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Microsoft Launches Its Own Open Source Foundation

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the said-the-spider-to-the-fly dept.

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darthcamaro writes "Microsoft already had its own open source (OSI-approved) licenses, its own open source project hosting site and now it's adding its own non-profit open source foundation. That's right, the company that is still banging the patent drum against open source now has its own 501(c)(6) open source foundation. Officially called the CodePlex Foundation, it's a separate effort from the CodePlex site and is aimed at helping to get more commercial developers involved in open source. Considering how they continue to attack Linux and open source, will anyone take them seriously?"

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trap (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380819)

It's a trap, don't give them your code!

Re:trap (4, Insightful)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380863)

keikaku doori
Translators note means: Just as Planned.

Re:trap (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380935)

How does it go again, embrace, extend...

Re:trap (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381007)

embiggen?

Re:trap (3, Funny)

Adelbert (873575) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381391)

embiggen?

That's a perfectly cromulent ending, but I think AC was going for "extinguish".

Re:trap (2, Funny)

stilldead (233429) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381557)

I thought he was going for all your code are belong to us.

Re:trap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381227)

...exploit.

Jealousy (4, Insightful)

mollog (841386) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381005)

I think Microsoft sees a lot of good work going on in the open source community and it wants to tap into that source of innovation. Regardless of what they say, Microsoft is sorely lacking in true, original innovation. Their best plays have been rip-offs of established ideas.

They have the money and they have to try, but I am doubtful that they'll do much else besides foster Microsoft-centric development of tools and programs similar to the Windows Powershell IDE by Dr. Tobias Weltner.

Re:Jealousy (2, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381065)

I think Microsoft sees a lot of good work going on in the open source community and it wants to tap into that source of innovation.

Cloning proprietary applications and OSes is innovation?

Their best plays have been rip-offs of established ideas.

Pot calling the kettle black? Almost any app you see in the Linux land is either a clone of a proprietary app or a clone of a clone (and so on).

Re:Jealousy (2, Insightful)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381185)

Cloning proprietary applications and OSes is innovation?

There are plenty of small, single purpose open source applications with small, innovative communities around them. Consider XMonad, a tiling window manager. No general purpose computer user would ever need a tiling window manager, but the interface is easily modified for turn key kiosk applications. It is excellent for automating repetitive programming jobs. And so on. Each of these is a small niche, but with active development, each niche gets what it needs.

Consider programming language communities, where people post code to ask questions, where people post code to answer them. That can't legally happen unless the code snippets are properly licensed. (Of course, a few out of context, anonymized lines of code hardly makes for a license violation, but you know lawyers). There is truly innovation in the programming language sphere, and Microsoft has a record of hiring successful open source language designers. Simon Peyton-Jones (of Haskell fame) is a recent example. This leads directly to new .NET languages and APIs. What's the name of the new functional MS database access API? LINQ?

Re:Jealousy (-1, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381213)

What's the name of the new functional MS database access API? LINQ?

Wow, which shows you know all of jack and shit about what LINQ is. LINQ is not a database access API. LINQ can query arrays, enumerable classes, XML, as well as relational databases.

Re:Jealousy (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381243)

That's great. It's a data store API, and not a data base API. Way to miss my point.

Re:Jealousy (0, Offtopic)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381353)

The fact that you were wrong about what something as basic as LINQ is doesn't make me have a high opinion of your other statements.

Re:Jealousy (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381441)

I have no particular interest in LINQ or your opinion of me. But thank you for sharing.

Re:Jealousy (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381269)

You basically got your argument handed right back to you with a bunch of reasonable reasons MS would be doing this and all you can do is latch onto an irrelevant mistake in the last sentence. Smooth.

Re:Jealousy (0, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381341)

I wasn't arguing against Microsoft doing this. I was laughing at the claims that the Linux world is full of innovation while Microsoft doesn't innovate anything. This ignoring the fact that Linux is a Unix clone and the vast majority of the Linux userland is clones of proprietary apps and clones of other apps.

