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Most Mac Owners Also Own a Windows PC, But Not Vice Versa

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the I-was-gonna-tell-you-honest dept.

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Barence writes "More than eight out of ten Mac owners also own a PC, according to a new piece of research. The NPD survey found that 12% of US computer-owning households have a Mac. However, 85% of those also own a Windows PC, suggesting that the Mac/PC divide is nowhere near as clear cut as both Apple and Microsoft suggest. Mac owners are also far more likely to have multiple computers in the house. Two thirds of Mac owners have three or more computers in the home, while only 29% of PC owners have two or more PCs."

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814 comments

niggerdick (-1, Flamebait)

Reasoned Mind (1554009) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658651)

n/t

Re:niggerdick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658673)

you forgot to post anonymously, faggot.

Re:niggerdick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658719)

With the email address spam333333@gmail.com and a fresh userid, I don't think s/he forgot.

Here's why (1, Insightful)

abbynormal brain (1637419) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658681)

Because we (PC users) can't afford them! Lower the price already. Also: I wasn't raided with the "I'm better than you - look at my Mac" attitude - or a hippie, or drive a VW, or ... you get the picture.

Re:Here's why (0, Flamebait)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658945)

Instead of crying out loud that you can't afford it, you should start wondering WHY you can't afford it and start planning HOW you can afford it... Just a pass-by motivational thought

Re:Here's why (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659009)

what for? it's the same exact hardware. same exact intel laptop CPU's except for the Mac Pro. biggest difference is Mac's use nvidia chipsets instead of Intel due to the fact that nvidia has better integrated graphics. all the other parts are exactly the same and Mac's have used identical PC components like RAM and hard drives for decades

Re:Here's why (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659159)

what for? it's the same exact hardware. same exact intel laptop CPU's except for the Mac Pro. biggest difference is Mac's use nvidia chipsets instead of Intel due to the fact that nvidia has better integrated graphics. all the other parts are exactly the same and Mac's have used identical PC components like RAM and hard drives for decades

You forgot things little things like machined aluminum case, dual channel wireless cards. Better quality parts add up.

Re:Here's why (1)

LBt1st (709520) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659031)

...or just buy a PC.

Re:Here's why (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659037)

...should start wondering WHY you can't afford it...

Because I have better things to spend my money on. I can put together a system that satisfies all of my needs at dell.com or using computer chunks found at pricewatch.com for a small fraction of the price.

...start planning HOW you can afford it...

No. Let's go back to WHY.

Re:Here's why (1)

Kartoffel (30238) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659073)

Or start planning your life so that you understand whether you actually NEED it. Aspiration towards ghetto-fabulousness is not the greatest motivation.

Freeware has a lot to do with it (3, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659029)

there's an app to do most things on Mac, but its often commercial. There is a better scope of freeware on Windows (although OSS apps often exist on both platforms, Closed-source free apps are more numerous on Windows, and often a free app exists on Windows where only a pay-for app will serve on Mac)

Re:Here's why (1)

uberjack (1311219) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659103)

As someone who just couldn't bring himself to fork over the ridiculous sum necessary for a 32 GB iPod touch, I couldn't agree more. Decent Macs cost too much money for any casual/curious user to afford - for the price of a dumbed-down and underperforming Mac Mini, one can buy a decent Dell system powerful enough to run most modern games.

Re:Here's why (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659109)

True, I'd be more interested in knowing the number of Mac owners who also had PCs around the time of Mac OS 8 or System 7, long before you could pick up a $250 e-Machine.

Re:Here's why (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659123)

Actually, what I took from that article is that the people most likely to gripe about Macs probably don't own one, whereas the Mac users griping about Windows are mostly speaking from personal experience.

Re:Here's why (1, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659147)

I think you hit on something there. According to sources laid out here [wikipedia.org] The upper middle class (high 5 figure to well over $100,000 range) is about 15% of the population. Since Apple has about a 12% market share it could be extrapolated (hypothetically since we would need more empirical data to corroborate) that a good portion of that 12% are, in fact, upper middle class and thus are more likely to have the funds to spend on multiple computing devices. With the middle, lower middle, and working class making up the bulk of America it does indeed seem to support your suggestion that Apple lower it's prices to garner a larger piece of the demographic pie, as it were.

