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First Look At Acer's 3D Laptop

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the but-what-about-time dept.

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Barence writes "Acer today revealed the world’s first 3D laptop, the Acer Aspire 5738PG, which will launch alongside Windows 7 on October 22. It uses a combination of software and specially coated glass on the 15.4in screen, along with a standard set of polarised glasses. Initial impressions were a bit iffy, and whether anyone actually needs a 3D laptop is another question entirely, but we'll find out this month."

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151 comments

Games (2, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747481)

I wonder whats the use for 3D laptop, and if this works better than the existing tech?

NVIDIA 3D Vision [nvidia.com] is great with some games, but laptops aren't usually used for that and you would probably want atleast 17" screen if you'd get it for gaming. So whats the use?

Re:Games (2, Interesting)

cesutherland (903698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748279)

Build it and they will come.

Just because we don't know what the uses are, doesn't mean it's useless.

Re:Games (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748521)

I think this kills Sony's shutter glasses for 3D TV. It appears I've been vindicated; when that FA was on slashdot I wondered why they would use shutter glasses instead of polarization (more $?), and was assured by many here that it was impossible or too hard.

Not "3d": *stereo* (4, Interesting)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749287)

A 3D display produces a 3D representation; that is, if you change your angle of view, what you see changes accordingly. Likewise, if the display is turned 180 degrees, you'd be looking at the back of the scene being displayed.

Stereo displays provide a fixed perspective generated by providing two single-angle images of a scene that are designed to replicate the angles your eyes would achieve from the (single, unchangeable) desired vantage point. Moving your head will not reveal other portions of the scene in any way, nor will moving the display.

Stereo image technologies can become 3D when they use the actual angle of view of your eyes and change the stereo angle appropriately. This requires far more interaction with your eyes and physical orientation, not to mention actual 3D media to display. A half-measure most of us are familiar with can be observed in a game like Mechwarrior (XBox), where you can change your angle on the scene by moving your mech's position or rotating its turret; here, we have the 3D media that is required, but we still don't have the eye and body tracking that would give you the sense that you're looking at something in full 3D.

There's a huge push right now to get the public to call stereo, "3D." As proper geeks, we should resist this strongly, not only as a matter of incorrect (highly exaggerated) terminology, but to make it clear that there is a long way to go yet before we actually get 3D displays, and that we're interested in getting them.

Quite aside from the issue that until or unless we're all normally wearing display capable contacts or something similar that conveniently and as a matter of course feeds us dual images, the entire "here, put these glasses on" approach is a sorry mess. No matter what technology the glasses use.

Correction (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749461)

I meant to say "MechAssault", rather than "MechWarrior." Sorry. Mechwarrior is a similar (for the purposes of my example) PC game.

Re:Games (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748863)

My first laptop, an NEC versa, was 3D. I mean, it had length, width, and depth. A REAL innovation would be a 2D laptop! Give me a foldable thin sheet with the power of an i7, with >4GB of RAM and 500GB of storage and THAT will be an innovation!

OK seriously though,. There are plenty of uses for 3D: 3D movies, gaming, architects' showing clients 3D models of their proposals, MRIs, "virtual" surgeries, etc. You'd want a 17" laptop for serious graphics work, but when/where portability is key, along with decent runtime (battery), a 15"-16" notebook is vastly superior.

*I* want a 17" notebook. My priority is ultimate performance with occasional portability (I also want a notebook for portability for diagnostics, etc.). I can't think of a single client who would want to lug around a 17" notebook; it'd be overkill for word processing, light CAD work, and so forth.

There needs to be a better solution though: it shouldn't be limited to wearing glasses all the time, sitting exactly on-axis with the screen, and so forth. It's better than the shutter glasses though, since it won't be limited to just one person.

Re:Games (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749447)

I wonder whats the use for 3D laptop, and if this works better than the existing tech?

NVIDIA 3D Vision [nvidia.com] is great with some games, but laptops aren't usually used for that and you would probably want atleast 17" screen if you'd get it for gaming. So whats the use?

In the last year I've worked on two different movies that were filmed stereoscopically. There were times where being able to play back a stereoscopic .mov would have been awesome.

Re:Games (1)

cjb-nc (887319) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749827)

Perhaps if it worked with your new FinePix REAL 3D W1 Digital Camera [shopfujifilm.com] it would be useful for sorting those photos. On the other hand, the FinePix is doing something with interlacing left and right eye views so I suspect it's using some sort of lenticular [wikipedia.org] screen rather than the cross-polarized stereo that Acer is touting.

