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The First High-Definition TV, Circa 1958

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the swivels-and-tilts-and-comes-in-purple dept.

Television 222

An anonymous reader sends us to Gizmag for a look at a recent auction of a large collection of antique TVs. The star of the show was the Teleavia type P111, one of the earliest examples of high-definition TV. This rare 1958 console-stand television was designed by Flaminio Bertroni, who was also responsible for the iconic Citroen DS. The TV featured dual resolution capability, with the higher setting offering better resolution than 720p — 819 lines. This early attempt at a high-def standard, originating in France in 1949, didn't catch on in the marketplace.

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First hidef first post (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29652657)

Just look closely at the fine kerning!

Rob Malda has a micropenis (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29652765)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [] [] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [] [], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [] [] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [] [] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [] [], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [] [] on leftist commie propaganda site as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [] [] slut [] []!

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [] [] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [] []. To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [] [] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [] [] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [] [] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [] [] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [] [] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [] [] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [] [] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [] [] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [] [], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [] [] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [] [] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [] [] is secret homo [] [] slang for the tip of a penis [] [] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [] [] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [] [] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [] []' originally referred to a homosexual [] [] practice. Slashdot [] [] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [] [] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, [] [].

The editors of Slashdot [] [] also have homosexual [] [] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [] []. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [] [] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [] [] runs on Apache!

The Apache [] [] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [] [] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [] [] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [] []-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [] [] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [] [], Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [] [] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [] [].

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [] [] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [] [].

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [] [], Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [] [] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [] [] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [] []. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [] [] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [] [], Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [] [] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [] [] is that it contains hidden homosexual [] [] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [] [] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [] [] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [] [], Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [] [] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [] []'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [] []. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [] [] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [] [].

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [] [] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [] [], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [] []. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [] [] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [] [] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [] [], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [] [] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [] [] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

I do it wrong!

I do it wrong

Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....


Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass [] [].

"OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"

"Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"


I continue to hump her alabaster form. Glistening with beads of sweat, she bites her lip in delight as I tear her ass open with my engorged dick.

"Queen Amidala!!" I shreik as I near climax.

She looks up at me and screams, "You are so alive in me, unlike *BSD or VA Software!!! Fill me with seed!! Yes, Yes, Yess!!!!"

"For me you are calling, hhhmmm?"

"YODA?!? What the fuck, can't you see I am using the force here?"

He savagely kicks my Natalie aside, he pulls out his large green penis and impales me...


All your sporkz are belong to the dead homiez!!

A couple weeks ago, while (browsing around the library downtown|working late in the computer labs), I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Barack Obama -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure the secret service wouldn't even let me shake his hand.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a liberal democrat and had been on the Obama train since last year. Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Barack Obama, the chosen one.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Barack Obama wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than listening to an Obama speech!

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of Barack Obama dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful democrat.

I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Barack to decide to come up and talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone in the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but it was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I met Barack. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Barack and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Barack. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Barack demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club." They would say things like that. Barack would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Barack to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Barack announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Barack roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Barack, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Barack had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club. They held me down on a bench and Barack fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her.

"Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer.

Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Barack roared with laughter. "Condoms? We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck!

Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga.

We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

Re:Rob Malda has a micropenis (1)

rdavidson3 (844790) | about 5 years ago | (#29653487)

I think someone didn't take their meds today.

Re:Rob Malda has a micropenis (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 5 years ago | (#29653519)

Careful, he'll be throwing chairs again soon!

Re:First hidef first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653753)

I am also new here and i am still in the process of learning things in this site. I just accidentally saw the site and i registered

Re:First hidef first post (2, Funny)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 5 years ago | (#29653961)

Fine kerning doesn't matter, if there's only Arial and Comic Sans MS to look at.

The Citroen (3, Insightful)

conureman (748753) | about 5 years ago | (#29652673)

Way ahead of it's time, as well. What a ride!

Re:The Citroen (1, Funny)

conureman (748753) | about 5 years ago | (#29652711)

Is that web page ahead of it's time or do I just need to update my browser? ow.

Re:The Citroen (-1, Redundant)

c6gunner (950153) | about 5 years ago | (#29653313)

Way ahead of it's time, as well. What a ride!

When asked about the 2CVs performance and acceleration, many owners said it went "from 0-60 in one day". Others jokingly said they "had to make an appointment to merge onto an interstate highway system".

Yep, a heck of a ride ...

Re:The Citroen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653863)

There are other Citroens than cute little 2CV.

This didn't catch on. . (5, Funny)

Master Moose (1243274) | about 5 years ago | (#29652715)

.. Only because it didn't have HDMI input, which as we all know is imperative to receiving HD content.

Re:This didn't catch on. . (2, Interesting)

StreetStealth (980200) | about 5 years ago | (#29653109)

Obviously the movie studios were afraid of having their content available to consumers in such high resolutions!

But for all I know, that may not be entirely a joke.

Re:This didn't catch on. . (4, Interesting)

Firehed (942385) | about 5 years ago | (#29653437)

I wouldn't doubt that (you can certainly fit a feature film's worth of 1080p on a dual layer DVD, but copyright holders waited for a more DRM-infected format), but I think bandwidth would have been the bigger issue. Lord knows they didn't have digital compression back then, never mind a decent implementation like h.264. I don't know a damn thing about analog compression, but I imagine that it's all inherently lossy so applying much would defeat the purpose of having the increased resolution in the first place.

