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Microsoft Rushes Out Office Web Apps Preview

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the no-hurry-at-all dept.

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CWmike writes "Today Microsoft launched a limited beta test of its Office Web Apps, the company's first public unveiling of its rival for Google's Web applications. Dubbed a 'technical preview' by Microsoft to denote that it's by invitation only, Office Web Apps will be available on the company's Windows Live site via a special 'Documents' tab. 'Tens of thousands have been invited to participate in the Technical Preview,' said a spokeswoman in a reply to questions. An analyst with Directions on Microsoft is quoted: 'This is earlier than I expected. I thought we wouldn't see this until the SharePoint conference at the end of October. Maybe the recent Google moves had some bearing on Microsoft's timing.' The reference was to Google's announcement Tuesday that it will offer online services next year, including Google Web Apps, that are specially designed for US government agencies."

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Yay I can rent my software! (4, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29461545)

I'm sure the annual rental fee will be so much cheaper (cough) than the $150 I spent to buy Office 97 (~$11.50 per year).

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (3, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | about 5 years ago | (#29461609)

Remember that the price also includes free upgrades. OK, most of what they've done to Office since 1997 has been worthless, but there are at least a few nice features since then.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about 5 years ago | (#29462009)

None of them worth the price of the software.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | about 5 years ago | (#29464079)

Remember that the price also includes free upgrades.

Are you referring to patches (which should be free), or ribbons (which should not be)? ;)

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (5, Insightful)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | about 5 years ago | (#29461613)

Some would say that with Microsoft EULA's, you pretty much rent it anyway...Some would say that.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461621)

Some???

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

SilverHatHacker (1381259) | about 5 years ago | (#29461773)

In case of fire, break glass.
In case of fanboys, cover butt and run.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461865)

In case of a well hung stud, bend over and spread your ass cheeks!

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461825)

Some would say GNU/zealots should get out of their parents basements and bathe...Some would say that.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462061)

Some???

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

lorenlal (164133) | about 5 years ago | (#29462305)

I'm sorry, that didn't quite work... a lot of people actually *go out there* and rent that software.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462649)

A lot of people actually *bathe* too

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29462069)

No not a rental, since I can take the original CDs and Box and resale my copy of Office97 on ebay. That's one advantage of ownership.

Not For Retail Or OEM Distribution... (4, Informative)

Xin Jing (1587107) | about 5 years ago | (#29462301)

Resale is currently one advantage of the retail product manufacturer that is probably on the way out if MS has anything to do with it. Take any application that requires the activation key to be linked with a user name and a password, or explicitly forbids the resale of the software to a third party, and you have a product that can only be sold to one person.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limitations_on_exclusive_rights:_Computer_programs [wikipedia.org] "This one change by congress has resulted in the odd situation where software makers claim that purchasers do not own the software but rather only license it. The courts have split on whether or not the claim in the software agreement that a purchaser does not own the software is enforceable and thus require an additional license to use the software."

Further, "The law allows any copies that are created for the above purposes to be transferred when the software is sold, only along with the copy made to prepare them. Adaptations made can not be transferred without permission from the copyright holder."

Which is why any self-respecting software distributer wants to close that 'archival copy' loophole and require each instance of the software to perform an authentication with a unique CD Key.

A good example of the implementation is Valve and Steam. Here is a company that does digital downloads of the same retail product with the same limitation, they all have to authenticate each time the software is run.

Re:Not For Retail Or OEM Distribution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29463983)

Ye, that's where piracy comes in... If they want me to buy their software (which I didn't anyway :P ) they'll have to put in some less draconian licenses.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (5, Insightful)

Korbeau (913903) | about 5 years ago | (#29461643)

One thing I'm sad that has not been fixed since Office 97 is the bullet points. Maybe I am missing something, or I'm using too much bullet points, but there is always some point when I'm writing a mail in Outlook or editing an Office document where I'll either:

    - loose indentation for some unclear reason. The bullet will start at the middle of the screen. And how to go back to the correct indentation is some voodoo magic
    - won't be able to create a bullet point on the same level of indentation than the previous one, after I made some multi-line text under the bullet or went back from correcting some text at another place in the doc

That makes me think about another annoying thing about Office: if 99% of the text of my document is in pt.10 Arial, and then I bold some word, please please please don't make it so if I put the caret after the word all the remaining of the text comes bold!!! Ok, when I'm still typing it's ok... but when I just highlighted the word, made it bold, then went back editing another part of the doc, then came back again ... NO!

This kind of behavior forces me to put spaces everywhere around where I make the slightest format change (and even around where I insert images etc.)

Anyway ... my final point is: if they can't fix simple usability stuff (and I didn't even go into table layout etc.) in 12 years having full execution control of a fast turing-machine, what can I expect of some Web App emulating office?

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 5 years ago | (#29461873)

There's also some point when you confuse loose/lose.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about 5 years ago | (#29462049)

As much as I despise office suites in general (seriously, I have a perl script that processes plain text into LaTeX and compiles it automatically for me just so I never have to muck with an office suite), most of those sound like PEBKACs. Or you're describing them poorly.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (4, Informative)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 5 years ago | (#29464865)

No, you are just an ignorant asshole. What the GP complains about are, in fact, actual (usability) bugs with Office.

I'm not sure I agree with the style format complaint, but he does describe it accurately. Bullets and numbered lists do indeed behave as poorly as described.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0, Redundant)

nmb3000 (741169) | about 5 years ago | (#29462107)

One thing I'm sad that has not been fixed since Office 97 is the bullet points.

I really have never had trouble with bullet points in Office. Controlling indentation is usually pretty easy, you just TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move the bullet right or left. If you need to insert a new bullet, just put the cursor at the end of the previous bullet and hit ENTER.

Another important thing to know about bullets if you want to use them effectively is that you can left-click on a bullet to select the bullets in that particular list (each set of bullets is a separate "object" in a document). Right-clicking the selection to bring up a context menu gives you a bunch of options, including some nice ones such as changing the indentation en masse, changing the bullet graphics, and, for numbered lists, either continuing or restarting the numbering sequence.

