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The Real-World State of Windows Use

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the give-me-the-numbers dept.

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snydeq writes "Performance and metrics researcher Devil Mountain Software has released an array of real-world Windows use data as compiled by its exo.performance.network, a community-based monitoring tool that receives real-time data from about 10,000 PCs throughout the world. Tracking users' specific configurations, as well as the applications they actually use, the tool provides insights into real-world Windows use, including browser share, multicore adoption, service pack adoption, and which anti-virus, productivity, and media software are most prevalent among Windows users. Of note are the following conclusions: two years after Vista's release, not even 30 percent of PCs actually run it; OpenOffice.org is making inroads into the Microsoft Office user base; and despite the rise of Firefox, Internet Explorer remains the standard option for inside-the-firewall apps."

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first post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373495)

sorry couldn't resist.

Re:first post! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373523)

kinda like your mother and the cock

Re:first post! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373925)

or niggers and their shitty thug-wanna-be attitudes

how to end all racism: convince all the niggers to stop worshipping thugs and to stop mass producing bastard kids. otherwise you wanna be all aggressive and shit, don't cry foul when no one likes you, and you wanna breed like rats, don't act shocked when you are thought of as little different from rats

UNIX is for eunuchs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374319)

macfags never get pussy they only get cock

Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (5, Interesting)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373555)

In our shop and many out there using Microsoft products, we have a maintenance agreement that demands a use of MS Explorer and integration with such things as .NET and IIS. There is not much call for Mozilla and Python in the corporate land. But from a yardstick survey of 14 co-workers, only 1 uses IE at home. We are FORCED to use IE at work. Doesn't mean we like it...

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (3, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373831)

Sometimes when on break, I boot a live Ubuntu distro. It runs in memory. I set the networking in Firefox to use the default proxy, load flashplayer from Adobe, and enjoy the break with tabs and no worries. Some who think they are stuck with IE simply don't know they have an option.

IE 6 at work badly scrambles Slashdot pages with text running over text. I use Firefox to check my user page and see replies. The page is unusable in the corporate IE 6 default browser.

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373931)

or you could get your organisation to move into this century. ie6 is ancient even in the MS world. incidently most could not do what you suggest as it would breach their corporate security policy, hell if you tried that where I work you would be sacked, not to mention you would not actually even be able to conect to the proxies anyway as they are all authenticated (as are our network ports).

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (3, Insightful)

Savior_on_a_Stick (971781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373975)

booting a separate os during a break to read a web page is hardly a productive use of one's personal time.

Your company restricts flash drives but allows you to boot from an optical drive?

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374109)

booting a separate os during a break to read a web page is hardly a productive use of one's personal time.

Why, because YOU wouldn't do it? Douchebag. Yeah, you're being a douchebag, because if the guy thought it was unproductive then he wouldn't do it, then you come along and presume to know what's good for him. Ever think before you speak?

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (4, Insightful)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374139)

You mentioned Ubuntu.

Even though you're using it in a completely counterproductive manner, it will definitely get modded +5 insightful.

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374095)

In case you hadn't heard, the federal government has basically banned IE and requires everyone to use Firefox or Safari except for a few (obsolete) internal apps...

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (2, Interesting)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374249)

Really? You might want to tell that to the military... I can't get Firefox installed much less supported on a military computer.

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (2, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374295)

In case you hadn't heard, the federal government has basically banned IE

Which federal govt? Not the US.

Re:Inside the (Corp.) Firewall no one can ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374099)

Pretty much every company I have seen uses IE as a standard and pretty much everyone I know downloads and uses Firefox instead.

Spyware (3, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373537)

The Windows Sentinel app:
When they sell your info it's spyware
When they post it on slashdot it's a community-based monitoring tool

Re:Spyware (5, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373615)

Well, yes pretty much. Not unlike the difference between you hiring an accountant to analyze your finances versus the IRS conducting an audit on you.

Re:Spyware (0, Troll)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373899)

"Fly with me... Lesbian Seagull!"

Browser use isn't exclusive (3, Informative)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373545)

I use mostly Firefox but when I want to watch a movie on Netflix I have to use IE. The same with Netlibrary.

At least Hulu lets me use Firefox.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373565)

And it's also why I'm unable to use netflix's watch on demand feature on Linux :-(

I'm enough of a die-hard to use Linux anyway, but that kind of thing is enough to keep most folks from using it. It doesn't "just do" a bunch of what they want to have work.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (5, Informative)

jasonwc (939262) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373617)

Netflix has upgraded to MS Silverlight which works on Firefox as well as IE. You have to upgrade to use Silverlight, though. Perhaps you are still using the old player.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (-1, Redundant)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373645)

I made a comment almost exactly like the parent quite awhile ago.

