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Next Nintendo Handheld To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the tegra-his-arms-wide dept.

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Vigile writes "When you sell over 100 million handheld gaming systems, everyone wants to be involved in your success; just ask Nintendo. As a company with many different obstacles in its path, NVIDIA could definitely use the boost in revenues that would come from partnering with a company like Nintendo on a handheld system, and it looks like the Tegra processor will make that happen. The NVIDIA Tegra processor is an SoC that runs a set of ARM cores, a GeForce-based graphics core and an HD video processor capable of 1080p output that would definitely give the current Nintendo DS/DSi systems a performance boost in line with the Sony PSP. The 'Nintendo TS,' as it has been dubbed, will apparently be ready for a late winter 2010 release and should put a spark in the mobile gaming market and give Nintendo's developers the power to bring higher quality games to the platform."

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Zelda! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29744585)

Hell yea next Zelda DS game in 1080p!

Re:Zelda! (2, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744669)

More likely two screens of 480x320 to 640x480, with 4xAA and decent filtering.

Unless they're dumping the dual-screen concept, but it's worked well so far.

Re:Zelda! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745333)

TS, not DS.
Three screens, woohoo!

But my only worry now is battery life.
Are we to expect to see the Nintendo logo then power off?
Are we to even SEE the logo? It'll be like turning it on, light flashes and off.
Damn you Nintendo~, DAMN YOU~

Re:Zelda! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29744925)

Nokia internet tablets have 800x480 resolution, which would be nice for games, as long as the screen isn't too small.

Re:Zelda! (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745023)

Hey, the next Zelda DS game is only a month away; much too soon for a system a year out! :P

TS? (4, Funny)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744615)

I'll wait for the screener.

But will it run Linux? (0)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744645)

...And will we be able to play SuperTux [lethargik.org] ?

Re:But will it run Linux? (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744695)

...And will we be able to play SuperTux [lethargik.org] ?

Not on the TS. Nintendo doesn't associate with amateurs or semiprofessionals. Seriously [warioworld.com] . If you want to run Linux on a gaming PDA, get a Pandora once it comes out.

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745089)

If it ever ends up coming out.

Re:But will it run Linux? (2, Interesting)

ak3ldama (554026) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745551)

If it ever ends up coming out.

Their status page [openpandora.org] looks pretty close. This thing actually sounds very cool, a sort of netbook (plus gaming hand held!) that a linux geek would be able to settle for. The type of thing that still works to lounge around in bed on a winter morning and just cruise the net. Thanks to gp for mentioning this as I had not heard of it, yet had considered getting the previous GP2X in the past. Does anyone have an idea of the cost of this thing?

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746309)

It's been "pretty close" for a year now...

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746407)

Oh and it costs $330.

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746645)

Its $330, and I believe there are still a few available from the first run due to cancellations. The status is pretty much up to date except the CE/FCC testing is scheduled for today. The case moulds are expected very soon (mid-October, delayed from late September due to Chinese holidays). Finally some exciting stuff for the people that have had their order in for a year! I really want one (that's why I follow it so closely), but can't justify the purchase just yet. Maybe the second batch in 2010.

Re:But will it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745281)

I run linux on my DS. It's not exactly awesome to use, but hey, it's for fun :) http://www.dslinux.org/

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745689)

I run linux on my DS

Only because the DS has no official firmware update mechanism. On the other hand, the Wii, the DSi, and (presumably) the TS can update their firmware to break homebrew. Firmware updates come on all new games.

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746147)

I run SuperTux (among other things) on my Wii. Although the latest firmware update does try to break homebrew (and fail, by the way), the updates have never been automatic or mandatory.

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

tixxit (1107127) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745813)

It hasn't been released yet? I almost put in for a pre-order over a year ago (with the anticipation that they would've been shipped within a month or 2). Definitely glad I didn't, or I would've been out a hunk of cash for nothing. What happened to the 4000 people who pre-ordered one?

Re:But will it run Linux? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745317)

Probably not. Currently the only supported OS for Tegra is Wince. If you want something else, you probably need an NDA to get the specs required for the drivers. If it is Linux, it will be locked-down like a TiVo so it's not particularly relevant that it's Linux, but most likely it will be something custom which provides minimal hardware abstraction and nothing else.

photo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29744649)

alleged picture of the new Nintendo TS here
http://www.nintendo-master.com/fichiers/N-1185275150.jpg [nintendo-master.com]

Re:photo (0)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745527)

Gawd that's ugly. Why not integrate the buttons into the main body. It seriously looks like a maxi pad. I hope this is just the rumor mill at work.