Obviously YMMV based on what you're doing, but I've never come across any obvious or egregious problems with bullets in Word. They seem to behave the way you would expect. Tables are maybe less robust, but even then, if you know what you're doing (a key component to everything I suppose) they also work pretty well (and more flexibly than Excel in many cases).

This isn't to say I don't have have any gripes with Word (~$obar.doc anyone?). Any person who has used a piece of software for any meaningful amount of time will have legitimate gripes. If not they're either a blind fanboy or in marketing.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

Korbeau (913903) | about 5 years ago | (#29462521)

Thanks for answering this so thoroughly, definitely some helpful tips here (I'm though already aware of most shortcuts I must say)

Just to be a little more specific (and since some other replies also had the comment that "there does not seem to be anything wrong here ...")

I guess some people know in advance what they are writing because they have all figured out beforehand. Or some people don't care about formatting until the end. I'm somewhat in-between. I like to format my documents nicely as I write them but only where it counts and when it helps me order my thoughts. But as I do I also go back and forth a lot, rewrite/replace whole paragraphs, add little reminder to go verify a fact, etc. And I'm a little like the Spanish Inquisition. I have 2 points, no 3 points I want to make :)

So ... when I write technical doc in ASCII for instance it can get quite messy, but at least I know exactly what needs to be done to have the correct formatting (remove all these spaces here, add equal signs there to underline this word, put this in caps ...)

But in Word I always come in situations where I do not have a clue what went wrong but all I enter is simply messy (wrongly bulleted, wrongly indented, wrongly formatted ...) and I can't figure out how to fix it. In these situations I'd REALLY like to be able to see some underlying XML or something ... but I have no choice but to copy & paste all my text elsewhere (sometimes even in notepad to remove formatting) and then clean-up the document real-nice before pasting it back.

Just try playing around with bullets, adding all sorts of pasting and line-breaks between them, delete text, insert text inside ... maybe I'm cursed, but in 30 second time I already have very weird behaviors going on, like bullets going on a third level of indentation where I never pressed the Tab key more than once.

Anyway, I would not bitch about this if Word did not try to be more and more friendly and WYSIWYG every release. There was a time where the default layout was almost to see every line-break characters. Now in Office 2007 you are in the "Print Layout" by default. But the screaming ... it never stops! I simply cannot imagine what it would be like on the web under the same dumbed-down ideology.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (5, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | about 5 years ago | (#29462121)

  • You
  • need
  • Office 2007
  • Excessive Bullet
  • Point edition

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29465099)

  • Burma Shave

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (3, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | about 5 years ago | (#29462233)

> what can I expect of some Web App emulating office?

- loose indentation for some unclear reason
- how to go back to the correct indentation is some voodoo magic
- won't be able to create a bullet point on the same level of indentation, after making some multi-line text under the bullet or going back from correcting some text at another place in the doc

Fixed since Office 2003 at least (0, Redundant)

mindcorrosive (1524455) | about 5 years ago | (#29462591)

- loose indentation for some unclear reason. The bullet will start at the middle of the screen. And how to go back to the correct indentation is some voodoo magic

That's why you can quick indent with Tab and Shift+Tab, although I'm not sure what's this "voodoo" behaviour you seem to imply. You can control tab stops and indentations from the ruler - it's not the best, but works good most of the time.

- won't be able to create a bullet point on the same level of indentation than the previous one, after I made some multi-line text under the bullet or went back from correcting some text at another place in the doc

Oh, you mean, like, when you are writing the list, and you want to include some paragraphs under a bullet, and you press Shift+Enter to break inside the longer text, and then when you press Enter again it reverts back to bulleted list? That has been around for as long as I remember, although I cannot verify since which version exactly.

If I had to complain about Word, I'd more likely mention the lack of a proper citation/bibliography mechanism, or missing font kerning and ligatures, or the confusing ordeal of customizing styles vs. manually specifying section formatting. Word is one of the Microsoft's products I hate with passion - and do not use.

Seriously, when a person gets *that* pissed with a rich text editor, then you should try LaTeX - it's little more than HTML+CSS in principle. An eye opener, no less.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

rainhill (86347) | about 5 years ago | (#29462745)

You type so much to notice all that? what are you Stephen King's typist?

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29464795)

Oh I've found you brother, at long last!

Me too, I've had to fanny about with bullets in almost all MS software! What's worse, no one else believes there's a problem or at least a usage issue!

We're no longer alone!

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | about 5 years ago | (#29461705)

Well it's free.

Organization licenses cost money but multiple Office licenses wouldn't cost you nearly as little as your $150.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (2, Insightful)

Megane (129182) | about 5 years ago | (#29462223)

It's only free if you don't count the cost of lost productivity when the office internet breaks.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (2, Informative)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 5 years ago | (#29462481)

That's why I still prefer to use OpenOffice. Google Docs is useful for generating content, especially as a collaborative effort, but for word processing or spreadsheet work it blows. There are times when you have to unplug the outside world (especially in my case, since I'm easily distracted when I need to get work done) and having an office suite is seriously useful.

I expect someone will jump in here and say I should be using LaTex, and maybe I should. I have just never made time to master it.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | about 5 years ago | (#29463197)

I expect someone will jump in here and say I should be using LaTex, and maybe I should. I have just never made time to master it.

Well yes, you should learn LaTex, but not for the spreadsheet work. ;) Seriously though, whilst Open Office is nearly as good as MS Office for most people's purposes (there are some long-time glitches though, like the "Adjusting Row Height" bug in Calc), neither feel anything other than clumsy once you're used to proper document-generation tools. If you don't want to take the time to learn LaTex, or find it a little limited by modern standards, try a DTP tool such as Scribus. [scribus.net] . There is still a learning curve, but after producing immaculate looking PDFs or printout with tools like this, you may find Word (or Writer) quite frustrating. At least that's what happened to me.