Re:This didn't catch on. . (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653631)

As a frequent pirate of movies, let me just say: 8-9GB for a 1080p movie (in h.264) is not sufficient to make compression artifacts non-noticeable on any decent display. And I've yet to find a codec that is better than h.264.

Re:This didn't catch on. . (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 5 years ago | (#29654021)

It wasn't until the late 70s (early 80s) that the VCR became a consumer mass-market product. Sure, there have been other devices prior for niche markets; but they wouldn't have had much of an impact on content piracy.

I think a more down-to-earth explanation as to why that hi-def analog format failed was due to the cost of the infrastructure to support it. In fact, were there any cameras with the technology to support 819 lines at the time?

Re:This didn't catch on. . (3, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | about 5 years ago | (#29653713)

Sure, HDMI is a joke. But there's a deeper issue going on... who hasn't noticed that TV as we've known it is almost dead?

1) I don't bother with rabbit ears.

2) I have a television but it's never on except to play video games.

3) I never turn on a set to see "what's on".

4) When I want to "watch TV", I turn to my Mac Mini, and surf to Hulu, Netflix or sometimes directly to the major networks.

5) I'm oblivious to the network behind most of the shows I watch. I typically go to the networks' sites last, and then only when I have time to kill. Which is rare.

6) I watch the shows I want, when I want, starting from the beginning. If I don't like a show, I switch to another show, which also starts right up, exactly when I want it to. When I stay at a Hotel, I find the "channel surfing" experience annoying since I can't start the shows at the beginning!

I have plenty of money to buy a TV. I just don't care to - Hulu/Netflix/Mac-Mini with a nice screen and Altec Lansing speakers give me a much more satisfactory experience. (seriously, who knew speakers so small could PUMP like that with good fidelity to boot?)

The only thing I really miss is the remote - the Mac Mini remote doesn't work with the browser. Wireless mice are annoying since the pointer tends to bounce around, and the batteries die quickly. But it's a small price to pay...

Re:This didn't catch on. . (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 5 years ago | (#29653819)

Huh, I'm the same, but everyone still looks at me weird when I tell them I don't actually own a TV... :P

Re:This didn't catch on. . (2, Insightful)

mcrbids (148650) | about 5 years ago | (#29653969)

Don't be sheepish! When they say "TV" you say: "Why would you want one of those?".

Turn the conversation around, and make them justify spending $XX money without even getting video "on demand".

Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (5, Informative)

Rantastic (583764) | about 5 years ago | (#29652735)

The TV featured dual resolution capability, with the higher setting offering better resolution than 720p â" 819 lines.

Nice try, but "by today's standards, it could be called 737i with a maximum theoretical resolution of 816x737 pixels with a 4:3 aspect ratio (10Mhz * 40.8 / 1000 *2 = 816)" Now compare this to the 720p standard which is 1280x720 pixels and a much higher resolution.

Re:Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (1, Insightful)

Jartan (219704) | about 5 years ago | (#29652849)

TV CRT's don't have an actual horizontal resolution like you are thinking. The set is obviously 4:3 but if they had built a widescreen version it would indeed have higher resolution than 720p. There's nothing surprising about this either. The technology for high-def isn't some new fangled thing.

Re:Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29652963)

This is wrong, not insightful. The horizontal resolution is restricted by the video bandwidth. The 819-line system had up to 10MHz of video bandwidth. That translates to ~488 cycles per line (bandwidth / (lines + frame rate)). Some of that is wasted on blanking and sync (the 625-line system "wastes" 12us out of 64us per line). Correct digitization requires at least 2 pixels per cycle, so that translates to a horizontal resolution of ~800 pixels, no matter what aspect ratio. 720p is 1280 pixels wide.

We're still seeing the same thing today (2, Insightful)

StreetStealth (980200) | about 5 years ago | (#29653065)

Just as we say today "wow, they had 737i prototypes in 1958!" one day in the future we will marvel "wow, they had 4096p prototypes all the way back in 2002! [] "

Re:We're still seeing the same thing today (0, Offtopic)

Xtravar (725372) | about 5 years ago | (#29653345)

Ha ha, quit joking around! The world won't exist that much longer!

Re:We're still seeing the same thing today (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about 5 years ago | (#29653993)

If you want to go there, then we had video games with 4096x4096 graphics all the way back in 1977 (Cinematronics Space Wars).

Re:Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (3, Informative)

Rantastic (583764) | about 5 years ago | (#29653207)

If you want to get technical, here is a quote from Wikipedia:

Also in analog connected picture displays such as CRT TV sets, the horizontal scanlines are not divided into pixels, and therefore the horizontal resolution is related to the bandwidth of the luminance and chroma signals. For television, the analog bandwidth for luminance in standard definition can vary from 3 MHz (approximately 330 lines edge-to-edge; VHS) to 4.2 MHz (440 lines; live analog tv) up to 7 MHz (660 lines; DVD). In high definition the bandwidth is 37 MHz (720p/1080i) or 74 MHz (1080p/60).

Even a hypothetical widescreen System E (the 819 line French system) would not be as high resolution as 720p due to its relatively limited 10MHz analog bandwidth.

Re:Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about 5 years ago | (#29653985)

What you're saying is true, I think the horizontal resolution would be defined by the usable bandwidth of the whole system from camera through transmission all the way up to the actual CRT itself.