CALLING CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! (5, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658693)

Gee, I could have deduced that most PC users DON'T also have a Mac. How? Maybe the bloody marketshare? Appologies for the US-centric market data [i4u.com] , but I'm sure Apple is less than double-digit in the ROTW.

This is really a story in search of a topic, isn't it? :-)

Re:CALLING CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! (0, Offtopic)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658781)

Roger that. What next, is there going to be a captivating article about how most Republicans didn't vote for Obama or how more people will cell phones don't have land-lines than people without cell phones?

Re:CALLING CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! (5, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658799)

No kidding... even from the fanboy front, supporters can easily call out that this is just a natural progression of all the "switchers" out there.

After all, just because you buy a new computer (in this case a Mac), doesn't mean you simply toss out the old one. You give it to the kids, leave it loafing around the house for specific tasks you hadn't transferred to the Mac yet, keep it around for the occasional PC game you don;t want to get rid of, use it for backing up your Mac (e.g. you copy stuff from new laptop to the old desktop), etc.

...plus, I sincerely doubt that Apple gives a damn if users keep their old PC's around so long as they're buying new Macs.

Horribly misleading (3, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658697)

This is a survey about households, not individual owners, so the fact that most Macs exist in households that also have Windows machines is largely just an expected result of Microsoft's high market share. Even if one person in a household has a Mac, others are statistically like to have Windows machines because, statistically, most people have Windows machines.

Re:Horribly misleading (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658841)

While that is true, there's certainly people who like to have a second pc for other purposes too. If you have a mac, you probably get Windows for its apps and especially games. Most people who have Linux PC (either as a server or a desktop) probably have a Windows PC too because you can't really do everything with Linux. I have a Windows pc and a linux server. I would probably have a Windows pc too if I had only a mac.

You have a point with the household's share, but it certainly counts for individuals too, only a bit less.

Re:Horribly misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658901)

If you have a mac, you probably get Windows for its apps and especially games.

Yeah. Search spotlight for "Boot Camp".

Re:Horribly misleading (5, Funny)

Bob-taro (996889) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659137)

... because you can't really do everything with Linux.

(voices hush, piano stops playing)

Re:Horribly misleading (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658957)

I've been a Mac user for 8 years. There was a changeover time of about 3 years when I had both on my desk at home, for the legacy PC stuff. I still have a PC just in case, but it's packed away in a box in a cupboard. I don't need it any more, but it's there in case I ever did.

Presumably that would still count me as a Mac user who owns a PC too. Which makes it a pretty stupid stat, even if it were counting individuals and not households.

Re:Horribly misleading (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658965)

And in most households there is one person who actually owns those machines.

It says "owners", not "users".

If daddy bought you your Macintosh, then he owns it.

So yes, it's about marketshare, it's obvious, and there's no news here, but nothing is misleading.

Re:Horribly misleading (2, Interesting)

rm999 (775449) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658977)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

If we assume that 15% of people have a mac and the other 85% have a windows (I know, a terribly insulting assumption on Slashdot!), and that everyone's computer choice is independent of the other computers in their household, then statistically a 2 computer household with 1 mac will have an 85% chance of having at least one windows computer. A 3 computer household - almost 98%. Likewise, a 2 computer household with 1 windows computer is only 15% likely to have at least one mac.

The one thing all this does not explain is why mac households have more computers than windows households. Maybe younger, more techy people own macs (college students and 20 something geeks) than windows (grandmothers).

Re:Horribly misleading (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659007)

What, exactly, is misleading about that?

Do you think your statistical hand-waving means anything? You don't even know how many people are in the typical household, much less how many are financially independent. But never let reality get in the way of a good fanboy rationalization. (Mac owners tainted with sin! No! It can't be! That's impossible!)

Re:Horribly misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659173)

While you are completely correct.. just going by market share, the majority of Windows users are brainless idiots who probably think their operating system is Internet Explorer. I once saw a person insist he wasn't using WindowsXP he was using Vista.