I agree fully with the need to unplug the outside world, though in my case it's more an issue of not wanting Google or MS interns to be able to read through all my work.

"Adjusting Row Height" bug in Calc (1)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | about 5 years ago | (#29463299)

(there are some long-time glitches though, like the "Adjusting Row Height" bug in Calc)

What is the bug number? Post it here.

Re:"Adjusting Row Height" bug in Calc (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29463339)

(there are some long-time glitches though, like the "Adjusting Row Height" bug in Calc)

What is the bug number? Post it here.

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=92316

I have your Office floating beneath me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461895)

It's an unfortunate inevitability of life -- everybody poops. And
while this task can occasionally provide us with an opportunity to
relax or engage in some deep thinking, there are other instances when
this basic undertaking becomes a chore no person should have to
endure. Whether or not these stooling sessions can be tolerated, is
often determined by one single factor: where it is taking place? If
you're alone in the privacy of your own home, why not make an hour of
it and get some reading in? However, if you're at work with your boss
sitting in the adjacent stall, you'd better hold off on dropping
anything for fear of creating an embarrassing splash. With that in
mind though, things could be worse, and here are eight examples of how
much worse..

8-The Wilderness Toilet

This is essentially taking a #2 in a wall-less bathroom. Sure,
you're in a pretty remote location, but it's not so remote that they
haven't needed to accommodate other people with full bowels. At any
second, some fellow hiker could round that nearby group of trees and
put an eyeball on you while you prepare to release yesterday's granola
bar. It's also safe to assume that since this toilet is on a path
intended for people who want to get away from the hectic bustle of
society, that same society's emphasis on cleanliness and sterile
toilets is far removed as well. And since the act of pooping leaves
man at nearly his most helpless, this would seem like the ideal time
for a voracious wild animal to attack. So, not only is this an
uncomfortable practice, but it's a dangerous one as well.

7-School

Kids can be merciless. They will go to great measures to find any
points of weakness in their unfortunate victims, and to a youth,
finding out that someone has been pooping presents an incredible
opportunity for ridicule. Yet, at times your body requires you to crap
at these academic establishments, and so you are immediately presented
with the impossible task of somehow taking an undetectable dump, or
completely leaving school. If you excuse yourself from class, the time
you spend in the bathroom will surely be recorded by your callous
peers, and upon return, you will be thoroughly mocked. If you try and
poop in between class, you'll be too worried about the possibility of
being tardy, and you'll probably pinch it off before you're completely
done. And even if you muster up the courage to attempt this risky
procedure, there's always the risk of someone walking in and berating
you while you take part in what should be one of mankind's most
private moments. So please children, let each other poop in peace.

6-Your New Girlfriend/Boyfriend's House

Let's say you're about to leave your newly-acquired significant
other's residence after your first sleep over, when nature suddenly
decides this would be the perfect moment to defecate. Maybe it's the
nerves after a night of apprehensive tongue-kissing and heavy petting,
or maybe it's the three-bean taco salad you ate prior to the
caressing, but whatever the case, your body's telling you it needs to
be relieved immediately. Now the bathroom in this situation is
certainly not the problem; it's clean, and probably provides some sort
of reading material. The problem is what will happen to this new and
delicate relationship once the odorous evidence of your actions hits
the air. There may be an air-freshener, or perhaps you're carrying
some matches, but that will only mask the smell, and the psychological
damage of having your body demonstrate what it's like at its most foul
will forever remain in the nostrils of their brain. This will
permanently change how your significant other looks at you.

5-The Port-a-Potty

Here's what the Port-a-Potty brings to waste elimination sessions:
One--They're typically found in unfamiliar, public locations that can
make an already-taxing exercise more stressful. Especially, as you,
the pooper, realize there's a massive line of concert or tractor-pull
attendees waiting outside who will soon discover you've not taken a
#1. Two--Extremely unclean facilities that, due to their often-remote
locations, don't easily accommodate cleaners. Three--The disgusting
split-second glimpse you get of that mysterious dung-urine-water that
you're about to add to, right before either gingerly setting yourself
atop the seat or hovering an inch above said seat. I wish man hadn't
invented this monstrous building.

4-The House Party

You're attending what some annoying guy is describing as the most
legendary party ever, when the large amount of spirits you've consumed
starts to disrupt your bowels. So you immediately locate that massive
line of people looking to empty their alcohol, and join the
congregation awaiting the one bathroom in the entire house. Luckily,
the line moves fairly quickly due to the fairer sex's ability to
utilize a single toilet in large groups, and the fact that the
majority of people are just urinating. Unfortunately, as you reach the
front, the line continues to grow behind you with people just as
anxious to relieve themselves. Only they're not taking a #2 like you
are. As you finally enter what is always a very unkempt bathroom and
proceed to clean off all the errant urine around the stool, you become
completely aware that what you're about to do is going to take some
time. Not only will the massive and continuously growing line become
increasingly upset as you attempt to poop, but eventually your
bathroom-disrupting exploits will be known by all at this bash. And
that same annoying man who termed this party as legendary, will term
your dump "the crap heard around the party." Good luck hooking up
now.

3-The Airport

Now certainly there are dirtier bathrooms than this, and as far as
public pooping goes, it can be a lot worse. However, there is one
aspect of the airport restroom that has recently made us all question
what else those toilet stall walls have seen. And that's Senator Larry
Craig. It's hard enough for me to get over the fact that maybe 5
minutes ago another man sat on this seat and emptied his waste, but to
think that maybe a publicly elected official was in here copulating
with a random stranger pushes me over the edge. How do I overcome that
fear? Can I simply lay strips of toilet paper down over the seat, as
if I was taking a normal #2? Or do I select the one odd stall without
a door, knowing that surely a heterosexual Senator would be
uncomfortable accosting me an exposed setting? No, ultimately what I
must do is hold it. Hold it until I get on the plane and am able to
enter a restroom where it's well known that people never engage in the
act of fornication.

