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Chessboxing Storming the Athletic World

samzenpus posted about 5 years ago | from the like-toothpaste-and-OJ dept.

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samzenpus writes "Have you been craving an athletic competition that combines the raw physical energy of a chess match and the strategic acumen of boxing? Crave no more. Chessboxing is here. No really, Chessboxing. As the name suggests, Chessboxing combines rounds of chess alternating with rounds of boxing. If there is no winner after 11 rounds, the match is awarded to the fighter with the most points in the boxing ring. Dutch artist, Iepe Rubingh, created chessboxing in 2003. He says, 'I got the idea from a Serbian comic. It looked great. I wanted to see if it would work.'"

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Wait... (1)

cloudkiller (877302) | about 5 years ago | (#29722819)

This is real, right?

Chess boxing on Wikipedia (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#29722939)

Alternating rounds of chess and boxing is at least as real as WarioWare. See Wikipedia's article [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Chess boxing on Wikipedia (1)

cloudkiller (877302) | about 5 years ago | (#29732673)

I stopped using Wikipedia as a source for determining if something was real right after I used it to convince the world that WarioWare actually existed.

Re:Chess boxing on Wikipedia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29791057)

When I doubt something on Wikipedia, I check out the links at the end for verification.

In this case it is real enough to convince Time magazine [time.com] , so I'm willing to accept it.

Archon anyone (1)

boris111 (837756) | about 5 years ago | (#29732433)

Reminds me of a real world version of this [wikipedia.org] game I played in my youth.

Hmmm. (1)

jockeys (753885) | about 5 years ago | (#29738169)

Call me when they have UFC-Go and I'll be the biggest fan in the world.

Re:Hmmm. (1)

underqualified (1318035) | about 5 years ago | (#29739999)

shouldn't it be MMA-Go?

Re:Hmmm. (1)

jockeys (753885) | about 5 years ago | (#29762395)

fair enough.

Racing Chess (or Go) (1)

Michael Woodhams (112247) | about 5 years ago | (#29739987)

I had a similar idea a while ago. Play Go (or Chess or Shogi or similar) while running on a treadmill. As you run 'distance', your time available on the chess clock goes up. You can win either by winning the board game, or by sufficiently 'outrunning' your opponent (e.g. by having 30 minutes more to spare on your clock than they have.)

For the record: I put this idea in the public domain. (Not that anyone will notice.)

Re:Racing Chess (or Go) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29807993)

I sir am intrigued. Long distance running was my skill in high school - not shot for shot. You need a baseline though, like 6mph freezes the clock.

UFC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29748593)

Ultimate Fighting Checkers? Anyone?

Perens' theory of money vs. health (3, Funny)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 5 years ago | (#29760717)

You have achieved the proper balance of health and money when you can hold your breath for as long as it takes to make a dollar.

Re:Perens' theory of money vs. health (1)

pamar (538061) | about 5 years ago | (#29766941)

You have achieved the proper balance of health and money when you can hold your breath for as long as it takes to make a dollar.

Interesting. Based on average pay for your country? Or your own income/salary? Or what?

I.e. how do you define "it takes X seconds to make a dollar"?

Re:Perens' theory of money vs. health (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29771591)

Based on your own salary.

This is actually a good measurement. Say you're making X dollars per hour worked, and you can't hold your breath long enough to match one dollar -- chances are, you're sacrificing your health for your work and not getting enough money in return. The less money you're making, the healthier you need to try and become, because the poorer you are, the greater your risk of health issues fucking up your life forever.

Likewise, if you're rich as all get out, you don't need to worry about being healthy, since you've got lots of money to pay for doctors.

Re:Perens' theory of money vs. health (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29874909)

Is this really valid? Maybe my math is wrong, but according to a quick google search (see here, no guarantee on accuracy:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_the_average_person_hold_their_breath_under_water ), average amount of time a person can hold their breath is 30-40 seconds (I know you can practice and improve, but just your average slob without any practice). Let's give the average joe a bit of a bump and assume they can do it for a full 60 seconds and figure out how much they'd have to make to reach this goal.

(1 dollar/ 60 sec) * ( 60 sec/1 min) * ( 60 min / 1 hour) * (8 hours / 1 work day) * (22 work days / 1 month) * (12 months / 1 year) = ~ $126,720 / year

So did I screw up the math? I know this is a website for geeks, who, one might argue tend to make better salaries than average, but that's almost 3 times the average median US income for 2007 (see here: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/012528.html). I consider myself relatively fit (play several hours of very active tennis every week) and have a good salary (just under 100k) and I can't meet the 80-90 or so seconds it would take me to hold my breath until I earn a dollar, at least not on first try. And this is not even considering gross vs. net, which if we did net would require me to do 2 mins+, which I don't know if I could meet without significant training.