Re:Summary is wrong, not higher res that 720p (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29652859)

Also, it's interlaced (the i in 737i), not progressive. And black-and-white. And it did catch on - France used it from the 40s to the 80s. Calling it HDTV is dumb - it had a few more lines than the 625-line system. Which in turn had more lines than the American 525-line system. Which in turn had more lines than the British 405-line system.

off the rez (0)

JackSpratts (660957) | about 5 years ago | (#29652757)

black and white crt sets are essentially infinite resolution since they don't employ shadow masks like color sets (they use color wheels when color is needed). in manufacturing the use of ultra resolution b&w sets to check welds is common so i'm not sure what's unique about this tv. the tuner perhaps but even a common tube can be used for high definition.

Re:off the rez (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 5 years ago | (#29652791)

I'm assuming that, in this case, the resolution is defined either by the maximum resolution of the signal standard it was intended to pick up, or by the quality of the circuitry that handled the signal. Infinite resolution on the tube side isn't going to help you if some other component is letting you down, and analog components definitely have finite ability to transfer signals cleanly(as do digital components, those just take the entire hit up front).

As for the unique bit, probably just the "vintage 1958" bit, and not a whole lot beside that.

Re:off the rez (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 5 years ago | (#29653015)

They had finite bandwidth.

Re:off the rez (5, Informative)

camperslo (704715) | about 5 years ago | (#29653803)

The screens in the black and white tubes didn't limit resolution, but the spots size (focus) of the beam could. In practice that's mainly a problem with very small screens and high brightness levels, as seen with c.r.t.s in projection sets. Those sure could look awful...

In practice the resolution from left to right is limited by the video bandwidth. On a high end analog computer monitor that may exceed 100 MHz. That essentially limits the minimum width of vertical lines.
But unlike the case with analog computer monitors where stored digital pixel information has a corresponding fixed position on a line, a true analog signal can have intensity changes occur anywhere along the line. To approximate that digitally would take a minimum of two pixels being averaged. (It's the same theory that dictates using at least 40 KHz sampling to sample 20 KHz audio). Trying to use too few of digital pixels (sub-sampling) is what causes aliasing (the jaggies). Analog tv does have that problem, but only in the vertical direction due to the fixed line count/position.

In an analog television, the bandwidth is limited not by the video amplifier section, but by the "i.f." intermediate frequency strip of filters/amplification. By mixing the incoming signals with an adjustable internal oscillator, the tv tuner shifts the desired channel down to the intermediate frequency, there the i.f. filters pass the desired signal while attenuating that of the adjacent channels. That design approach avoids the need to retune a whole group of filters just to change channels. (When first done with A.M. radios, the breakthrough was called SuperHetrodyne) To get higher horizontal detail requires wider filters, and tv channels spaced more widely (greater spectrum bandwidth). The use of too much spectrum was the main limiting factor in preventing opting for higher quality analog. Also, a wider channel means more noise bandwidth (more is captured), so higher resolution would require increased transmitter power to get the desired signal to noise ratio (not notice snow).

The U.S. system used A.M. transmission, but with only part of the lower sideband transmitted in order to save bandwidth. Normal A.M. sidebands are mirror images of each other. With that redundant carrying of information, one sideband could actually be eliminated (you've heard of S.S.B. or single-sideband), but that was too big of a feat to be viable when tv standards were set. The compromise of vestigal sideband gave U.S. black and white tv slightly less than 4.5 MHz of bandwidth out of a 6 Mhz channel. The sound signal (F.M.) was placed 4.5 MHz up from the visual carrier frequency, so the usable video spectrum could extend quite that far. As with single-sideband, putting the same sideband transmission power as A.M. into a narrow channel reduces noise, so coverage is improved.

N.T.S.C. color stuffs additional information into the spectrum used by black and white. Because of the horizontal (line) scan rate being a samping rate of sorts, the video bands exist in clusters spaced that rate (15.750 Khz for B&W, changed to 15.734 Khz for color) occupying spectrum like the teeth of a comb. The added color information centers on a frequency 3.579545 MHz above the video carrier, a choice which causes the sidebands created by the color information to have a comb=like spectrum with the peaks falling right between those of the black and white. If you every had someone trying to sell you a tv that used comb filtering, maybe now you can almost understand why that was a good thing. It allowed recovering as much as possible of the detail present in both the black and white and color parts of the signal while minimizing interferrence effects between them. On old black and white tvs with pretty good signal bandwidth one could actually see a pattern in the parts of the picture where there was bright color content. It looked sort of like regularly spaced lighter/darker dots from left to right on each line. But the choice of frequencies/spacing was such that alternating lines had them offset so they tended to average out instead of forming veritcal lines on top of the picture. Anyway, being able to point out where the bright colors were from looking at a black and white tv was a good way to impress someone with geek powers...
Note that allowing anything in the picture having detail that would display at the same spacing (frequency) as those dots would have what would be mistaken for color information. Zooming in/out on someone with a stripped necktie could cause wild effects.