Re:Games (2, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749893)

I wonder whatever happened to this, circa 2002:
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-978499.html [cnet.com]

No glasses required. I think some other big company did the same thing.

Why? (1, Insightful)

sitarlo (792966) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747611)

Acer = Crappy WalMart Computer
Stereoscopic 3D = Novelty Technology
Windows 7 = Vista++

I think I'll pass on this one.

3D = Novelty Technology? (2, Interesting)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747829)

I do 3D modelling, and I'd love to do it at the beach.

Otherwise, gaming in 3D would be fun.

Novelty technology? Okay, maybe for most folks at this time.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (2, Informative)

Bruiser80 (1179083) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747953)

Remember the warnings on those polarized glasses?

"Warning! Do not wear outside!" Dunno if it was for spatial awareness or if the polarizing messes with your eyes in higher sunlight.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29747995)

As opposed to all the polarized sunglasses that are out there.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (2, Informative)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748123)

Yes. Polarised sunglasses have the same polarisation on each lens. Presumably different levels of glare in each eye is going to be slightly disorienting. Although probably not enough as to need a warning.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748517)

Fetch yourself one of those cheap cardboard polarized stereoscopic 3D glasses, and wear them all day.

I can almost guarantee you that the constant shifting in brightness in odd cloudy patterns on any surfaces that happen to polarize the light (a door at a shallow angle, a piece of fruit, the entire sky when the sun is low-ish) will get to you real quick.

That's for linear polarizers, however.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (2, Funny)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749453)

Chainsaws also have "do not stop with genitals" warnings never underestimate litigious idiots.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748129)

Yeah because those polarizing filters photographers use shouldn't be used outside because of the damage they cause the eyes.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749459)

Remember the warnings on those polarized glasses?

"Warning! Do not wear outside!" Dunno if it was for spatial awareness or if the polarizing messes with your eyes in higher sunlight.

Most sunglasses have UV protection. 3D glasses have none.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (2, Informative)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749541)

Polarizing glasses look like sunglasses (they cut out ~50% of the light to each eye). Therefore, some people would have thought "cheap sunglasses". But darkening the visual light you can see, so that you can pick up more details/be more comfortable is only one purpose of sunglasses. A more important purpose is to protect your eyes from UV light, of which sunglasses block far more than 50%.

Hence the warning not to wear them outside.

Afterthought, wearing them outside would also cause your pupils to dialate somewhat (less visible light) rendering them more vulnerable to UV while making you feel less vulnerable.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1, Insightful)

cawpin (875453) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748251)

Remind me never to use your designs since you don't know the difference between a 3D model and 3D vision. When you're making a model, no matter what computer you're using, you're still looking at a 2D representation of it on screen.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748635)

merge 2 points of view with X values about 3 inches apart and then you would be looking at a 3d model (btw this is what you would need to do for the glasses to work)

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749007)

I did not realize 3d modeling was invented on and solely applies to 3d computer modeling software. Maybe all those clay and wooden models that have been around for hundreds of years are just 2d with a wierd "extra" dimension to them? I dunno.

Oh wait...

You do realize people still make 3d models of products and such, right? As good as computers are, it's hard to get a good feel for a 3d object when viewing it in 2d space. Products are often -designed- on computers, but they still make real-world mockups and models for a lot of things.

Now, I have no way of knowing if the GP was talking about 3d computer modeling, and if he was I understand even less how the post would fit with the subject (what does the computing power for 3d computer modeling have to do with 3d glasses?), but in either case you're wrong. Even in 3d computer modeling the only thing that makes it not "3d" is that it is represented in 2d via the computer screen - the data is often plugged into a machine that creates a 3d object, meaning all 3 dimensions really were there. In other words, you are working on 3d object, you just have limited vision into the 3d object you are working on. 3d modeling is modeling in 3 dimensions, else it isn't 3d modeling.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

cawpin (875453) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749143)

Yes, I'm sure he's going to be building a clay model, or maybe sand, at the beach.

I never said anything about the model not having all 3 dimensions. I said simply that you see a 2D representation. Your eyes are focused on a 2D display. With 3D display technology your eyes actually do change focal planes.

In both cases, I am not wrong.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749521)

Remind me never to use your designs since you don't know the difference between a 3D model and 3D vision. When you're making a model, no matter what computer you're using, you're still looking at a 2D representation of it on screen.

3D apps are starting to support stereo displays. He may already have a stereo LCD and can't leave the office with it.

