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Woman Fired For Using Uppercase In Email

samzenpus posted about 5 years ago | from the don't-type-angry dept.

Communications 364

tomachi writes "An accountant in NZ has been awarded $17,000 NZD for unfair dismissal after her boss fired her without warning for using uppercase letters in a single email to co-workers. The email, which advises her team how to fill out staff claim forms, specifies a time and date highlighted in bold red, and a sentence written in capitals and highlighted in bold blue. It reads: 'To ensure your staff claim is processed and paid, please do follow the below checklist.' Her boss deemed the capital letters too confrontational for her co-workers to read after they woke up from naptime."

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DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (0, Troll)

HiChris! (999553) | about 5 years ago | (#29262685)

FOR USING ALL CAPS

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29262725)

you sir are fired.

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (5, Funny)

SQLGuru (980662) | about 5 years ago | (#29262739)

I think her boss was e.e.cummings.

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (2, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | about 5 years ago | (#29262981)

i think her boss was e.e. cummings.

FTFY.

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263211)

e e cummings

He hated punctuation & diacriticals too.

FTFY,

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (0)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29262997)

I think her boss was named Humphrey Jass (aka Hugh Jass). ;-) Also what's up with that measly fine? Given the poor economy it will probably take her a year to find another job, so she should receive one year's salary. (IMHO). Teach these corporations not to mistreat the citizens.

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (2, Informative)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 5 years ago | (#29263069)

Also what's up with that measly fine? Given the poor economy it will probably take her a year to find another job, so she should receive one year's salary. (IMHO). Teach these corporations not to mistreat the citizens.

She has already found another job. She was only out of work for 6 months.

NO (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29262747)

CAPSLOCK: IT'S CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!

My bad, Filtering error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

I'm going to sue Slashdot for discrimination!

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (3, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 5 years ago | (#29262971)

BUT EVERYONE LIKES B1FF'S POSTS!

(filter food)

VLAD FARTED (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263331)

oh yes he did

Re:DO I GET MODDED DOWN NOW? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263885)

BY NIGGERS, FOR NIGGERS.!

Time to fire all lawyers (5, Funny)

hernick (63550) | about 5 years ago | (#29262699)

Yes, the time has to come fire all lawyers who use ALL CAPS when writing their contracts and EULAs!

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29262779)

s/ who use ALL CAPS when writing their contracts and EULAs//g

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (5, Interesting)

teh kurisu (701097) | about 5 years ago | (#29264159)

Actually the reason for all caps in legal documents is that certain parts of the text are required to have greater visual emphasis relative to the rest of the document, as they tend to be the important parts. If you're working in plain text then all caps is your only option.

I'm sure that the fact that all caps is harder to read hasn't escaped the notice of these bloodsuckers either.

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (5, Informative)

rssrss (686344) | about 5 years ago | (#29263157)

Unfortunately, it is required by law in certain contract clauses:

See, e.g. Uniform Commercial Code [cornell.edu] Section 2-316 (2) requirement that exclusions of warranties be "conspicuous" and the definition of that word at Sec. 1-201 (b)(10).

Sorry to go statutory on you, but I don't like all caps any more than you do.

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263359)

Which means that we get to fire them all!!!!

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (2, Interesting)

644bd346996 (1012333) | about 5 years ago | (#29263451)

According to the code you cite, bold, italic, colored, or merely larger are all acceptable ways to make a section conspicuous, whereas the only mention of all caps is for headings. There is no technological justification for using all caps for body text that is required to be emphasized, and it could be said that doing so is actually rather nefarious, given that all caps is second only to poor color choice as a way to make text both noticeable and unreadable.

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (2, Interesting)

retchdog (1319261) | about 5 years ago | (#29263591)

Caps remain caps if read without HTML-formatting?

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263825)

Someone lost his brain...

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 5 years ago | (#29263639)

Try to make text bold, italic, colored or merely larger in a pure text file. Good luck!

