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Stargate Universe

CmdrTaco posted about 5 years ago | from the just-another-lazy-monday dept.

Sci-Fi 829

Last night I finally scraped together the two hours to watch the premiere of Stargate Universe. Since the last two series really ran their course and deserved to end, I was skeptical. At first blush it appears that the show is just Atlantis + Voyager, shot in the documentary style that practically every sci-fi show since Firefly uses. But I enjoyed it, and figured we should have a place to discuss it. The TV landscape needs more real, good sci-fi: there's not a lot of it left, even on the moronically renamed Syfy channel. But maybe this one will have a solid season. I just hope that future episodes don't have so many commercials. I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

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firefly (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644789)

Firefly wasn't shot documentary style, the special effects had some panning and zooming that first started in star wars episode II

Re:firefly (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29645035)

I suspect they meant TV-based series.

Re:firefly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645267)

Why is it that most of the time I see somebody in a wheelchair or electric scooter, they have two arms and two legs, none of their limbs are paralyzed, they're just obscenely fat? What is the purpose of giving a device to disgusting fatasses that prevents them from walking? Don't they need to do some walking more than anyone? Maybe they give them wheelchairs and electric scooters because their thighs cannot take the abrasion caused by that fat-waddle (sort of like a duck's waddle) they have to do in lieu of properly walking. When they're REALLY FAT they have that characteristic body odor no matter how often they bathe, probably because the bacteria that cause it can always find a new roll of fat to breed in. Hey, I know, let's keep making it easier and more convenient to be a disgusting fatass and then act surprised when there are more of them. That'd make us so clever. So yeah, more electric scooters please!

Hulu? (5, Informative)

Drahgkar (945536) | about 5 years ago | (#29644809)

One way to get rid of many of the advertisements is to watch it on Hulu. Granted you have to wait before episoded become available and the entire season of a given show isn't always available, but in general it's a lot better than sitting through lots of useless advertisements.

Re:Hulu? (1)

Deus777 (535407) | about 5 years ago | (#29644981)

SciFi.com also has the episodes of Stargate Universe online after they air. That's where I watched the premiere, since my DVR was apparently recording two other things when it aired.

Re:Hulu? (4, Informative)

magsol (1406749) | about 5 years ago | (#29645179)

Also, if you can put up with iTunes and its idiosyncrasies, the episode is available in HD for download...and it's entirely free. Not sure if that's an iTunes pricing bug, but at least right now it's totally free.

Re:Hulu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645301)

Try to keep an open mind before modding troll but...

Why not leave the adverts to stupid people? They are totally untargeted and irrelevent anyway, so just torrent.

Troubleshooting skills. (5, Insightful)

eNygma-x (1137037) | about 5 years ago | (#29644813)

I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644853)

I wondered the same thing! Strap any random object to the Keno and use it to punch the correct button to close the hatch. But hey, that wouldn't be nearly as heroic, would it?

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (4, Insightful)

chasmosis (522680) | about 5 years ago | (#29644857)

I thought the same thing. tape a pencil to it and have it press the "button"

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644921)

i think they explained this in the show. The ship had a 'safety mechanism' that required a person to be inside (i guess so it doesn't lock people out).

Or something

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (1)

eNygma-x (1137037) | about 5 years ago | (#29645125)

No the "safty measure" was that the door could not be blocked open.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644893)

Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

Because they don't have the ancient activation gene, or arms for that matter.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (4, Insightful)

Barny (103770) | about 5 years ago | (#29644897)

But, someone would still have to die, who would hold the "shakey cam" while it presses the button?

Seriously, bad focus + shakey cam can just fucking die imho.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (5, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#29644945)

I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers.

They don't need writers. What they need is more lens flares [nymag.com] . You can't have a Sci-Fi show without them, ya know?

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644963)

Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

They stated that it had a safety measure to re-open. I believe that they had tried triggering the button while outside the door, but the door just re-opened. My brain decided that a human had to be present to push the button. The only problem then... wouldn't the door re-open once that person died?

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644987)

I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

My kingdom for a mod point!

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644997)

Yeah, for a show that features Richard Dean Anderson, you would think they could have "Macgyvered" something to shut the hatch.

All and all a good show though... stargate... check. sex... check. explosions... check. I will definitely be tuning in for episode 2.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (1)

zebadee (551743) | about 5 years ago | (#29645007)

I liked the show... but they they still need some thinking writers. Why not use a "Keno" to close the hatch?!

They mentioned in the show there was a "safety mechanism" which they suggested required a person to be in the ship/room to close the door.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (4, Informative)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | about 5 years ago | (#29645149)

I'll have to rewatch it to be sure, but my recollection is that the "safety mechanism" prevented the door from being propped-open (they said "like an elevator")... I don't think they said it had to be a person pressing the button.

On the other hand we know from previous shows that Ancient technology seems to check "who" is pressing buttons. Many pieces of tech require the "Ancient gene" specifically, but it's not too far-fetched to suggest that various controls have to be pressed by an actual person (to prevent, for instance, random pieces of debris pressing important buttons).