If someone tries to explain NTSC color and talks about switching and time-division multiplex, ignore them and instead think instead of the color signal being carried on two double-sideband signals centered at that same 3.579545 Mhz frequency (some are lazy and call it 3.58) up from the video carrier with the second set of sidebands generated from a (suppressed) carrier 90 degrees out of phase. That method of two signals in the same space is known as quadrature modulation. (the same magic that made the jump from 1200 baud to 2400 baud modems possible??? LOL) It is also what the Harris system for A.M. stereo broadcasting was based on...
The two double sideband signals carried something similar to R-Y and B-Y (red and blue minus the black and white intensity value). Aftersome balanced decoding and then some adding and subtracting, one gets RGB.
What happens if you adjust the phase of the 3.579545 Mhz signal when decoding? You get the "tint" control. NTSC actually broadcast I and Q, slightly different signals which nearly no tv since RCAs first color set (CTC-2/2B) of 1954 properly decoded, but that's another story. Did you know that the color gamut of modern ATSC HDTV is smaller than that of NTSC TV? (Of course again it was only the initial RCA set that decoded it right, and the initial c.r.t.s with the wider gamut were quickly replaced with types not capable of as deeply saturated colors, but gave more light output. No deep reds for us, just this sorta orangeish-red.
If we could go back to 1954, for just $1000 (in 1954 dollars) we could buy a color tv with a 12 inch diagonal usable screen (the outside of the tube was 15", so it was called 15") Maybe once a week something would be broadcast in color. Invite the neighbors...
The original RCA set fully decoded the color signals before they went into the c.r.t., so adjustments to balance the brightness and black level for each gun of the tube kept R, G, and B in proper proportions. But essentially every set that followed shoved the black and while (adjusted for tube characteristics) into the c.r.t. cathodes, while putting r-y, b-y, and g-y unadjusted onto the control grids. So a TV could be adjusted to make black and white look tint-free, but the character of the color would be off if the electron guns weren't closely matched. That's one reason that getting two tvs of the same model to look the same was a rare event. When the Sony Trinitron came along with an electron gun design that would simplifiy getting the R G and B pictures to overlap (converge) more easily, they made the control grid one piece of metal with three holes in it. With no isolated grid inputs, they had to fully decode the color before the c.r.t., bringing back that good (but slightly more complex) approach from 1954. The 1954 RCA design also had full D.C. restoration. When a video signal is coupled through a capacitor (tough to avoid with tube-type circuits especially), the average D.C. value is lost. That's the brightness information!!! As a result, scenes that should be dark would stay grey and look washed-out, and scenes that should be really bright wouldn't be bright enough, then having too much contrast and totally losing details in the darker scene areas which would become black. Users could adjust the contrast and brightness controls to make things look great, until the scene changed! LOL The Trinitron had fairly good D.C. restoration. (Due to sync pulses being with the video, it is possible to clamp the pulse peaks to a fixed voltage which restores the lost average D.C. value of the whole waveform) That and the separately decoded colors made for a good picture compared to most other sets up to that time. Ironically the more dramatic brightness changes showed the weaknesses of the Sony sets (the earlier ones) too, inability to get very bright, tending to defocus on the brighter parts, and the whole picture would bloom (get bigger) on bright scenes due to poor high-voltage supply regulation.
It's both funny and sad that a good sized plasma tv eats about as much power as an early color tv that had tubes for the active devices in the electronics. That is sooooo awful.

Warning: This message may be a byproduct of sunspot activity. As with watching too much tv, reading too much technobabble from someone that remembers too much strange old tech may make your head implode. Can the Dollhouse folks archive me to free up some space? Put the backup in the tv museum.

How well I remember... (-1, Troll)

tcopeland (32225) | about 5 years ago | (#29652769)

...Roosevelt going on television [] to talk about the stock market crash. Those were the days!

Does it still work? (1)

No Grand Plan (975972) | about 5 years ago | (#29652803)

...if not, then the whole question of resolution is academic, n'est ce pas?

And how far we have not come (5, Insightful)

NaCh0 (6124) | about 5 years ago | (#29652837)

Computer displays are the same way. Twelve years ago I had a vertical resolution of 1200px in a 21" monitor. Today on a 24" monitor, that's still the best sold in any store. It's sickening.

Re:And how far we have not come (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#29652909)

It gets worse if you just count 9 years ago. In 2001 we had a max vertical resolution of 1536 on a 22" monitor. Today on a 24" monitor you have either 1080 or 1200.

Re:And how far we have not come (2, Interesting)

StreetStealth (980200) | about 5 years ago | (#29653045)

One of the biggest factors to the glacial pace of desktop display resolution this decade may be web standards.

A sudden jump in DPI just doesn't isn't practical for the pixel-for-pixel nature of the web (however much the W3C may try to change that). Sure, newer browsers will scale entire layouts to higher resolutions, but the image quality and often layout integrity lose a lot in the process. So, display manufacturers have kept everything in the 72-96 dpi range so that everything looks more or less the same.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#29653325)

That would make sense, except that widescreen's become horribly ubiqitous and at the same time even on a 4:3 most pages are still a narrow vertical strip in a field of background.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 5 years ago | (#29653839)

Why does that bother you? It's not like you need to run your browser in full screen all the time...

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a widescreen advocate and I'd go back to my 2048x1536 CRTs if my eyes could still take it, but 16:10 isn't as bad as it sounds.

Even on 1680x1050 (which is perfect for me on 15.4" laptops in terms of pixel density, I've found), I've got enough room for a 1050x1050 browser window/Word/PDF and 630x1050 left for E-Mail, IM, widgets or whatever. Being able to view two full A4 PDFs side by side is also very useful...

As sad as it is, I don't think 4:3 or, God forbid, 5:4 displays are coming back - learn to make use of the benefits of 16:10 screens and you might realize that they're actually not as bad as they're made out to be...