Re:Jealousy (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381349)

Cloning proprietary applications and OSes is innovation?

MS-DOS 1.0 was originally QDOS, Tim Paterson's clone of Digital Research's CP-M. MS-DOS 2.0 was an attempt to clone some UNIX features. Some (folders, file handles, I/O redirection) were implemented successfully; others (namely pipes) are simulated due to the lack of any sort of task switching.

Pot calling the kettle black? Almost any app you see in the Linux land is either a clone of a proprietary app or a clone of a clone (and so on).

Windows is a clone of Mac OS classic, and Excel is a clone of VisiCalc and 1-2-3. Real or malarkey?

Re:Jealousy (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381387)

Completely irrelevant since I never claimed Microsoft was some great innovator.

Re:Jealousy (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381413)

I think you're rather abusing the word "clone" here. A clone would be identical. DOS was not a clone of CP/M, Windows was not a clone of MacOS, Excel is not a clone of VisiCalc. They have similar functionality, common concepts (I mean, there are only so many ways you can do a spreadsheet) and probably some operability or low-level rip offs, but they ain't clones.

Re:Jealousy (3, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381075)

Even if they take the best ideas elsewhere, MS products are usually solid and just work. Visual Studio is *still* considered the best development environment there is and with a reason. Windows is still the major mostly used OS in desktop (mac, the only competitor, doesn't really come even close).

Even if you have original ideas, you have to know how to put them together. Now to do something other than car analogy. Even if you have the best ketchup in the world, you cant make your hamburger better if its all burned up, rotten and full of bugs and worms. You need the *whole* thing to be good.

Meta-moderate flamebait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381239)

Funny how there is a lot of truth in that statement...

Re:Jealousy (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381257)

Oh you naive windows fool. You think MS products are usually solid and just work??? When has a MS product EVER "just worked"? Name one case....exactly. And saying that Visual Studio is the "Best IDE" is really a large jump, Most widely used, yes, but the best? Hardly. How much does VS Team Suite cost for a site license, and how much is XCode? I'd much rather develop in XCode any day of the week.

Visual Studio is big, bloated, slow, you name it. It's not even smart enough to generate a temporary intellisense file when I open up a code document, instead it'll only work if I have a project file open and the file I'm currently editing is currently in that project. And for some reason people seem to think that if you have VS that you have to use VSS...don't get me started on the pains of using VSS. Yet another example of how a free open source product beats the pants off of a MS product that they charge an arm and a leg for. SVN anybody?

Re:Jealousy (3, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381393)

and how much is XCode?

$600, but it comes with a free computer.

Re:Jealousy (0, Offtopic)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381499)

Worms. Operating system. Worms. Operating system. I'm working here. Straining my brain. Which operating system is full of worms, viruses, trojan horses, and other signs of rot? Worms........

Re:Jealousy (2, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381421)

I think Microsoft sees a lot of good work going on in the open source community and it wants to tap into that source of innovation.

Can we please kill the word "innovation" already?

I don't care about innovation, not should most people involved with software do. Ideas are trivial, implementation is king.

One Hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381281)

I just hope Microsoft's version of open source smells alot better than Richard Stallman's.

Re:trap (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380921)

Windows 7 is the best OS ever. Hell, even Windows Vista makes Ubuntu and OS X look like pathetic jokes.

Re:trap (4, Interesting)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381161)

Apparently you haven't used it. It is now my daily user at work, while it is a million times better than Vista, I still would rather use my Ubuntu at home or even my wife's Mac. The cool visuals wear off after about 2 days, and the long load times, random hangs start to become more noticeable. While Ubuntu is not perfect, it is free. And the cost to upgrade my wife's mac to Snow Leopard was a reasonable $29 versus the nearly $200 for windows.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (4, Insightful)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381105)

... doesn't seem to be working so well against open-source stuff. Maybe Microsoft's new strategy is to split and balkanize the open-source community with a bunch of conflicting licenses and communities.