At a minimum, it would have been nice for them to mention this possible solution. One of the most amazing things about the Stargate series is how for most problems, they will discuss/try a wide variety of solutions before finally finding the right one. In this sense it's much more like real engineering/science... which is satisfying.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (3, Insightful)

tmosley (996283) | about 5 years ago | (#29645091)

Stargate always had problems thinking imaginatively. For example, once they developed the cloaking device, I would have used it as a proxy teleporter to make nukes appear in the center of Ori ships. When they had the ship with all the Asgard technology, they could have frozen time, reconfigured the ship so that it had a hole in it through which the beam weapon could pass and thus destroy both of the pursuing Ori vessels without issue. That is, rather than waiting until they started dying of old age. Sure, it would have taken a few months, or maybe even years to get through that battle, but they would have made it without a problem. Etc.

Similar lack of thought has plagued a lot of other shows. For example, why didn't anyone in the Star Trek universe ever come up with the idea of using warp drives as weapons in a systematic way? A runabout crashing into a borg cube at warp seven would do quite a bit more damage than a photon torpedo, I would imagine. I guess kinetic energy just isn't "futuristic" enough. Hell, Picard tried to use ramming speed with the Enterprise on at least one occasion that I remember, one would think they would have realized that would be a hell of a weapon, and that they could store hundreds or even thousands of them on a ship like the enterprise (assuming they removed the crew compartments).

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645183)

Sadly I can't log in due to weirdness with the proxy at work, but it did make sense given what they said. There was some sort of "safety" protocol in the shuttle, so that the door would not close unless someone was inside it. After all, in the event of a leak, the airlock door itself was supposed to close, but the mechanism was broken so they couldn't close it. The safety protocol is actually the exact same thing my car does if you lock the door and close it with the key inside (door instantly unlocks). It was supposed to make it so you couldn't accidentally lock yourself out of the shuttle by closing the door. The sensors didn't pick up anyone inside, so the door opened. It seems dumb, but the Ancients obviously didn't count on the shuttle developing a leak and the airlock door breaking at the same time. Would there be a solution without sacrificing someone? Probably, and I'm sure the Ancients could've done it fast, but this was a human expedition with only limited knowledge of Ancient technology, and they were up against a time limit. Fix it in an hour, or everyone suffocates. They simply didn't have time to find and disable the shuttle's safety protocols in the time allotted. And the guy who sacrificed himself was going to die anyway.

Re:Troubleshooting skills. (1)

Deus777 (535407) | about 5 years ago | (#29645409)

My gripe was not so much with the hatch closing problem as with a few other things.

First, why did the point of origin for the 9 symbol address have to be Earth's symbol? They weren't on Earth, and they weren't using the Earth gate. There has been no indication that stargate addresses are relative to the point of origin throughout the rest of the series, in fact, there is some evidence that the addresses are absolute (for short time scales). The only way the 9 symbol address makes sense is if it is some kind of special code instead of a gate address. After all, the ship is moving around all the time, so normally it's gate address would also be changing all the time too.

Second, if no one has been on the ship since it was launched, why are the CO2 scrubbers full of gunk? What's been causing CO2 in the air that needed to be scrubbed out?

Third, if the air has been leaking out of the ship since it was damaged, where is the new air coming from?

Possibly a fourth, didn't the ship that had the Asgard technology on it escape back to earth? I don't remember which ship that was, but you'd think that they would have upgraded the shields an weapons on the Hammond by now. If so, it should've had no problem taking on 3 Goa'uld motherships.

That said, I'll still watch the show for a few more episodes, at least. I'm looking forward to the explanation they come up with for how the ship can travel faster than light without using hyperspace.

SPOILER!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644817)

The death of the California senator was utterly pointless. They should have taped a pen to a camera droid and had it push the airlock button on the shuttle.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (1)

rilles (1153657) | about 5 years ago | (#29644849)

unless it is a touch pad only sensitive to a finger. But I guess cutting off a finger and gluing it to a Keno would be better then total self termination.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (4, Interesting)

Barny (103770) | about 5 years ago | (#29644977)

Call me out of touch, but this is actually the first stargate thing I have seen since the original movie.

So it transports matter well, I get that (humans and objects can move through), but what about air? Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

The people I was roped into watching this with kept shouting at me to stop picking on it, but I want to know how they are limiting this thing...

"oh yes you can put any matter you want though it so long as it is solid or liquid" but then how do their bodies get through it when all the air is displaced out of their lungs?

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (2, Insightful)

Deus777 (535407) | about 5 years ago | (#29645069)

I don't have any official source for this, but just from watching the show, it seems like anything requires a little bit of a "push" to move through the gate. I suppose if the wind was blowing directly to the gate they could get some fresh air. The problem is, they are in another galaxy and don't know any of the gate addresses for that galaxy. I don't even know how they are going to get back to the ship after they arrive on the planet in the next episode. How do they know the symbols to use to get back to the ship?

