla quam blandit vitae. Aliquam orci sem, rhoncus quis lacinia vitae, gravida id ante. Proin non libero ipsum, eget dignissim metus. Suspendisse vel enim vitae eros tempus auctor. Aenean libero ligula, gravida sit amet lobortis a, volutpat pretium magna. Mauris ultrices eleifend felis, dictum sagittis sapien tempus sed. Sed sed tellus erat, vitae ornare felis. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Nulla sit amet lorem quis tellus commodo imperdiet. Curabitur sed tortor a erat pharetra feugiat in vitae metus.

Vestibulum quis ultrices mi. Etiam auctor hendrerit vulputate. Quisque libero nisl, vehicula a egestas eu, porta eu lectus. Vivamus velit arcu, imperdiet sed blandit eget, accumsan id massa. Morbi a diam velit. In sapien enim, dictum feugiat tempus a, sollicitudin ut risus. Morbi aliquet ipsum et urna porttitor sed cursus elit iaculis. Vestibulum at dolor urna. Aliquam libero sapien, commodo tincidunt semper vehicula, pretium vel justo. Mauris dolor mauris, luctus quis ornare id, bibendum ut augue. Praesent ac tellus diam, vitae congue tellus. Vestibulum at nisl non sem sagittis accumsan. Pellentesque ornare egestas neque eget mattis. Phasellus a nibh enim.

Fusce dignissim, est vitae lobortis dictum, magna est semper eros, scelerisque semper sem orci sit amet est. Aliquam tortor mi, pulvinar ut viverra et, sodales fringilla nulla. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Vivamus tempor mollis augue. Donec convallis leo et nisl dapibus euismod in vitae massa. Mauris placerat, justo consequat tempor posuere, nibh tellus auctor nunc, at gravida lorem dui et nibh. Phasellus porta laoreet neque, id placerat nisi fringilla in. Nunc neque tellus, tristique et luctus sit amet, sodales a nibh. Duis egestas, enim nec auctor sagittis, leo sapien blandit felis, vel elementum dolor urna vel est. Aenean sed diam id ipsum feugiat sollicitudin in tincidunt ante. Donec at erat vel erat tincidunt volutpat nec a massa. Cras scelerisque nulla eu nulla vulputate pulvinar. Sed iaculis hendrerit consectetur. Integer metus est, rhoncus sed bibendum mattis, venenatis ut lectus. Ut egestas quam sit amet dolor posuere in hendrerit purus pharetra. Maecenas in porta eros. In id sapien odio.

Pellentesque in ipsum nisi, fermentum imperdiet diam. Donec vehicula tincidunt tellus, in rhoncus est faucibus in. Maecenas tortor neque, blandit et mollis ac, feugiat vel enim. Pellentesque accumsan varius turpis, eget porta nunc feugiat vel. Suspendisse potenti. Integer sed mauris libero, nec adipiscing metus. Vestibulum egestas ipsum quis libero suscipit suscipit. Suspendisse mi magna, tristique sed molestie eget, pellentesque sed leo. Mauris bibendum pellentesque mauris vel dictum. Integer orci velit, pretium ut congue a, ornare tempus purus. Donec id mi dui. Phasellus malesuada quam quis tortor sagittis condimentum. Aliquam elementum, augue convallis scelerisque molestie, augue leo tempor mauris, a luctus quam libero quis urna. In dignissim egestas sagittis. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas.