2-The Gas Station

Simply put, these are the most vile, repugnant, and unkempt
bathrooms on the planet. Since the opening of any gas station, not
once has an employee walked into that waste collecting room with the
intention of tidying things up a bit. The poo that sits unflushed in
the toilet is the same poo that has sat in that lavatory for the past
25 years, and it now has begun to move freely on its own. Attempting
to wash your hands in this room will only lead to the contraction of
some sort of a disease and the walls appear to have some sort of goo
running down them, which originates at the ceiling. Also, this room
seems like a strange place for a security camera to be located.

1-The Squat Toilet

The squat toilet, or the "no toilet" as I like to call it, is a
terribly-designed contraption that requires the dumper to hover over a
small hole and precisely aim his or her stool before releasing
it. Since this is the primary toilet in certain parts of the world, a
wide-eyed Westerner can be certain that his first attempt at hitting
this two-inch mark will most likely result in a fresh log between his
feet. Leading to the realization that if your dung is just going to
end up on the ground, there is no reason to stand in this dank, public
restroom to drop it. Also, you'll have to completely remove any
clothing below the waist, since you're most likely opposed to getting
your feces on your pants. TP can also be a problem in some of the
squat toilets since a number of them aren't equipped to handle this
apparent Western extravagance. Instead, squat toilet patrons are
content using their hand and some water, which they believe is just as
effective and just as sanitary. Ultimately, using these toilets will
make you homesick.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462055)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

INSTALLING YOUR NIGGER.
You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

CONFIGURING YOUR NIGGER
Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

HOUSING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger can be accommodated in cages with stout iron bars. Make sure, however, that the bars are wide enough to push pieces of nigger food through. The rule of thumb is, four niggers per square yard of cage. So a fifteen foot by thirty foot nigger cage can accommodate two hundred niggers. You can site a nigger cage anywhere, even on soft ground. Don't worry about your nigger fashioning makeshift shovels out of odd pieces of wood and digging an escape tunnel under the bars of the cage. Niggers never invented the shovel before and they're not about to now. In any case, your nigger is certainly too lazy to attempt escape. As long as the free food holds out, your nigger is living better than it did in Africa, so it will stay put. Buck niggers and hoe niggers can be safely accommodated in the same cage, as bucks never attempt sex with black hoes.

FEEDING YOUR NIGGER.
Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

MAKING YOUR NIGGER WORK.
Niggers are very, very averse to work of any kind. The nigger's most prominent anatomical feature, after all, its oversized buttocks, which have evolved to make it more comfortable for your nigger to sit around all day doing nothing for its entire life. Niggers are often good runners, too, to enable them to sprint quickly in the opposite direction if they see work heading their way. The solution to this is to *dupe* your nigger into working. After installation, encourage it towards the cotton field with blows of a wooden club, fence post, baseball bat, etc., and then tell it that all that cotton belongs to a white man, who won't be back until tomorrow. Your nigger will then frantically compete with the other field niggers to steal as much of that cotton as it can before the white man returns. At the end of the day, return your nigger to its cage and laugh at its stupidity, then repeat the same trick every day indefinitely. Your nigger comes equipped with the standard nigger IQ of 75 and a memory to match, so it will forget this trick overnight. Niggers can start work at around 5am. You should then return to bed and come back at around 10am. Your niggers can then work through until around 10pm or whenever the light fades.

ENTERTAINING YOUR NIGGER.
Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

DISPOSAL OF DEAD NIGGERS.
Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

COMMON PROBLEMS WITH NIGGERS - MY NIGGER IS VERY AGGRESIVE
Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

MY NIGGER KEEPS RAPING WHITE WOMEN
They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

WILL MY NIGGER ATTACK ME?
Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

MY NIGGER BITCHES ABOUT ITS "RIGHTS" AND "RACISM".
Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

MY NIGGER'S HIDE IS A FUNNY COLOR. - WHAT IS THE CORRECT SHADE FOR A NIGGER?
A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

MY NIGGER ACTS LIKE A NIGGER, BUT IS WHITE.
What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

IS THAT LIKE AN ALBINO? ARE THEY RARE?
They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

MY NIGGER SMELLS REALLY BAD
And you were expecting what?

SHOULD I STORE MY DEAD NIGGER?
When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (4, Informative)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 5 years ago | (#29462319)

I'm sure the annual rental fee will be so much cheaper (cough) than the $150 I spent to buy Office 97 (~$11.50 per year).

You were sure and you're correct! The annual fee is $0. The one time cost of purchase is $0. The biweekly upside down processing fee is $0.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Web_Apps#Office_Web_Applications [wikipedia.org]

Still, there's a less obvious cost associated with using web apps for your office documents. Do you really want Microsoft to have all your personal data? Does a company want MS to have its trade secrets? Does the government want to be dependent on MS to function? The same goes for Google.

Re:Yay I can rent my software! (1)

wall0159 (881759) | about 5 years ago | (#29464337)

*cough* loss-leader *cough*

Preview this (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461555)

Improved version of this page can be found here [kanyelicio.us]

Because google apps are so successful (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461581)

that MS wants to copy them. AMIRITE?!

Re:Because google apps are so successful (4, Interesting)

idiotwithastick (1036612) | about 5 years ago | (#29461701)

Honestly, I haven't been incredibly impressed with Google Docs. The other day, a couple of friends and I tried to collaboratively edit a document, but each person would only think that one other person was editing the document, and the only way we could see each other's updates was to refresh the page. Furthermore, changes are only pushed out every 15 seconds from the Google server, making real-time collaboration difficult. If only Google Docs were more like Etherpad... [etherpad.com]

Re:Because google apps are so successful (1)

Degro (989442) | about 5 years ago | (#29461721)

That's what all the hubbub over Google Wave was about, wasn't it? I'm guessing what you're talking about isn't too far away.

Gobby (3, Informative)

Jeremy Visser (1205626) | about 5 years ago | (#29462011)

And if you can't wait for Google Wave, there's always Gobby [0x539.de] . It's only a plain-text editor (basically multiplayer gedit), but the real-time stuff is really real-time -- it updates instantly. Have a look at their screenshots [0x539.de] .