Parent: You now have exactly zero reason to use IE.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (2, Insightful)

Deltaspectre (796409) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373939)

Dang, now he has to admit he actually likes the little rascal

You and the parent are correct! - GP (1)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373951)

Sweet!

I just verified it.

-NY

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373863)

But still no Netflix Watch Instantly for Linux, right?

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (3, Informative)

jasonwc (939262) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374045)

It may be possible at some point, but as of a few months ago, Moonlight did not support the features necessary to watch movies on Netflix.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374185)

why would they need it? i didn't know netflix had fag pr0n.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374257)

What platform does Silverlight support? Windows?

I won't be installing Silverlight. I didn't install it to watch the Olympics when it required silverlight. I won't install it for something else.

Re:Browser use isn't exclusive (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374169)

FYI, I used to have the same issue, but now Netflix has a plug-in for Firefox, so you can go ahead and avoid using IE even more!

Windows as a Real World State? (3, Funny)

russlar (1122455) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373547)

At first, I though this was going to be some kind of satire piece about what kind of country Windows would be.

Since it's not, I'll make it up: bloated, past its prime, and fueled entirely by the force of its own inertia.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373695)

so, kind of like the certain union we all know and love? hmm....

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (2, Funny)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373767)

yea, I thought of the EU too!

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (0)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373825)

the EU is tiny, young, and has no inertia whatsoever (just look at how Russia is making them their bitch because of it natural gas supply). so no, i wasn't thinking of the EU...

no offense to any europeans, though.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373881)

All of the European countries are old, the bureaucracy of the EU is ridiculously bloated, and depending on what you're referring to when you speak of inertia, it has that too.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373935)

let's just agree to disagree, then.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373955)

Most of the European countries are less than 80 years old...

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374129)

Sorry, no. The USA is an older country than almost all the countries in Europe, except perhaps Britain (which kinda 'morphed' into its current state). All the European countries are quite young, and only date back to WWII in most cases. Before that, many of them were still kingdoms.

Or are you going to try to argue that, for instance, Croatia is an old country, even though it didn't exist only 20 years ago?

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (2, Insightful)

agnosticnixie (1481609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374291)

A change of government isn't a change of country - the US didn't magically become another country during the civil war or when the constitution was signed. Britain didn't morph, it was created by the union and dissolution of England, Scotland and Ireland into the United Kingdom, in 1801

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (2, Funny)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373773)

The nation of the United States of Microsoft?

Fascist dictatorship and economy, views and opinions forced on civilians (users of the product).

Enemies are The People's Republic of Mac OSX and FinnLinuxLand, but sometimes The NetherBSDlands.

The currency is the WGA check, without it you are a dirty no good software pirate.

Blue Screen of Deaths are common but unreported and the government denies knowledge of it, but keeps asking citizens to install service packs or buy the new version of the nations operating system (and new hardware if needed) for best results.

The really poor use older versions of the Kingdom's operating system, but get treated as third class citizens as no more security updates or service packs are made for them, nor is any modern software made for them either. They'll have to use the old versions forever.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (-1, Flamebait)

Savior_on_a_Stick (971781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374017)

We really need a -1 I want to kick you in the throat

Please refrain from reckless use of analogies.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374021)

Since it's not, I'll make it up: bloated, past its prime, and fueled entirely by the force of its own inertia.

Ah, yes much like the first Galactic Empire.

Re:Windows as a Real World State? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374307)

Well... would you consider Hell as a country? Have associated enough related names to be considered there (bsod, dll hell, ping of death, bill gates, etc). To be fair, unix should belong to that country too, is full of daemons (so much that the logo of one is a small devil), and when they get angry they dump cores... but dont lose hope, seems that that general area is getting cool enough to get penguins happy.

Inflated Numbers (0, Offtopic)

Renraku (518261) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373567)

You know, each copy of Vista pre-installed on a laptop or a PC gets counted as a sale..whether or not real actual Vista DVDs or a serial key is included. Each copy of Vista sitting in a warehouse somewhere has already been 'sold.' Each copy of Vista sold (legally) for $20 in China is a sale.

Still, 10,000? (1)

Auroch (1403671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373639)

That's a pretty small sample size. I would also believe that the type of person that would submit such data is probably not running vista.