Division, Discord, and Destruction

Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (5, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381131)

Maybe Microsoft's new strategy is to split and balkanize the open-source community with a bunch of conflicting licenses and communities.

Microsoft doesn't need to do that. The open-source community has been doing that just fine by themselves for years now.

Coal.. Kettle? (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380825)

the company formerly known as Traf-o-Data is supporting CodePlex, formerly known as Open Source? a Princely Idea that...

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (2, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380869)

That's right, the company that is still banging the patent drum against open source now has it's own 501c open source foundation.

As far as I've noticed, MS has just protected *other* patent-trolls by getting the patents what they need. I haven't noticed any misuse by them (if they have, please inform me too :)

Considering how they continue to attack Linux and open source will anyone take them seriously?

How have they actually attacked Linux? The same way that Linux attackes Windows, aka competition? Competition is good and will only improve products.

Just because Microsoft's main business model is in closed source, it doesn't mean a company that big cant contribute to open source at all. Their Bing search engine actually ignored MSN's Live platform [thinkdigit.com] , while providing that service to Facebook and Twitter.

The interesting thing is that MS really seems like trying to change their old ways, and if you look at it they're been pretty successful. Looks like they're dividing their different business aspects; Windows, xbox360, games, Bing.. They all are quite separate and are getting even more so, with only minor links between them.

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (4, Informative)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381013)

They have attacked Linux (or more specifically, Linux distributors) using the FAT long filenames software patent. I would call that an 'attack'; those who are a bit more twitchy about such things also use the word 'attack' for FUD-laden marketing materials and other run-of-the-mill corporate tactics.

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (1, Informative)

PRMan (959735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381209)

Actually, that was a defense. Tom Tom threatened to sue them first for something else. (I have a Tom Tom and several Windows machines. I have no favorites here, just pointing out that Microsoft did NOT sue first.)

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381041)

As far as I've noticed, MS has just protected *other* patent-trolls by getting the patents what they need. I haven't noticed any misuse by them (if they have, please inform me too :)

That, and there was an article yesterday how MS sold some patents to a company to sell them to OSI, or something like that.

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (2, Insightful)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381093)

mod parent up.

The Microsoft Corporation owes its shareholders a genuine effort to make money and to do the right thing for the long term. I really can't see how anyone could make a business case for Microsoft to have released Windows or Office to be Open Source - It would have been a highly risky strategy, with no "un-do" possible.

Here, they are trying to dip their toes into Open Source, and the summary bashes them. Geez, guys, get a life!

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (3, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381169)

Here, they are trying to dip their toes into Open Source, and the summary bashes them. Geez, guys, get a life!

The problem is that it is far too early to tell if this is just another attempt at "embrace, extend, extinguish" -- something MS has a very long and well documented history of doing, or the final stage of "ignorance, denial, attack, accept."

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (1)

Eirenarch (1099517) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381471)

OK so if MS really wanted to go open source to the degree meaningful to their business what should they do so Slashdot will say something positive? What would you do if you were in charge for the MS open source strategy?

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (2, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381321)

If they were ever smart enough to do a Good Thing â the world would support them because they are so well known. As much as I hate Microsoft personally if they changed, I'd be a pretty loyal guy. Everyone would. We could use true and open unified computing if done properly.

However, since we have that thing called history, and it can't be cleared like our browsers one, most people tend to believe that leopards don't change their spots.

I give it 6 years for Microsoft to evolve or die, really.

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381527)

Sorry - Microsoft has a VERY long and dirty history of bakstabbing, cheating and crushing every entity that trusted them.

I am afraid they have wait a long time for anyone would really trust them.

For no I am sure everyone is searching for the hidden knife Microsoft is gonna use to back-stab anyone that's stupid enough to trust them. And I can't blame them.

Face it - Microsoft has a very bad reputation and they earned that one fully. Nobody is stupid enough to trust Microsoft for one second. And history has proven them right time and time again.