Re:photo (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745715)

Gawd that's ugly

I wish that I had mod points today so that I could punish you for misspelling a three letter word.

Re:photo (2, Informative)

surferx0 (1206364) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746055)

Gawd that's ugly. Why not integrate the buttons into the main body. It seriously looks like a maxi pad. I hope this is just the rumor mill at work.

While probably not a reliable concept picture of the new device, the reason for the buttons being separated from the screen body is because this is supposed to show us slide/twist design where the screen can be turned to portrait mode for DS games and then turned to landscape mode and slid upwards like a typical cell phone design for TS games.

Although for that design to work the buttons would have to be nearly flush to the device to not interfere with the sliding screen. While that's fine for the ABXY buttons, a flush D-pad would be kind of ridiculous. Again, probably not real.

Re:photo (1)

Archaemic (1546639) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745561)

Disregard the "Copyright Shogmaster 2007" and you still get a hoax that doesn't look believable.

Re:photo (2, Funny)

BigHungryJoe (737554) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746361)

are those wings on the sides for ultra-absorbency during "heavy flow" days?

That was fast (5, Funny)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744725)

Nvidia's getting out of the chipset market so fast they're actually releasing new products already.

Re:That was fast (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745337)

Uh, what? Tegra was announced over a year ago and has been shipping for a while in the Zune.

Re:That was fast (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745763)

Nvidia is, in fact, suspending development of further X86 chipsets(since AMD now includes ATI, and Intel is playing hardball with QPI), although they are continuing production of current ones. Tegra is a totally different product line.

Flashcards (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29744759)

Who cares, I'm waiting to pirate the games. Fuck you nintendo.

Re:Flashcards (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744923)

Who cares, I'm waiting to pirate the games. Fuck you nintendo.

me@slashdot > --gamemode
SLASHGAME: YOU ARE STANDING IN A FIELD
SLASHGAME: LOOK NORTH
SLASHGAME: YOU SEE AN ANONYMOUS COWARD
SLASHGAME: WALK NORTH
SLASHGAME: THE ANONYMOUS COWARD GREETS YOU BY SAYING "FUCK YOU NINTENDO"
SLASHGAME: INVENTORY
SLASHGAME: YOU HAVE 2 COOKIES
SLASHGAME: QUERY COOKIES
SLASHGAME: COOKIE #1 IS COOKIE WITH POWER OF SU
SLASHGAME: COOKIE #2 IS COOKIE OF APPLE POWER
SLASHGAME: DROP COOKIE WITH POWER OF SU
SLASHGAME: YOU DROP THE COOKIE WITH POWER OF SU
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD PICKS UP COOKIE WITH POWER OF SU
SLASHGAME: IN SOVIET UNION, COOKIE EATS ANONYMOUS COWARD
SLASHGAME: EXIT
me@slashdot >

Re:Flashcards (2, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745355)

Ok, very funny. Snorting embarrassingly funny.

But I have to know... it's killing me...

What does the cookie with the power of apple do?

Re:Flashcards (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745393)

Distorts reality

Re:Flashcards (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745581)

No offense, but lame response. I was hoping someone more clever than me (or perhaps just more sufficiently into their caffeine regimen for the day) could write a humorous response in the form of the original joke.

Well, seems like I'm disappointed, so I'll just have to do it myself:

me@slashdot > --gamemode
SLASHGAME: YOU ARE STANDING IN A FIELD
SLASHGAME: LOOK SOUTH
SLASHGAME: YOU SEE AN ANONYMOUS COWARD
SLASHGAME: WALK SOUTH
SLASHGAME: THE ANONYMOUS COWARD GREETS YOU BY SAYING "FUCK YOU NINTENDO"
SLASHGAME: INVENTORY
SLASHGAME: YOU HAVE 2 COOKIES
SLASHGAME: QUERY COOKIES
SLASHGAME: COOKIE #1 IS COOKIE WITH POWER OF SU
SLASHGAME: COOKIE #2 IS COOKIE OF APPLE POWER
SLASHGAME: DROP COOKIE OF APPLE POWER
SLASHGAME: YOU DROP THE COOKIE OF APPLE POWER
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD PICKS UP COOKIE OF APPLE POWER
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD GROWS AN IRONIC MULLET.
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD BUYS NEW SUNGLASSES FROM A STREET VENDOR.
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD BUYS VINTAGE DUDS FOR MORE THAN THE PRICE OF NEW DUDS, WHILE PRETENDING HE INHERITED THEM FROM A DEAD UNCLE. NO REALLY. I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN. THOUGH MAYBE HE JUST PRETENDS HE GOT THEM AT THE SALVATION ARMY.
SLASHGAME: ANONYMOUS COWARD EFFECTS AN AFFECTED ATTITUDE
SLASHGAME: HIPSTER ANONYMOUS COWARD GREETS YOU BY SAYING "FUCK MICROSOFT. I AM BETTER THAN YOU. ALL HAIL HE OF THE IMPECCABLE STYLE AND SAVAGE SAVVY, STEVE JOBS"
SLASHGAME: EXIT
me@slashdot >