Re:Still, 10,000? (2, Insightful)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373979)

You clearly don't understand statistics. 10,000 samples is a very large study.

If there's a problem with the data (and there probably is), it is because of selection bias.

Re:Inflated Numbers (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373689)

Pay attention, they aren't tracking sales data. They're tracking actual usage data as reported by their actual reporting tool, installed on actual computers by actual users. The sample size is only just over 10k machines, but even so, it's actual usage data, not sales data.

Biasm small sample... (1)

klubar (591384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373775)

They are only going to get the hobbyist/enthusast users--unlikely to get any data from big corporate installs. What‘s the benefit of installing this software?

Also sounds like spyware to me.

MS gets similar data through its monitoring in Office & other applications.

Re:Inflated Numbers (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373815)

if it's paid for and sitting on a laptop, it's a sale you fucking moron.

Re:Inflated Numbers (3, Insightful)

dedazo (737510) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373875)

This is a fav argument as always - the problem is that when you look at OS share collected by online data aggregators like NetApps it seems someone is actually connecting these mythical warehoused copies of Vista to the internet.

Personally, I think it's amazing Microsoft found a way to make unsold boxed DVDs of Vista to the internet. They might struggle to make Aero run on older hardware, but they're brilliant at wireless networking and power management.

By the way, 30% of roughly a billion PCs in the world... I'd like to have me a "complete failure" like that one every two or three decades.

Total Survey Numbers (1)

yakatz (1176317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373581)

What percentage of total computer users is represented by 10,000 computers, each with glorified spyware installed on it? I manage many computers both in offices and homes and none of them have this monitoring software installed. That could add up to 10% of this survey, potentially completely changing the end results.

Re:Total Survey Numbers (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373631)

What percentage of total computer users is represented by 10,000 computers, each with glorified spyware installed on it? I manage many computers both in offices and homes and none of them have this monitoring software installed. That could add up to 10% of this survey, potentially completely changing the end results.

Bill: "Should we tell 'em the software is called Microsoft Update?"

Steve: "Hell no! Are you nuts?!?"

Re:Total Survey Numbers (2, Insightful)

Taikutusu (1479335) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373661)

Or in two words: sampling bias.

Re:Total Survey Numbers (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373713)

If you're worried about the small sample size, perhaps you can contact the exo performance network and see what data their software transmits and whether or not it would be useful to install on your 1000 client machines. If there's no personally-identifiable information sent back, and if the software is not responsible for crashing clients or disrupting work, it would definitely help the accuracy of the statistics.

Representative? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373585)

This is only representative of the 10,000 PCs running this software downloaded from InfoWorld, it would appear. This doesnâ(TM)t sound like it has anything to do with the âoereal worldâ unless you think that the subset of Infoworldâ(TM)s readers who would download this software are somehow representative of the broader Windows population.

Re:Representative? (5, Interesting)

war4peace (1628283) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373719)

Totally agree. And even whether it's 20K PCs, as the linked article says, I'd still not represent anything. Think about this: my company has 85000+ employees, and almost each of them have 2 machines (at least). Installing a reporting tool such as this on each machine will bring up wildly different results, reported by a much larger user base, and still would not be relevant at all. Why? because it's a closed environment, where necessities and limitations prevail. The charts look great, but their value is 0.

Re:Representative? (1)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373789)

Even more ignored are the machines running in a totally isolated or "specialty" environment such as kiosks, point-of-sale, order taking, and other closed (but not imbedded) systems. I know of a chain of pizza shops still running DOS boxes (and doing a great job!). I would bet that there are no HTPCs in this survey.

Re:Representative? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374043)

Totally agree. And even whether it's 20K PCs, as the linked article says, I'd still not represent anything...

You don't understand statistics, do you?

You have 170,000+ computers. Great. That is not a random sample. A random sample of 10,000 computers is enough to generate a confidence greater than 95%. It doesn't matter how many computers there are in total. Whether it is 1 or 100 billion or 100 million billions. 10,000 randomly chosen samples give you more than 95% certainty.

There's a reason to doubt this data, but sample size is not it.

Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .... (5, Insightful)

Wrath0fb0b (302444) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373591)

Of note is the fact that, two years after Vista's release, not even 30 percent of PCs actually run it

No, not even 30% of the subset of PCs with this performance-monitoring software run it. In order to claim that not even 30% of PCs run Vista, you would need to establish that the sampling method is not biased, which is a pretty implausible claim.