Statistic (5, Funny)

Narpak (961733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658709)

86% of Slashdot readers shown to not care about random statistics. 14% of those said to absolutely not give a shit, with 25% just shrugging and moving on to other topics.

So the more computer savvy you are... (0, Flamebait)

jhfry (829244) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658713)

the more likely you are to have a Mac?

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658823)

the more likely you are to have Linux?

There fixed that for you.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658869)

the more likely to get fed up with the constant tweaking in Linux and move to a Mac.

There fixed that for you.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658975)

I haven't had to tweak anything for a while now. You do the same amount on Windows, it's just more tedious because you are learning something new.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659065)

You don't have to tweak. Just because the option is there doesn't mean you have to do it. I think people grow out of the desire to do it pretty quickly, but Linux still allows them to do whatever they needed it to do in the first place.

Oh, and you can tweak OS X too. You just have to download some 3rd party apps first for some of it.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659091)

Actually, the more money you have, the more likely you are to have a Mac.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (1, Interesting)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659117)

The more money you have to spend on a mac the more money you have to buy multiple computers? ~____~ Connection seemed obvious to me.

Or simply after getting a PC people are more likely to attempt a mac? Or mac users decide to try a windows box. I guess boot camp will be cutting into the mac->windows purchases as of late mind you. Since you can try the windows experience without a new computer.

Btw, Computer savvy people may use macs... But techies use windows or linux often both. Why would we spend extra money to have a closed source semi broken non configurable standard hating version of linux? Mostly windows/nix are more tweakable and have more tools/toys for us to use which makes them our targets. And mods, feel free to just read the first part of my post if you are a fanboi.

Re:So the more computer savvy you are... (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659205)

No.

Mac A - I don't know about computers but I like to use them.

Mac B - I know about computers, but I also like shiny, trendy things.

Windows A - I don't know about computers, but I know this one, and I need to use it.

Windows B - I know about computers, but not enough to waste my time with Linux.

Windows C - I know all about computers and I just keep this box around for games, guests, knowing how to troubleshoot for friends/family. All my other PCs run Linux.

Linux A - I am a NERD.

Linux B - I am a NERD, but sadly, I still keep a Windows box around.

Computer Savvy (expect some overlap)

Less - - - - - - - More
Mac Windows Linux

obvious (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658721)

Seriously, someone got PAID to find this out?

Re:obvious (1)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659207)

Seriously, someone got PAID to find this out?

Don't worry, I'm sure it was with money the government borrowed at interest from a bank which was bailed out by the government months before with money borrowed at interest from a different bank. That money was then giving to this person to produce nothing of use, instead of him working at a manufacturing job, which only exist at your local restaurant or shipping center.

This count dual-booting Macs? (5, Interesting)

neko the frog (94213) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658725)

Just sayin'

In related news... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658727)

Mac owners are also 85% more likely to take it in the ass than PC users (Linux users don't count since they don't get laid [istheshit.net] ).

Quite simple really (4, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658729)

I prefer to use a Mac, but I make lots of $$$ with Windows based software (which is s staple of my industry)

Re:Quite simple really (1)

Gerhardius (446265) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659041)

I have a variety of machines, mainly using a powerbook and a desktop PC. The PC is relegated to a few duties and the odd bit of work I can't do on the powerbook, the PC mostly gets used for racing & flight sims. Surveys like this one are pretty irrelevant and misleading: what you use depends a great deal on your relationship to technology. PCs are an easy decision for the bulk of consumers who simply see a less expensive way to get online.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658737)

So most people use computers to get things done and will use the right tool for the job? Amazing, I never would have guessed.

Makes perfect sense..... (1)

i_want_you_to_throw_ (559379) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658759)

I would guess that most people who own a Mac just got tired of dealing with all the issues of the WinTel dynasty.

Doesn't make sense to just throw them out though.... yet

So... (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658763)

People who have both a mac and a windows PC are more likely to have more then one PC?

Gosh, the shock! Can society survive this revelation? The pope is calling for calm, islamic jihadist are calling it a crime of the west. More at eleven, stay tuned!

