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Oracle Fined For Benchmark Claims

timothy posted about 5 years ago | from the ratchet-down-to-damn-lies dept.

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pickens writes "Information Week reports that the Transaction Processing Council, which sets benchmarks for measuring database performance, has fined Oracle $10,000 for Oracle's ads published August 27 and September 3 on the front page of the Wall Street Journal which violate the 'fair use' rules that govern TPC members by 'comparing an existing TPC result to something that does not exist.' The ads said to expect a product announcement on October 14 that would demonstrate that some sort of hybrid Oracle-Sun setup would offer two-digit performance on the TPC-C online transaction processing test compared to IBM's 6 million transaction per minute result on its Power 595 running AIX and DB2. The TPC Council serves as a neutral forum where benchmark results are aired and compared. 'At the time of publication, they didn't have anything' submitted to the council says Michael Majdalany, administrator of the council adding that that Oracle is free to use TPC numbers once it submits an audited result for the Sun-Oracle system. Fines by the TPC are infrequent, with the last action — a $5,000 fine — levied against Microsoft in 2005 for unsupported claims about SQL Server. 'It takes a fairly serious violation to warrant a member being fined,' says Majdalany."

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thats cause... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597027)

select * from 'posts' where id=1;

Re:thats cause... (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 5 years ago | (#29597869)

It's Oracle, so, the appropriate statement for determining the value of a first post would be:

select * from dual;

Pay special attention to the field name.

Rob Malda has a microscopic penis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29598009)

imagine you willey being smacked until it bleeds

j. delanoy

Troll? (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 5 years ago | (#29603447)

Troll? I thought it was rather funny.

I am almost certain ... (4, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | about 5 years ago | (#29597073)

... that this $10,000 fine will cripple Oracle's ability to compete in the future

Re:I am almost certain ... (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 5 years ago | (#29597149)

The five posters below you seem to have all said the same thing, but I'll reply to you:

The $10K isn't important. The $10K is there so that when a customer asks an IBM (or Microsoft or whoever) representative about Oracle's ad claiming that they can beat IBM's numbers, the IBM sales rep can say 'they were fined for publishing misleading and unsupported numbers. They don't actually have a machine that gives those numbers' and move on.

Re:I am almost certain ... (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about 5 years ago | (#29597299)

Ding! This is like a $1 fine to normal people, the important part for all the other vendors is they can now say this ad was bogus.

Re:I am almost certain ... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597399)

A 1$? This is like pocket lint.

Re:I am almost certain ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597503)

Pocket lint? THIS IS SPARTA!

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

selven (1556643) | about 5 years ago | (#29600309)

Sparta? THIS IS THE US JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

Wait, let me check my thesaurus for that second one. Ok, looks like I switched their places.

"I sorry" (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29598371)

Yep. That's what Oracle salespeople will be saying for the next year.

Re:I am almost certain ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597309)

then again, I haven't even heard Oracle published any advertisement about the new an improved performance. this fine only raises the attention---may make some wait for something great in october from Oracle :-)

Fanboy rationalization is hilarious (-1)

spun (1352) | about 5 years ago | (#29597535)

From the summary:

...has fined Oracle $10,000 for Oracle's ads published August 27 and September 3 on the front page of the Wall Street Journal...

From the parent post:

then again, I haven't even heard Oracle published any advertisement about the new an improved performance. this fine only raises the attention---may make some wait for something great in october from Oracle :-)

Really, that is your defense? Seriously? Couldn't be bothered to read the first sentence of the summary, could you? Wishful thinking just completely blinded you, didn't it? Sad.

No one is going to wait for anything great from Oracle. All the other vendors will make bank from this gaffe, whether the performance results Oracle claims are true or not. And it won't even matter when the true results come out, the other vendors will ensure those results remain forever tainted in their customers' eyes, because those vendors will not be sued or fined when they continue to claim that Oracle was fined for publishing those numbers. They were fined, even if the numbers turn out to be true later.

Re:Fanboy rationalization is hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29602595)

$10,000? I'm sure Oracle is reeling from that one.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Oracle gets it's name in the news and loses nothing.