Aliquam sagittis, massa nec facilisis volutpat, ante neque aliquam odio, non vehicula lorem orci non nibh. Quisque nibh velit, pretium sed hendrerit sodales, sodales et est. Fusce ornare mi in felis elementum imperdiet. Mauris fermentum nisl nec dui auctor mattis. Suspendisse ac magna nisl, at feugiat quam. Integer posuere dignissim orci in cursus. Quisque eu augue arcu, ut dapibus ligula. Cras laoreet sodales interdum. Suspendisse eu aliquam purus. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Phasellus venenatis enim id nunc luctus fringilla. Nullam ut neque tempor mi vehicula faucibus. Maecenas sollicitudin massa vitae risus sodales convallis luctus velit mattis. Aliquam fringilla ornare libero, mollis eleifend massa porttitor ac. Nam vitae ligula sit amet dui consequat porta. Nam neque justo, tincidunt in luctus at, sollicitudin a felis. Nulla vitae leo nulla. Mauris auctor nibh et turpis venenatis vehicula. Nullam aliquam nunc a metus varius nec consequat est scelerisque. Nam bibendum rutrum purus, sed pretium nibh mattis sed.

Aenean posuere congue dui, sed pharetra ligula pulvinar sed. Suspendisse potenti. Donec imperdiet sagittis urna, in hendrerit urna pulvinar eu. Nam ullamcorper massa a libero pretium rutrum. Etiam in odio magna. Donec neque tellus, porta sit amet pellentesque eget, faucibus nec ipsum. Cras lorem eros, accumsan nec cursus ut, ultricies eget tellus. Donec aliquam sapien varius urna laoreet euismod. Aenean eleifend diam sit amet justo posuere vestibulum. Donec molestie sapien eget turpis faucibus dapibus vel id ipsum.

Cras lectus magna, bibendum sed viverra eget, facilisis et ante. Nam bibendum ultricies mi id accumsan. Integer id enim sed enim facilisis pellentesque eget eu neque. Curabitur facilisis mauris at erat porta varius. Nullam sem purus, consectetur vitae vulputate nec, commodo id ligula. Curabitur iaculis sollicitudin elit eu mattis. Curabitur vulputate dictum enim in porta. Praesent scelerisque, eros luctus pellentesque lacinia, arcu est condimentum elit, sed porta elit diam imperdiet velit. Ut laoreet gravida lectus, a vestibulum erat lobortis eget. Integer et magna nec est fermentum aliquam a a sem. Quisque sit amet neque nec velit consequat pellentesque vitae vel massa. Nulla laoreet vestibulum dolor eu tristique. Suspendisse nec tortor lorem. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Maecenas vestibulum nisi ac turpis sagittis adipiscing. Sed rutrum, ligula feugiat elementum posuere, dui tortor eleifend metus, a dapibus nibh ligula et eros. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Sed ornare vulputate massa eget vehicula. Sed pretium odio sit amet lacus tincidunt eu rutrum nulla malesuada.

Cras fringilla volutpat vehicula. Nunc non mi dapibus mauris tincidunt malesuada eu vitae metus. Morbi eleifend massa at ipsum scelerisque at sollicitudin odio commodo. Morbi ac neque vel sapien adipiscing faucibus. Aenean turpis ligula, semper vel convallis ac, iaculis vitae magna. Vivamus convallis accumsan odio, id tempor erat lacinia nec. Sed egestas consequat magna quis venenatis. Vestibulum libero mauris, elementum eu viverra ac, tincidunt eu sem. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Donec eu magna quam, vitae rutrum arcu. Aenean eget ipsum ac urna faucibus sagittis. Donec lacus lectus, mattis convallis dignissim at, feugiat ut ante. Donec sollicitudin purus ipsum, nec accumsan nunc. Suspendisse magna urna, auctor ac rhoncus ac, ultricies nec turpis. Sed nisl sem, malesuada molestie gravida at, mattis vitae felis. Fusce lorem augue, ullamcorper vel commodo et, auctor id justo. Vivamus ut neque id dui tincidunt tempus ac a odio.