Re:So... (2, Informative)

jhfry (829244) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658875)

Most research isn't done to discover something shocking... its so that someone can say with some certainty that X is true.

Sure this research tells us what we already knew... sure it's stupid that someone was paid to do the research... but even if you "knew" it before, assuming this study was done properly, you can now say you KNOW it for certain.

What this does though is throw the numbers out of wack. If Apple claims ~10% marketshare, and Windows claims ~90%, but there is overlap in most Apple households, you could say that ~15% of households have a Mac. This equates to greater mindshare as a Windows user can also be a Mac user.

Re:So... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658999)

That's not what they said. They said people who have a mac are likely to have multiple computers. In fact, 85% of them also have a Windows PC.

Yeah, but... (2, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658771)

How many Linux households have a token Windows box? There are good reasons to keep a Winders box around for the occasional piece of Windows only software (I use mine for video editing) but there isn't as much compelling Mac software. And you might buy a PC that already has Windows on it and it's a pretty popular gaming platform. So there are several paths to a token PC.

In video editing, the Mac app would probably be FCP. But a full price copy of FCP is over $1,000, plus you have pay through the wazzoo for the hardware. There are several Windows NLE's that rival FCP in features and undercut it in price. And, if you have a PC for any of the other reasons outlined above, that makes the Apple investment that much less attractive.

Re:Yeah, but... (3, Informative)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658935)

Apple sells something called Final Cut Express, which has most of the features of FCP but at a fraction of the price($200), it does non-linear editing, custom transitions etc.

Re:Yeah, but... (1)

jhfry (829244) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659027)

Any true followers of Linus would consider it a sin to allow such an evil as Microsoft Windows into their home, how dare you speak such filth... your Windows machine must be exercised immediately, let me if you need a High Priest of Linux to assist or some information about a 12 step program that can help.

Honestly though, I don't run a single Windows machine in my home... unless you count my work laptop that I only use to VPN into work. I made it a point to remove all Windows machines in an effort to force my family to adapt to Linux. 3 years later (wow has it been so long) and I haven't once missed Windows at home.

Re:Yeah, but... (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659141)

unless you count my work laptop that I only use to VPN into work.

That counts just as much as keeping a Windows machine around for gaming - "work" is an important reason why people who use other operating systems at home may keep a copy of Windows installed somewhere as well.

Re:Yeah, but... (1)

spitzak (4019) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659195)

I would think dual-boot machines with Windows would be much more common than a second Windows box. Dual-boot lets you reuse the peripherals.

Modern Apples are dual-boot as well but they don't come that way so that probably stops a lot of people who otherwise would want Windows for something. For somebody installing Linux the extra work to dual-boot with Windows is nil, there is a checkmark on the installer (this is assuming the machine already has Windows, which is true for 99% of them).

mac are over priced next to pc mac pro takes the c (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658777)

mac are over priced next to pc mac pro takes the cake at about $1000 more then a system with bigger HD, MUCH better VIDEO card, X2 the ram, and more room to add on.

not here! (0, Redundant)

mah! (121197) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658785)

several machines, but no Windows on any of them, thank you so very much.

I have both... (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658793)

...unfortunately. One of them has proven itself to be much cheaper to maintain (basically zero dollars), and with the ability to continue using it even after 10 years of age. I won't say which one, because I don't want to get flamed, but I bet you can guess.

Re:I have both... (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658893)

The Amiga?

Re:I have both... (1)

dword (735428) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658943)

Is it a Commodore 64?

Re:I have both... (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659053)

can you load SL on a year Mac? i can use a 10 year old PC as well with XP on it. i just can't do a lot of things that current PC's can do

Re:I have both... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659111)

I still use a clamshell iBook G3 as my laptop. Recently its battery failed (guess it didn't like the winter too much) so I might need an upgrade.

Apples and Oranges (1)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658795)

Two thirds of Mac owners have three or more computers in the home, while only 29% of PC owners have two or more PCs.