Oracle doesn't sell based on performance.
Oracle doesn't sell based on how noble a customer thinks they are.
Oracle sells based on how well their name is recognized.

The sales bots sell to the purchasing drones, and all that matters are graphs with claims - true or not - and brand recognition.
That's how IT works.
The scant minority that aren't morons will look at the actual capabilities of the product.
Oracle will win or at least be highly competitive in that regard.

I know it's hard for you to understand, and that with your low UID you like to act superior and then mod people down with your alt accounts, but there's no need to trot out personal insults when someone makes a valid point you simply wish wasn't true.

Faggot.

Re:I am almost certain ... (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | about 5 years ago | (#29597955)

The problem wasn't really with the numbers, vendors will give you unpublished TPC results frequently but they have to note that they are not certified results. The big problem was publishing the claims very publicly by putting them in a national paper. To me as a consumer the biggest issue is non-certified results almost never have the accompanying audit report which gives the exact config and cost of the solution. Saying that you have a more scalable platform doesn't mean much to most shops if the cost is $20M to beat IBM's $2M result or if you are doing something hankie like running RAID0.

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | about 5 years ago | (#29601049)

Out of curiosity: Exactly what authority does this three-letter acronym have to fine people for using "uncertified" results, anyway? What makes Oracle obligated to pay? Has Oracle signed contracts or membership agreements with them to make them subject to this sort of review? Can they fine me for saying VaporDB is a billion times faster than Oracle?

Re:I am almost certain ... (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about 5 years ago | (#29601997)

Yes, TPC is a trade organization with all of the major players being members. They actually offer a very valuable service which is independently audited and certified results on vendor neutral benchmarks which fairly accurately reflect real workloads. Any changes from the base configuration of the OS or product have to be documented as does the hardware configuration used and the price of the solution. (including discounts, but you better believe I'm asking for at least their published discount)

I find that it's a good place to start when looking for solutions as it gives you a good idea of product performance, pricing level for your needed performance, etc. It also can give you some ideas on what tweaks can bring big performance gains as the vendors generally have their best people helping with these type of published benchmarks so the documented config changes can be very useful if they aren't pure benchmark fluff.

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 years ago | (#29598005)

That'll show 'em!!

Re:I am almost certain ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29599381)

Yes it seems that IBM can make unsubstantiated claims about what Oracle will do with products acquired from Sun, but Oracle can't make claims about Sun/Oracle products that haven't been submitted to an external review committee. Likewise EUs foot dragging over fears that Oracle's acquisition of a twice forked opensource database that is as similar to its own products as a bicycle is similar to an Airbus330, will substantially impact competitiveness is helping the largest computer company in the world grow larger. You gotta love policies which bias everything towards the largest companies and then nationalize or bailout these companies when they become too big to fail.

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 5 years ago | (#29599497)

The $10K is there so that when a customer asks an IBM (or Microsoft or whoever) representative about Oracle's ad claiming that they can beat IBM's numbers, the IBM sales rep can say 'they were fined for publishing misleading and unsupported numbers.

But if IBM say that Oracle were fined 100K, would they get fined a million?

Hey, I think I've got an idea to solve the financial crisis!

Re:I am almost certain ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597163)

Not to mention that the ad itself might very well have cost more than that.

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 5 years ago | (#29597223)

...that the $10,000 fine was a lot cheaper than the front page ad in the WSJ.

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

Jeian (409916) | about 5 years ago | (#29597247)

I dunno why this is modded troll.

Sarcastic and biting, but still a valid point...

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | about 5 years ago | (#29597325)

I am almost certain ... that this $10,000 fine will cripple Oracle's ability to compete in the future



I would be inclined to diagnose atrophy of moderator's irony gland.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597579)

Microsoft does this for years..

Re:I am almost certain ... (1)

JPeMu (942971) | about 5 years ago | (#29602853)

$10k? Surely it means $10k per CPU-C (Copy Published of Unverifiable Claim) ;)

I'll get my coat...

Ooooohhhhh! (-1, Troll)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 5 years ago | (#29597087)

A whole $10,0000 you say? That must be crippling to Oracle. Whatever will they do? How will they function with such a huge fine hanging over the head?

If you're going to fine someone, go big or don't bother.