We'd very much like to have 3d representations of our models.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (1)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749875)

I rarely do this sort of thing, but fuck damn why did someone mod you insightful? Do you have an alt account for karma whoring? The whole point is to see your 3D model in 3D, which you can trick your mind into thinking you are doing. It helps when modeling a 3D object to see the relationships in 3D, as opposed to on a 3D LCD/LED/CRT.

Oh screw it, nothing I can say will help. I'd draw you a picture but you'd probably nitpick that as well. Or if I flip you the bird you'd counter that a thumb isn't a finger, so there's no "middle finger" unless I chop one off.

Re:3D = Novelty Technology? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748963)

It is entirely a novelty thing.
There is absolutely no legitimate reason for anything to be in 3D.
And in saying that, technically it is never 3D anyway, it is stereoscopic 2D.

If you need 3D interaction with objects, you're better off getting VR goggles and a controller for interaction that has force feedback so you can feel the textures.

Re:Why? (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748225)

1) Acer machines are what they are which is solid affordable machines. I've never had an issue with an Acer laptop except of my own doing. 2) Stereoscopic 3D is a novelty, especially on a laptop. I can see the attraction in a high spec system but not in a laptop where 3D is generally underpowered to start with. 3) Windows 7 is Vista done right. It works, it works extremely well in fact and I see no reason to be upset about it.

Re:Why? (1)

ChefInnocent (667809) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748429)

I'll be honest and say I haven't used an Acer machine in the last 10 years. I won't go near one. 10 years ago they were just a piece of crap with proprietary cards, and it was difficult to get Win95 or Win98 to work on the thing because their proprietary cards needed special cards. I think I recall some proprietary keyboard socket too, but I can't find it in a Google search and that may have been a different manufacturer. Either way, I won't forgive them for the suffering they caused me in the 90's.

My only opinion on the 3D thing is that "we" should get it out there and try it. Many will fail, but eventually a good system may emerge. I'm not the early adopter I once was, so I'll see how others like it first.

And Windows 7 does seem okay, but I'm okay with Vista too. I'll use anything but a Mac, but again that's because of the suffering they caused me in the 90's.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748757)

Macs have changed a great deal since the nineties - it's like an old piece of crap that has been aquiring dirt over the years, which has been completely swept away and replaced with shiny.

Ooh, shiny.

P.S. Macs aren't really that shiny, its just the glass on the screen that's shiny.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749091)

I use and adore Acer machines, and they are good enough at assemblies and manufacturing to build Macs ;)

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749821)

10 years ago? A lot can happen in 10 years. Since then they have bought Gateway 2000 and there quality has improved. My friend has one of there newer PCs (Gateway P-6831FX) and it is surprisingly quite well built.

Re:Why? (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 4 years ago | (#29750009)

I've never had an issue with an Acer laptop except of my own doing.

I had someone bring me an Acer netbook where they hosed the whole hard drive. Didn't come with recovery disks and the recovery partition was dead, so, I ordered the recovery disks (on their tab). Turns out the disks they sent don't even work, but you don't known until after you spend the 3 hours copying all this stuff to the hard drive. (you'd think it was doing it bit-by-bit.)

They've taken quite a fall downhill, IMHO, after getting into bed with the likes of Gateway and eMachines.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749721)

I have been using an Acer Aspire 8930 laptop for a year now without any problems. In fact I would go as far to say that I haven't used a more stable and trouble-free laptop since my old Dell Latitude back in 2001.

3D laptop? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747615)

Aren't all laptops already in 3D?

(And before any pedants jump in to point out to me that, actually, all laptops are 3D – yes, I know.)

Oups, sorry.

Re:3D laptop? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747703)

I don't know, Apple is trying their damnedest make a laptop that you misplace between two sheets of paper.

Re:3D laptop? (3, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747921)

Their marketing department already has. The issue is getting the engineers on board.

Re:3D laptop? (3, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748173)

I have one. The stylus input device works quite well for drawing, but the UI sucks. There's not even a delete function. Battery life seems to be very good though.

Re:3D laptop? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748461)

I have one. The stylus input device works quite well for drawing, but the UI sucks. There's not even a delete function.

The erase function only works with Apple's special stylus that features a carbon-based tip. And *then* you have to fork out more for the "erase" tool itself.

What a load of lock-in crap.

Some people are even complaining that the carbon styluses appear to be wearing down after a relatively short time.

Re:3D laptop? (1)

Cerium (948827) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748663)

You know... for a second there I was thinking to myself "my last laptop had a stylus with an eraser and it didn't have any fancy carbon-based tip," and then it hit me.

Well played, sir.