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (1)

DudeTheMath (522264) | about 5 years ago | (#29645167)

I'm guessing that the automated ships that seeded the universe with gates had instructions to leave gate addresses somewhere around the DRD for the exploration ships that (like "Destiny") were expected to follow, on autopilot, opening for twelve hours when they found one of the seeded gates. Rush & Wallace are going because they know what to look for and should be able to find the return address. Hey, that sounds just like the premise for a movie...

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (1)

Arcady13 (656165) | about 5 years ago | (#29645113)

The stargate transfers matter in one direction only. If you open a wormhole to another planet, you can only send matter to that planet. Air and water do not generally flow through the gate in any case, since the mechanism does not allow it (see about 20 episodes of SG-1 for a reason.) The only thing that travels both ways is a radio signal, or other waves of energy, like radiation.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (5, Informative)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 5 years ago | (#29645135)

as explained in season 1 of SG-1, particles (such as air)are kept from traveling through the event horizon by the cool ancient technology as a way to help protect both ends from the environment on the other side.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645171)

Early in the sg1 series they covered this, supposedly the stargate can sense when something actually wants to pass through, pressure alone wouldn't count. So when they opened the gate to come back from a planet that was mostly submerged the water didnt flow through.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (1)

SilentMobius (10171) | about 5 years ago | (#29645187)

The gate is one way after its dialed, and transports contiguous lumps of matter, it normally waits until one item is completely in its "buffer" before sending it. I guess you could say the stream is gas-delimited. If they had canisters it would work fine (did they have canisters, could they dial back? I haven't seen it yet)

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (0, Troll)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | about 5 years ago | (#29645247)

Couldn't they just open the new gate to any planet with a good atmosphere and just top up the ship with breathable air?

I can think of two reasons:

1. It's been established frequently in the other two series that matter will only travel in an outgoing direction through a stargate, so you'd need somebody to dial in instead.
2. The ship was (I think) in motion, faster than light. I don't think they've ever said whether it's possible to dial in or out from a gate moving that fast.

And then there's the consideration that they wanted to kill somebody off in the pilot for dramatic purposes, so a stuck door and air loss is as good a MacGuffin as anything else. It is consistent with the established rules in the series, though.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (2, Insightful)

Nadaka (224565) | about 5 years ago | (#29645311)

I have not seen this show. But it is likely one of two things.

1: its an outgoing wormhole? stargate wormholes are one directional, with the exception of a feedback signal from the destination gate.
2: its programmed into the bios of the stargate to filter what goes through. The standard programming prevents atmospheric pressure from venting through the gate for a variety of reasons (some gates are miles below the ocean at huge pressures and some are in the vacuum of space)

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645327)

The rules of the stargate are quite strange and often "expanded" to create some plot. But I give them that their explanations are often quite clever.

Concerning your issue I think it just couldn't work.

First, a stargate only transports matter from the source to the destination, not in the other direction. So they at least have to open the gate from a planet to the ship.

Second, the event horizon of the stargate actually push stuff back a bit. This way the atmosphere doesn't pass through. This also applies to liquid. If the stargate is opened in water (and that has happened) the water doesn't flow through it.

And this is imho a very clever and important thought. I mean you have seen what happens if some window in a space ship breaks and all the atmosphere is sucked out. The atmosphere is actually pushed out. If the stargate would not have such a mechanism it would have the same effect. If the stargate wouldn't push back all the atmosphere would be pushed trough it with equal effect like a big hole in the wall of a space ship.

A third point is that a stargate actually has a way to recognize objects. It only sends the object if the whole thing passed the event horizon. Otherwise it just would rip people and stuff apart when they try to pass. There was an early Atlantis episode where this was very important. So I conclude, yes, it recognizes solid objects and it even can seperate them, which means it has a way to determine what belongs to the object. I have not the slightest idea how that should work, but I think if that is possible it is not that hard to detect the blood in the veins and air in the lungs.

Re:SPOILER!!!!!! (1)

Canazza (1428553) | about 5 years ago | (#29645005)

Nice idea, It'd have been a more visceral scene too. Might not have passed the muster for it's timeslot though :P

Big SG1 fan, not impressed. (5, Funny)

Hercynium (237328) | about 5 years ago | (#29644825)

Stargate: Why simply beat a dead horse where it lay, when you can transport it anywhere in the universe?

Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. (1)

ConallB (876297) | about 5 years ago | (#29645231)

I agree. There is nothing new to see here... move the budget along to something better.

Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | about 5 years ago | (#29645333)

I find it difficult to believe that any SG-1 fan could be as happy as the submitter.

I find it difficult to believe that any fan of Atlantis could be as happy of the submitter. Atlantis had its faults, but it was at least true to the series. This feels a lot more like the "Enterprise" of the Stargate world than the "Voyager."

Re:Big SG1 fan, not impressed. (-1, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29645429)

Good summary. Here are the random thoughts that popped into my head during the premiere:

- That ship traveled the distance of about ~50 galaxies in 10,000 years. According to scientists there's about 3 million LYs between each galaxy, so the ship covered that's 150 million lightyears. FLAW: It's only about 50 million LYs from here to the edge of the universe. (suspension of disbelief just broke)

- How many stargates did the Ancients "seed" if the ship was only one day away from one of them? There must be trillions of them scattered around.