Re:Time to fire all lawyers (5, Informative)

reebmmm (939463) | about 5 years ago | (#29263799)

I'm a lawyer, and I'll be the first to admit that many of my colleagues do little to help themselves when it comes to being end user friendly. The blocks of all caps being a sure symptom of that. A site about contract drafting style actually had a pretty good discussion regarding the conspicuousness requirements and the use of all caps: http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2008/02/04/all-capitals/ [adamsdrafting.com]

In my opinion, the all caps paragraphs are merely remnants from a time when contracts were drafted without the assistance of word processors capable of doing bold face type. And, frankly, that wasn't that long ago. Many lawyers that I know continue to cut and paste the boilerplate language or modify the boilerplate language keeping in tact whatever drafting convention was used originally.

That said, there is also some advantage to using all caps over bold face for when it comes to OCR, text translation, format-less archiving, etc. In that case, the "conspicuousness" is maintained (i.e., all caps), even if the formatting is dropped. It's a very weak advantage.

Wow. (4, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | about 5 years ago | (#29262703)

This is actually one of the better formatted emails I've seen. Much as I dislike off-like emails, it's verging on good information design rather than offensiveness or even ugliness.

Also... when did people stop understanding the word "please"?

Re:Wow. (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | about 5 years ago | (#29262741)

"office-like", even.

I'm blaming my keyboard.

Hmm. She really should have blamed the company for supplying her with a faulty keyboard ;)

Re:Wow. (5, Insightful)

gruvmeister (1259380) | about 5 years ago | (#29262843)

And there will still be people who read that email and either miss the deadline or don't follow the instructions.

Re:Wow. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Struct (660658) | about 5 years ago | (#29262939)

Sure, you think that now, but try reading it after naptime.

Re:Wow. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29263131)

I agree. What she did was equivalent to what you see in many, many documents:

- SECTION TITLE

- checklist

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

WraithCube (1391567) | about 5 years ago | (#29263571)

Also... when did people stop understanding the word "please"?

Apparently some people decided that "please" makes it sound like its optional. Thus if you put please in it less people listen. Stupid I know, but true nonetheless.

WELL *I* DON'T CARE! (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | about 5 years ago | (#29262707)

Anyone who has ever been fired for shouting is going to have no sympathy for this woman.

Whew! (1)

R2.0 (532027) | about 5 years ago | (#29262709)

Almost commented before I saw it was under Idle.

What?

Shit!

Re:Whew! (0, Offtopic)

owlnation (858981) | about 5 years ago | (#29263353)

"Almost commented before I saw it was under Idle."

I thought Idle had died. It's mercifully kept a low profile for a few months. (Although, sadly samzenpus has occasionally been polluting regular /. with Idle articles.)

Again, for the love of all things sacred, please take IDLE our of the main /. RSS feed.

That is only fair. Those that like Idle can read it, those of us who cannot stand it, need never waste our time with it.

WTF! (1)

Tobenisstinky (853306) | about 5 years ago | (#29262713)

THAT'S UNBELIEVEABLE!

hehehe (4, Funny)

Normal Dan (1053064) | about 5 years ago | (#29262719)

hehehe HAHAH heeheeeheeeheee HAHAHAHAAHAA!!!
*sigh* heh... naptime?... confrontational?... heheh.... I don't know where to start... hehehe..
*sigh* OK, I'm done.

Re:hehehe (1)

leromarinvit (1462031) | about 5 years ago | (#29263593)

Since you wrote about 10% of this post in all-caps, you're fired. Have a nice day.

Re:hehehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263975)

Play a game that's hard to lose: You Win [projectlabyrinth.com]

Nice game, but the correct spelling is "Congratulations."

Darn you, Slashdot! :-) (4, Informative)

aardwolf64 (160070) | about 5 years ago | (#29262727)

See what you did? You made me RTFA just to see if it actually mentioned naps (it doesn't, btw.)

Re:Darn you, Slashdot! :-) (1)

BeatYaBad (1255058) | about 5 years ago | (#29263109)

LMAO. I read it for the same reason.

Re:Darn you, Slashdot! :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263369)

why would you actually read all of it? open the page, ctrl-f and enter "naptime". no search results

Re:Darn you, Slashdot! :-) (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 5 years ago | (#29263757)

Open the page? Don't you have wget and grep?

There must be more to this story... (3, Insightful)

Zen Hash (1619759) | about 5 years ago | (#29262811)

Clearly, there must be more to this story... The email excerpt alone is hardly "confrontational".

I'd bet there was a more personal confrontation, possibly with a superior, and that email was simply seen as a better excuse to get rid of her than the real reason.