Re:Ooooohhhhh! (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about 5 years ago | (#29597767)

I would imagine the fine was more for embarrassment than for financially hurting Oracle.

$10k? That's nothing. (5, Insightful)

Thornburg (264444) | about 5 years ago | (#29597089)

Even if Oracle knew they would be fined $10,000 it was probably still well worth the cost of the fine + the cost of the ad. Not to mention that receiving the fine has gotten them the front page of Slashdot and probably lots of other tech sites as well.

Value for money, 10 Grand was a steal.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597217)

Jesus, since when is commenting that some company got value out of the they paid for a fine make someone a troll?

It's not like I said "oooh, ouch, $10k will really put the hurt on Oracle" like the other 12 people who posted in the first two minutes.

(Yeah, that's my comment that I'm replying to as AC... just in case people are still blowing mod points by marking everything in sight as Troll).

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (2, Insightful)

Nyall (646782) | about 5 years ago | (#29597311)

I stopped taking the moderation here seriously a long time ago. Its not worth the brain cells.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597465)

I'm tempted to mod you insightful.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (3, Insightful)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about 5 years ago | (#29597787)

Looks like somebody beat you to it ^_^

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (0, Offtopic)

Nyall (646782) | about 5 years ago | (#29597995)

yep, I suspect insulting the moderation system here is one of the easier ways to get modded up. In retrospect I should have requested that people not mod it up.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | about 5 years ago | (#29597933)

I get 5 new mod points every 24 hours whether I use them or not. Which is awesome, but I don't even come here all that often.

To get modded troll, point out Obama's flaws (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29598723)

To get modded insightful, just s/Obama/Bush/g.

To wit:

1. Why are US troops leaving Iraq on the schedule set by George W. Bush?
2. Why did Obama reauthorize warrantless wiretaps?
3. Why is Obama going to miss his promised date for closing Gitmo?
4. What happened to Obama's promise of tax cuts for 95% of the population?
5. If the economy is so bad, and the situation in Afghanistan so crucial, WTF is Obama doing pimping Chicago for the Olympics?

Mod Parent Up (1)

mpapet (761907) | about 5 years ago | (#29597479)

They are exactly right. The only thing that matters is that the ad might register with some purchasing manager. Accuracy be damned.

Meanwhile the honest db developer/supporter is irreparably harmed. They can't possibly defend it.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (2, Informative)

illumin8 (148082) | about 5 years ago | (#29597773)

Value for money, 10 Grand was a steal.

Funny thing: I wanted to get a quote for the Sun/Oracle Database Machine that they are advertising as having these ungodly performance numbers. You know how Oracle licenses their database software per CPU? Well, they have extended their ungodly license to their Exadata storage with a $10,000 per HARD DRIVE license. Yes, that's correct. Oracle takes standard Intel based Sun servers, loads them up with SATA drives, and charges you a $10,000 per spindle license fee to store data on them. This is their business model.

Does anyone know of any open source alternatives to Exadata? The architecture looks appealing from a performance standpoint: Standard Intel servers with SATA drives connected to a 40 gigabit Infiniband fabric and serving data to Oracle servers, but I'm not willing to pay $10K per spindle to license my storage in the same way that Oracle licenses their database software.

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (1)

bertok (226922) | about 5 years ago | (#29601957)

Value for money, 10 Grand was a steal.

Funny thing: I wanted to get a quote for the Sun/Oracle Database Machine that they are advertising as having these ungodly performance numbers. You know how Oracle licenses their database software per CPU? Well, they have extended their ungodly license to their Exadata storage with a $10,000 per HARD DRIVE license. Yes, that's correct. Oracle takes standard Intel based Sun servers, loads them up with SATA drives, and charges you a $10,000 per spindle license fee to store data on them. This is their business model.

Does anyone know of any open source alternatives to Exadata? The architecture looks appealing from a performance standpoint: Standard Intel servers with SATA drives connected to a 40 gigabit Infiniband fabric and serving data to Oracle servers, but I'm not willing to pay $10K per spindle to license my storage in the same way that Oracle licenses their database software.