- Stargate Atlantis is to Star Trek DS9, as Stargate Universe is to Voyager.
- I'd rather have season 6 of Atlantis.

babylon 5 (5, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#29644843)

I'd still like to see a B5 feature film. Too bad that JMS hasn't been up to it since the passing of Andreas Katsulas and Richard Biggs. I still think that B5 is rather underrated/unknown in the general population (although it has a large following here on /.) and suspect that it could do very well at the box office with the right storyline.

I've watched a lot of Sci-Fi but I always wind up coming back to B5. It's the only series that I care enough about to invest the money to buy up all the DVDs. I can still pick up new things when I re-watch the series. How do you go wrong with characters like Londo, G'Kar and Garibaldi?

Re:babylon 5 (1)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | about 5 years ago | (#29645085)

B5 WAS an excellent show.

I borrowed a co-workers VHS tapes to watch the show because at the time, I missed the first 2 seasons or so.

I was extremely hooked on the show. It's characters, the writing, the time arc - it was very well done. Some day I will own the whole show and rewatch it.

I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

Re:babylon 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645287)

B5 WAS an excellent show.

I borrowed a co-workers VHS tapes to watch the show because at the time, I missed the first 2 seasons or so.

I was extremely hooked on the show. It's characters, the writing, the time arc - it was very well done. Some day I will own the whole show and rewatch it.

I wonder if it would be possibly to do a new show post B5, maybe set 100 years later or something.

Well a follow-up series [wikipedia.org] was attempted, but for various reasons only about 13 episodes were made.

Re:babylon 5 (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | about 5 years ago | (#29645313)

This whole thread is off-topic, but I'll bite. B5 has had several straight-to-DVD feature films, trying to tie events in the mythology together into an entertaining story. The trouble is that they have to be moments away from the main mythology, or which were overlooked in the main story for presumably very good reasons, and are generally not as satisfying as the series itself was. You could re-do the main plot as a film, but it wouldn't be an epic any more.

Re:babylon 5 (3, Insightful)

gedrin (1423917) | about 5 years ago | (#29645427)

I'm a huge B5 fan, but we just can't keep looking for it to come back. The show, I'd even argue the entire setting, was built to run its story, and it did that job very well. Given the quality of what's come after, I'd be very wary of a B5 feature. That said, don't let your love of B5 blind you to something good that might come along. Before B5, nearly every sci-fi out there lived in the shadow of StarTrek, and B5 suffered for that shadow. I think it's fair to compare SGU to SGA and SG-1. It's probably just as fair to compare it to a recent contemporary that likely will share some of the same character dynamics (There's a Gould on the ship.), BSG. However, just like not everything can/could be StarTrek, not everything can/could/should be B5.

I loved it! (2, Interesting)

ionix5891 (1228718) | about 5 years ago | (#29644891)

I have to say it kept me on edge of seat grinning, the detail and visuals were stunning, the music was very very well done!

As for the characters, the acting was quite good, i can see some of them growin

Im delighted to have a new Stargate to watch, and this new direction
lets be honest SG1 last seasons and SGA got very tired and boring

Thats what i love about this, I dont feel like im watchin yet another McGuiver episode or can predict the ending by watching the first few minutes

Stargate Universe has what was lost about Season 2 of SG1, not knowing what happens when you step thru the gate! last few seasons of Atlantis were diabolical imho

Its different and i like the new direction :)

Commercials, What Commercials? (3, Insightful)

k0ldsh4d0wz (1608239) | about 5 years ago | (#29644905)

Who still wastes their time watching commercials?

Evil Doctor (2, Insightful)

StarWreck (695075) | about 5 years ago | (#29644923)

Dr. Nicholas Rush seems to just be playing the part of D. Zachary Smith from Lost in Space.

Re:Evil Doctor (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644965)

An effeminate pedophile?

Re:Evil Doctor (1)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | about 5 years ago | (#29645273)

But it's been so long since Lost in Space came out that most people either don't remember Dr. Smith, or don't even know who you're talking about. :)

Fewer commercials are possible (1)

ITRambo (1467509) | about 5 years ago | (#29644925)

Watch it online to avoid the long commercial breaks.

Re:Fewer commercials are possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645023)

Only in the USA.

Bad Commercial Breaks... (4, Insightful)

TypoNAM (695420) | about 5 years ago | (#29644941)

I couldn't believe how many ads appeared during this thing.

Yeah really, luckily I watched it via DVR after it had started recording for at least 40 minutes before I began watching it. I haven't seen so many badly (and annoying) placed commercial breaks in a pilot airing since the Star Trek: Enterprise premier. After getting a 720p torrent of the show and then watching it again, it is far more enjoyable (Thanks SiTV!).

Is Stargate any good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29644947)

I liked the Stargate movie alright. I have never watched a single episode of the TV series. Is it actually worthwhile? Looked kind of stupid to me.