Re:Apples and Oranges (1)

cabjf (710106) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659149)

True, but if 85% of all Mac users also have at least a Windows machine, it can be assumed that at least 85% of all Mac users have more than one computer in the home. 85% compared to 29% is a very large gap (which is likely even larger if one includes households with two or more Macs or with a Mac and Linux mix).

Mac owners more computer literate? (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658797)

So mac owners own more computers and computers of various platforms? Logically this leads one to believe that Mac owners are more computer literate and proficient than the average Windows user. Of course i expect some to mark this as a troll.

Re:Mac owners more computer literate? (1)

rishistar (662278) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658931)

No all it implies is that Mac owners have more *money* than the average Windows user. Which we already know, because they own a Mac.

Re:Mac owners more computer literate? (1, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659059)

Thought there might be a smart ass remark like that but regardless, in this scenario, having to learn two different operating systems, the setups, configurations, etc, makes you more computer literate by default. The more you learn about different systems, you naturally become more computer literate. You can make snarky comments but you can't deny the facts. If I used merely a Windows machine compared to someone who used a windows machine and a mac vs someone who used Windows, mac and linux, it is pretty obvious that one leads to the other; more computer literate people generally use multiple systems and multiple systems lead to increased computer literacy.

Your logic fails. (4, Insightful)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659023)

So mac owners own more computers and computers of various platforms? Logically this leads one to believe that Mac owners are more computer literate and proficient than the average Windows user.

Actually, no, it doesn't. There is not enough information to come to that conclusion.
One could also conclude that Mac owners need Windows based PCs because the Macs don't do everything the owner needs.
Or, one could conclude that Mac owners own more computers because are more affluent and they can.
Or, one could conclude that Mac owners own Macs because they are more affluent and can.

Also, there is no indication of the number of PCs versus the number of Macs in multi-computer house-holds nor the age of the respective computers. If someone owns two new PCs and one only Mac, what does that say about the owner? What if one has one Mac for one of one's children, but everyone else uses Windows PCs?

There is not enough information provided to come to any conclusion other than what is stated in the write-up.

Re:Mac owners more computer literate? (1)

rainmaestro (996549) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659185)

That seems like a stretch. There's the old adage of "quantity versus quality". I would contend that a competent user with one properly kitted machine (be it a Mac or a PC) can accomplish far more than a fool with a dozen boxes. With virtual machines and multi-booting, a proficient user only *needs* one box for most scenarios. Now, if you're running something more complex at home, with multiple servers, NFS, etc, that's another story. The real mark of proficiency isn't how many machines they have, it is what they are doing with those machines (ie, are they a large family with 5/6 machines being used by the kids to play games?)

Duh! (1)

dougmwne (958276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658813)

Hmm, so affluent households that own an expensive, designer computer are likely to own multiple computers? Shocked I tell you!

Re:Duh! (1)

crmarvin42 (652893) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659061)

I'm a grad student and my wife is a music teacher. Between the two of us we make less than 40k/year, and we own 4 macs and no pc's. Neither of us are from affluent families, but we both feel that the cost benefit ratio for a mac is better than for the alternative in the long run.

Also, I can't speak for anyone else but 2 of my macs were bought used on eBay so the majority of the depreciation had already taken place

My setup (2, Interesting)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658825)

I wonder if my setup is typical as a long time Mac user? Primary machine is a Macbook Pro that I only boot into Windows whenever I want to play games. An old PPC G5 that still soldiers on connected to the TV in the bedroom, and then a couple of super cheap Hackintoshs for family use: a Dell Mini 9 and dual bootPC desktop, and then a bunch of old Mac laptops and desktops that have been given out to family members.

Going forward, it looks like that will be the template. One "real" Macintosh, a Macbook, for primary use and Hackintoshs and hand me down Macs for the rest of the family.

There's no "switching" going on (5, Insightful)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658829)

I never got people who were talking about using a Mac as "switching". Like you would suddenly not use the operating system you have been using for the past 20 years by buying a computer that runs something different.

I don't know a lot of people who are devoted to a single platform. Most people I know use one OS on their desktop, something else on their notebook, something else on their phone etc. So when someone buys a Mac, they just add that platform to the list of systems they were already using. There's no reason to stop using all of your other stuff because a Mac got into the house.