Re:And how far we have not come (0, Offtopic)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#29653401)

In America today, one can advocate torture and preventative detention without being assumed sarcastic, fringe, or insane

This is offtopic and will probably be modded as such, but who has advocated for "preventative detention"? There are a fair number of people who have advocated for detention of those captured on the battlefield until such time as hostilities end (as is usually the case in war) but I've not heard any mainstream American politician call for "preventative" detention.

Re:And how far we have not come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653807)

I have a 15.4 inch laptop with 147 dpi. Sometimes that really sucks.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

BitterOak (537666) | about 5 years ago | (#29653193)

It gets worse if you just count 9 years ago. In 2001 we had a max vertical resolution of 1536 on a 22" monitor. Today on a 24" monitor you have either 1080 or 1200.

That's because today's monitors are widescreen (16:9) instead of the old standard (4:3). Comparing 22" 4:3 with 24" 16:9 doesn't actually mean you have more space in the vertical direction, but you have many more pixels in the horizontal direction.

Personally, I hate widescreen monitors. Unless you watch movies on your computer (which I don't) I don't see the point. Most of the work I do is page layout, and the typical pages I work on have a vertical orientation, so going to a widescreen monitor is a step in the wrong direction. But go shopping for a monitor today, and it's impossible to find 4:3. Surely there must be other people like me who prefer standard to widescreen in a computer monitor.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

sbjornda (199447) | about 5 years ago | (#29653245)

Most of the work I do is page layout, and the typical pages I work on have a vertical orientation

Sounds like you would benefit from a dual monitor setup with one of the monitors in portrait orientation. This is surprisingly easy to do nowadays, and not expensive. Apologies if I've stated the obvious.


Re:And how far we have not come (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#29653319)

Not everybody likes bioshockvision.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

sconeu (64226) | about 5 years ago | (#29653861)

I had that at my last job. The portrait monitor was great for web browsing and document writing. The landscape monitor did email, VxWorks, and Visual Studio.

Two-page spread (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#29653329)

Most of the work I do is page layout, and the typical pages I work on have a vertical orientation

A two-page spread is wide. Try making two windows in your web browser, control-clicking them in the Windows taskbar so that they're both selected, and choosing one of the Tile options. Do this on a 1920x1200 pixel monitor, and it's almost like having two 1024x1280 portrait monitors.

Re:And how far we have not come (2, Insightful)

Jesus_666 (702802) | about 5 years ago | (#29653359)

I simply got rid of the notion that applications have to run fullscreen. Granted, you end up with the browser taking up 75% of the screen but at least those 25% can be used for background apps you want to monitor.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

traycerb (728174) | about 5 years ago | (#29653955)

To help with the window management required to do this (and if you run windows), look into the freeware app Gridmove. You can divide up your screen real estate into many different chunks, and have all sorts of handy ways of resizing your windows.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

Shakrai (717556) | about 5 years ago | (#29653367)

Unless you watch movies on your computer (which I don't) I don't see the point.

Or work with spreadsheets/financial software. Movies aren't the only purpose of a widescreen monitor and your experiences do not represent everybody else who uses a PC.

But go shopping for a monitor today, and it's impossible to find 4:3.

Yeah, it's as hard as going to Newegg, clicking on 'monitors', clicking on 'advanced search' and setting 'widescreen' to 'no'. I can see why you haven't been able to find any 4:3 monitors. Maybe [] a [] few [] links [] will help you?

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

Yoozer (1055188) | about 5 years ago | (#29654003)

Unless you watch movies on your computer (which I don't) I don't see the point

Photoshop, Illustrator. The tools palettes are wide enough to take up that extra piece of widescreen so you have 4:3 for the page you're working on. Music sequencers have a similar strip; either for browsing files or plugins. The extra width means you won't lose overview of what's happening in the tracks themselves. 3D applications; again, these have an object properties list that takes up a slab of the screen.

Need more points? ;)

Yeah, but you are getting older (2, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | about 5 years ago | (#29653685)

pretty soon you'll be cranking that 24" down to 800X600 and loving it!

Get off of my lawn!

Re:And how far we have not come (2, Informative)

imsabbel (611519) | about 5 years ago | (#29653773)

Funny Fact: none of those was actually able to display that resolution. Scanning, yes. But the pitch of the dot/grill mask was not sufficient.
-> "build in" antialiasing/blur filtering.

The "real" resolution of those monitors was usually at least 30% lower than the maximum supported one. everything above just pushed beyond nyquist and make your black lines gray.

Re:And how far we have not come (5, Insightful)

icegreentea (974342) | about 5 years ago | (#29652935)

Yeah. But that's the price you pay for having monitors that use half the energy, and use a tenth of the space.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

alexfeig (1030762) | about 5 years ago | (#29653035)

Really? I'm not all that hot on using a microscope just to see my cursor...

Re:And how far we have not come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653121)

Which is why we use scalable graphics in modern computing. Thus you get a cursor of the same physical dimensions, but with MORE PIXELS!!! Woo hoo, smooth cursors.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

setirw (854029) | about 5 years ago | (#29653137)

Two words: resolution independence, something most operating systems have supported for quite some time. (Even Windows 95 was reasonably res-independent.)

I like running high resolutions on smaller displays because everything looks sharper, not because I'd like more viewing area (and consequently, a minuscule UI, as you rightly pointed out.)