So I have to ask, is this really fair, or are /. users really that rich?

Re:Perens' theory of money vs. health (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29800739)

By how long it actually take YOU to make a dollar.

Re:Perens' theory of money vs. health (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#29854045)

That's a round-about way of saying that you think Bill Gates is way too healthy and should be constantly hyperventilating.

Headphones? (1)

Vintermann (400722) | about 5 years ago | (#29772183)

"The competitors also wear earplugs and headphones during the chess rounds to help with concentration. "

Maybe it would have been more aproppriate with Chess Wrestling.

Heard about this... (2, Interesting)

nathan s (719490) | about 5 years ago | (#29781999)

...it seems to me that anyone intelligent enough to be particularly interested in chess wouldn't be overly enthusiastic about the possibility of brain damage over time from being struck in the head repeatedly. Concussions aren't funny. I mean, I'd hate to lose a game of chess to some 400-lb gorilla who got in a few lucky shots, and if you did this with any serious enthusiasm, your game of chess would almost certainly degrade over time.;)

I train in martial arts, but I avoid schools where being struck in the head is seen as a core part of training (I think MMA is fairly idiotic for this reason), and I think go is a much more interesting game overall. Combine go with something like a triathlon and I might find the idea more appealing as a mind-and-matter competition.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

Hierarch (466609) | about 5 years ago | (#29798525)

There's plenty of precedent for it. Consider Max Euwe, who was the 5th World Champion of chess, and the amateur heavyweight boxing championship of Europe. (Although I don't think it was at the same time.) It may have contributed to his reputation as being one of the most sportsmanlike world champions — Max was always willing to wager his championship, while many other champions found plenty of excuses not to stake it.

Re:Heard about this... (2, Informative)

quatin (1589389) | about 5 years ago | (#29808097)

Concussions are your body's natural reaction to abnormal stresses to your brain. Heavy padding IE. Football, Boxing causes the hits to be just light enough for you not to get a concussion, but still enough to cause brain damage. This is why MMA has fewer deaths/brain cases (Hollyfield) than boxing or football. In MMA, if you suffer a strike to your head with force, you get a concussion and the competition is over. In a boxing match, because of the heavy gloves you remain conscious and continue to fight leading to literally hundreds of head blows in a single match. Same thing happens to football. How many times did Troy Aikman receive a concussion from a sack and then be out and playing in 3 minutes? Count the number of times linemen get full force tackles. That force gets transferred to the head, but because of all the padding and helmets, they remain conscious and still play.

Fact of the matter is MMA is one of the most safest full contact sports.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

abarrieris5eV (1659265) | about 5 years ago | (#29831791)

Fact of the matter is MMA is one of the most safest full contact sports.

True, but I don't think he was arguing for boxing or football. There are many schools of traditional martial arts that do not include any actual contact head blows. He was probably arguing in favor of say, aikido, judo, or even karate, and MMA was simply an easy example of a full contact martial art.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

quatin (1589389) | about 5 years ago | (#29834695)

Karate, tae kwon do and other traditional martial arts won't work in chessboxing. The idea of chess boxing, is you get emotional from a full contact fight and immediately go into a game where you dominate with logic and reason. You won't feel that with point sparring like in most traditional martial arts, especially one that does not allow head blows. I've done point sparring and I've done kick boxing. They are on two completely different levels when it comes to physical conditioning, strategy, control and coping with your emotions. The difference is you WILL get hurt in a boxing/mma match and every move has the risk of being countered with a knockout blow. Most traditional martial arts schools water that down to light contact, no head blows, and spar for points, which takes away all the risk involved with fighting. People who actually fight (boxing, mma, etc) for a living have to be mentally and physically tough, but it's not uncommon to see fighters cry after a match.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

zippyspringboard (1483595) | about 5 years ago | (#29843075)

Just thought would throw my two cents in as a boxer. Not all boxers beat the shit out of each other during every workout, and you don't have to to enjoy and learn the art. In fact even during legitimate hard sparring most guys pull the punches to the head. I've seen guys practicing for professional bouts (and winning them afterwards) who were still greatly limiting the power in their punches to the head. If you want to learn boxing you can do it safely. Wearing head gear, 16 oz gloves and only sparring with people you can trust minimizes the risk greatly, if not totally eliminating it. Most sparring while a legitimate physical contest, is not about getting a "knockout" blow. If you are going to actually box a match against a guy who does not want to loose, well yeah chances are you might take some hits you would rather not. And still with proper gear your risk is greatly minimized. 10 oz gloves and no headgear is a whole different kettle of fish... As far as avoiding martial arts "where being struck in the head is seen as a core part of training" Well a quick hit on the jaw or throat for that matter, is a good way to drop someone, or be dropped. It may not be the be all and end all of martial training, but it should be a very real concern.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | about 5 years ago | (#29854075)

As far as avoiding martial arts "where being struck in the head is seen as a core part of training" Well a quick hit on the jaw or throat for that matter, is a good way to drop someone, or be dropped. It may not be the be all and end all of martial training, but it should be a very real concern.