Re:There must be more to this story... (5, Informative)

ktappe (747125) | about 5 years ago | (#29263095)

If you RTA, there was more to the story. The woman (allegedly) had a history of confrontation with her coworkers. But she was never reprimanded for those; just summarily fired with no warning and the only "evidence" the employer could dig up was this single e-mail. Basically the employer blatantly mishandled the entire situation and was left grasping at straws, trying to use an e-mail as justification.

In short, she wasn't just fired for the caps in the e-mail; it was simply claimed she was.

Re:There must be more to this story... (1)

drseuk (824707) | about 5 years ago | (#29264145)

Meanwhile the MoD's relieved that its prototype man-eating beaver cyborg has been found in New Zealand and is sending HMS Nottingham [telegraph.co.uk] to recover it.

Officers not on snoozewatch have been ordered to "WATCH OUT FOR THAT BLOODY ROCK THIS TIME (PLEASE) EXCLAMATION MARK EXCLAMATION MARK EXCLAMATION MARK" since the RN has yet to upgrade from its ZX81-powered navigation system.

Re:There must be more to this story... (2, Interesting)

TheRon6 (929989) | about 5 years ago | (#29263167)

I'd bet there was a more personal confrontation, possibly with a superior, and that email was simply seen as a better excuse to get rid of her than the real reason.

My thoughts exactly. I don't see this as a story about someone being fired for using caps lock. I see it as a story about a manager who was too stupid to have a legitimate reason to fire her prepared ahead of time and has cost their company $17k as a result. One of my coworkers was fired several months ago because he didn't have one of the certifications that's required of everyone in my department. He'd never had the certification of course but that hadn't stopped my company from hiring him and letting him work there for a year. But he was *really* fired for getting into a very long, personal argument with our supervisor. Clever managers will always have some excuse stashed away to get rid of anyone if needed. Sounds like this manager wasn't nearly clever enough.

Re:There must be more to this story... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263363)

has cost their company $17k as a result

actually, they're New Zealand Dollars, so it's only about US$17. (at this point I'd say something about running away, but everyone knows that they don't have the internet in New Zealand, so I can get away with it)

Re:There must be more to this story... (2, Funny)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 5 years ago | (#29263455)

I don't see this as a story about someone being fired for using caps lock

Indeed. Even though the use of caps lock merits a summary hanging, it does not merit sacking. ;-)

OT Sig reply - there's more, if you didn't know (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263457)

Here I sit, all broken hearted.
Came to poop, but only farted.


Those who write on bathroom walls
roll their crap in little balls.

Those who read these words of wit
eat those balls of shit.

I Wish... (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 5 years ago | (#29262813)

I wish people could be fired for writing in all caps. That would get rid of a lot of dead wood around here...

the real problem (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29262817)

The real problem is that she's sending HTML email.

Re:the real problem (1)

mikael (484) | about 5 years ago | (#29263365)

Some early ASCII video terminals (DEC VT102) supported both colour and double height text, not forgetting attributes like blinking, bold and underlined characters.

The E-mail systems at that time supported some basic control of text colour and size. I don't think anyone ever got fired back them for using bold, red or double height text.

Somebody PLEASE (1)

alexborges (313924) | about 5 years ago | (#29262823)

Give that PHB his propper dose of prozac...

I mean damn, talk about sleeping with the enemy.

Ironic dismissal letter, though. (1)

MiniMike (234881) | about 5 years ago | (#29262841)

A little digging found a copy of her dismissal letter:

---

Uz F1RED!!!11!!!

LOL!!11!! C YA L8R N0T!!!111!!!

---

She might be better off working elsewhere anyway.

nap time!? (1)

pwolf (1016201) | about 5 years ago | (#29262857)

I wish I could take a nap in the middle of the day while at work...

It wouldn't be a problem... (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | about 5 years ago | (#29262879)

If everyone else did their job right and didn't need the bolded and capital letters.

If anything, everyone else should have been reprimanded and she should have been told not to warn them anymore.

Oh. My. God. ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29262887)

The insanity has even reached New Zealand - there truly is no hope for humanity.

surprised (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 5 years ago | (#29262897)

Surprised to see this wasn't posted by theodp.