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

izomiac (815208) | about 5 years ago | (#29653291)

And that is why magnification and resolution are two separate terms. Magnification relates to the physical size at which things appear. Resolution is the amount of detail. Unfortunately, many programs assume that one pixel is around a certain physical size, rather than use DPI settings and SVG for widgets. For that reason, it's difficult to find LCD screens that differ much in pixel size.

Re:And how far we have not come (3, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 5 years ago | (#29653867)

Really? I'm not all that hot on using a microscope just to see my cursor...

Bah. Lazy young whippersnappers. In my day the displays were fluorescent orange on black, and the cursor was only one pixel in size. You didn't hear us complaining about the size of the cursor - we were just glad to have one at all, after the cursor shortages brought on by the war! You kids and your lah-dee-dah arrow cursors and 16 million colors don't know what you've got!

Re:And how far we have not come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653149)

Computer displays are the same way. Twelve years ago I had a vertical resolution of 1200px in a 21" monitor. Today on a 24" monitor, that's still the best sold in any store. It's sickening. Get off my lawn you punks!

Today's monitors display at the correct resolution, with higher contrast ratios and better sharpness... Just sayin'

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | about 5 years ago | (#29653195)

It's sickening.

Yeah, but if you stop trying to focus on those tiny, flickering CRT pixels for a while, the queasiness will pass.

Re:And how far we have not come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653219)

But that 21" monitor was likely 4:3 and around 1600 horizontal.
That 24" now monitor is likely 1920x1200 (16:10 ratio). Plus you have some 24" with a pivot(and video cards that can be set to rotate output) so they go 1200x1920 (10:16).

My thought on the whole 4:3 vs 16:9 thing, I got a 40" 16:9 and when watching 4:3 stuff it is only about the same(vertical height) as a 33" 4:3.
(Math: H = SQRT(Diag^2/(1+((Aspect)^(-2)))), V=SQRT(Diag^2-H^2)=SQRT(Diag^2/(1+((Aspect)^(2)))). Add a space between the first "(" and sqrt if you drop it into Google calculator. I've checked against the (40")screen and it is fairly close (calculated H=34.86, V=19.61 using a diag = 40 and aspect = (16/9). When I measure is is about 35x20 or so which I blame on the person(me) measuring ))
Just my thoughts and not much relevant to anything

And then the 30" monitors at 2560x1600.(The Apple Cinema HD Display is the first that comes to mind, although Dell and others have also had them)

Then there is this: (Slashdot [] article about the Viewsonic version in 2002), the IBM T221 [] which was a 200 DPI 22" at 3840 x 2400, was using 2 single link DVI connections for 24-25 Hz refresh. Add a third link for 48 Hz. (At least that's how I read it.) Think of it as 4 1920x1200 monitors(2x2) in a 22" space. (Seems to have been lots of $ however, and I don't think you would ever see them in any normal consumer store)

widescreen (1)

1800maxim (702377) | about 5 years ago | (#29653567)

That's because your old 21" monitor had an aspect ratio of 4:3, and the new ones have an aspect ration of 16:10 or 16:9. Widescreen 21" monitor will always be shorter in height compared to a regular monitor.

Re:widescreen (1)

NaCh0 (6124) | about 5 years ago | (#29653999)

Fuck the aspect ratio. I want higher pixels per inch.

Re:And how far we have not come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653659)

Sounds to me like you want yourself a T221 [] oh GOD yes. They are still around, if you can afford to lose $5k on eBay.

Re:And how far we have not come (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 5 years ago | (#29654019)

Speak for yourself. I have two (also old) 21" Eizo FlexScans (I think they are from 2000) which can do 2048*1536. So I have a total of 4096*1536. Do you know what I payed? 200€!

Now those CRTs did cost 2500€ (converted price, ignored loss of value for simplicity) when they were new. For that price I would get twenty-five displays. With a total resolution of 10240*7680 !!

That is a bit more than those 1200px, isn't it? :)

Of course if you want those fancy TFTs, with their annoying problem to be able to see the single pixels, the bad color space for anything below the most expensive ones, and their inability to display more than one resolution... while still costing a arm and a leg for resolutions of 10240*7680... then you have to pay the price. ^^

John Logie Baird was thinking of this too (2, Interesting)

AHuxley (892839) | about 5 years ago | (#29652955)

The Scottish engineer and inventor of the world's first working television system was talking of a 1000 lines too in the1940's.
Nothing new, just a young person thinking wow they could do that back then :)
The revolution was the sweat shops of Asia and quality control.
Digital HD was a rush, needing real skill. A duct tape effort ;) []

yeah, and we could all be "rich" too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653701)

Everyone left could be relatively rich if 90% of us would just die now. Slashdot Poll:

[] 1:10 chance of being rich vs dead.
[] 1:1 chance of leave things the way they are.

Thin CRT? (2, Interesting)

Danzigism (881294) | about 5 years ago | (#29652973)

As much as I love my 22" widescreen LCD monitor, I still miss the crisp, solid, and reliable CRT. This article is a prime example of why we have used CRT's for such a long time. But what I want to know is, why hasn't anyone mass produced a Thin CRT yet? I'm sure all of you remember the articles posted back in 2004 about Samsung developing a Thin CRT [] . What the hell happened and why did this idea fall through?