Re:There's no "switching" going on (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658953)

You forgot to drink the kool-aid!

Of course more than one computer! (2, Funny)

nortcele (186941) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658833)

Just like with firearms and a Polygamy Porter [wasatchbeers.com] beer... Why would you want only one computer?
When it breaks, how would you google how to fix it?

Re:Of course more than one computer! (1)

squallbsr (826163) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659075)

Thats right! How would you be able to Google for a fix to that broken Windows or Linux machine without a mac?

"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

sa1lnr (669048) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658843)

Can somebody remind what the difference in hardware there is between a Mac and a PC these days. Shiny white plastic boxes don't count. ;)

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

lordandmaker (960504) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658909)

Open Firmware.

As I understand it, It's the bit that means Windows doesn't run without help.

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658979)

It's the bit that means Windows doesn't run without help.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't help. We're asking for a difference between a Mac and a PC and you just told us how they're alike! ;)

I kid, I kid. :)

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

squallbsr (826163) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659097)

Its EFI since they went the route of Intel (btw Vista 64-bit supposedly has EFI support)...

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658927)

They make low-end PCs with all sorts of crappy hardware. They do not make low-end Macs.

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (3, Interesting)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658955)

None. It's just by controlling the hardware to a limited set of hardware, they can control the errors that they will have and build their SDK for a specific set of instructions. Windows on the other hand has to support a million different varieties of hardware setups with software and as a result can have stability issues across different setups. Windows could have the same stability of Mac if they built their own boxes too and geared the OS toward that specific hardware configuration.

Re:"Mac/PC divide"? (1)

bakawolf (1362361) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658959)

They're aluminum and glass, nowadays

So? (3, Informative)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658861)

These findings are pretty un-surprizing. Did anyone really think that computer owners could only own one computer at a time, or would typically own only one platform?

Mac owners tend to have a lot of money. They probably have an older PC or two laying, because they still work. Or, perhaps the Mac is older, and they bought a cheap new PC to run games and Windows applications. Newer Mac owners likely run OS X and Windows on the same hardware, if they run Windows at all. But if they have an older PC sitting around, they probably still have it and use it occasionally, or let other family members use it, etc.

The whole "fanboi only uses $platform" thing is probably overblown, with highly visible zealots who only use one platform being much more vocal and visible than those who work on both platforms.

999999 out of 1000000 Linux users also (1)

AbbeyRoad (198852) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658873)

When did anybody ever get the idea that this was any other way?

Here at work we have to use a Sun VirtualBox to run IE7 just to access
one web app that doesn't work on Fedora -
IBM Irrational @#$%*&g ClearQuest Web -
the worst GUI interface since the punch card reader.

-paul

Re:999999 out of 1000000 Linux users also (1)

arcade (16638) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658971)

I have a hard time believing I'm that unique. :)

Many, many machines running linux and bsd. Not a single windows computer, nor any mac.

Miss the games, but that's the only thing I've ever used windows computers for.

A Mac is a PC. (-1, Redundant)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658881)

While it was PowerPC-based, one could argue that a Mac is not a PC, with the new Intel-based Macs the difference is now none. Yes, there is a completely artificial difference; you are not allowed to run OS X on a non-Apple sold PC, but that's it. And even that is not quite so clear, since it's only an EULA that prevents you, and I am not quite sure those would necessarily stand to a legal probe.

Anyhow, a Mac is a PC sold by Apple. It is preinstalled with Mac OS X. It has the Apple logo.

I wonder (1)

rinoid (451982) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658883)

Did the survey consider that those households with a Mac might "own a PC" but really it's just BootCamp?
Wonder what the uptake for BootCamp is among the unwashed.

More to do with affluence (1)

Batzerto (543710) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658889)

It likely has more to do with affluence than anything else. If you can afford a Mac you can likely afford numerous computers. Less affluent computer owners will only buy one computer and a cheaper one at that.

They must mean 100%... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29658917)

Since every Mac is by definition, a personal computer. I have a couple of Apple Macs and several white-box PC's dotted around the house; none of which run Microsoft Windows.