There. I feel better now, in a slightly slimey sort of way. I just wish my humor gland was operating a little better these days. I'm just not feeling the creativity and cleverness anymore. And now I'm just blabbing to overcome the lameness filter.

Re:Flashcards (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29746303)

FUCK YOU NINTENDO
To the north you see a field.

Re:Flashcards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29746417)

Much offense, but that was as lame as hell.

Re:Flashcards (4, Funny)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745553)

75% of what a normal cookie does, at 2x the price!

BAZINGA!

I keed of course... I even posted this from my MacBook.

Re:Flashcards (1)

gbarules2999 (1440265) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745457)

Wizard needs food...badly! Can I have the other cookie?

Re:Flashcards (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745453)

What he said:

Who cares, I'm waiting to pirate the games. Fuck you nintendo.

What he meant to say:

I HATE YOU SO MUCH I'M GOING TO KEEP PLAYING YOUR SHITTY GAMES.

So when can we expect 1080p on the Wii? (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744813)

That's the *real* question. 1080p makes a bigger difference when hooked up to a big-screen TV than it will in a tiny hand-held.

Re:So when can we expect 1080p on the Wii? (1)

Necroloth (1512791) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744965)

and then how quick can the homebrewers get it to not only play dvd's but upscale it to 1080p :)

Never (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746211)

The Wii will never have 1080p; Nintendo will make you buy the next console for that.

Cell (2, Interesting)

mbrod (19122) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744821)

Would be nice if they also made this a GSM unlocked cell phone. So one could use it as a pre-pay cell phone as well.

Blades, motor (5, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745141)

It would be great if it came with a motor and hooked up to a set of blades, it would be really useful as a stick blender and possibly a desk fan. Just make sure you have the plastic blades hooked up for that mode.

Re:Cell (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745231)

Because EVERY mobile device needs to be a cell phone, PDA, Alarm Clock, web browser, video game console, computer, hooker, and able to play blackjack. Just add a kitchen sink and it will be the perfect handheld, where playing 1080p on a tiny screen will make you want to throw up in a kitchen sink, so just add one on it!

Re:Cell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745397)

I only have 4 pockets, and one of them is for my wallet and 2 of them is for my set of TI calculators. I can't fit both a handheld console and a phone in the remaining pocket! (I'm wearing my little sister's jeans)

Re:Cell (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745479)

Well then it looks like you need to get a holster for those calculators, so you can quick-draw them, bucco

Re:Cell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29746089)

I only have 4 pockets, and one of them is for my wallet and 2 of them is for my set of TI calculators. I can't fit both a handheld console and a phone in the remaining pocket! (I'm wearing my little sister's jeans)

You're lying. Women's clothing never has pockets, as evidenced by the fact that any time a woman needs to retrieve an item she carries with her she has to spend at least a minute fishing through her purse for it. I'm convinced that clothing that appears to have pockets, such as jeans must have superficial pockets that are sewn shut.

All of this follows from the First Law of Women's Clothing: All women's clothing must minimize the convenience and comfort of its wearer.

Re:Cell (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746201)

I've never met a hooker who didn't know at least the basics of blackjack.

Re:Cell (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746425)

Well, look at it this way. A cell phone, at its core, is very basic. A PDA is more complicated, but only really requires a stylus. A web browser requires very little besides a stylus. A phone just requires the camera components and a viewfinder of sorts. An MP3 player just requires a basic interface and a headphone jack. Combination devices such as the iPhone and Android phones have been very successful because each function is very basic.

No all-in-one device has ever successfully integrated games. You can argue til your blue in the face that the iPhone has, but it's a terrible platform for anything but point and click adventures, card games, and Monkey ball. The reason devices fail is that gaming is the single most complex task an all-in-one device needs to cover.