Look at Sun Thumpers: they're 48-disk storage servers that use ZFS to RAID data. Use iSCSI and high-end NICs to connect to Oracle. You can get multi-port 10GbE NICs for a reasonable cost these days, and a lot of vendors include iSCSI offload.

Some 10GbE switches now have very low latency, comparable to Infiniband. Or, if you've already got Infiniband infrastructure, just keep using that.

For performance, pack the Thumpers with RAM (I think 128GB+ is doable), and use the ARC cache feature of SUN Solaris in combination with a FusionIO SSD PCI-E card. Those things will do 100,000 IOPS, or more. The card acts as a cache for the slower spinning disks, and the RAM acts as a final layer of cache. You can get 128GB of RAM, upwards of 1TB of SSD, and 80TB of disk per 4U device. That's a good combo, and can be had for under $100K per box ($2K/drive), even if you get really high-end components.

Stripe your databases across a couple of those boxes, and you could get gigabytes/second and almost 1M IOPS for a tiny fraction of the price you're paying now. You'd probably also save on power usage and rack-space usage too. You might lose a few niceties though like fancy replication systems, but ZFS can do snapshots (however, synchronized snapshots across multiple boxes is probably impossible).

Re:$10k? That's nothing. (1)

alexo (9335) | about 5 years ago | (#29605089)

According to Wikipedia, Oracle's operating income is US$8.32e+09.
If we compare it to a nice salary of, say, $100K, the $10K fine would be equivalent to fining the hypothetical person 12 cents.

Where to I sign up?

Holy crap TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS?! (0, Redundant)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 5 years ago | (#29597111)

This will surely show them the error of their ways.

I imagine they're getting far more publicity from this than their $10k would have given them in traditional advertising avenues.

$10k is a marketing expense... not a penalty. (1, Redundant)

MadCow42 (243108) | about 5 years ago | (#29597115)

$10k is a marketing expense... not a penalty. It won't change anything.

Re:$10k is a marketing expense... not a penalty. (2, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | about 5 years ago | (#29598495)

Yeah, but that all their competitors will be able to market by saying "Oracle got fined for lying about benchmark claims"? That's priceless.

huh? (4, Funny)

Nyall (646782) | about 5 years ago | (#29597195)

I'm an embedded engineer so could someone tell me: is two digit performance better or worse than 6 million per minute ?

Re:huh? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597337)

By two digit performance they mean two digits followed by 6 other less significant digits.

Basically >10 million per minute

Re:huh? (1)

chgros (690878) | about 5 years ago | (#29601387)

I would have thought they meant 2-digit percentage, i.e. at least +10%.

Re:huh? (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 5 years ago | (#29597413)

More importantly, how many Libraries of Congress per second can I expect?

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29598861)

Well...if it is 01 then......get your own conclusion...

That much? (0, Redundant)

sjbe (173966) | about 5 years ago | (#29597219)

has fined Oracle $10,000...

Wow. How will Oracle ever come up with that kind of cash? Larry Elison might have to sell a seat cushion from one of his yachts to cover the bill.

It's not the fine, it's the publicity... (4, Insightful)

Seakip18 (1106315) | about 5 years ago | (#29597231)

The $10k fine isn't what Oracle is really being hit with. Depending on how serious the TPC is taken by customers or after MS or IBM run their market-o-tron speak on the actual news, this is an easy to use market strategy against Oracle.

A-queue-the-show....

PHB: Why should I go with IBM over other solutions like Oracle?
Marketing guy: Wait, you're serious? Oracle? The company that can't even get benchmarks right, let alone compare them?
PHB: What are you talking about?
Marketing guy: Heh. Oracle's benchmarks are being decried by the industry*. You can't trust those snakes that pose as reputable sellers of database products.
PHB: Oh teh noes! I hate snakes! Let me buy snake repellent from you now!
*market-o-tron recommends not giving specifics but make broad generalizations.

Re:It's not the fine, it's the publicity... (1)

eln (21727) | about 5 years ago | (#29597333)

I thought everyone already knew that benchmarks in marketing materials were pure fiction.

Re:It's not the fine, it's the publicity... (0, Offtopic)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29598735)

The $10k fine isn't what Oracle is really being hit with [but rather reputation damage]

Let's create an organization to fine Microsoft $1 for making garbage.
   