It appears the researchers were asking the wrong question. The Guardians resident Mac-hater, Charlie Brooker put it best.

So perhaps the question the researchers should have asked is this:

Given a choice between fellating a syphilitic leper and using Microsoft Windows, what brand of mouthwash would you use?

So what they are really saying is.. (5, Funny)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 4 years ago | (#29658995)

that 85% of Mac owners "swing both ways." *runs and hides*

It's obvious (1)

sledd_1 (464094) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659051)

PCs provide vital business software that is important to people who buy computers.

Macs do not. They provide fun media and graphics software that are not essential.

This will continue to be the case until Apple turns itself into a business machine company (and it's not clear to me that they ever will).

All in One (1)

sixtuslab (1130675) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659067)

Thank god for VMWare + Inter Core Duo 64 which lets me run OSX 10.5.2 Leopard, Open SuSe, Open solaris and XP to name a few favorites. VMW itself runs on X64 Windows Server 2008 (got a legal copy =) the mac ui/performance is a bit jellycovered, though there always is the next tweaking objective.

Does VMWare count? (3, Informative)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659069)

I have only Mac hardware at home, but I do have VMWare Fusion for the extremely rare occasion I need a Windows machine.

I bootcamp'ed my Intel-based Macs on the thought that I would perhaps need to use the machine as a pure Windows box once in awhile, but that hasn't happened; I've been surprised to find that between what I can do on a website, or what Java can provide, or what developers have been good to provide both a Mac as well as Windows version, there's nothing so exclusive to Windows that I've needed to run Boot Camp. If anything, there's just a couple of programs I use for development written in Delphi of all things that are exclusive to Windows.

Macs aren't supported everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659089)

I prefer OSX and Linux to Windows. The biggest problem I encounter is when I need tech support from my ISP. They can't troubleshoot anything but Windows. So if my connection is down, they only have a Windows-related script that helps them diagnoses the problem. I've worked for several corporations and the only way to connect to work was using Windows and Cisco's VPN software. Cisco makes the software for Linux and OSX, but the network people at those corporations couldn't support it.

Yes, I have a Mac and a Windows PC. But the Windows PC isn't by choice.

I dissapoint.. (1)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659119)

I sure must be a disappointment for this statistic, as I have neither a Mac nor a Windows machine.

But than again, I'm a free software loving douchbag, so I guess I don't count.

only value in a Mac is if you want desktop UNIX (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659129)

the hardware is exactly the same except that Apple uses laptop components in everything except Mac Pro's. if you want the only usable desktop ^nix and OSS operating system out there, you get a Mac

My household is dual platform too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659161)

Ubuntu / OS X

Not really surprising. (2, Interesting)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659169)

I can't say that this is surprising at all. Most Windows people who bash Mac, do so out of ignorance. Most Mac people who bash Windows, do so out of direct personal experience with both. If I was surveyed, sure, I have a PC in the house. 3 or 4, probably. Haven't been on in years, but, by Crom, if I ever need a PII-450 running Windows 98, well, it probably still works. Also, as pointed out, any Intel Mac can run Windows, or Windows apps with Fusion or virtualbox or whatever, so the lines get fuzzy. I haven't used a Windows instance of my own (work laptop doesn't count, I think?) since the Windows 98 I bought back in the day. I love having a Unix box at home, that I don't have to fix. Got enough of 'em at work that I _do_ have to fix.

Macs run PCs (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659187)

I assume by "PCs" you mean Windows-compatible computers.

Can't all Intel Macs run Windows? It's been awhile since Apple made a Mac that wouldn't run Windows natively.

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29659201)

Most Homosexuals have been in a heterosexual relationship at least once, but not vice versa.

It doesn't go both ways (1)

danerthomas (1633403) | more than 4 years ago | (#29659209)

It isn't too much of a stretch to assume that most who choose to invest in and use computers from Apple also have some experience using Windows. The same cannot be said for those who only own or use Windows computers, but that rarely hinders Windows users from having and expressing opinions regarding Apple products.
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