<blink> (1)

DdJ (10790) | about 5 years ago | (#29262907)

It wasn't blinking, was it? Because if it was blinking, termination is certainly justified.

Re: (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 5 years ago | (#29263651)

Indeed. All caps merely justified knocking her around a bit and perhaps a small fine.

Ob. bash.org (5, Funny)

schon (31600) | about 5 years ago | (#29262911)

http://www.bash.org/?835030 [bash.org]

It's funny, 'cuz it's true. :)

Re:Ob. bash.org (2, Funny)

religious freak (1005821) | about 5 years ago | (#29262947)

LOL, I dunno why, but that's pretty funny! Can't stop laughing - I think I've got a case of the Mondays or something!

Re:Ob. bash.org (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | about 5 years ago | (#29263011)

It's blocked
Is it that one where:
guy 1 writes in caps; guy 2 tells guy1 about caps lock key; guy 1 thanks guy one for making writing in caps easier

Re:Ob. bash.org (1)

soliptic (665417) | about 5 years ago | (#29263103)

yes.

Re:Ob. bash.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263377)

You know you're a geek when... :)

Re:Ob. bash.org (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | about 5 years ago | (#29263425)

Thank you. I never could figure out why Websense considers bash.org "tasteless"...I so can't say that sentence without laughing.

Uh huh (3, Insightful)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 5 years ago | (#29262921)

After reading the article (which was darn light on the details) I smell a usual workplace suspect: This woman was a much bigger pain in the butt then she was worth. And like many workplace pains she kept her nose JUST clean enough to not be fired for anything serious. Somebody gambled by using a stupid reason and lost. Although I also look at the amount they paid and think $17K is a pittance for the lost time and lost personel who don't want to work with the pain.

Re:Uh huh (1)

RingDev (879105) | about 5 years ago | (#29263107)

That's how I'm reading this as well. Pain in the ass employee that they just wanted to get rid of. I didn't catch the location, but if it was an at-will employment State, why not just give the usual "your services are no longer required by this organization" line, 2 weeks severance, and send her on her way?

-Rick

Re:Uh huh (2, Informative)

kenp2002 (545495) | about 5 years ago | (#29263307)

If they fire her for wrong doing it won't count towards "Turnover Count" but if they let her go it would impact the turn-over numbers. If they haven't had any turnover for say 5 years then there is incentive to ensure the "good record" goes unblemished.

Re:Uh huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263309)

Well, it was in New Zealand, (NZ), not USA.

Re:Uh huh (1)

Sique (173459) | about 5 years ago | (#29263317)

Because this is New Zealand we are talking about, not the U.S. U.S. law does only apply there if forced by economic or military blackmail.

Re:Uh huh (1)

joyfeather (1167073) | about 5 years ago | (#29263319)

Happened in New Zealand, I believe. I have no idea what the laws are there regarding employment.

Re:Uh huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263755)

Because New Zealand is not yet a state in the United States of America, dumbarse.

Her Fault (1)

cdoggyd (1118901) | about 5 years ago | (#29262959)

Maybe she won't 'yell' at her boss next time.

not the whole story (3, Insightful)

DaveGod (703167) | about 5 years ago | (#29262967)

From TFA:

She had also acted provocatively in seeking to view complaints laid against her by colleagues.

That little line tells us there's far more to this story than using caps in an email, but they just drop it in and try to pretend it isn't there, like an embarrassing little fart that stinks up the story they want to write.

I know we enjoy complaining about bad journalism but it's no better to promote their shitty little articles.

Re:not the whole story (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 5 years ago | (#29263297)

That's what I was thinking: Crazy person uses what little power her position has to make life miserable for coworkers. Coworkers complain. Boss decides crazy person is disrupting business.

I doubt anything she did was over the top enough to make a clear cut firing case, but nasty people with a little power doing many small, annoying things can make for a bad working environment.

Re:not the whole story (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 5 years ago | (#29263547)

That's what I was thinking: Crazy person uses what little power her position has to make life miserable for coworkers. Coworkers complain. Boss decides crazy person is disrupting business.

Agreed, but simple justice suggests that if a complaint is made, the object of the complaint should always be allowed to see the substance of it. Right of reply and all that.