I think they were talking about where being hit was part of the training. Not training to strike and defend vulnerable areas, but actually getting punched.

Any martial arts class where I was expected to actually take punches to the throat as part of my training is a martial arts class I would walk right the fuck out of because that's just stupid dangerous. :)

But on the other hand, a class where even light head contact was verboten would be pretty unrealistic.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

zippyspringboard (1483595) | about 5 years ago | (#29861817)

Yeah I guess the part about the "throat" probably just muddied the water. I was suggesting that proficiency at defending and attacking the chin might cross over to defending/exploiting the throat. Likewise I would never participate in a class where taking a hit to the throat is expected :)

Re:Heard about this... (1)

neo (4625) | about 5 years ago | (#29846809)

MMA has much fewer concussions than boxing due to it's lighter weight gloves with allow for knock-outs faster and because many matches end by submission. Boxing matches can last for up to 15 rounds with fighters being repeatedly struck to the head. This repeated beating of the brain is much worse than the relatively small amount that happens in MMA.

Chess, on the other hand, makes you angry from repeated beatings by higher level players. The scars, while much less obvious, are none the less debilitating. I suggest playing Chess960 *(or Chess480) as the MMA equivalent to chess.

Re:Heard about this... (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about 5 years ago | (#29870597)

Actually the comics author he is referring to is Bilal. He proposed this sport as a particularly twisted show of values in a dystopian future and presented it in a grim light.

If body and brain weight class accounted for? (1)

dspkable (773450) | about 5 years ago | (#29797827)

I would love to play chess and I would like to box. I think making weight would always be the toughest part of training since sitting on your behind for chess makes it hard to lose water weight.

The Wu knew what was up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29826649)

The game of chess is like a sword fight.

You must think first before you move.

The Klitschkos would be champs in both sports (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29838223)

Chessboxing and real boxing. They are quite adept at playing chess.

"Serbian Comic" (1)

newsdee (629448) | about 5 years ago | (#29853525)

The comic in question is "Cold Equator" (Froid Equateur) from Enki BIlal. He's French comic book artist and filmmaker of Serbian origins.

At least in the World Chess Boxing organization website [wcbo.org] , they give proper credit to the guy (with photos and all).

The comic is very good too, part of the Nikopol trilogy. Check it out.

Wikipedia says he was born in Belgrade. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29879965)

God some people are anal.

Bilal was born with a Yugoslavian passport and Wiki says he was born in 1951 in Belgrade.
Guess what? Thats not France.

Yes, yes, I know he lives there and most likely is a citizen and honestly wouldnt care debating things like this but
  pinheads like you always think they are smarter than others because they know a bit of trivia.

The trivia I found trumps yours.

You can expound more on his current nationality but the definition was not wrong.

Its funny how people can never have been to the middle east but we have no problems always mentioning they are jewish (another mindless debate about religion vs nationality).

The great writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was exiled in 1974 and lived In VT for about two decades after that.
NEVER once have I heard him called the american writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Stop being anal about these things.

Noise? (1)

lewko (195646) | about 5 years ago | (#29855827)

Why were they wearing headphones during the chess?

Beer Pong soould be added to the decatholon (1)

deodiaus2 (980169) | about 5 years ago | (#29870009)

Well, why stop there. Maybe we can make it a decatholon event. We can add a game we played in college. Beer Pong. Like Ping-Pong, except you have to drink a sip of beer after each miss. We also use to have a Beer Mile Relay in HS track. It was patterned after the Three Mile Relay, but one carried a six pack of cheap beer, one can of which he had to drink before finishing his 1/2 mile segment, and pass the remaining containers to the next runner.
Please help me file out additional events, maybe make the pole vault more interesting by jumping over a razor wire fence.

First appeared in a french comics (1)

DavMz (1652411) | about 5 years ago | (#29871297)

Chessboxing first appeared in a french comics by Enki Bilal: Froid Equateur [wikipedia.org] , published in 1992. Bilal probably never thought some people would make it real.
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