Re:Is Stargate any good? (0, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | about 5 years ago | (#29645133)

The movie is pretty worthless compared to the series.

Re:Is Stargate any good? (1)

HikingStick (878216) | about 5 years ago | (#29645371)

I genuinely liked the series. It seemed to get a little tired around season 4 (or was it 5), but then picked up again. Overall, it was highly entertaining, at least to this viewer and his family.

Potential (4, Interesting)

Canazza (1428553) | about 5 years ago | (#29644953)

It's taken alot of stuff from Battlestar Galactica and Lost - not nescesarilly a bad thing - The previous series rather relaxed attitude to Sci-fi is still there, albeit reigned back slightly in favour of what seems to be a more character-oriented series. Notably the lack of any 'big bad' in the first episode bodes well for the focus being on internal struggle rather than on any kind of external threat.
One of my biggest gripes with the final series of SG-1 (and most of Atlantis) was the reliance on Deus Ex Machina to save the day (Especially in the closing episode of Atlantis) and the constant ressurection of characters through various means, Dr Beckett's clone, Dr Wier's seemingly endless robot clones and Daniel Jackson's repeated Ascensions/Falls.
Stargate's been one of my favourite series since I was a teenager (I've been watching SG-1 since series 3, and having watched Series 1 and 2 on repeats) - The audience has grown up, but the show really hasn't. SGU will hopefully fulfil that role, without alienating any newcomers

Re:Potential (4, Interesting)

dargon (105684) | about 5 years ago | (#29645083)

Blame fan support for Danial Jacksons repeated reincarnations, if I remember correctly they originally didn't plan to bring him back after his first "death" but a large percentage of fans kinda freaked out.

Re:Potential (1)

oracleguy01 (1381327) | about 5 years ago | (#29645119)

It felt like the leadership conflict between the SG team leader (Scott then Young) and Doctor Rush once they were on the Destiny was a bit forced and artificial feeling. Especially when you contrast it to Rush before they went through the gate.

However despite a few small flaws like that, it was pretty good. But the real question isn't if this episode was good or the next one, it is what they will do with the premise, that will be interesting to see. Hopefully they don't waste it.

And they better not do many "We found a way home!!! Oh crap it didn't pan out at the last second!!!" type episodes like Star Trek Voyager did.

Re:Potential (2, Interesting)

Canazza (1428553) | about 5 years ago | (#29645257)

I get the feeling that we'll find out it was actually Rush that contacted the Lucien Alliance in order to attack the planet, so that it'd free enough energy from the core to dial the gate. If I'm right then I'll likely stop watching it, as me guessing a major plot point like that was par for the course for Atlantis :P

Re:Potential (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | about 5 years ago | (#29645121)

Stargate Universe was horrible. Cross SG Atlantis with ST Voyager and Battlestar Galatica, you have SG-U. Crappiest piece of sci-fi on television. A waste and a disgrace to the StarGate genre. I'll give it 3 to 4 more episodes, perhaps it'll get better. I doubt it however. Barf! The kid, Eli, was the better actor of all of them. Sad, very sad.

They need to bring back Atlantis or SG-1 and stop adding this crap. I miss my Sci-Fi as well. This new, hipper, Sy-Fy is a joke. Smile

Hell, I'd even be willing to pay a small monthly free. I miss my Stargate. Sad

P.S. Did they even have any screeners when making this crap? A simple sample group would have very quickly told them, "Hell no!". The sex scene was out of place and not even needed, it added nothing at all to the show. They had a character die that you could care less for, yet the daughter freaks out as to goad us into feeling sympathy about her father's death. I was like, "We don't know you or your father well enough to gain your sympathy." The scientist has the presence of a Vampire just waiting to get his next meal. He reminds me of the doctor on BSG, the creepy little snake playing all sides to cover his ass. Nothing new.

Word has it that the official StarGate Universe forum (Gateworld) has shut down a forum criticizing the show. Go figure. Who the hell is running that place? If they want viewers, this isn't the way to go.

Firefly (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29644959)

...style that practically every sci-fi show since Firefly uses.

I don't get why Firefly was canceled. It was popular among geeks and trend-setting. It even had the potential to be the next Star Trek-like franchise. I suppose bean-counting overrode "buzz". They didn't give it time. Shame
     

Re:Firefly (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#29645039)

It even had the potential to be the next Star Trek-like franchise.

Star Trek stopped having potential somewhere around 1995 [wikipedia.org] . Now it's all about recycled plots, recycled characters, reset buttons and lens flares.

Re:Firefly (4, Insightful)

mrdoogee (1179081) | about 5 years ago | (#29645175)

It was on Fox.

I wish it was more complicated, but there it is. US network TV has no patience for a new show, especially Sci-Fi or Fantasy. If it doesn't get good ratings (top 3 in time slot) within its first month, its more or less dead in the water.