Re:not the whole story (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 5 years ago | (#29263673)

So what exactly is so hard about simply documenting what a PITA this person is, with multiple examples and testimonies from other employees, and then using THAT as justification for dismissal, instead of making up some BS reason like this all-caps email?

naptime?? (1)

corbettw (214229) | about 5 years ago | (#29262983)

Was this an office or a preschool?

Re:naptime?? (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 5 years ago | (#29263171)

she should have to sit in the corner in the timeout chair.

Re:naptime?? (1)

flynt (248848) | about 5 years ago | (#29263383)

That was a "joke" I think. TFA does not mention naps...very lame attempt at being witty.

Sometimes you learn to live with it. (4, Interesting)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | about 5 years ago | (#29263047)

I work IT at a home nursing business, and I get work tickets submitted all the time. The nurses and office coordinators use software that -- don't ask me why -- requires them to use all capital letters when entering patient visit notes and ordering medications. They leave the CAPS LOCK key on all the time as part of their professional work, and are so used to it that it doesn't stand out when they use it in other contexts.

You learn to live with it.

Re:Sometimes you learn to live with it. (2, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 5 years ago | (#29263671)

You learn to live with it.

That's not entirely true. I started out in programming (in Assembler, Fortran and COBOL) when EVERYTHING WAS IN UPPER CASE on the mainframe computers I was using. There was no lower-case option on my punch-cards, and the same goes for my printers. (Though some of them were the fastest printers I have ever worked with, even to this day.)

But I never liked uppercase, and was happy as a pig in shit when I got to play around with C.

Her boss wanted her gone (4, Insightful)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 5 years ago | (#29263093)

Whenever you hear about somebody getting fired for something silly like this it should be pretty clear that the person doing the firing was just waiting for an excuse. Obviously he picked a bad "reason" to fire her.

Re:Her boss wanted her gone (4, Insightful)

BeanThere (28381) | about 5 years ago | (#29263505)

I don't know why she doesn't just go find another job, instead of this silly lawsuit ... oh wait, greed, that's it ... a $17,000 award, nice. Guess who coughs up for that ... people like us who don't abuse the system :/

"I am a single woman with a mortgage, and I had to re-mortgage my home and borrow money from my sister to make it through," she said. "They nearly ruined my life."

Oh please, it's her employer's fault that she has zero savings, yet still bought a house that she couldn't afford without living literally having to live paycheck to paycheck? That makes the employer "responsible" for owing her a living?

Re:Her boss wanted her gone (0, Troll)

pete6677 (681676) | about 5 years ago | (#29264177)

Since you obviously have not heard, there is a global economic depression going on at the moment. It makes new jobs slow to come by. Consider yourself lucky that you don't have first hand knowledge of this.

Re:Her boss wanted her gone (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about 5 years ago | (#29264223)

The employer is responsible for treating employees like human beings. Firing someone over something like this without even talking to her about it first is a stupid, evil thing to do, and $17,000 is a tiny, tiny penalty for such an offense.

ci0m (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263125)

Re:ci0m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263357)

Is it just me or have the quality of trolls really gone downhill?
This guy isn't even trying.

All caps: an indicator for insufficient education? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263137)

There seems to be a tendency for people with less education to more often use all caps. Perhaps it looks more "official" (and emphasizes importance) to them because all the "important" forms they have to fill out are written in all caps (somewhat less the case in other languages than English).

Re:All caps: an indicator for insufficient educati (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 5 years ago | (#29263231)

It is common for government forms and contracts to have paragraphs in caps. It is not a big deal. Until recently your average typewriter or typesetter could not produce bold face type, it is a simple way to add emphasis to the most important section.

I like to think the most of us here are fine with some reasonable use of capital letters and object to excessive use of capital letters and to the misuse of capital letters TO add EMPHASIS where none IS needed.

OK (1)

BCW2 (168187) | about 5 years ago | (#29263169)

This PC crap has gone too far!

Oops, that same twit will try to fire me now!

Re:OK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263415)

This PC crap has gone too far!

Oops, that same twit will try to fire me now!

What, do Macs not have capslock keys?

The Text of the Message (0, Offtopic)

night_flyer (453866) | about 5 years ago | (#29263217)

YOU ALL SUCK!!!

IN SOVIET NZ (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29263397)

E-mail UPPERCASE fire YOU !