Aliquam ante risus, iaculis sit amet fermentum sit amet, consequat ac tellus. Fusce in ipsum eros, a elementum lorem. Nunc varius, ligula vel commodo mattis, lacus sem euismod erat, ac fermentum lectus nisl a nisi. Nam ultrices lacinia nibh a viverra. Donec viverra lacus ac tellus molestie faucibus. Phasellus sollicitudin nibh id quam cursus varius posuere urna commodo. Phasellus porta enim at sem gravida tempor. Sed tincidunt, lorem feugiat dapibus adipiscing, sapien purus eleifend arcu, non posuere erat lorem nec mauris. Pellentesque vestibulum dui vitae arcu elementum pretium. Maecenas sollicitudin varius sem non placerat. Ut vehicula dui quis erat bibendum vel ultrices dui feugiat. Nam id tellus nisi. Aliquam vitae enim orci. Nullam in risus risus, at aliquet est. Cras ut libero neque. Nullam nec felis eget nulla vulputate iaculis sed a leo. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas.

Cras lorem ipsum, vulputate posuere tristique vel, aliquet et dui. Etiam vel nunc in quam gravida sagittis id id nisi. Vivamus vehicula, lorem in convallis scelerisque, neque ligula dignissim erat, et mollis ante elit sit amet risus. Nulla fringilla dui quis sapien pretium in consectetur dui vehicula. Mauris tristique nisi dignissim elit eleifend tincidunt. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Etiam ante risus, pretium vitae fringilla ac, tempus eget nisi. Suspendisse potenti. Fusce non nisl odio. Donec tristique, enim non tempus condimentum, dolor metus facilisis sapien, feugiat volutpat odio neque a enim.

Donec sollicitudin laoreet ullamcorper. Sed vel metus rhoncus sem pulvinar faucibus vel non nibh. Mauris sem dolor, hendrerit ut mollis ut, laoreet quis lorem. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Mauris id felis id erat accumsan tempus. Nam quis purus in sapien adipiscing laoreet a vel erat. Pellentesque vel vulputate nisi. Nullam tortor quam, mattis quis suscipit sit amet, eleifend eu turpis. Sed a metus enim, vitae dictum justo. Suspendisse arcu mi, tincidunt non auctor in, pharetra at justo. Curabitur leo quam, congue non posuere ut, tincidunt sit amet nunc. Nam velit neque, venenatis nec egestas sed, luctus ut libero. Vivamus auctor, est sit amet malesuada tincidunt, nisl tortor semper lorem, non tempus leo orci nec velit. Curabitur in congue est. Nullam a est purus, ut tristique mi. Aenean dictum ante in ipsum vulputate posuere. Ut quis augue eu arcu fermentum vestibulum. Vestibulum dolor urna, viverra nec tincidunt quis, porta malesuada lectus. Proin diam augue, malesuada et hendrerit in, lobortis vitae enim.

Morbi scelerisque ipsum tempor ipsum tincidunt ornare. Nunc in felis eu leo volutpat eleifend. Donec id leo sit amet purus pretium ullamcorper elementum quis tellus. Integer sodales interdum semper. Nam et odio magna, sit amet iaculis lacus. Phasellus massa lectus, semper non ultrices sit amet, posuere a ante. Vivamus pharetra ultricies gravida. Vestibulum dolor magna, porttitor nec lacinia a, tincidunt pretium lorem. Praesent vestibulum, eros sit amet viverra viverra, felis nisl malesuada nunc, a faucibus massa ipsum sed lectus. Integer id urna ac nulla ullamcorper gravida. Curabitur dignissim congue dictum. Etiam venenatis, libero nec consequat dapibus, turpis massa sagittis ipsum, nec vulputate arcu metus id ipsum. Etiam vitae lectus ante, nec rutrum nunc. Ut adipiscing accumsan libero sagittis dictum.

Duis sagittis sollicitudin lectus eget hendrerit. Sed ante odio, sagittis ut condimentum imperdiet, elementum vel arcu. Fusce massa nisl, auctor eu vehicula ac, mollis at purus. Maecenas et diam est. Praesent eu risus id odio pharetra convallis ut sed augue. Morbi euismod tortor at augue elementum nec varius ipsum elementum. Donec sit amet ligula ut risus congue interdum. Fusce sed elit at lorem posuere porttitor non et metus. Nullam ut metus bibendum quam commodo elementum. Phasellus et nisl libero. Suspendisse sit amet eros dui, ut imperdiet mauris. Nunc justo justo, faucibus non laoreet quis, mattis a odio. Etiam elementum tortor sed odio varius quis consequat felis convallis. Maecenas ac nisi sed nunc ultricies tempus. Ut in felis id neque scelerisque congue. Pellentesque blandit leo eget mi congue vitae pharetra augue sollicitudin.