It would not surprise me if the subset of technically savvy PC users are biased towards XP and that subset of "Windows is what comes on the computer from the store" have whatever the store put on it.

Re:Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373967)

And there are 3 billion PCs in this planet, so 10,000 PCs ran by geeks that have some sort of creepy exo.esqueleton.spyware.thing installed are a REAL, TRUTHFUL, TRUSTFUL, RELIABLE data source. /. oblivion keeps amazing me, year after year...

Re:Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .. (1, Insightful)

blankinthefill (665181) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373969)

Too add to this, they claim Vista is just a flat out flop, when it has far more market share ALONE than all Macs combined. So why is it a total flop when its still managed to out-share Mac systems that are considered a success? How do you define success/flop anyways? Now, the adoption rate may not have been as high as Microsoft was aiming for, so for them it may have been a flop... but did they lose money on it? Was is a commercial flop? Or was it just a projections flop? Just what I've been thinking. Maybe I've been missing something, I guess... if anyone could tell me what it is maybe it would make more sense.

Re:Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374277)

Was is a commercial flop? Or was it just a projections flop? Just what I've been thinking. Maybe I've been missing something, I guess... if anyone could tell me what it is maybe it would make more sense.

Vista is a flop because it failed to meet expectations, both technical expectations and market adoption rate expectations. When a company does not make as much money as financial analysts said that should have made in a given quarter, what happens to their share price? Same principle applies here, failing to meet predicted adoption rates defines Vista as a flop.

Re:Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374219)

Thank You! I keep thinking exactly that every time I see these kinds of pseudo-statistics collected by spyware. It's useless outside the group of people that have the program installed. Frankly I find the people who deal in these lies disgusting.

Re:Need to retake to Introduction to Statistics .. (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374255)

> No, not even 30% of the subset of PCs with
> this performance-monitoring software run it.

On this particular issue, their numbers happen to agree with my experience. Actually, if I'd been guessing, I'd have put the percentage rather lower. Like, in single digits.

What the hell? (5, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373611)

If you have to sign up to be a part of the data gathering, it is NOT real-world usage, as the other billions of us out there haven't signed up.

And another thing.

The summary quotes a number of 10,000 sampled machines, yet the number in the first link says 20,000.
Which is it, boys?
A +/- variation of 50% in something as simple as the number of machines sampled leads me to believe there more then likely other errors.

Re:What the hell? (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373711)

actually, that's a +/- 100% variation, for people who saw the 10,000 number first.

so for all we know, the sample size could've been 0.

Re:What the hell? (2, Funny)

ChoboMog (917656) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373897)

A +/- variation of 50% in something as simple as the number of machines sampled leads me to believe there more then likely other errors.

actually, that's a +/- 100% variation, for people who saw the 10,000 number first. so for all we know, the sample size could've been 0.

So that means that the study is about as reliable as an average Slashdot poster. Great... =P

Re:What the hell? (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373741)

If you click on the graphs to go to the xpnet.com site, you'll see that it is reporting 10,270 active clients. That number was last updated 2 days ago, apparently.

Re:What the hell? (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373805)

A +/- variation of 50% in something as simple as the number of machines sampled leads me to believe there more then likely other errors.

I want to know where I can by the anti-virus software from Unknown - it seems to be the most popular by a long shot,

Re:What the hell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373811)

I think the only ones who know what operating systems and browsers their "community" uses, we should ask a botnet owner. I'm not joking.

Re:What the hell? (1)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373917)

Can someone provide some sort of evidence of a non-Windows OS machine being part of a botnet?

If not, I think your idea might produce slightly skewed results.

"Windows market share seems to have reached an all time high of 100%(+/- 3%), based on current data provided by surveyed Botnet operators. The Botnet operators cautioned that 3% of respondents failed to respond, and that any data should take this into account."

Re:What the hell? (2, Insightful)

agnosticnixie (1481609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374077)

It's also bad statistical methodology - if you have to sign up the sample is not random.

In other news.... (-1, Troll)

Taikutusu (1479335) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373653)

The sky is blue, the grass is green, and rabbits are procreating at a fast rate.

Re:In other news.... (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373721)

god damn rabbits, it looks like not teaching them sex ed in school did nothing to slow 'em down...

Re:In other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373781)

and linux is still for fags.

Legacy Software (4, Insightful)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373833)

10,000 PCs is a small sample size, try a few million. You might have a sampling error there if they are not randomly picked.