So - trusting Microsoft? Hmmm... maybe within a few years - until they have fully proven -without any doubt- this is not another try way to crush opposition again...

Re:Coal.. Kettle? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381339)

I don't think open source means what Microsoft thinks it means. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Ballmer or somebody was calling open source a "cancer" and some Microsoftie slashdotters trollishly called it "open sores"?

Maybe they're trying to polish their image, or clean up their act. I hope it's the latter.

Wait a sec... (4, Funny)

wumpus188 (657540) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380839)

Are we in Soviet Russia now?

Re:Wait a sec... (1, Troll)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380877)

Off topic, but yes we are and have been for several months now.

Re:Wait a sec... (5, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381121)

No, my brother, Soviet Russia is in you now.

Re:Wait a sec... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381319)

Nyet, comrad.

Re:Wait a sec... (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381343)

In the Tsardom of Russia, you have a succession of Czars.
In contemporary America ... Er same

Oh yeah? (5, Funny)

Zarf (5735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380843)

we'll make our *own* Open Source only ours will be better and it'll have beer and hookers! Ha! Forget the beer and hookers! ... wait ... that's not how that goes...

Re:Oh yeah? (0, Redundant)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380917)

We'll have our own Open Source with BlackJack and Hookers!!! Actually forget the Open Source and BlackJack...

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380945)

Now the most interesting part is still to be solved... how do you get girls with open source?

Re:Oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381027)

Now the most interesting part is still to be solved... how do you get girls with open source?

Screw that. Girls with open source are good (especially while you are driving...), I'd prefer a girl with either open destination standards.

Re:Oh yeah? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381109)

I try to avoid the girls with open sores. Though ironically a trojan can actually protect you from malware and viruses.

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381139)

But if you change the girl.. does that mean you have to share her with everyone?

(as a sidenote, i like the freebsd girl http://nerijus.raguvele.lt/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/freebsd.jpg [raguvele.lt] )

Re:Oh yeah? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381231)

Only if you distribute her do you have to share the changes.

noob

Re:Oh yeah? (2, Funny)

iceOlate (1094287) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381037)

Open Source Hookers, while they may be free, come with open sores...

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381047)

Wanna see my code base?

Re:Oh yeah? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381419)

Wow, you guys might like some of my journals. [slashdot.org] No blackjack, unfortunately. Or maybe that's not so unfortunate?

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380855)

Where's Admiral Ackbar when you need him?

Miguel de Icaza??? LOL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380867)

This has to be some elaborate joke by Microsoft.

Parental oversight (4, Informative)

proslack (797189) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380881)

From the link "The CodePlex Foundation will complement existing open source foundations and organizations, providing a forum in which best practices and shared understanding can be established by a broad group of participants, both software companies and open source communities."

Seems like a meta-organization for open source entities, under the watchful eye of Redmond.

Re:Parental oversight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381165)

One Source to rule them all!

Re:Parental oversight (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381241)

Translation: Major industry vendors will be able to get together, trash and make threats against real Open Source projects, all under the banner of OSS.

Linux is only for special use cases (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380883)

Considering the stuff on CodePlex is way more useful than Linux, I'd say yes, people will take them seriously.

Re:Linux is only for special use cases (2, Funny)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381021)

At least the CodePlex folks didn't skimp on the astroturfing budget.

Why not? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380891)

The FSF attacks open source, and some people still take them seriously. So why not Microsoft?

/facepalm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380893)

What's wrong with this company? It's trying to be both good and evil at the same time!

Re:/facepalm (0)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381049)

It could be an attempt to Embrace open source... Extend it with their licenses... then put the nail in the coffin and Extinguish said licenses when/if they become the defacto standard Open Source agent.

Re:/facepalm (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381101)

How can they extinguish a software license?

Eh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380915)

I'm pretty sure MS recognizes the validity and power of open source, but like many companies, they don't see potential profitability from it. They probably aim to acquire code and such from collaboration as well as employed programming.