Re:Because google apps are so successful (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29462027)

One difference between Google Docs and Office Web Apps - at least judging by press releases for the latter - is that Web Apps will use Silverlight over HTML/JS, if it is available. And it's definitely quite possible to get more responsiveness out of Silverlight compared to AJAX, as well as much better control over rendering.

Re:Because google apps are so successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462783)

This is not the case for all of the Office Web Apps. I've used the technical preview and the Excel Web App is purely JS/HTML.

Re:Because google apps are so successful (4, Interesting)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29462979)

Yeah, I've just noticed that I've got an invitation as well, so I had a look at the app. Sure enough, it's just HTML and JS. It does work nicely in Firefox and Chrome, too - I don't see any difference between that and IE version. In fact, it works noticeably faster in Firefox/Chrome than in IE8, which is readily seen when you try to highlight multiple cells by dragging. It's somewhat ironic, but I guess it gives strong incentive for IE team to seriously improve performance for the next release - as before this could be seen as propping Google agenda, while now there's a stake in it for Microsoft as well.

It's pretty interesting to poke around the thing with Firebug. The styling seems pretty decent from good markup accessibility point of view - for example, the Ribbon isn't hacked via tables, but it is rather an list with nested items which is styled to look as it does via CSS. On the other hand, Excel sheets are proper HTML tables/cells.

Sad part: it seems to do browser detection, since it won't enable "Edit" and "View" when I go there with Opera 10, nor it will work in Opera if I go there in Firefox and then copy the URL for a document opened for editing (linking directly to edit mode works in other browsers).

In the linked channel9 video, they specifically speak of using Silverlight for Word docs, so perhaps that's the only one that's using it. Little bits of information about Web Apps that were posted on the Net previously simply mentioned "richer experience with Silverlight" without many details. It's also worth keeping in mind that this is a "technical preview" (which is effectively "alpha" in MS parlance - something that's not necessarily feature complete), so it may be missing this particular thing.

Re:Because google apps are so successful (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29463045)

Moving on to experiment with PowerPoint app, and that one does in fact use Silverlight. In terms of rendering fidelity it's actually pretty good - I've tried it on this deliberately complicated demo presentation [awesomebackgrounds.com] , and, while it did render a few things slightly wrong - mostly positioning - on the whole it was close enough.

Re:Because google apps are so successful (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29463137)

And one more thing. It actually does work best with Chrome, and here's why. When editing the document, by default it opens in the same browser tab, and you get the SkyDrive frame around, with menu on top. However, there is a button that opens just the document itself in a separate popup window, with just the editing UI and nothing extra. In Chrome, you can then use the latter's "Create application shortcuts..." feature to create a shortcut directly to the document in editing state - and Chrome also removes all normal browser UI, such as address bar and Back/Forward buttons, for pages opened via such shortcuts. At this point it really starts looking exactly like a local document on your disk - open by double clicking, and UI looks like "Office Lite" with fewer options on the Ribbon, with no reminder that it's actually a browser application.

The only nit is that icon is ugly, because favicon on the Office Apps website is 16x16, so Chrome scales it up and makes it look pixelated.

Re:Because google apps are so successful (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 5 years ago | (#29463333)

Question: what if you alter the User-Agent string in Opera? Pretend to be Firefox or something, then try to edit. If it's just checking the User Agent string, that should fix the issue (unless Opera really is incompatible). If it's doing JS functionality tests, then it's not really browser sniffing at all (and nothing you can do, save for hope Opera gets updated, will fix it).

Re:Because google apps are so successful (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29463407)

Question: what if you alter the User-Agent string in Opera? Pretend to be Firefox or something, then try to edit. If it's just checking the User Agent string, that should fix the issue (unless Opera really is incompatible). If it's doing JS functionality tests, then it's not really browser sniffing at all (and nothing you can do, save for hope Opera gets updated, will fix it).

Good point. Making it identify as Firefox or IE doesn't help; however, this is still not simple JS testing. The HTML served from the server is different. E.g. when opened in Firefox, the source for the page contains this:

<body class="ltr SignedIn Firefox FF_Win Win6 FF_M3 FF_D5 Full RE_Gecko ">

And in Opera, it is this:

<body class="ltr SignedIn Opera OP_Win Win6 OP_M10 OP_D0 Full RE_Opera ">

Consequently, the version of the page served to Opera simply doesn't have "View" and "Edit" links in it at all.

Not sure how it is able to detect the difference, though. I've tried both "Identify as Firefox" and "Mask as Firefox" - the latter should remove any trace of Opera from all common places that are checked. Perhaps it does indeed do some JS testing, compares that against patterns that it knows to identify the browser, and then makes a quiet redirect?

Home server +ssh (5, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29461683)

I have my own self hosted 'web apps'. I own my data, i keep control of it.

I would be wiling to bet if everyone got together and wrote some PHP based office suite that you could run on your own pc, or a basic web hosting service you pay for, it would give both google and Microsoft a run for its money.

Re:Home server +ssh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461943)

Because the majority of non-technical people even care about setting up their own server much less know how to do it.

Panties STINK!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461947)

Panties Stink!
They really, really stink!
Sometimes they're red, sometimes they're green,
Sometimes they're white or black or pink
Sometimes they're satin, sometimes they're lace
Sometimes they're cotton and soak up stains
But at the end of the day, it really makes you think
Wooooooo-wheeeee! Panties stink!

Sometimes they're on the bathroom floor
Your girlfriend- what a whore!
Sometimes they're warm and wet and raw
From beneath the skirt of your mother-in-law
Brownish stains from daily wear
A gusset full of pubic hair
Just make sure your nose is ready
For the tang of a sweat-soaked wedgie
In your hand a pair of drawers
With a funky feminine discharge
Give your nose a rest, fix yourself a drink
cause wooooooo-wheeeeeee! panties stink!