One reason why Windows Vista has not caught on is that older hardware won't run it, like my Father's Pentium 4, 512M, Windows XP Home System, it is not listed as Vista compatible and fails the Vista upgrade check. The memory cannot be upgraded to more than 512M due to motherboard limitations, and the video is not Aero compatible and there is no video slot to upgrade it. I doubt it will run Windows 7 either. Trying to force a Windows Vista install on it will mean that it will run slowly (512M is the minimum I know, but with that size memory Vista runs slow) and some features would be disabled.

My own laptop a Compaq Presario F700 series came with Windows Vista Home Premium on it, but it caused random lockups that Microsoft blamed on Compaq, and Compaq blamed on Microsoft, and after going in circles trying to get help I downgraded it to an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro that works without any problems at all. But I have a Windows 7 Pro upgrade coming in October to try it out. Hoping that if Windows 7 stinks as much as Vista did, that I can go back to XP Pro. On the other hand Fedora 11 works with the wireless card and it would make a good Linux based laptop when XP retires and there is no more updates for it. I just wish that Visual BASIC 2008/2005 works with WINE, because currently it does not, and I need to keep my VB skills up to date for possible jobs or contract work. Something about needing the BITS service installed to install the software. Otherwise the outdated and ancient Visual BASIC 6 works in WINE, but hardly anyone calls for VB 6.0 skills anymore.

Re:Legacy Software (2, Informative)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373869)

I have a Presario F700 as well. At first I dealt with Vista, but eventually I got fed up and found drivers to install XP. I've been running Win 7 64-bit on it since February and it runs great.

Re:Legacy Software (3, Insightful)

Rising Ape (1620461) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373879)

10,000 is a very large sample size, and adequate for almost anything. Vista's not *so* rare that it won't show up on a sample of 10,000.

However your point about random sampling is valid, although it would be just as big a problem with a sample of 10 million. This is a self-selected sample, so is highly likely to suffer from this a great deal.

Re:Legacy Software (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373933)

10,000 PCs is a small sample size

No, it's not. That's a huge sample size. Lots of legitimate statistical studies use about 1,000 samples, to generate confidence near 95%.

If you want to pick holes at the data, look at the selection bias. (Compare it to Debian's popularity contest application, which suffers from self-selection bias, but that bias is measurably small. Obviously, every Debian user is self-selecting. On the other hand, there is little self-selection bias for the popularity contest, since every user is presented the option to turn it on or off)

Re:Legacy Software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374039)

Er MONO?
http://www.mono-project.com/Visual_Basic

AFAIK all VB is now VB.NET

Mind you I think its a nice IDE as well, much nicer than Eclipse

Re:Legacy Software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374261)

For VB 2003+ (that's everything after 6.0) you are supposed to use Mono and not Wine.

Err 10,000 PCs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373883)

And this is supposed to be a valid statistic in a world where there are what 200 million PCs out there?

Re:Err 10,000 PCs? (1)

agnosticnixie (1481609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374097)

Yes, stats fail - the reason it's bad is that the experiment is completely drowning in selection bias (hence the sample is not random).

Mildly interesting but nothing unexpected (1)

rcolbert (1631881) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373903)

I thought the article was moderately interesting, and didn't differ all that much from what anyone in IT would expect. I think what it represents is the nature of systems purchased over time when it comes to things like CPU and RAM. It's not as if all of the choices were popular configurations available on the shelf at once. Mostly, it speaks to inertia and apathy as it intersects with de facto technology. For every person who is passionate about their favorite browser, there are a dozen people who barely know what a browser is, yet alone are aware of the fact that you can install a different browser other than what came along with the OS. I think the point of the article was trying to drive at was user preference, but what we're really seeing is a lot of people going to Best Buy and buying whatever meets their budget, and then simply using the computer 'as is' without putting further thought into it. In a sense, the PC is being treated more like an appliance and less like a PC with each passing generation of technology. I'm not sure that's surprising, and not even sure if that's really a problem.

82% - IE, 50% - Firefox and 16% - Chrome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373945)

about 82% use MSIE, almost 50% use firefox and maybe 16% use chrome.... I don't think so...

Re:82% - IE, 50% - Firefox and 16% - Chrome (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374195)

More than 100% of people use computers when you assume one computer per person.

Bad Data (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373957)

The only idiots dumb enough to install anything provided by Devil Mountain Software happen to be cut from the same cloth that isn't likely to have a positive attitude toward Vista, no matter if they used it or not. This isn't a random sampling of users. It's cool though. More free advertising for the exo.performance.network, also known as XP Net. Nope, not biased at all.