This is mainly a Tax Strategy (2, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380925)

It is a way for Microsoft to reduce its tax bill - Donate a few hundred million dollars worth of code to a charity you control and get a nice tax receipt.

Re:This is mainly a Tax Strategy (4, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380967)

Not sure it it's that or the fact that they are still trying to be the "center" of technology. It's been revealed in internal docs that they'd rather see their system or standard being used rather than someone else. If they can push their way into Open Source development and corner the market on it, they can phase out licenses they don't agree with and form the community how they like instead of how the community does.

mod parent up (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381089)

Parent's post is likely scenario.

Just as they desperately need DotnetNuke to stay relevant in CMS, they need this to stay relevant in other areas.

At this point I'm guessing customers they care about are talking about Open Source and the Microsoft sales rep needs to say "Yeah, we got that." while they are on their way in the Microsoft limo to the strip club/whorehouse.

Re:mod parent up (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381365)

Just as they desperately need DotnetNuke to stay relevant in CMS

I can assure you that very few people involved in .NET app hosting/development take DNN seriously. It's probably one of the worst examples of .NET web application development out there.

Re:This is mainly a Tax Strategy (1)

Plug (14127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381193)

They want to see open source software running on Windows, and want to see IIS as the web server of record, not Apache.

The non-MS participators (with the somewhat odd, but welcome, exception of Monty Widenius) appear to be mostly from a .NET background - Mono project leader; co-founder of MindTouch, whose engine is built on .NET (but run primarily on Mono); co-founder of DotNetNuke, open source on ASP.NET, run primarily on Windows.

Doesn't mean that the software you run on Windows/IIS is any less Free, however. And you can still run it on Mono.

Will anyone take them seriously ? (1)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29380931)

Unfortunately, they will. You can't imagine how quickly people will forget (or never bother to check) that Microsoft is behind this foundation. Also, Im guessing that people will be quick to forget Microsoft's track record, and participate.

Re:Will anyone take them seriously ? (1)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381279)

The last time I took Microsoft seriously... the OS wouldn't boot because the Registry suddenly became corrupt. As a result, I couldn't access my files.

So I burned a CD of Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) at work and installed it at home.

Thanks for giving me the last 4 years of stable computing, Microsoft! I'm glad I took you seriously.

Will anyone take them seriously? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29380959)

Of COURSE they will. In the REAL WORLD the vast majority of "open source" developers and users reside on either Windows or OS X. Linux and FreeBSD are niche OS's for people who are either too cheap to use OS X or too anti-Microsoft to use Windows. Naturally I will be moderated down as a troll, but I have easy proof, go look at what operating systems people run at ANY open source conference and you will see a wide swath of different PC's running Windows and Mac's running OS X. Linux? FreeBSD? Nope, sorry dudes, got take the short bus.

This is actually good news for open source, because before Microsoft took interest, very very few people really gave a shit about open source. Hell, other than Apache, I can't name a single open source tool or app that is better than its closed source equivalent. Microsoft is looking to turn this around by helping open source developers code to a REAL platform that is properly developed with coherent API's and a solid foundation of engineering that systems like Linux and FreeBSD simply lack. The reality is that open source applications need a closed source platform to build upon. Linux and FreeBSD were interesting experiments but the market has spoken and they have failed. It is about time you lot accepted reality and moved on.

Re:Will anyone take them seriously? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381277)

Samba is way more efficient and less resource hungry than Windows' SMB services.

But keep talking, you filthy little shill.

A little naive, as usual. (4, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381029)

"We believe that commercial software companies and the developers that work for them under-participate in open source projects," Microsoft stated.

While I applaud the intent to appear to be open source friendly, they haven't yet begun to address two of the major issues with Microsoft and open source:

  1. What happens when a Microsoft developer inadvertently contributes to their Open Source repository something better than a commercial Microsoft offering?
  2. Most of us developing commercial software *CAN NOT* participate in open source projects due to overly broad non-compete clauses in our contracts. The extent of our participation is not up to us, or Microsoft - it's up to our employer, and Microsoft's recent action in this regard does nothing to change this.