Re:Firefly (4, Funny)

Canazza (1428553) | about 5 years ago | (#29645185)

If Firefly had been called Starfly it'd have suceeded

Look at the 3 biggest Sci-fi franchises.
Star Trek (5 TV Spin-offs, 11 Movies, countless books, 40 years old)
Star Wars (7 Movies, 1 TV series, countless books too, 30 years old)
StarGate (1 Movie, 2 DVD Movies, 3 TV Spin-offs, lots of books too, 15 years old)

Then you have BattleSTAR Galactica, 2 Spin-offs and one in the works, also 30 years old.

Next time you're pitching a script, put STAR in the title name somewhere, it'll go far!

Re:Firefly (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | about 5 years ago | (#29645355)

Not always true [wikipedia.org]

SG-1 (1)

Gotung (571984) | about 5 years ago | (#29644971)

Just started watching SG-1 for the first time on Hulu. About mid-way through season 5.

Is there any reason I should I finish out SG-1 before watching this?

Re:SG-1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645143)

No. Except for the fact that they now have a fleet of ships powered by Asgard technology and that Don S Davis died last year, that is really all you need to know. Oh, Atlantis is in the Pegasus Galaxy, O'Neill is a General, and Carter is now a Colonel. That is about it.

Re:SG-1 (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 5 years ago | (#29645201)

ehh not really, you'll get to see some new tech that humans developed/cobbled together, but it won't give you any super huge massive spoilers. At least none that you'll recognize as spoilers.

Re:SG-1 (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 5 years ago | (#29645209)

this makes a clean cut with most of the later mythos of SG-1, save for some ancient tech stuff.

SG-1's ending was still interesting to watch so you might as well.

Re:SG-1 (1)

GundamFan (848341) | about 5 years ago | (#29645289)

Other than SG-1 being a really fun take on Sci-Fi no not really. SGU is very newbie friendly.

Re:SG-1 (1)

Canazza (1428553) | about 5 years ago | (#29645323)

Once you get the whole Ascension thing and have watched "Prometheus" (So end of Series 6) you're pretty much up to speed on what's needed for SGU tech-wise. Maybe watch the first Series of Atlantis to get some Ancient tech ideas, but it's not really that worth it.

Re:SG-1 (1)

HikingStick (878216) | about 5 years ago | (#29645325)

You could start watching without finishing. In time, there will likely be references made to "tip the hat" to the orginal SG-1 and Atlantis fans. If you like SG-1 and have the time, keep watching. I felt things got better in seasons 6-8 again, but the series ending was a bit too much of a hurry for me. I really enjoyed Atlantis and was disappointed that it was axed so early. I felt it could have gone another four seasons without resorting to yet another new enemy-there were many threads that could have yet been wrapped up.

FEH! (0)

macbeth66 (204889) | about 5 years ago | (#29645029)

and mindless.

Another season long running episode in x parts. Who has the time to see every single episode. And, with this quality, why would I want to.

For quite a few years now, I've waited until the show is on DVD. Then I can watch at my own pace. And if it never shows up on DVD, it most likely sucked anyway. I stopped watching Lost and Heros as they both really started to suck after the first season. And God forbid you missed an episode. Sheesh. TV is supposed to be an escape, not a way of life.

Re:FEH! (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 5 years ago | (#29645233)

If Lost was episodic, it would be another gilligans island.

3 thumbs up (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 5 years ago | (#29645045)

I think the new series started very well, though I don't know how long they will last with the good plots.

The Keno is cool, but if this is really Ancient ancient technology, why haven't they showed up in some other ancient places , like atlantis.

It would be really cool... (-1, Troll)

clickety6 (141178) | about 5 years ago | (#29645047)

...if they took this Stargate theme and made a movie about it. Maybe one where archaeologists first uncover a timegate and they use it to travel to a distant planet where it seem the Ancient Egyptians still live but with weird alien technology... wouldn't that be cool... ?

Appallingly mediocre. (5, Insightful)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | about 5 years ago | (#29645051)

All the contrived, pointless tropes of Stargate with none of the cheeky self-deprecating humor.

Also, Gaius Baltar has no place in the Stargate Universe. Honestly, practically every sentence that came out of Robert Carlyle's mouth it felt like he was being fed his lines by an invisible woman in a red dress. Only he wasn't. His character just has zero definition, and there's no way to sympathize with him.

Sadly, it's all we have.

Re:Appallingly mediocre. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645221)

yes stargate 90210 sucks.

- camcorder style shots just remind you that ur watching a tv show and pull you out of it.

- what was the point of the sex scene other than to alienate family viewers - just dumb.

- Carlisle can do much better which just shows what idiots are running the show.

- young cast have no style, and they are not even that good looking

- It will probably run for a log time because of lack of credible competition and it fits the studio exec's 'formula'

- IMHO Connor Chronicles was the last almost ok Sci fi production...

Re:Appallingly mediocre. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645399)

the touch of comedy was what made SG-1 good.

So? (-1, Troll)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 5 years ago | (#29645089)

Even if it were actually good, don't watch it. Or have you forgotten [tvweek.com] ?

"The name Sci Fi has been associated with geeks and dysfunctional, antisocial boys in their basements with video games and stuff like that, as opposed to the general public and the female audience in particular."