Phhoto app usage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29373971)

No Picasa?
Even with Photoshop on your system Picasa still comes in handy for importing photos, as its aware of RAW/DNG where as M$ built in thing ain't
I would recommend it to any normal user who didn't want to spend 3 months learning how to use PS or PS elements

Emperical evidence of bundling (1, Insightful)

kabloom (755503) | more than 4 years ago | (#29373977)

And here we have emperical evidence that Microsoft's bundling of IE does hurt the competition. OpenOffice can get a foothold on Windows becuase its competitor costs money, but Firefox can't because its competitor is free, and is built into every copy of Windows.

Just 10,000 PCs? (0)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374007)

With close to 1 billion computers, I am inclined to label this report as invalid. Heck, they did not even cover 1% of units! Can anyone take this serious?

Re:Just 10,000 PCs? (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374103)

Can anyone take your post seriously? Not if they understand statistics.

Re:Just 10,000 PCs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374317)

With close to 1 billion computers, I am inclined to label this report as invalid.

You own close to 1 billion computers? Wow, I'm impressed!

10,000 database? (0)

Gruff1002 (717818) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374061)

Extremely small sampling of the millions of "PC's" it probably only includes Windoze registered computers. There are plenty of people that hide behind VM's anyways no way to tell (maybe wrong here) what their using. Sorry if this redundant, just saw the post above mine.

and as usual the StatisticAreFlawed crowd is here (2, Insightful)

Savior_on_a_Stick (971781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374065)

and they aren't right.
They aren't even wrong.

The problem with vista (1, Informative)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374069)

It is impossible to do the most basic operations like:
  • Move a file over from one folder to another
  • Copy a file from one computer to another over the network
  • Cancel a file operation

I had an install of World of Warcraft on my desktop computer. I pick up a new laptop, I figure it would be faster to copy the WoW install I have on my desktop to over to the laptop over the network. After about an hour of "calculating time" - I tried to cancel the operation. Frustrated at the length of time it took to simply cancel a file, I literally pulled the plug on both machines and powered them back up.

After that I went to the Blizzard website on my laptop to download the client from there. And as for the add-ons, I zipped them up and mailed them to myself as an attachment, in order to save time.

Both the laptop and desktop have Vista on it (came with the computer).

Considering that companies usually have a central file server somewhere, imagine business workers trying to do basic file IO stuff, like copy word docs, spreadsheet files, or large .psd files from the Design Department.

As long as you never have to manage files on your computer, and you have gobs of ram, Vista is a nice OS. If not, it's better to wait for an alternative. I've preordered my copies of 7 a few months back, and I can't wait for the goddamn day I get rid of this POS operation system.

Then I can start streaming my music over the network to any machine in the house, once again.

Re:The problem with vista (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374117)

You obviously have the computing skills of a 7th grader. Please give it up. For all of our sakes.

Try patching your system (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374269)

That issue was patched a long, long time ago. Unless your LAN is 1mbit half-duplex, there's something seriously wrong with it. The patch was rolled into SP1 to boot, so... there's really no excuse for you to not have it fixed.

http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/02/04/2826167.aspx [technet.com]

PC Memory Installed graph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374083)

Who the hell thought up such moronic ranges for those memory bars? 1-2 GB, 2-3 GB, 3-4 GB?? As if someone would have 2,5 GB of memory. There's no way to make sense of what those bars actually mean.

Re:PC Memory Installed graph (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374189)

AFAICT, on low-end PCs highly likely RAM is shared with video RAM. Depending on how much is given to video, RAM size might vary.

Thus the silly size ranges.

Re:PC Memory Installed graph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374211)

My current laptop has 2.5GB of RAM. It came with 2x512MB, one was defective, I threw it out and replaced it with a 2GB stick. In any case, it's obvious that the ranges are exclusive at the higher end, so 1-2GB range includes 1GB, 1.5GB,... but does not include 2GB. Pretty simple really.

AMD v. Intel (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29374171)

That's quite interesting. The graph shows that about 25% of systems runs on AMD CPUs. Frankly (though I claim to be an AMD enthusiast) I thought that AMD now at 10-15% max.

Apparently, thanks to the media hype around high-end toys, low-end gets neglected. And low-end is a place were AMD is very strong. That's only way I can explain the 25% user share of AMD....

yeagh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29374239)

it's not designer, it's windows

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