Re:3D laptop? (1)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748345)

Brilliant! Apple will have the Flatland market cornered! Cornered I tell you!

Better Idea on a Desktop (2, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747655)

This would be a better idea for a desktop system since laptops are supposed to be portable. You'd have to be a pretty big nerd (even by Slashdot standards) to wear special 3D computing glasses in public.

Using 3D glasses in the privacy of your own home (on your desktop PC) makes far more sense.

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748211)

I have to wonder why wearing glasses makes you "a pretty big nerd".

Regardless, as soon as Apple comes out with a product that requires special glasses they will become cool, no matter how dorky the exact same glasses looked the day before the Apple product was introduced.

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748469)

But the Apple glasses won't look dorky - they'll look like not-quite-designer sunglasses, which is perfectly acceptable.

Then 2 weeks later, somebody finds this site...
http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/product.php?URL_=product_stereovis_inition_glasses&SubCatID_=3 [inition.co.uk] ...and will claim that the Inition's glasses look *just like* the Apple ones, despite being quite different, and accuse them of just copying Apple.

Of course 10 months later some Mac website uncovers some obscure magazine interview with some..somebody at Apple already discussing 3D displays and "Glasses that would look no different than sunglasses" and use it to justify the claim that everybody was just copying Apple ever since. /tongue-in-cheek

Anyway... most people thinking of 3D glasses are thinking of this:
http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/3D-glasses-404_675044c.jpg [insidesocal.com]

Rightly so, as that type (though not quite with the odd antennae-like things.. whatever those are), using polarization, is what is predominantly used in 3D theater shows right now (RealD, for example, though I believe the system I wore to watch The Final Destination 3D was a different brand).

But it only shows either...
A. their ignorance of the current state of 3D glasses
or
B. their belief that -any- glasses (even if you already wear glasses daily) suck.

A is unforgivable, B at least drives companies to further invest in autostereoscopic displays, so can't really complain; maybe some day they'll be as good as the glasses.

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748363)

... you don't have to RTFA, but could you at least look at the pictures?

The glasses just look like sunglasses. Yeah. Sorry, but there's no Power Glove nerd points for using this tech. I mean you could argue that it's kinda nerdy to be using tinted glasses with a laptop in public, inside, but by then I think you've got to admit it's pretty nerdy to be using a laptop in public.

glasses
http://photos.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/DSC01079.jpg [pcpro.co.uk]
powerglove
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/power_glove.jpg [productwiki.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYBzKFm-rd0 [youtube.com]

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

eric-x (1348097) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748535)

The glasses look pretty normal.

Your point about using it in the privacy of your own home makes more sense, it's just a matter of time before the emergence of 3d p0rn.

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748755)

Agreed; it would be great for watching 3D movies.

When do we get holographic displays?

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749533)

This would be a better idea for a desktop system since laptops are supposed to be portable. You'd have to be a pretty big nerd (even by Slashdot standards) to wear special 3D computing glasses in public.

Using 3D glasses in the privacy of your own home (on your desktop PC) makes far more sense.

Yeah because laptops are only used for taking to Starbucks to write your screenplay.

Re:Better Idea on a Desktop (1)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749921)

Most people aren't thinking about you, they are too busy wondering what you think about them.

To think otherwise shows an incredible ego, thinking that everyone's focus is on you, what you look like or are doing. Others might find your glasses amusing for a minute, but quickly move to another subject.

I'd use it and expect people to ask me about it, but they won't cos the glasses are like sunglasses.

If you already have to wear special glasses (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747671)

Why do you need a laptop? Put a CPU several times more powerful than iPhone in glasses themselves and use a webcam/microphone to let you "type" on any flat surface or give voice commands. Sounds like another case of trying to glue in a new technology without thinking how to integrate it.

Re:If you already have to wear special glasses (3, Funny)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747709)

And aim the cooling vents directly at the retinas!

Re:If you already have to wear special glasses (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29747721)

Why do you need a laptop? Put a CPU several times more powerful than iPhone in glasses themselves and use a webcam/microphone to let you "type" on any flat surface or give voice commands. Sounds like another case of trying to glue in a new technology without thinking how to integrate it.

You're right. Your solution really does sound like trying to glue in a technology without thinking how to integrate it.

Re:If you already have to wear special glasses (1)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747791)

Well, you have the right general idea, but we're a ways off on the glasses tech.

Indeed! (2, Insightful)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748019)

And have the Li-Ion battery to power all that in the form of a hat.
It will be great in the upcoming winter months. Not so great in the summer when it explodes and catches fire on top of your head.