Now, here we have Microsoft reinventing the wheel, aka sourceforge. I could even go for a BSD style license, or even public domain. But I have one question:

Would they host, and allow development on ReactOS? (for those who don't know, it's an open source Windows clone)

How Codeplex and Microsoft deal with this question would reveal far more about their true intentions than what their pundits say about their open source attitude.

Re:A little naive, as usual. (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381233)

of course they would love to host ReactOS! then release ReactOS plus pro, which is like ReactOS but includes some blobs (never mind those theyre fine! in fact you can play call of duty using them which helps ReactOS more!) and microsoft-brand open source licensing restrictions (consider them freedom to compete!) heck, we'll include it somehow in vista too so people have choice now between a shit OS and a hijacked project they will associate with said shit OS.

and in 11 months you can say "ReactOS" and people will say "nah, i just waited for 7."

Re:A little naive, as usual. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381297)

Maybe, some more details at

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/

Re:A little naive, as usual. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381461)

While I applaud the intent to appear to be open source friendly

Don'y you mean the appearance of being open source friendly? I think that's more accurate, and I certainly don't applaud it. I do hope that is indeed their intent, but I sincerely doubt it. It just isn't in their nature.

Short Answer: (1, Troll)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381033)

No.

It's like Hitler funding a synagogue - you KNOW there's an alterior motive.

Hitler was a Jew, grandfather in Solomon family (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381453)

What I find odd is how the same sarcasm continues despite all the research done. The fact is that Adolph Hitler was a Catholic Jew, not a diasporic one but he did in-fact push Jews back into an Israeli competition to Palestine. Also of note was the somewhat millions of Jews serving in the German Army, most-likely this was true to prove that the National Socialist Party wasn't anti-shemetic by not convicting cooperative Germanic Jews but in-deed hated the non-Germanic Jews sending the wealth to other countries. The next proof is that Adolph Hitler's chosen generals and party leaders were in-fact authentic jews with jewish names; Joseph Gerbils, the minister of (dis)Information was a jew and in the new Nazi-approved German berth registry the native people in Germany may only name their children Germanic names (and Joseph wasn't on the list). And last to conclude, just like Ahnold Schwartzen-nigger, Adolph Alois Michelgrubber Hitler was from Austria where he got his Aryan blood but sucking it dry off the cocks of Austrians.

Only in a nigger'd country does the word for white (shemite) can be slandered as meaning "Jew" when it in-fact is the a$$-pho-king opposite.

"Plex"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381039)

Google -> googol -> googolplex.

Microsoft steals again!

Re:"Plex"? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381091)

Yeah, Microsoft certainly can't use a common word ending like "plex" for its own gain, that's stealing. Google clearly had a the creative idea. Nobody came up with any other "plex" based names before Google... like megaplex, supaplex, Com Plex, Plex...

Re:"Plex"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381201)

Whoooooooooooooosh, says the wind.

come on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381045)

Considering how they continue to attack Linux and open source will anyone take them seriously?

Come on, do you really think that if Microsoft suddenly open sourced ALL there software that they would also praise linux, which is a competing product regardless of the license? No, of course not. They are still going to say that linux sucks, and that Microsoft's products are better.

Three Words (1, Flamebait)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381073)

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

Will anyone take them seriously? (1)

jfbilodeau (931293) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381115)

Answer: Yes.

Like it or not, MS is going to spin this in a way that PHB will take it seriously--but seriously only in the Microsoft way.

Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381133)

And in other news, Neo-Nazis just formed a human rights watch group. It should go just as well as this will.

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381469)

And in other news, Satan announced that he will begin offering a confession service starting next week.

Windows BSD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381181)

Windows has always been under a BSD license... I've seen it all over the place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death

Company wide MS meeting today (2, Interesting)

MountainLogic (92466) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381245)

MS is tying up traffic in Seattle today to bring all of their people together in one of the city's sports stadiums. Anybody know if that is the usual monkey-boy chair toss or is something up?