Re:It's not the fine, it's the publicity... (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | about 5 years ago | (#29599477)

Let's create an organization to fine Microsoft $1 for making garbage.

Written any operating systems, lately?

Misleading summary (1)

eln (21727) | about 5 years ago | (#29597295)

The summary, by calling it "some sort of hybrid Oracle Sun thing" implies the product itself doesn't exist, when in fact the issue is that the results of a TPC test on the product were not vetted by TPC (or maybe the test wasn't even conducted yet, it's not clear) before Oracle decided to advertise them. The "some sort of hybrid Oracle Sun thing" is Exadata 2, and it's a real product.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

mikeee (137160) | about 5 years ago | (#29597691)

More likely an Exadata 3, or 2S, or something.

Exadata 1 was just preinstalled Oracle on HP hardware. Exadata 2 is essentially the same but with Sun x86 gear replacing the HP. Neither of these have the sort of numbers Oracle is promising here, and they've all but said it's Sparc. I'd guess it's a cluster of Sun T5440 (4 socket, 32 core, 256 thread) Sparc servers (which have very respectable throughput, despite marginal single-thread performance) with Oracle RAC and some sort of Sun disk array, probably with some kind of big flash/SSD component providing much of the performance boost.

Calculated Risk (3, Funny)

PingPongBoy (303994) | about 5 years ago | (#29597387)

Basically, Oracle takes a calculated risk of a bad reputation vs. making buyers hold off on purchases from competitors for a short time. My guess is that Oracle will be able to produce something living up to the hype.

Why not have a little excitement and see if a competitor will match what Oracle is predicting? I can bet that in the labs a lot of products do a lot better in some areas than the released versions. Maybe IBM can loosen the reins and run with Oracle.

Fun in the capitalist sun. Or is that Sun?

Re:Calculated Risk (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 5 years ago | (#29598215)

It hurts them more than it helps. Certain industries are notorious for bad publicity or even bad rumors being worse than any amount of great benchmarks. We take the benchmarks with a grain of salt, but manipulative misleading ads tell us that they don't have the performance. Both the database and enterprise storage industry take these sorts of performance claims seriously and watch them careful. We also take data loss issues so seriously (and with such paranoia) that if a vendor has any data loss, almost nobody will ever use them again, no matter what excuses the vendor has. This is especially true of a new and not yet vetted vendor. The quickest way to kill a storage or database startup is release a beta test where you lose data, even though it is a beta and nobody put live data on your units, the perception that you are unreliable will stick with you for years and spread through the industry rumor mill.

It will hurt more than you think (4, Interesting)

Archfeld (6757) | about 5 years ago | (#29597577)

The group that is responsible for selecting DB's for the large scale customers Oracle is after is a relatively small select(*)(pun intended) group of people. I attend a national DB conference every year for going on 10 now and I see the same people. Word like this gets out and around. $10k seems like nothing but the fact of them getting fined gets to the people responsible for the product selection and HURTS A LOT more than a $10K fine. I assure you I will be harrassing the Oracle engineers and sales people about this and ensuring my boss, the one who signs the checks is WELL aware of the issue so he can squeeze oracle like the slightly rotten grape it really is....

Re:It will hurt more than you think (2, Interesting)

Major Blud (789630) | about 5 years ago | (#29597859)

As a DBA, I agree with this. I'm constantly being hounded by salesmen touting their OLTP numbers. I, for one, am glad that this was brought to my attention; it will give me more solid information to use when countering their arguments, as well as forcing them to watch their advertised stats move closely.

Re:It will hurt more than you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29599237)

So, you and your boss are now talking about Oracle.

Re:It will hurt more than you think (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 5 years ago | (#29600887)

He's attending "a national DB conference". Voluntarily. Did you think they spend their time comparing DB2 version SQLite?

Simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29597881)

http://www.mysql.com/ [mysql.com]

That'll teach Oracle!

Re:Simple fix (2, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 5 years ago | (#29598101)

MySQL is a "fix" in roughly the same way that what the vet to my cat's balls was a "fix".