Donec velit mauris, dignissim eu hendrerit vel, malesuada id eros. Sed vel magna erat. Donec posuere augue eget elit fringilla gravida. Phasellus suscipit gravida mi, sed laoreet dui pharetra sit amet. Morbi vel nisi risus. Integer sit amet felis non ligula posuere porttitor. Phasellus erat justo, commodo vel dictum nec, interdum sit amet tellus. Nulla suscipit, lectus id accumsan auctor, est justo sodales risus, et ultrices tellus tortor a urna. Donec tincidunt ultrices nibh ac feugiat. Fusce facilisis elit eget lorem porttitor id ornare lectus ullamcorper. Nunc gravida consectetur magna, mollis consectetur ligula varius ac. Aenean vehicula lectus quam, gravida tincidunt nunc.

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Ut facilisis elit non ipsum gravida varius. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Nam laoreet semper orci, nec tincidunt massa iaculis non. Suspendisse nec nunc purus. Aliquam in lectus est, eu pulvinar tortor. Vivamus dapibus facilisis ante, nec sagittis libero volutpat eget. In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Curabitur quis metus neque, ac volutpat felis. Duis mauris augue, porttitor vel elementum eu, blandit sit amet erat. Praesent feugiat orci vitae sapien auctor congue. Fusce ac turpis at odio consectetur dignissim. Ut at mollis leo. Curabitur diam ante, vehicula eu pretium in, porta eu turpis. Aenean non massa massa. Phasellus feugiat, arcu et ullamcorper placerat, tellus neque volutpat felis, vel molestie quam lorem ac ipsum. In metus magna, varius sit amet rhoncus et, iaculis sit amet lacus. Phasellus aliquet lorem in eros venenatis nec viverra diam sollicitudin. Nulla sit amet est elit. Integer turpis mauris, posuere id eleifend adipiscing, ullamcorper sit amet est. Morbi aliquam turpis id orci mollis accumsan.

Quisque tristique tempor felis eget dignissim. Nam quis libero quis ipsum faucibus euismod ut et sapien. Donec non velit at eros elementum gravida eget id massa. Maecenas et egestas turpis. Donec sollicitudin rhoncus rutrum. Suspendisse a turpis eget ipsum commodo tristique. Aliquam enim mauris, pulvinar ut pharetra et, molestie sed mauris. Pellentesque nisl nulla, pellentesque quis adipiscing a, vestibulum ut odio. Integer commodo dolor sit amet nibh viverra et ultrices nisi mattis. Aenean venenatis urna diam, eget eleifend tortor. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed eu metus nunc, eu tempor velit. Nullam eu mi dictum quam elementum accumsan sed eu felis. Pellentesque vehicula, erat id semper volutpat, eros ante tristique sapien, ut eleifend eros quam malesuada ante. Integer blandit risus non arcu mattis a imperdiet orci lacinia. Ut tincidunt, tellus eget sagittis ultricies, ligula sem consectetur quam, eu iaculis libero metus vitae leo. Donec eu ligula mattis augue venenatis tempor. In non velit ut nisi mollis iaculis nec sed metus.

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it is simply (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261321)

a lack of faith on the part of the users. The eruption of flame is punishment repent, believe really hard and the phone will ressurect

External Forces (5, Funny)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261335)

Turns out the battery is susceptible to exposition to Reality Distortion Fields in excess of 750 milliJobs

Exploding batteries? (3, Informative)

burtosis (1124179) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261337)

There's an app for that! Seriously though, lithium polymer batteries *can't* explode since they have no metal canister to hold the outgassing pressure. They simply 'vent with flame'.