Re:Home server +ssh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461951)

collaboration might be a little tricky. Not to mention that the cost would be significantly higher. Not saying it can't be done of course. Just that the economics aren't necessarily on that side of the argument.

Re:Home server +ssh (3, Informative)

westyvw (653833) | about 5 years ago | (#29462059)

How about an entire php multiuser webbased OS [eyeos.org] ?

I keep one going on my server, and it actually is very nice.

Re:Home server +ssh (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29462765)

How about we stop misusing the term "operating system", and refrain from using it for things that clearly aren't that?

Re:Home server +ssh (1)

Omegium (576650) | about 5 years ago | (#29463807)

Why doesn't google start with offering localized hosting? A 19" server with a webserver, the apps software and enough disk space for 100 users wouldn't be very difficult or expensive to make. And since it's only function is hosting those apps through a webserver, it probably is quite easy to secure. Add in some API's to backup stuff to a second location, and you have your in house, unaffected by internet failure office suite, usable from a thin client with a browser.

Re:Home server +ssh (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about 5 years ago | (#29464945)

Umm... they do.

Ultimately, this will change nothing (4, Insightful)

StreetStealth (980200) | about 5 years ago | (#29461753)

People who have been using MS Office since it came on a small stack of floppies are going to keep using what they know. Businesses with a large IT infrastructure invested in supporting Office are going to keep supporting what they know.

Meanwhile, people who jumped on the Google Docs bandwagon -- they're going to keep using what they know, too. A web-based office suite happened to be what works for them, and now they're invested in the Google way of editing and managing office documents, with no incentive to switch to Microsoft's system.

Microsoft is probably going to get as many takers on web-based Office as Google would have if they'd launched a desktop office suite.

Gradually, of course, as web technologies continue to grow, MS Office and the web-based Office will ultimately merge, the only difference being where they're hosted. But not for a decade, at least.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29461905)

Microsoft sells shitty OSs which makes it possible for Apple to sell computers. Microsoft makes(de) a shitty web search engine which makes it possible for google to operate despite MS "owning" the desktop.

But... Microsoft makes the best Office suite and the best developer tools on this side of the galaxy. It's possible that in 10 years, MS will have destroyed Google.

Anyway, Google really only does two things: sells ads, sells analytics. In what trustable way can Google possibly publish an office suite? I guess if it's convenient enough, many people will use it anyway, like Gmail...

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (1)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | about 5 years ago | (#29461921)

I suspect that Microsoft only cares about taking a hunk of the people who have interest in the "Google Docs" type products. If they even take 20-30% of that market, they will have ruined the momentum that Google has.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 5 years ago | (#29461925)

I used MS Excel before it became part of MS Office, and I installed MS Office from all varieties of floppies more time than I care to remember. I still use MS office occasion, but I also use other programs depending on what I want to do. The main reason that I do not use MS anything as my primary software is simply because it does not do what I want it to do. OO.org does things very well, as does the iWorks.

I am now looking at the online options, not because they are better, but because they will serve a purpose. For people who can move, many will use things like Google because it is so available. One of the reasons that MS Office is so often cited as a necessity is that it is the only way to make sure that other can read documents you create. Everyone has MS Office. Well, everyone has a google account, and I can share my document just by adding their google account to my share list. No danger that they may still be running 2003 while I have 2007, and not have the time to install a filter. No danger that the filter might mess up formatting. Google provides now what MS claimed to provide, but never really delivered.

If MS plays this game of delivering an inferior online product to protect it's Office franchise, then Google will likely provide a better collaborative product within a couple years,and OO.org will likely provide an equal online experience. The only firms that will be using MS products are those that are so dependent on kickbacks that they can't afford to move. MS would do much better providing a subscription service that provides some superior features as compared to MS Office.

Such an offering assumes two things. One is that they have the technical expertise to deliver a cross platform solution. Two is that they have the ability to provide customer service without the OEMs running interference(i.e. it is not a MS problem, contact the vendor of you hardware). Three is that they are willing to give up the MS desktop monopoly and compete on quality products, which they totally can do, but simply will require more work.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (2, Interesting)

lbgator (1208974) | about 5 years ago | (#29464553)

Google will likely provide a better collaborative product within a couple years

I look for Google Wave to fill that void within 12 months.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (4, Interesting)

Bluesman (104513) | about 5 years ago | (#29461987)

If Microsoft can pull this off, it will be huge, but not for Word.

I'm saying this as a hater of Microsoft Word, reluctant user of Excel, and recent convert to being a MS Access fan. (Yeah, I know it's not a real database, but if you know what you're doing, you can do some amazing things very quickly in Access, that anyone can use with no server or database know-how.)

The Access frontend and VBA is one of the most powerful database tools I've ever used; if MS could link it to a backend that didn't suck (say...SQL Server) and host it for me, that would be better than having the local app.

Another benefit to having Excel or Access online is that they're not based on presentation, and the calculation-intensive stuff is easily spread across a cluster of machines. If they can also make it as easy as it is now to generate forms and reports based on the data, while hosting database apps, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (1)

Spit (23158) | about 5 years ago | (#29462133)

I personally hate Access because of MDB, but if MS could provide an online database builder they would be onto a major winner.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (3, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | about 5 years ago | (#29462237)

The Access frontend and VBA is one of the most powerful database tools I've ever used; if MS could link it to a backend that didn't suck (say...SQL Server) and host it for me, that would be better than having the local app.

For all the bashing of Access, it is/can be a very, very good front end to a lot of back end stuff. Hooking into a billion row Oracle DB, with client desktops spread from California to Ohio to Paris...yeah, we were doing that a decade ago with Office97.
The real problem with Access is it makes everything look so easy. Non-developers quickly get in over their heads, and build/deploy stuff that is out of the realm of what Access can handle. Build within its limits, and you can do wonders.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462547)

The problem with non-developers and MS Access is more the non-developer than Access.
 