Re:Thin CRT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653027)

IIRC, (and I probably don't), the thin CRT idea used many electron guns.. either one for each pixel or( more likely) one for each small region of the screen. That translates to heat, energy consumption and more importantly higher cost.

That, and the development of OLED technology is probably what killed it.

Re:Thin CRT? (3, Interesting)

Miamicanes (730264) | about 5 years ago | (#29653083)

> But what I want to know is, why hasn't anyone mass produced a Thin CRT yet?

They've been prototyped -- 10 years ago, I was convinced that the future of television was the Field Emission Display (FED) after I saw a demo at CES. Absolutely *beautiful*. The best of all worlds. Bright, saturated, distortion-free, and viewable from angles just like a regular CRT.

Basically, coat a sheet of glass with colored phosphors, and put individually-addressable solid-state electron sources behind them. To light up a particular phosphor group, turn on the emitters behind it to make it glow. Unfortunately, the technology went nowhere. :( []

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 5 years ago | (#29653113)

> But what I want to know is, why hasn't anyone mass produced a Thin CRT yet?

They've been prototyped -- 10 years ago, I was convinced that the future of television was the Field Emission Display (FED) after I saw a demo at CES. Absolutely *beautiful*. The best of all worlds. Bright, saturated, distortion-free, and viewable from angles just like a regular CRT.

Basically, coat a sheet of glass with colored phosphors, and put individually-addressable solid-state electron sources behind them. To light up a particular phosphor group, turn on the emitters behind it to make it glow. Unfortunately, the technology went nowhere. :( []

Isn't that roughly how an OLED display is put together? If so, maybe you'll have cause to celebrate in the next couple years.

Re:Thin CRT? (2, Interesting)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about 5 years ago | (#29653575)

In OLED, the current is run directly into an organic light emitting diode. Whereas FED/SED had an electron gun pointed at each phosphor pixel (more or less). Still, I guess OLED is closer to FED/SED than an LCD.

Yet another production plant? (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 5 years ago | (#29653181)

LCD's can be used in LOTS of places, they are simple and reliable and known tech.

Your thin CRT would have a hard sell, they would be useless in laptops, be very heavy and offer what exactly as a benefit?

People want flat, setting up an entire production facility just for TV's and MAYBE computer screens that you will have to sell with "yes we know it is bloody thick and heavy but it looks much better, well, no, you probably can't see it in the brochure but trust us!".

People want flat. I don't think mosts desks could even hold anything but a thin LCD anymore.

Re:Yet another production plant? (1)

Khyber (864651) | about 5 years ago | (#29653625)

"Your thin CRT would have a hard sell, they would be useless in laptops, be very heavy and offer what exactly as a benefit?"

You barely thump most laptop LCD panels and the damned thing will break.

That extra quarter inch of glass won't break nearly as easily.

I'd prefer durability over lightweight and flimsy any day.

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

rcolbert (1631881) | about 5 years ago | (#29653213)

I still miss the crisp, solid, and reliable CRT.

Sorry to disagree, but boy am I glad we're in the age of the digital signal and flat panel display now. I agree that there are future flat display technologies that might make things even better (i.e. OLED). My memories of CRT's while fading fast, are not quite so favorable.

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 5 years ago | (#29653259)

YOu're the only one.

Crisp, reliable CRT = big bux.

Crisp, reliable(ish) LCD = cheap.

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

TerranFury (726743) | about 5 years ago | (#29653853)

Plasmas are pretty close to CRTs technologically. Instead of energizing phosphors by shooting electrons at them, they make electric arcs jump through gas in tiny glass cells, which releases a bunch of UV which strikes the phosphors and energizes them. This process is easy to miniaturize but pretty inefficient, hence the perceptible heat radiated by one of these things. But that's beside the point; visually the result should be about the same. So maybe "thin CRTs" are plasma TVs -- just minus the "C" and the "R", and with the one big "T" replaced by millions of individual cells.

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

TerranFury (726743) | about 5 years ago | (#29653941)

...and, I hadn't been keeping up with this, but a quick google turns up "SED" and "FED" technologies which are even closer to CRTs and which will probably be rolled out eventually (just type these terms into Wikipedia if interested). Though with LED TVs already hitting stores I wonder if they'll offer any substantive advantages.

Re:Thin CRT? (1)

klui (457783) | about 5 years ago | (#29654015)

My back doesn't miss CRTs' lead-filled tubes. I'm pretty sure my desk doesn't either.

What they really need is a... (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29652981)

...high-definition server, because the regular one is kaputs.

The video on the site is garbage... (1)

joocemann (1273720) | about 5 years ago | (#29653077)

They never show it in use or any actual video being displayed on it.

Buffoons! For all I know (being the internet) its just an old TV! SHOW ME THE MONEY!

I'm gonna go play uncharted 2...

Clarification please... (1)

Tynin (634655) | about 5 years ago | (#29653087)

So 57 years ago France was already broadcasting 441 lines. I was under the impression, that in the USA, today, that 480 lines were being broadcast and sold as the low end of HD. And that we continue to use 320 line for regular cable / satellite / OTA broadcasts. I could be off a lot in my understanding and was looking for clarification. It just seems amazing that France would have been for all intents and purposes be broadcasting 57 years ago what we American's are being sold as HD TV today (considering how overly compressed current broadcasts are, 441 vs 480 seems like it should be negligible). So, since these seems pretty impossible to me, please point out my flawed understanding. Thanks!