Lurking in the inky blackness of the void... (5, Funny)

paiute (550198) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381287)

Remember that butt ugly fish with a mouth full of razor-sharp teeth that lives way down deep and has a worm-like appendage that dances tantalizingly just in front of its mouth? That's what I thought of when I read this story.

read the fine print (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381293)

I would want to read the fine print, read between the lines, ask 4 lawyers and then maybe think about putting anything on their site.

I also have to ask, just what do they gain from this _if_ they are completely on the up-and-up with this? Is it advertising or is it that they get to see/measure projects activity so they'll know where to put more marketing dollars to fight it? Or maybe keep and eye on what's active and they should buy up and shut down? Is it just advertising dollars? I really doubt it's about ad dollars because they had better know that the developer community is smaller than the general online population so they'd be targeting a much smaller piece of pie and a piece of pie they have gone to great lengths( sometimes even illegal ones ) to keep control of.

There is no _new Microsoft_ so what really is their motive here and what can they do with this to continue their fight to stop open source software growth and along with it, the GNU/Linux open source projects?

LoB

Tools? (2, Interesting)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381357)

I'm not sure, but my first inclination is that they probably want to encourage the development of Open Source software which is based upon Microsoft Technologies and Tools, so that such projects still require Windows to run, and maybe require Visual Studio, SQL Server, etc to build/implement/install?

I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't be *too* upset about Open Source software which depends upon Microsoft's software to actually work or be built.

Tags (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381389)

No itsatrap tag?

It's perfectly utlitarian (3, Interesting)

malevolentjelly (1057140) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381433)

Maybe they're trying to develop a functional open source movement within their development culture? After all, Microsoft sells a platform. The DOS free software movement was a boon to their platform, not a detraction.

We're not looking at a war of ideas, we're looking at a basic platform war. Take Apple, for instance; they sell a high-end commercial platform which heavily leverages the open source ecosystem to augment and flesh-out their platform. Commercial software can be obnoxious, even to a platform vendor: it works against its platform, it puts branding over adherence to user experience, and it makes computer usage frustrating.

If the Windows platform were viewed from the angle of its development community instead of as a vessel for shareware, then they might be able to preserve and further their platform against more open markets (even Apple) coming up against them.

The full F/OSS stack (Linux-FOSS-and above) is a weak platform technically, but a strong idea. Microsoft doesn't have to give up the idea of a professionally maintained platform to leverage an open source third party software ecosystem. Better within their sphere of influence than outside of it. Microsoft is offering an extremely friendly and accessible development environment to its users already; it would be a boon to foster an influx of new platform-defining free applications that add value while not becoming an issue of anti-trust.

Tree Of Knowledge & The Serpent (2, Interesting)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#29381519)

People who develop and know how to use Linux are a different bred. They tend to be self reliant and innovative. Corporations like MS tend to naturally harbour fiefdoms around which barriers are effected that can stifle just the type of innovation Linux is driven by. The adage "faster nervous systems eat slower nervous systems" can apply where institutions allow barriers like glass ceilings to protect managers, the barriers erected can be seen as speed bumps and additional costs that Open Source skirts. Open Source may look haphazard in it's development but then so does evolution and both do OK in the long run.

A lot of Open Source people use Linux and similar OSes because they need to be able to innovate on the spot and not go begging and pleading with Corporate masters for permission to alter a bit of code. Open Source, in my experience, is about innovation and extensibility. MS expected Linux to die of SIDS in its crib. It didn't. I now think MS sees the power and benefits of Open Source and is looking to undermine Linux by offering a similar environment to lure academics and scientists to a similar platform while mining their innovations.

It's kinda like the serpent wants to take a bite out of the apple.

Go Joe Wilson on them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29381547)

"We believe that commercial software companies and the developers that work for them under-participate in open source projects," Microsoft stated.

* stands up *

You lie!

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