Believe me, after years of "developing" Access solutions it's easy to see some of the pitfalls. I've seen people so some of the most inefficient, lunk headed crap with it... because they never learned how these things work from a programing end. The 30 dollar Dummies manual doesn't show it and anything above that to a non-developer is intimidating unless they're in it for the long haul.
 
Unless you really know a solution development platform and the associated languages that go with it you'll never get in over your head because of the shortcomings of the software but rather because of the shortcomings of the ad hoc "developers"

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 5 years ago | (#29462695)

The Access frontend and VBA is one of the most powerful database tools I've ever used; if MS could link it to a backend that didn't suck (say...SQL Server)

Uh, you can already do that... or use any back-end that supports ODBC.

Or are you being sarcastic and I'm whooshing?

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (1)

Bluesman (104513) | about 5 years ago | (#29464199)

I know you can already do that, but having to support the database and server is more than I care to do for small projects.

I have projects where I know I'm not going to be able to support them full time, and the organization they're for knows that. MDB sucks for multi-users, but assume there's no time or budget for supporting SQL Server or any of the other options. Now an online Access with an MS-hosted backed starts looking VERY appealing.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (1)

1s44c (552956) | about 5 years ago | (#29462963)

Another benefit to having Excel or Access online is that they're not based on presentation, and the calculation-intensive stuff is easily spread across a cluster of machines. If they can also make it as easy as it is now to generate forms and reports based on the data, while hosting database apps, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

What on earth are you doing in excel that could need a cluster of machines? Cracking AES? Have you implemented bubblesort in visual basic just for a laugh?

Even the most complex reports don't need more CPU power than can be provided by a 4 year old computer.

Re:Ultimately, this will change nothing (3, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 5 years ago | (#29462047)

I too suspect this isn't going to be all that popular on the Net, but Office Web Apps will integrate with SharePoint 2010 on corporate networks - which is probably a far bigger deal, since SP is something already deployed widely in the enterprise specifically to host libraries of Office documents.

You actually hit the real problem here... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462077)

"Businesses with a large IT infrastructure invested in supporting Office are going to keep supporting what they know."

Exactly. Office 2007 and the new "web Office" are NOT qualified as "What They Know". It's new stuff, new menus, new functions. In short, it is just as much an effort to use it than to switch to something else.

Video from Channel 9 (3, Informative)

gbrayut (715117) | about 5 years ago | (#29461885)

There was a video showing the features of Excel Web App, Powerpoint Web App, and Word Web App here on channel 9: http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/dtzar/Office-Live-Applications-First-Look/ [msdn.com] They look a little slow and not as responsive as Google Docs, but they do have more feature. Interesting to see the final product.

Re:Video from Channel 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462139)

Except right now according to the article, the Word Web App doesn't let you edit documents, it only lets you *view* them.

Re:Video from Channel 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462333)

It lets you do both. However, the editing experience is more akin to the sharepoint richedit control than word.

Re:Video from Channel 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462383)

Correction, the tech preview doesn't let you do both. The final version is supposed to.

Re:Video from Channel 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462949)

Word Wide Web~

I hope their web app is better than that... (1, Insightful)

acid06 (917409) | about 5 years ago | (#29462155)

Since I can only see a "Install Microsoft Silverlight" image.
My karma can burn, but I won't install this crap.

Re:I hope their web app is better than that... (3, Informative)

Keeper (56691) | about 5 years ago | (#29462429)

...or you could just click on the formats link and download the mp4... but burning karma bitching about Silverlight sounds like more fun.

Re:I hope their web app is better than that... (1)

acid06 (917409) | about 5 years ago | (#29462513)

Actually, I didn't even notice that.
I guess that counts as a bad UI so the subject of my post is still relevant.

But thanks for pointing it out anyway, now I'm able to actually watch the video.

MS Fans? (1)

EspressoFreak (237002) | about 5 years ago | (#29461961)

Maybe there are die-hard MS users out there who have been eagerly waiting for MS to set foot in this type of service...

Re:MS Fans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462755)

Read and weep. http: //www.winsupersite.com/Default.asp

Competition is always good (2, Insightful)

tetsukaze (1635797) | about 5 years ago | (#29462019)

I don't use google docs much and what I have used has been pretty disappointing. That being said, there is a lot potential in the concept. I do hate the idea of renting software but at the very least, there will now be two big players in this market. I would really like to see google being driven to make their software feature competitive with microsoft so I can get one more step away from being stuck with a bulky product from Bill.

Google should be concerned (0)

bogaboga (793279) | about 5 years ago | (#29462147)

Sincerely...Google should be concerned. You might wonder why:

Because Google Docs does not "cut it!" Zoho Office and now Microsoft's web offerings do a better job. Who can say no?

"Rushes Out" Slashdot? Really? (1)

mrterrysilver (826735) | about 5 years ago | (#29462425)

why is the title: Microsoft "Rushes Out" Office Web Apps Preview Rushed out? Actually its been in development for a few years so if anything more like "Slowly Pushes Out Tech Preview..." But seriously slashdot, why the constant undertones for Microsoft? Call it as it lies please. Keep it up and you might even get bought by Fox News. :)

Re:"Rushes Out" Slashdot? Really? (1, Troll)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | about 5 years ago | (#29463313)

Because any technical announcement anywhere in the world is followed by a "me, too!" from Bill Gates. Then after 3 to 6 years the half-trained monkeys have stolen or slapped together some crap with enough of a user interface to fool a few MBAs into thinking that MS might have an entry in that market.

How do I use my Web App when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29462451)

...my ISP goes fritzy and I lose internet connectivity for an hour or two? Lord knows, this happens a couple times a month for TimeWarner customers...

Re:How do I use my Web App when... (1)

dltaylor (7510) | about 5 years ago | (#29462697)

I sometimes keep "while sleep 10; do host www.google.com; done" running in a window so I know when the DNS servers die, which is a frequent occurrence. They have two, but they both die at the same time. Sometimes I can ping them, but still not get DNS responses.