For me, if Nintendo made a phone version of the DS, I'd be all over it. I'd know gaming was adequately taken care of. The rest of the functions I might want are basic and simple to integrate and, in fact, the only one the DS hasn't already touched is the cell phone portion (and I believe there's hacked skype type programs you can use if you want to get nit picky).

I do agree, I hate it when extra functions are thrown onto a device just to say it can do more than one thing. I almost always prefer devices that do one thing and one thing perfectly; however, there's really no reason why a DS shouldn't be able to do any other funciton you'd want it to perfectly.

Re:Cell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745661)

I'd rather they just have a little expansion bay inside if they ever decide to upgrade it.
Why aren't people sticking with expansion bays? You can get a lot of money from them instead of wasting so much money on features people might not even want to use.

Take the DS as an example.
With a slight increase in the height of one of the cases, the whole width of the device could be split up in to slots which could be used for expansions.
In these slots, there could be:
wireless hardware
webcam hardware, a section could be left hanging out at the bottom
cellular hardware
memory expansion, the memory cards could be placed in the side of the card, then the card is slide inside and all is done.

I'd die for hardware designed like this.

Re:Cell (1)

Turken (139591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746267)

So, what you're saying is that you want Nintendo to buy out Bug Labs and repackage their modular hand-held device into a shiny new casing?

The thing is though, that your dream hardware is a nightmare for developers and publishers since having that many add-ons and expansions would severely fragment the user base. Then you're back to the whole chicken-and-egg dilemma that gaming consoles have faced for years. Who's going to make a game that uses add-on X, if there's no guarantee that a significant number of system users have that add-on, and why should users go out and buy said add-on if there aren't enough games to make it worthwhile?

Wondering about other specs (2, Insightful)

the_scoots (1595597) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744837)

I wonder if they'll "upgrade" it like the PSP so you can get to repurchase your older games through DLC?

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

Again (1351325) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745199)

I wonder if they'll "upgrade" it like the PSP so you can get to repurchase your older games through DLC?

I am guessing that they are watching people's reaction to Sony's decision to drop physical media and depending on the reaction, make their decision.

I don't think that Nintendo will go that route. Think of the Wii. They have old games for sale on the Virtual Console and they could have put Gamecube games on there too but instead they chose to fully* support old Gamecube games.

I am not sure if I want to give up physical media just yet. I would like to be able to bring all my games around with me without having to carry a bunch of cases. For me to switch completely to digital game distribution I would like the following

  1. Loan / borrow / trade games with friends
  2. Not be forced to rebuy all my games when I lose / break my gaming console
  3. The game should be cheaper because there is "no" shipping cost, no store taking their cut and no physical material being produced
  4. I want an instruction booklet dammit! I RTM and I don't care what anyone says but I want an instruction booklet. A digital one will do just fine.

Oh and profit too but I'm not sure how.

*fully meaning all games except PSO :(

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745825)

WiiWare breaks your demands 1 and 2 but satisfies 3 and 4. For example, Tetris for DS was $30, but Tetris for Wii is $12. WiiWare games are about the same size in megabytes (and presumably budget) as DS games, yet WiiWare is much cheaper to buy. And all downloaded Wii channels have an Operations Guide: press the home button at the game's title screen.

The big problem that I can see with the Nintendo Points stores is that unlike Apple's App Store, they're for day-job developers only, not part-time developers.

*fully meaning all games except PSO

Wii also dropped support for any game that relied on the Game Boy Player accessory, such as the entire library of games for Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance (minus GBA Video and a few tilt-sensor and camera games).

Re:Wondering about other specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745929)

Wrong on one point. You can still use the tilt games, you just have to tilt the whole 'Cube. Which is nice because you get the added effect of looking insane.

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745939)

  1. Loan / borrow / trade games with friends
  2. Not be forced to rebuy all my games when I lose / break my gaming console
  3. The game should be cheaper because there is "no" shipping cost, no store taking their cut and no physical material being produced
  4. I want an instruction booklet dammit! I RTM and I don't care what anyone says but I want an instruction booklet. A digital one will do just fine.

Unfortunately point #1 will not likely every happen with digital media due to the drawbacks for companies doing this.

However, point #2 is already here. Services like Steam allows you to download your games to new systems. There's some rules here and there and it suffers from the "all eggs in one basket" scenario, if Steam shuts down do you loose your media? Thought more companies with subscriptions and accounts, such as World of Warcraft, allow you to download the client directly from your account. It knows what client you should get based on your account activations.