BILLY MAYS HERE!!! (3, Funny)

PhiberOptix (182584) | about 5 years ago | (#29263423)

BILLY MAYS HERE!!!
TOO BAD I'M DEAD, OTHERWISE SHE WOULD BE WELCOME TO WORK WITH ME!

and here is something just to bypass /. caps filtering. I guess she didn't posted here much either.

So... (1)

Mr2cents (323101) | about 5 years ago | (#29263557)

... there's an opening?

ALL CAPS (1)

twoblink (201439) | about 5 years ago | (#29263599)

Boss: Why are you shouting??
Lady: I'M NOT SHOUTING.
Boss: Yes you are!!
Lady: NO I'M NOT. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING! I'M TYPING!!
Boss: (Cue Donald Trump finger gesture) YOUR FIRED!

Reality slowly creeps in (5, Insightful)

kenp2002 (545495) | about 5 years ago | (#29263699)

Face it, we are heading back to royalty and peasantry quicker and quicker. Not long and they'll have us back in chains. I knew a former employee of Anderson who was fired after lunch because he had a spot of soup on his tie.

"At $85 fucking dollars an hour I expect your monkey ass to be fucking spotless, get the fuck out of my office you unkempt shit!"

That is why I got out of consulting as I was sitting outside the door during this exchange. I once lost a contract from having a 102 fever and couldn't drive to drop off a floppy disk with a script for a novell printer remap even though there was 12 copies of the disk sitting on my desk 2 cubes over from where my boss sat...

"If you can't get to work when we need you, then we don't fucking need you. You can mail us the pager and badge, your fucking done in this town!"

We are pesants, get used to it. I still see the same H1B guys in Minneapolis (Now what, 13 year later) who put 38-40 hours on their time sheets but a simple check of the parking ramp's badge log and they are there 2-3 days straight and the workstation log shows 80-90 hours a week working. They don't dare put their real time down or it is "back on the boat" for them (I hear that crap from their managers all the time).

I've been out of consulting now for about 4 years and you couldn't pay me to go back into it. I'm lucky where I am at but the horrors I see here in the Twin Cities makes me ill on how they treat employees. I saw on gal get fired because "she's too pretty" and another "because she dates too much", another "I don't need some fat shit blocking my view..."

I've even been told by a few executives "I'm a fucking piece of livestock" on several occasions (twice ironically at the same resturant "The Palimino", Minneapolis in the La Salle tower. Nice place btw.)

It gets worse every year and you wonder why no one goes into IT anymore. I cannot speak outside of the IT\MIS field but I have found that, given a sourge, most would use it on someone. The USA corporate culture is getting bad, real bad. Madoff and the like are just the tip of the iceberg in bad behavior. You should hear the kind of shit they say while on Lake Minnetonka or up on the White Fish chain by Cross Lake and hear what they really think about "the fucking toothless braindead pesants I have working for me". The greed is getting worse not better... so much for being an enlightened society....

Sadly it also appears to be 2nd generation types too. The old man was nice and polite, his children on the otherhand... what the hell happened? I'd rather have the old days before the Mafia wen't legit and brought their business methods with them.

Re:Reality slowly creeps in (1)

dtolman (688781) | about 5 years ago | (#29264087)

Half those exec's are probably dead broke, washed away by the market crash at the end of the new gilded age. If they aren't now, they will be in a year or two, when the commercial real estate collapses like the residential one, all the ARM's start resetting, and the stock market bubble pops again.

We may have new royalty, but the now constant churn means that the Wheel of Life from the dark ages is ever more apt. They won't be up top for long...we all get whats coming to us...eventually.

I'm proud. (1)

neo (4625) | about 5 years ago | (#29263753)

I thought for sure this thread would be full of all caps.

Either the mods are marking -1 ALL CAPS or everyone is showing remarkable restraint.

Either way, well done.

They need more slashdot (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | about 5 years ago | (#29263923)

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

This.

Good. (1)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | about 5 years ago | (#29264141)

I'm amazed that there are still people out there who don't realize typing in all caps constitutes yelling at the people who are reading it. Should the woman have been fired? No. The boss should have called her into the office and explained why typing in all-caps isn't acceptable.

Bold Blue? (1)

PPNSteve (1287174) | about 5 years ago | (#29264241)

What? BOLD BLUE? Get a rope!
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