Re:Clarification please... (1)

Rantastic (583764) | about 5 years ago | (#29653145)

Not all digital over-the-air broadcasts are HD. For example, the 480p you mention. It is digital but it is not HD.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

rcolbert (1631881) | about 5 years ago | (#29653279)

To my knowledge there isn't a 480p broadcast format. I believe that the choices in North America are 480i, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. Again, this is broadcast. Some sets may support other resolutions for non-broadcast material.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

Glendale2x (210533) | about 5 years ago | (#29653851)

There's 480p. Fox tried that as their standard (they called it widscreen enhanced or something) for a while before getting a clue and going with HD like everyone else. A lot of cheaper-than-HD "enhanced definition" TV's were on the market that were 480p.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

Velox_SwiftFox (57902) | about 5 years ago | (#29653225)

Actually the 441-line system was a Nazi-developed format, exported to occupied France.
Propaganda evidently required a better format than the crappy 180-line system they used for the 1936 Olympics.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

kbdd (823155) | about 5 years ago | (#29653421)

Actually the 441-line system was a Nazi-developed format, exported to occupied France.

Where did you get that from? I believe you are mistaken. The 819 line standard appeared a full 4 years after the end of the war. Germany never had an 819 line TV system. It was developed in France specifically to be incompatible with other systems used in Europe.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

Velox_SwiftFox (57902) | about 5 years ago | (#29653607)

Re:Clarification please... (1)

kbdd (823155) | about 5 years ago | (#29653673)

Thank you for the link. That predates me :) I am getting old, but not that old...

This was a 441 line system, not much in common with the 819 line system developed by Barthelemy in 1949. France never had a 441 line system of its own, aside from the one operated by the Germans during the occupation, as indicated in the link.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

Velox_SwiftFox (57902) | about 5 years ago | (#29653743)

Not disputed by me. I was simply noting the origin of the 441 line system mentioned in the parent link.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

rcolbert (1631881) | about 5 years ago | (#29653241)

in the USA, today, that 480 lines were being broadcast and sold as the low end of HD.

480 lines of resolution is the NTSC standard for what is now called standard definition TV. The marketing of it has used the term 'digital TV', but never has HD been applied to a 480 signal. And absolutely, 'digital TV' as a term goes is probably the most deceptive advertising in recent history. 'Digital TV' when rebroadcasting NTSC 480 programming in most cases is extremely compressed and looks like utter garbage. For a while, many cable operators had both analog and digital NTSC transmission, and you could always easily tell when you left analog the analog range(approx channels 2-70) and ventured into 'digital TV' (approx 70-900).

Re:Clarification please... (1)

westlake (615356) | about 5 years ago | (#29653305)

It just seems amazing that France would have been for all intents and purposes be broadcasting 57 years ago what we American's are being sold as HD TV today

It might sound a little less amazing if you asked how many channels were available.

Re:Clarification please... (1)

kbdd (823155) | about 5 years ago | (#29653361)

This was B&W only, and used about 10 MHz of spectrum

It *did* catch on (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29653253)

Before the deployment of color, B&W TV in France was broadcast in 819 lines.
The French always had their own (superior) TV standard.
When they did deploy color TV, it was the SECAM system, which used
625 lines (like PAL), but had a much better system for color encoding
(though the TV sets were more expensive initially).

In low-def YouTube? (1)

Wag (102501) | about 5 years ago | (#29653317) hurts my eyes...and my brain...

not uncommon at all (1)

kbdd (823155) | about 5 years ago | (#29653353)

The 819 lines was the standard in France for B&W television, and only gave way when color came about. The standard for color televisions was 625 lines. I am not that old, but 819 lines is what I watched on television while I was a kid.

Easy in B/W. Harder in color. (4, Informative)

Animats (122034) | about 5 years ago | (#29653439)

It's not that hard to do high-definition monochrome TV. You just need to crank up the horizontal sweep rate and use higher-bandwidth amplifiers. Color, though, requires more holes in the shadow mask or stripes on the screen, and the alignment tolerances are tighter.

France had 819-line monochrome broadcast TV in the 1950s. But with the transition to color around 1960, Europe went to a uniform 625 lines. Kind of sad, but making special color TV tubes for France just wasn't worth the trouble.

Re:Easy in B/W. Harder in color. (3, Insightful)

mirix (1649853) | about 5 years ago | (#29653493)

Well, it could have been worse. They could have gone with NTSC.

Re:Easy in B/W. Harder in color. (1)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | about 5 years ago | (#29653543)

Well, it could have been worse. They could have gone with NTSC.

They did even better: they used SECAM, outrageous accent and all!


Re:Easy in B/W. Harder in color. (1)

Mr. Roadkill (731328) | about 5 years ago | (#29653763)

They did even better: they used SECAM, outrageous accent and all!

Ah yes, the "System Engineered by a Committee of AMphibians".

Praise to Flaminio Bertoni (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | about 5 years ago | (#29654071)

There was me thinking the French actually delivered 3 iconic car designs, the Traction Avant, the DS and the 2CV. But I was wrong as it was an Italian that took care of these. And don't think Bugatti, which produced stunningly beautiful cars, had anything French about the design either.
That leaves the French exclusively with absolute design mingers. (That is, if design is the correct verb for the process they use to envision cars.) In itself that's an achievement.

Praise to Flaminio Bertoni.
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