Point #3 (and #4) is a bit of a misconception. It's true there's cost savings involved for the company. But when you spend $10 million on making a game, $60,000 on the box art and $0.02 per box carton doesn't really effect the price of the game. Likewise, shipping costs are insignificant to the cost of the final product.

And in the end, it's still about economics. The price is set to what people are willing to pay for (and the company is able to make a profit from). If people are still willing to pay $50-$60 for digital media, the company will sell it at that price. They will simply see better profit margins for it. And as you said, you still want a booklet, so it looks like they didn't really save any money on the box art anyways, since they're designing all the art, with-or-without a box, as part of game concepts and advertisements or digital booklets.

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746311)

1 - Never
2 - Maybe, if you call customer service and bitch.
3 - LOL
4 - You'll get a crappy web page or PDF with more health and safety warnings and "how to press the power button" information than actual game-relevant content.

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745623)

The manufacturing cost for the DS flash carts is undoubtedly much lower than UMD was... I'd assume that unless the market just falls in love with the PSPgo (It won't), Nintendo will play it safe and keep some form of physical media.

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746017)

ROM != flash.

Re:Wondering about other specs (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746197)

I stand corrected.

The street doesn't believe it (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744927)

On a day where most of the microchip stocks are up on good Intel earnings NVDA is down.

Re:The street doesn't believe it (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745657)

I hope this TS is real -- a true hardware upgrade is exactly what these portable systems need. The iPhone 3GS is a great deal more powerful than the PSPs and DS. I wonder how worried Sony is, considering their new PSP Go doesn't have any hardware capability upgrades (other than Bluetooth).

Open it, and make it a phone (2, Interesting)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29744995)

Portable game systems are now competing with cell phones. Nintendo needs to realize that for their next portable game system or it will be limited to elementary and middle school kids. Beyond that age, they want a PDA / cell phone.

Granted, there are some big limitations to a cell phone as a gaming platform. The DS and DSi are much cheaper than the iPhone or even the iPod touch, and they have better control inputs. But that may change with future phones, especially Android phones.

The next DS also needs to be open to developers. That is a huge market that Nintendo missed. I know kids who have hacked DS's because they not only get games, but they get a scheduler, dictionary, and Wikipedia. Had Nintendo sold basic PDA functionality then the DS would have widened it's market. It is amazing how big the homebrew community is. I doubt that the homebrew community will spend the effort to reverse-engineer the next Nintendo hand-held when they could buy a cheap, open cell phone for the same price.

We are really seeing hand-held device convergence. I know people who don't carry a watch any longer because they have a cell phone. Nintendo needs to widen their thinking.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (4, Insightful)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745101)

Right, because nobody over the age of 12 owns a DS...

Wait, no. That's not right. I have one, and so does my: Mother, father, sister, both nephews... That's just off the top of my head, and only people actually related to me by blood. My youngest niece owns one, too, but she's actually under 12, so...

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746585)

I didn't say that, or anything like it. You put words in my mouth then argued against them. It would be silly of me to say that since I am 33 and I own a Nintendo DS and I write software for it. [mobydisk.com] I have one because my immediate circle of friends own them.

What I said is that the next generation of devices won't appeal to the older crowd unless they have PDA capabilities.

I used to know a dozen 30-somethings with DSs -- every one had a mod chip. That was about 3 years ago. Now, at least half of those same people have iPhones, and don't touch their DSs. I'm predicting that this trend will continue.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (4, Insightful)

richy freeway (623503) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745135)

I doubt that the homebrew community will spend the effort to reverse-engineer the next Nintendo hand-held when they could buy a cheap, open cell phone for the same price.

I think you're REALLY underestimating the homebrew communities. They'll hack it just because they can.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

Connie_Lingus (317691) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745351)

+1 Absolutely Correct

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746635)

I am part of that homebrew community. I get it. But you must understand the level of effort that goes into it, and the reward.

Hacking the DS was special because the hardware was great, and cheap: you could do 10 times as much with it as Nintendo was actually doing. That makes it really cool. But the DS is no longer unique. What takes considerable effort and reverse-engineering on the DS, can now be done trivially with modern devices.

You are right that somebody will hack it - probably just to be able to copy games, but it won't be the same since those developers can spend less effort for greater effect on another platform.

And if Nintendo opens the platform, the entire point becomes moot.