By watching anything on that channel, or, at least, encouraging those who possess Nielsen boxes to watch it, you are giving money to hucksters in suits who hold you in contempt and are incapable of distinguishing your interests from pro wrestling and ghost hunting.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645253)

Ghost hunting is my interest.

Commercials? (1)

CRiMSON (3495) | about 5 years ago | (#29645093)

What commercials? I didn't have any in mine....

Not bad, but too many commercials (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645101)

I thought the show was OK, and the concept reminded me a Star Trek Voyager, which was one of my favorite shows.

The only thing I didn't like was the amount of commercials. It made it unbearable to watch. I know they spent a lot of money promoting it and wanted to soak up as much advertising money as they could, but DAMN! I actually took out a timer and found that there was a repeating pattern of about 5 minutes of show followed by about 4 minutes of commercials.

It the real show has that many commercials, I'll be watching it on bittorent.

Excellent (1)

BingmanO (1365957) | about 5 years ago | (#29645107)

I have to say i enjoyed it as well. Although since i watched it online i got to play Discover Card memory game...which in of itself is ultimately lame. I'm very excited to see the direction they take. The one part i'm not happy about is the "humanized" long range communications device so earth knows where they are and can stay in regular contact. It seems to me the show would be more edgy if everyone on earth thought they were dead. I also have to say that Dr. Nicholas Rush is the equiv of Baltar from BSG, although so far he hasn't done anything outrageous (unless he contacted the Lucian Alliance to force everyone into the gate. ???)

Alright (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29645109)

Only occasionally watched the other Stargate series (loved the movie though) and am only partly familiar with the storylines. So, I guess I'd be less likely to be bored of the franchise. I thought it was decent, though they'll have to work to keep it from being a Voyager knockoff. Admittedly, at first I was watching just because the congressdude's daughter is sort of cute, but the story has potential if the writers can inject some originality. Otherwise I suspect it'll linger like even bad shows seem to on SciFi (I refuse to use the retarded new channel name).

My thoughts (2, Informative)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 5 years ago | (#29645117)

I thought the visuals were good, I liked the 'ancient' star ship and the way it was rendered. It's nice to see something the ancients made that isn't 'pretty'. I didn't really care for the actors but I may grow to like them, the shaky camera stuff was really annoying though and irked me. The sex scene was just randomly thrown in and made me roll my eyes, it was a pointless grab for the crotch thinking audience. A few concerns is how they are going to butcher ancient tech. There is a lot of opportunity to expand on the story of the ancients, but with that huge opportunity is a massive chance they are going to kill it. I'm hopeful it will be a good addition to the Stargate series.

Stargate Voyager (2, Funny)

mhajicek (1582795) | about 5 years ago | (#29645153)

Nothing new, just a couple old plot devices shaken together. Still might be worth the watch; we'll just have to wait and see.

Typical intro to a spinoff (1)

metoc (224422) | about 5 years ago | (#29645161)

It was typical for a spin off series. Lay down the ground work for the viewers new to the series, throw in some background on the individuals, add cameos for the stars from the previous series and hint at whats to come. Most importantly don't mess with the formula.

As for the episode. It still amazes me how the writers handle "The Ancients". Come on. Someone sends out a robot spaceship for a indefinitely long journey and it doesn't have a way to repair itself? "The Ancients" are so omnipotent that they don't need spacesuits, supplies or tools to make repairs, but they do need spaceships? Either "The Ancients" are so overrated or the writers need to think before they write. Oops. I forgot we were talking about Hollywood.

Re:Typical intro to a spinoff (1)

oracleguy01 (1381327) | about 5 years ago | (#29645397)

As for the episode. It still amazes me how the writers handle "The Ancients". Come on. Someone sends out a robot spaceship for a indefinitely long journey and it doesn't have a way to repair itself? "The Ancients" are so omnipotent that they don't need spacesuits, supplies or tools to make repairs, but they do need spaceships? Either "The Ancients" are so overrated or the writers need to think before they write. Oops. I forgot we were talking about Hollywood.

Yeah, you would think they would have left supplies on board, maybe not tools but at least a few spare parts for critical systems. But I guess as they explained in the episode, the Ancients were planning on coming there and logically when they did, they would have probably brought spare parts. However despite that, as they said in the episode, the ship is huge and they had only explored a small part of it, there could be spare parts some place on the ship.

Isn't the ship supposed to be like 100k years old? If so, the fact that it would be working at all would is amazing.

Re:Typical intro to a spinoff (4, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | about 5 years ago | (#29645411)

The ship has been flying a lot longer than the Ancients planned. That's because they learned to ascend, and never ended up using the ship.

Depends on your definition of "real" and "good"... (2, Interesting)

hal2814 (725639) | about 5 years ago | (#29645191)

"The TV Landscape needs more real, good sci-fi: there's not a lot of it left, even on the moronically renamed Syfy channel." You can argue "real" and "good" if you want, but there's more new sci-fi television coming out now than there probably ever has been. I'd call both Lost and Heroes sci-fi. And they're both major shows on network television. Also, on the other side of the pond Doctor Who has had a revival in a very big way. It's on hiatus for now but will be back on or near December. But the two spin-offs are both airing new shows. There's a BSG spin-off. Dollhouse survived another year. The V revival is coming. The aforementioned Stargate... The biggest dearth of Sci-Fi television right now comes from the channel that used to be devoted to it.