Re:Exploding batteries? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261393)

When they start banning them from cross-country flights, I'll be concerned.

It's a feature! (1)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261733)

The fire-venting batteries are a feature, designed to injure people who have second thoughts about their overly-expensive, totally-under-featured apple products.

Re:Exploding batteries? (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261969)

Plenty of things explode with no casing whatsoever, but they usually need a solid mechanical shock to detonate - TNT and C-4 come to mind. Lithium polymer batteries are not on that list. Also, the type of explosions that you're referring to can occur without a metal casing - Plastic, glass, or even cardboard can also contain out-gassing pressure to some degree - M-80s and PVC pipe-bombs come to mind.

Now that I'm done being pedantic, you're likely correct. These cases would probably melt before any significant pressure built up inside causing an explosion. But, if it's in your pocket, "venting with flame" is an insufficient step in the right direction.

"External Forces" (2, Insightful)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261427)

I think we can all agree that given the number of iPhones/iPods that are out there, somewhere, some moron said "Hey y'all, watch this!" before he poured gasoline on the phone and lit it on fire... Yes, we can agree on THAT as an "External Force."

However, in this instance, it seems that Apple is more than happy to classify these "External Forces" as normal phone usage! What's that? You talked on the phone for more than an hour? We are sorry, Apple cannot be held responsible for these external forces which are beyond our control.

"But, it's a phone!" you'll reply. What's that, you turned the device on? We are sorry, Apple cannot be held responsible for these external forces beyond our control.

Clearly, I am being sarcastic, but in all honesty, Apple could admit to some culpability in this instance... As other posters have mentioned, it's not like Apple was not already involved in a Recall of Batteries Used in Previous iBook and PowerBook Computers Due To Fire Hazard [cpsc.gov]

Did I stress the part about FIRE HAZARD enough there?

Re:"External Forces" (1)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261787)

When Steve Jobs sneezes an iPhone dies a fiery death.

I'd hate to see what happens when he kicks the bucket.

Typo in the title (1)

electricprof (1410233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261463)

This just in ... Apple regrets that there was a typo in the original release ... It was meant to say that the explosions are caused by External Farces ... Film at 11

A Chapter of Microsoft's Marketing Team (0, Troll)

quatin (1589389) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261495)

Remember when Microsoft showed the Mojave experiment on TV ads? There's nothing wrong with Vista, there's just something wrong with you!

You don't blame your customers, even if they deserve it. You'll just look like a big corporate douche bag. Apologize and pretend to "resolve the issue", while doing nothing at all. (*cough* xp sp2 *cough*)

Re:A Chapter of Microsoft's Marketing Team (2, Insightful)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261761)

In Microsoft's defense (dangerous here I know) the vast majority of Vista problems HAVE been resolved months if not years ago. Further, most of those were hardware issues (nVidia..) and sloppy programming of other programs and thus NOT Microsofts fault. The single biggest obstacle it faces now are uninformed customers who heard "their computer guy" tell them two years ago that vista = evil and now refuse to listen to anything otherwise.

Sure there are some that still have problems, but most of them would have problems on a computer no matter the OS. Vista as it is today and during the mojave ads is actually very nice.

Microsoft acknowledged their problems (even though they weren't actually at fault), resolved them, and then tried to inform consumers that they had been fixed. Apple is rather just saying its not our fault to begin with.

Re:A Chapter of Microsoft's Marketing Team (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261907)

I think you coughed up one of the best service packs ever released, there. XP SP2 was a huge change that included a built in firewall, and a complete new compile after the introduction of several code analysis tools to specifically seek out and destroy buffer overflows. Xp still has security issues, but its so incredibly better than SP1. Original vista wouldn't have been derided so much if it had been compared to XP SP1, in fact I think it would have been hailed as Microsoft finally getting it right.