For the love of the FSM: NO CELL PHONE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745167)

UGH. Please, Nintendo... Please let your handheld gaming system be a handheld gaming system. Unlike most people, I have enjoyed my days without a cell phone. No GPS chip tracking my movements and no pesky little device designed to break in just a few years...... I've had my DS longer than any cell phone I've ever owned. If I wanted to a cell phone that played cartridge games or ROM's or anything for that matter, I would buy one. I am perfectly happy spending $129.99 on a portable system that I can carry into the courthouse, take on an airplane, play in a doctor's wating room, or generally use any place where cell phones are typically prohibited.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

nlawalker (804108) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745177)

Convergence is great, but if Nintendo turned their next portable game system into a phone, they would substantially reduce their potential market share by excluding all the people who already have a phone and don't want to switch to another one, or who just want the game system and don't want to pay for the phone components. Plus, Nintendo has proven that they can hold their own against giants from other industries who have attempted to move in on their space by sticking to what they know: games. Having to cooperate with mobile phone providers, subscription plans and the like is not in Nintendo's genes.

Many here may disagree with their stance on online/social gaming, their underpowered console as compared to their competitors, or their focus on expanding the market with ideas like motion control or promotion of casual gaming as opposed to catering to video game enthusiasts, but the last couple years of sales numbers have shown that Nintendo knows what they are doing and is perfectly comfortable continuing down that path.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

mrdoogee (1179081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745699)

Totally agree.

Also, exclusivity deals. Apple and AT&t, for instance. It wasn't Apple that wanted to be stuck with one carrier, but the US phone market more or less dictates it. I'd hate to have to miss out on Nintendo's newest handheld for 18 mos/3 years because they have a exclusive deal with Sprint, or Verizon, ect...

Keep the phone hardware off it.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (2, Interesting)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745513)

Nintendo needs to widen their thinking.

I think the DSi proves that they have already begun to do so. If any of the three big game companies (Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft) have proven that they can reach the casual/mainstream audience, it's Nintendo. All they really have left to do is cut out their idiotic fear of the internet.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745783)

Portable game systems are now competing with cell phones. Nintendo needs to realize that for their next portable game system or it will be limited to elementary and middle school kids. Beyond that age, they want a PDA / cell phone.

Uhh... no, we don't.

Not another phone bill (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745933)

Portable game systems are now competing with cell phones. Nintendo needs to realize that for their next portable game system or it will be limited to elementary and middle school kids. Beyond that age, they want a PDA / cell phone.

Cell phones have a monthly fee, and in the North American region, the kind of data transfer needed for Nintendo WFC play and TSWare downloads won't fit into a bargain-basement $10/mo prepaid plan. PDAs look better for this market, and Nintendo is slowly heading that way (see Opera for DSi), but a real PDA needs the breadth of applications developed by part-time developers, not just day-job developers. With Wii Menu 4.2 that deletes the Homebrew Channel,* Nintendo is showing that it wants to shun part-timers from its platforms.

I doubt that the homebrew community will spend the effort to reverse-engineer the next Nintendo hand-held when they could buy a cheap, open cell phone for the same price.

For one thing, a cell phone is another phone bill. For another, lots of places ban cell phones and don't trust people to put their devices in "flight mode".

* It's been worked around, but that's beside the point, which is Nintendo's intent.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29746107)

Portable game systems are now competing with cell phones. Nintendo needs to realize that for their next portable game system or it will be limited to elementary and middle school kids. Beyond that age, they want a PDA / cell phone.

Granted, there are some big limitations to a cell phone as a gaming platform. The DS and DSi are much cheaper than the iPhone or even the iPod touch, and they have better control inputs. But that may change with future phones, especially Android phones.

The next DS also needs to be open to developers. That is a huge market that Nintendo missed. I know kids who have hacked DS's because they not only get games, but they get a scheduler, dictionary, and Wikipedia. Had Nintendo sold basic PDA functionality then the DS would have widened it's market. It is amazing how big the homebrew community is. I doubt that the homebrew community will spend the effort to reverse-engineer the next Nintendo hand-held when they could buy a cheap, open cell phone for the same price.

We are really seeing hand-held device convergence. I know people who don't carry a watch any longer because they have a cell phone. Nintendo needs to widen their thinking.

Portable game systems are now competing with cell phones. Nintendo needs to realize that for their next portable game system or it will be limited to elementary and middle school kids. Beyond that age, they want a PDA / cell phone.

Granted, there are some big limitations to a cell phone as a gaming platform. The DS and DSi are much cheaper than the iPhone or even the iPod touch, and they have better control inputs. But that may change with future phones, especially Android phones.