Re:Simple fix (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 5 years ago | (#29598465)

MySQL is a "fix" in roughly the same way that what the vet to my cat's balls was a "fix".

The vet also to your verb.

Re:Simple fix (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 5 years ago | (#29598663)

They're bad about.

Re:Simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29598121)

MySQL... owned by Sun... owned by Oracle?

Sun losing money? (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 5 years ago | (#29598283)

I can't believe nobody has brought up this nugget..

Oracle had hoped to complete the purchase of Sun by the end of August, but a secondary investigation by the by European Commission announced Sept. 3 into restraint of trade has delayed its completion until January or later. Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison has said in an interview that Sun is losing $100 million a month as deal winds down to completion.

Seems like a lot until you realize they have almost $3B in the bank.

Re:Sun losing money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29598367)

So, they'd have been completely wiped out in only 2.5 years? Yeah. It is a lot.

Also on the Economist (1)

masmullin (1479239) | about 5 years ago | (#29598541)

This ad was on the back of the Economist 3 or 4 weeks ago... can they be sued for that too? I felt the ad was very very misleading and meant to trick all those MBA guys who want to pretend like they know what they are doing.

TPC has no credability (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about 5 years ago | (#29598733)

>> a $5,000 fine -- levied against Microsoft in 2005 for unsupported claims about SQL Server.

Gee that fine will have made Microsoft change their ways. NOT.

By being so soft on members the TPC have totally undermined their own credability.

It gives them cred... (1)

mevets (322601) | about 5 years ago | (#29598827)

Everyone said Oracle had no experience in the hardware and systems business. This pretty much proves they can run with the big boys.

Twice as bad as Microsoft? (1)

devleopard (317515) | about 5 years ago | (#29599607)

So now IBM can say, "Not only did Oracle get fined for an ad in the Wall Street Journal for untrue facts, their fine was double what Microsoft received for a similar infraction."

Double the punishment a known and convicted monopolizer and business abuser received.. Hmm...

Effect on MySQL? (4, Interesting)

devleopard (317515) | about 5 years ago | (#29599639)

A bit misleading, but Microsoft can now say,

"Looking to implement MySQL? The corporate parent of MySQL was fined for publishing untrue statements about database performance in the Wall Street Journal"

Re:Effect on MySQL? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29603745)

Microsoft were fined before, so they should not be able to say anything about this.

Solution: Match the punishment to the sales (0, Troll)

justthinkit (954982) | about 5 years ago | (#29600483)

Gear the punishment to sales. For example, in Europe the traffic fines are related to the person's income. So the head of Nokia got a speeding ticket for 12 million dollars [beataspeedingfine.com] .

In this case estimate how many sales were affected by this lie, and make the fine equal to the estimated profit on those sales. Then this type of problem would never happen again.

Wait, never mind, I forgot we are talking about a company based in the United States of Corruption.

Re:Solution: Match the punishment to the sales (1)

craighansen (744648) | about 5 years ago | (#29601201)

....or gear the punishment to the amount of the performance claim. An eight-digit fine (that's two digits plus the other six digits) would make them take notice more than the five-digit fine actually levied.

Re:Solution: Match the punishment to the sales (1)

afabbro (33948) | about 5 years ago | (#29601337)

Gear the punishment to sales. For example, in Europe the traffic fines are related to the person's income.

LOL! Not so much...

First, it's only Finland. Second, there's a minimum floor, which is set rather painful for the poor. So gee, looking a little closer, it's not quite so fair, is it? If you're poor, you still pay a minimum ($106 as I recall), but if you're rich, the sky's the limit. They talked about making it completely proportional, but then the government would lose income...

Finland's law is simply a reach for money by bureaucrats. I await your comment about The Finnish Republic of Corruption.

Benchmarks (1)

afabbro (33948) | about 5 years ago | (#29601293)

Every Oracle agreement includes language that Thou Shalt Not Publish Benchmarks. And they're really serious about it - if you use Oracle DB, you can't publish any benchmarks. I wonder if this isn't someone's payback

Ellison vs Info Week (1)

DBCubix (1027232) | about 5 years ago | (#29604601)

Great, I need a good fight to watch over the next few months. I'm sure Larry Ellison won't disappoint.
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