If there were any competent network/system engineers at TWC (or any that are competent weren't managed by idiots/a*holes), they would keep the DNS servers on different segments of the network and only do maintenance on one at a time.

FWIW, /etc/resolv.conf:

; generated by /sbin/dhclient-script
search socal.rr.com
nameserver 209.18.47.61
nameserver 209.18.47.62

Ain't the Web wonderful? (1, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29462453)

Now you can get a BSOD over the Web! Gotta love modern living.

This is good for Google.. (1)

rainhill (86347) | about 5 years ago | (#29462801)

as playground for competition is no longer owned by Microsoft.

Break the Hegemony. Do it now. (5, Insightful)

crhylove (205956) | about 5 years ago | (#29462845)

Why would ANYONE use this? Google Apps is free. Open Office is free. Open Office exports to PDF, and does a damned good job, too. I send everything as a PDF now. I know it will look on their computer just like it does on my computer.

I really can't understand why anybody, particularly a business that wants to save money, would use any of Microsoft's products.

Linux Mint, Firefox, Pidgin, Open Office...... These are GREAT business tools. FREE. With FREE updates. That beat the pants off of every MS offering. Why is the MS hegemony so powerful? Some companies would save MILLIONS by switching, once the get through the rough patch of upgrading. But they're going to have to upgrade to Windows 7 and some bullshit new MS Office anyway.

I seriously, seriously don't get it.

Re:Break the Hegemony. Do it now. (2, Interesting)

0ld_d0g (923931) | about 5 years ago | (#29462997)

Part of the reason they use it is because in their estimation MS tools are better. I know, shocking right? Quick, lets insult the users and call them stupid ! That'll show them !!

Re:Break the Hegemony. Do it now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29464037)

Companies pay for things because it gives them some control of the product they are buying. The reason that compaines pay for windows and office is that by paying, they know that it will always be availalbe to them to run their businesses. If they went free and spent millions changing to a free replacement such as google aps or open office, what happens when that free product disappears?

They have to spend millions again and potentially loose out in the market or even risk the very viability of their company (eg Big company forgets to pay its bond holders and defaults on its loans because open office is not available to process the payments - weak example, but you get my drift)

Re:Break the Hegemony. Do it now. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29464633)

I seriously, seriously don't get it.

You don't "get it" because you're a delusional OSS fanboy.

Re:Break the Hegemony. Do it now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29464841)

In a phrase "BLAME CULTURE".

The one thing I have learned, after 20 years working in IT in business, it's always SEP. Somebody Else's Problem. There always has to be a fall guy, from the lowly water fountain repair guy to the huge corp supplying the software on all desktops. Businesses basically need someone to blame, shout out and attempt to extort money from, when product XYZ fails to do what Salesman promised it would.

Sad but true. One reason I have given up trying to get FOSS into the places I have worked, no one to shout out, so we ain't interested. They mask it with the usual BS, "Oh, open source, hmmm, no support.", "Made by hippies, for hippies!","Dunno, I read somewhere it was way more insecure that Microsoft.", those are all genuine reasons I have been given not to use FOSS!

I now just ask to use FOSS on my work desktop, me Ubuntu and OO.org get along just fine.

Lost direction of a dying company (3, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | about 5 years ago | (#29462933)

Microsoft is following its normal behavior of ripping off other peoples ideas because they just don't have any of their own. This may have worked well in the past ( windows, office, etc. ) but it's not viable now, google are big enough to not be prone to Microsoft's anti-competitive tactics and google don't depend on microsoft's OS.

Microsoft have never been able to dominate without their unfair advantage and they are losing that. The stranglehold that kept MS in business for decades is now falling apart.

I predict a long protracted death for microsoft. And good riddance, I never liked their poor quality products or nasty business practices anyway.

Re:Lost direction of a dying company (-1, Troll)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | about 5 years ago | (#29463329)

Microsoft is following its normal behavior of ripping off other peoples ideas because they just don't have any of their own. This may have worked well in the past ( windows, office, etc. ) but it's not viable now, google are big enough to not be prone to Microsoft's anti-competitive tactics and google don't depend on microsoft's OS.

Microsoft have never been able to dominate without their unfair advantage and they are losing that. The stranglehold that kept MS in business for decades is now falling apart.

I predict a long protracted death for microsoft. And good riddance, I never liked their poor quality products or nasty business practices anyway.

It will take a solid push. Sadly, if you have M$ products in your network you have a personnel problem. That won't go away on its own. There are also dozens of M$ "interns" that are unaccounted for and will have be found and packed of to fields where they can't cause any harm either.

No one's ever liked the M$ products

They bought DOS, they bought Windows â" they stole Windows, excuse me; they bought PowerPoint, they bought Word, Excel, they bought WebTV, they bought their browser technology, they bought Hotmail, they bought a billion dollars of Comcast: they bought, they bought, they bought. What have they innovated? Goose egg. Interview with Scott McNealy [theregister.co.uk] in 1999.

Re:Lost direction of a dying company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29464693)

I predict a long protracted death for microsoft.

What a bold prediction! I don't think I've ever read anything like that on Slashdot before!

One Step Behind? (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about 5 years ago | (#29463217)

As always, Microsoft seems one step behind. It's not necesarily a bad thing (given they can learn from competition's mistakes instead of their own), but it would be a good idea to become proactive instead of reactive for a change. This century would be a good time to start.

Cutting Edge (1)

Zoxed (676559) | about 5 years ago | (#29463285)

Good to see that, once again, Microsoft is leading out with its' cutting edge technology. Not.

Remember the good old days of the 'other' ASP? (1)

synthesizerpatel (1210598) | about 5 years ago | (#29463467)

That is, 'Application Service Provider' model that was all the rage back mid-dotcomboom. Microsoft talked and talked about how they'd sell the subscription service so you'd only pay for what you used with Microsoft Office -- undoubtedly hoping to cash in on the monthly service fee you forget to cancel.

Now they're trying to give it away for free just to remain relevant. Goodness.. how things have changed.

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