The next DS also needs to be open to developers. That is a huge market that Nintendo missed. I know kids who have hacked DS's because they not only get games, but they get a scheduler, dictionary, and Wikipedia. Had Nintendo sold basic PDA functionality then the DS would have widened it's market. It is amazing how big the homebrew community is. I doubt that the homebrew community will spend the effort to reverse-engineer the next Nintendo hand-held when they could buy a cheap, open cell phone for the same price.

We are really seeing hand-held device convergence. I know people who don't carry a watch any longer because they have a cell phone. Nintendo needs to widen their thinking.

portable gaming units are not competing with phones. That is the same thing that was said with the computer and the consoles when the computer gaming industry took off....still waiting for that to come to fruition....hard core gamers are hardcore gamers. they will always want a platform that is specific to gaming and gaming alone. there will be some folks that move away from handhelds, but the industry doesn't have to worry about that being a major issue for quite some time. look at the figures before you judge the data.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746137)

Unless game compatable Cells come down I don't see it.
Nintendo has a great software and customer base.
Of course it is possible that if the carriers all select LTE and it is everywhere, and the carriers become dumb pipes, then we could see a new age of devices.
You buy your LTE account and then pick a device. Then pick a VOIP company and your set.
Imagine the devices we could see and the servies. Prices would fall and service would improve.
Just not going to happen.

Re:Open it, and make it a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29746253)

Please stop trying to turn everything into a cell phone. I don't want my game system to also be a cell phone. I don't want to have to upgrade my game system in order to upgrade my cell phone, or buy multiple cell phones because I want both a DS and a PSP.

And most importantly I don't want to have to pay a monthly bill to play video games.

To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset (5, Funny)

Eideteker (641508) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745047)

And, you know, batteries.

Re:To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746039)

You didn't read the spec sheet on the Tegra? It has a built in fusion reactor. You really should keep up with the times... ;)

Re:To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746363)

my initial thought was, this thing is either going run so hot that it'll melt the plastic casing/burst into flames..etc or if they manage to cool it well, it'll be like holding onto an old school game gear x 10 size wise.

Zune HD ports anyone? (1)

kantos (1314519) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745083)

With the same processor as the Zune HD, I wonder if anyone will port casual games from one to the other? I don't think they would port anything large but at least in theory it could happen....

Re:Zune HD ports anyone? (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745953)

I doubt it due to major differences in controls or other hardware.

Zune HD has the Tegra (2, Interesting)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745107)

The Zune HD has a Tegra too. NVIDIA wasn't gonna die until the Zune HD got discontinued or got a different chipset.

Re:Zune HD has the Tegra (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745415)

The Zune HD has a Tegra too. NVIDIA wasn't gonna die until the Zune HD got discontinued or got a different chipset.

MS could have stockpiled the chips, right? A one-off batch of a million chips in a warehouse somewhere would last them for, what, 30 years of Zune sales?

I keed, I keed. But seriously...

Re:Zune HD has the Tegra (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745909)

That's highly possible but they at least had to pay for them and if NVIDIA went out while products where still being made with their chips then those products would have their own futures questioned. The Zune has been iffy enough as it is to get the half a percent of market share it has now.

Re:Zune HD has the Tegra (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746221)

Yea I am sure that Zune sales will keep nVidia alive...
Actually the ZuneHD is a better media player than the iPod Touch.
The problem is that the Touch is a better platform than the ZuneHD.
The ZuneHD lacks an appliacation store and the software that is available for it really is nothing to write home about.
Too bad since the hardware is better than the iPodTouch.

Re:Zune HD has the Tegra (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746495)

Yea I am sure that Zune sales will keep nVidia alive...

Not alone but Microsoft might keep it alive enough.

Actually the ZuneHD is a better media player than the iPod Touch. The problem is that the Touch is a better platform than the ZuneHD.

I'll agree to that.

The ZuneHD lacks an appliacation store and the software that is available for it really is nothing to write home about.

None != Shitty. It has an app store it just sucks hard, and You can still get them installed the old way in Visual Studio with XNA too.

Too bad since the hardware is better than the iPodTouch.

So the next DS will (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745161)

have more graphics power than the current Wii?

Re:So the next DS will (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745743)

not too shocking.

The DS is about 1/6 the volume of Wii (if not more in first generation).

4 years provides approximately time to get chips to 1/4 their original size, and not needing any of the larger ports on the Wii could help.