Usually it's INTERNAL forces that cause explosions (1)

fmita (517041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261541)

If external forces were at work, the iPhones would be getting crushed. Come on, Apple, it's physics. (jklol)

It is down to external forces (1)

fishfinger (685260) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261571)

Like Apple says, it's "External Forces". These iPhone users need to understand that using an iPhone when the external air pressure is not sufficient to match the pressure released from an overheating battery is crazy!

external force made me do it (1)

Atreide (16473) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261581)

mr RIAA this is not me who copied 100GB of music
an external force made me do it

yes it exists, Steve Jobs has seen it !

with it, he can do weird things better than The Star Wars Force
he can make explosions
and even he can take money from people pocket to his own

i tell you mr RIAA this is real

I blame Nick Farrell... (5, Insightful)

Slur (61510) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261591)

...for being a complete dick. Not everyone who owns an Apple product is a black-shirted zealot, and it's obnoxious to paint all of a company's customers with such a broad brush. Nick is just feeding the trolls by echoing the same stupid tropes that unoriginal people endlessly repeat in forums and comment sections all over the web.

A decent writer - editorial or otherwise - should discuss the merits and facts of the situation without bringing in useless and alienating invective. He may get a few yuks from the dumb crowd and incite a colorful flame war in the comment section, but he certainly won't gain any deep or lasting respect as a journalist. But I suppose this is just a temporary thing until he gets a job he actually cares about or finishes that sci-fi novel he's been working on.

Oh, now look, I'm doing it too. Dammit!

Re:I blame Nick Farrell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261769)

Mod parent up +5 Shit Wrecked

All as one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261595)

All glory to hypnosteve!

It's Microsoft's fault (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261629)

PCs have been specifically alterated to emit iPhone-exploding waves.

Re:It's Microsoft's fault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29261735)

PCs have been specifically alterated to emit iPhone-exploding waves.

PC=Personal Computer (a MacIntosh is a PC even though it is not an IBM PC-Clone)

Re:It's Microsoft's fault (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261783)

No, you are being fooled by the Enemies of Apple.

Steve Jobs says Mac and PC is different. Steve Jobs is never wrong. All hail Steve Jobs.

Re:It's Microsoft's fault (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261841)

Steve Jobs parks in handicap spaces

Re:It's Microsoft's fault (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29262193)

Steve Jobs parks in handicap spaces

According to the gutter press, he has been close to dying for the last five years, so why shouldn't he park in a handicapped space?

Re:It's Microsoft's fault (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261921)

A Mac is generally referred to as a "Mac" while an IBM PC Compatible is generally referred to as a, hold on, "PC".

Now how did this happen? Well you see, back in the good ol' days of the 1980s people, much like people today, preferred to shorten longer brandnames and phrases to fit them into their everyday use of the english language. The result of this shortening was that "Apple Macintosh" became "Mac" while "IBM PC Compatible" became "PC" even though, as you so trollishly point out, PC means "Personal Computer" and that Apple's computers fit that definition as well.

/Mikael

iPhones Banned from Planes as explosive devices (1)

briggsb (217215) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261641)

The DHS thinks the iPhone [bbspot.com] is explosive material now, and banning it from planes. And for the DHS person who just emailed me about this story. It's a work of satire.

Hello! McFly! (1)

Fishbulb (32296) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261859)

Even the Inquirer mentions that the screen were cracked by "external forces".

Lesson: don't spaz out while while playing BubbleBopple or whateverthehell.

Possible external force... (1)

dbet (1607261) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261909)

My initial reaction was that this might happen on jailbreak phones which are no longer properly controlling the CPU, or something else internal that is then overheating.

External forces like.... (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 4 years ago | (#29261989)

Poltergeists? Evil spirits? Conservatism? Liberalism? Antidisestablishmentarianism? Moral decay? Tooth decay? Communism? Trolls, kobolds or gnomes (Please pick one only).

Inquiring minds want to know!

Again, Apple spewing FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29262177)

If the responsibility truly was of EXTERNAL FORCES, then the phones wouldn't EXPLODE, they would IMPLODE.

Get your physics rights, Steve-o!

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