Flashback format getting old... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 5 years ago | (#29645261)

I enjoyed the show and have hopes for a quality series, though it does seem like a mash-up of other Sci-Fi shows, so my hopes are measured. I will say that I'm getting a little tired of the flashback format that's being used more and more (Lost, Defying Gravity, SG*U) to fill in recent history.

Using a flashback for things further in the past, sure, but stuff that happened two days ago? Give me a break. I'm sure the writers (or network) want to get on with the action, but is a linear story so bad, especially in the premiere episode?

I think I would have enjoyed a little more foreplay before the real action started...

Stargate B-Team (3, Insightful)

gedrin (1423917) | about 5 years ago | (#29645305)

I didn't like it. Seemed as if they rounded up the disfunctional people; from military personnel with discipline issues to an MMO geek who's living with his mom (who seems like a Wesley Crusher stand in for the show), and decided they'd be an exciting group of people to sail across the universe on a ship that's about as functional as its crew. I find the makeup of the "crew" absurd, and expect they'll spend the time SG-1 would have used to explore the galaxy, make friends, and fight bad guys to backstab each other and generally angst their way across the universe. Say what you will, but with Jack, Sam, Teal'c and Daniel doing their job, I felt like the people of their universe could at least know they had quality people on the line. Even the Atlantis group seemed to be made of folks with extraoridinary levels of competency in their fields. These guys...well...these guys open sealed doors with flashing red lights on busted up spaceships.

Re:Stargate B-Team (1)

kbmxpxfan (1251818) | about 5 years ago | (#29645335)

Agreed

SyFy is well known for (1)

mandark1967 (630856) | about 5 years ago | (#29645339)

introducing a great concept for a new show, letting it get popular, then letting it wither, then killing it before its time.

This has happened before and this will happen again.

soap opera in space (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | about 5 years ago | (#29645343)

This is yet another "sci fi" show that's just a soap opera that happens to take place in space. The people behind the show said it themselves, they're trying to make it into a show that's more interesting to everyone, not just sci fi geeks. They're lowing the sci fi content and focusing on inter-character relationships and drama. Just looking at the future previews in the commercials, it's obvious it's going to be like Battlestar Galactica x 100 when it comes to over the top drama and it's going to have a hell of a lot lower sci fi content. They might as well have named it Dawson's Creek in space or The Hills in space because that's what it is.

My thoughts (3, Interesting)

moniker127 (1290002) | about 5 years ago | (#29645345)

Personally I look forward to every episode in the stargate series. I was a big fan of SG1 for a while, and while I didn't like atlantis at first, I eventually did- realizing that it was its own thing.
At first I was kind of scared with the direction they were taking it with stargate universe. I don't like watching drama shows. I thought back to the new battlestar galactica- which was okay- but honestly not my favorite series.
I just hope they don't try too hard to copy what battlestar galactica did. I kind of have the feeling that they want to- given the similarities of characters- Nicholas Rush is a over emotional long haired scientist guy who is possibly evil possibly insane- just like gaius baltar. I have a feeling that they're trying to adama-fy Col. Everett Young- but that wont work. Edward James Olmos defined that character. They cant duplicate him.

What i'm hoping is that they will realize they're going to fail if they copy another series, and they warp the characters a bit so that they're not the same. I'm hoping that once they do that- i'll lose the sour taste in my mouth.
Anyway- I do like the gamer dude- Eli Wallace- but I feel like it was kind of an obvious ploy of them to put him in- they know most of the people who watch the show are fat male gamers who went to college (like myself). Regardless- that should inject some humor into the series- and that is the main reason I loved the series- because of the witty comic relief- like when Jack O'neal made some wise crack at the big scary aliens- or when Rodney Mckay yelled at the other characters for forgetting something that was blatently obvious to the viewer- but would've been left in the background in any "first generation" sci fi series - like startrek and such.

Anyway- I feel like i've geeked out enough for one blurb, I may as well be the fat comic book guy at this point- so i'll cut my blurb short.

Brown's Orthopedic Supplies (1)

Jumpin' Jon (731892) | about 5 years ago | (#29645381)

Will we ever see an episode where the SG team visit Brown's Orthopedic Supplies I wonder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Sound [wikipedia.org]

For UK /.ers, you can listen again That Mitchell and Webb Sound on iPlayer.

Stargate + Voyager + Battlestar Galactica + Petra (1)

pudge (3605) | about 5 years ago | (#29645389)

That about sums it up.

I'll keep watching for now.

In case you missed the final reference ... compare SG:U ship [clubphoenixrising.com] to Not of This World album cover [blogspot.com] .

Oh, also, with all the kids in SG:U, I keep wanting to call it "Stargate University."

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