What this means for Nintendo DSi owners (1)

strstr (539330) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745595)

So, Nintendo just released the Nintendo DSi and there hasn't been a single game designed to use it's hardware on the market, and Nintendo is already on the path to replace it next year. This might piss all the guys that bought DSi thinking it would be the next-generation Nintendo portable platform only to be as unsupported as the Sega CD or 32x. Developers won't like this either...

Re:What this means for Nintendo DSi owners (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746011)

So, Nintendo just released the Nintendo DSi and there hasn't been a single game designed to use it's hardware on the market

One of the cooking games for DS has DSi-specific features, and that's what hackers are using to break the DSi security.

Re:What this means for Nintendo DSi owners (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746085)

Indeed, IMHO one of the reason SEGA lost sales is the constant release of new consoles and the few titles that required them.

The DSi is only a few months old for the north american market, the Nintendo TS should be at least 2-3 years away.

Unless Nintendo are scared of Sony's PSP Go, for some strange reason...

Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745631)

I call BS. The DSi just came out not too long ago, people have barely had time to update or even see many custom titles, and you're talking about a new DS by the end of 2010? No way.

I think someone's spreading rumors trying to keep Nvidia's stock price up, considering what a slam in the news they've been taking lately as their company continues to crumble.

I'm not sure I'm happy (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#29745789)

The beauty of the Nintendo stuff up to now has been that the limited CPU+graphics power forced devs to focus on gameplay. I really hope eye candy won't distract them from making fun, as opposed to beautiful or over-graphic'ed, games.

Re:I'm not sure I'm happy (1)

default luser (529332) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746465)

I could certainly see some improvement with a larger, higher-resolution screen. The screen on the DS is so small that you can't make-out small details. This really killed my enjoyment of Professor Layton - style games, because the details needed to solve puzzles are often hidden in a single pixel.

To be honest, I really haven't been that satisfied with any of these "fun" games. My most recent disappointment: Scribblenauts. The game is captivating for about 2 hours, but then you get tired of it: the physics engine is clunky, and I'm constantly trying to anticipate what direction my objects or player character will go shooting off to when I touch the screen. The word engine is nice, initially - but it gets old fast because a lot of the objects are extremely limited in what you can do with them (e.g. you can only dig holes DOWN with a steam shovel. Apparently, digging through a wall is impossible. I was also disappointed when I couldn't entice a mole to dig through the ground, nor could I figure out how to get the drill to DRILL through anything. Also, when I tried to use the physics engine to my advantage, and try launching my player across the screen, I was constantly disappointed because he never got far off the ground).

So, you find what works, and continue to use the same objects, because the puzzles are all basically the same. And meanwhile, you get no bonus points because you've reached the edge of your creativity.

I've been disappointed with the DS game library overall. The only fun I've had is with remakes like Dragon Quest IV and Chrono Trigger - most of the "new" games are crapware or half-assed playtested releases with serious issues. If the games can at least look good, that would give me a little more immersive experience, despite the issues these games come with.

Higher quality games (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29745885)

Love how higher quality graphics means "higher quality games."

Wait, you mean... (2, Interesting)

default luser (529332) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746067)

For once I can play a 3D game on a Nintendo portable and not be limited to 2000 polygons in a scene, and not be limited to shitty point-sample for texture filtering?

Hurray, we can finally have REAL 3D games on the DS, instead of crappy-looking 2D/3D hybrids!

The power consumption is also quite reasonable (Zune HD can do 8.5 hours video playback, and that stresses the GPU core and OLED screen), so it sounds plausible for Nintendo to sign-on.

1080P on a portable machine screen (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746075)

Yes, the clarity may be there, but on such a small screen, is it really worth it?

The difference between 720P and 1080P on my 32" TV is insignificant, Imagine on a 5" screen...

Graphics and quality are largely unrelated. (4, Insightful)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746347)

"...and give Nintendo's developers the power to bring higher quality games to the platform."

Any developer that thinks the thing stopping them from delivering higher quality games is more powerful graphics hardware has no hope of delivering high quality games.

Rumors, damn it. RUMORS! (5, Informative)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746397)

Slashdot:
"Next Nintendo Handheld To Be Powered By NVIDIA's Tegra Chipset"

The Actual Article:
"NVIDIA Tegra rumored to be included in new Nintendo handheld"

RTFA and be a little less misleading, Slashdot.

Will it still have 2 screens? (1)

Zaphod-AVA (471116) | more than 4 years ago | (#29746595)

Will it still have two screens?

I've always hated the DS form factor. Two screens is terrible, I want one widescreen aspect ratio display. I like the hardware for the PSP Go, too bad they shot themselves in the foot about the card slot.

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