Re:Indeed! (2, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748095)

And have the Li-Ion battery to power all that in the form of a hat.

No, a propeller on top of a beanie hat

Re:Indeed! (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748751)

What a peculiar idea. At least it would probably come in a neat box.

Sounds fine, but not for me. (2, Informative)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747689)

I'm on my third Acer laptop in 4 years (one for work, one for personal use, and a spare). I do not by any means consider myself an Acer fanboi -- they just keep coming up with the features I want at a good price point, and they seem to last a good long while (yes, I still sometimes use the one I bought in 2005).

This 'feature', however, is not likely to be among them. Might be cool for gamers and/or designers, though.

Re:Sounds fine, but not for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748323)

What you mean is that they create useless features and make you think you need them.

On a more positive note, imagine how many hot chicks will just swarm around something like this.

Re:Sounds fine, but not for me. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749507)

What you mean is that they create useless features and make you think you need them.

Um, no. No. And no.

Dual-core/64-bit/4GB RAM. I work for a company that produces database and related software, and my job requires a portable platform (even when I don't travel, I regularly work in either of 2 offices in neighbouring cities, as well as my home) for doing daily builds and testing of software intended for deployment in a distributed environment (I sometimes need to be able to run 2-4 VMs simultaneously) and on several different operating systems (Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, and Windows); lots of hi-volume XML authoring and processing (I'm part of a 4-person team that collectively maintains the equivalent of 15,000+ pages of documentation in DocBook, large chunks of which I need to be able to output in several different formats, on demand -- CPU, meet xsltproc); several different sorts of network communications in real time (I'm normally plugged into 2 VPNs, several shells on different servers, sometimes a VNC session or two, Skype, etc., etc. It all adds up).

A big, fat disk. All those BZR, SVN, and HG trees take up lots of room, not to mention all the VMs I spoke of earlier.

17" screen/full-size keyboard. My job requires lots of multi-tasking, as I document, test, and interact with developers, support staff, QA, etc., in an organisation that's distributed across 30-odd countries on 6 continents. I normally use 6 desktops, and even then I need lots of screen estate on each one. I write an average of the equivalent of 7-10 printed pages a day, and small keyboards are more difficult to use (for me, that is, YMMV) and make my hands tire much more easily. I also have to do lots of reading, and when you hit your 40s (already not having the world's sharpest eyesight), maybe you'll start appreciating the difference a large, really hi-res screen can make. It sure as hell ain't about eye candy. ... Well, okay, it *is* also nice for watching videos sometimes. But this is first and foremost a work machine, and I use it for just that, anywhere from 6 to 14 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.

Built-in (but separate) numeric keypad. Makes typing bug report and issue IDs, version strings, etc., and performing calculations heaps faster if you know how to use one.

Lots of USB ports and a card reader. Very helpful.

This is a work machine, and I keep it busy.

The next cheapest model that met my requirements cost about 1.5 times what this one did.

And like I said, this is my third Acer laptop. And its two older brothers still run fine and still see considerable use. All three of them have travelled all over the world, tossed around in backpacks, dropped on concrete floors by ham-handed airport security staff, etc.

It's a bit embarrassing, actually, but my experience is that Acer's laptops take a licking and keep on ticking.

The 3D thing is about as useful to me as the proverbial screen door on a submarine, but just because *I* don't find it useful, that doesn't mean that it might not be useful to somebody else. (For something other than the Oooh Shiny! factor, that is.)

Re:Sounds fine, but not for me. (1)

Mr. DOS (1276020) | more than 4 years ago | (#29750093)

It's a bit embarrassing, actually, but my experience is that Acer's laptops take a licking and keep on ticking.

That's funny, because my experience on the frontlines of consumer tech support has mostly taught me that Acer laptops in general take a licking, and then the casing breaks, and random components start dying, and then the motherboard fails, same as HP. Are these consumer- or business-class machines we're talking about, here? And are these perhaps not North American models?

      --- Samuel

Re:Sounds fine, but not for me. (1)

sgerdt (236148) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749873)

I also bought my aspire 3003NWLMi in 2005 and it is still my only computing device at home. It runs hot like an oven but hasn't burned itself yet with almost daily use since I bought it. And for gaming it's super, runs nethack vanilla super fast! I usually go to work while it compiles anything big, though..

Sami

tomax7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29747715)

...I can hardly wait for the holographic laptops like in the movie Paycheque.

Then I'd be impressed.

Oh BTW, Acer isn't the first with a 3D laptop.

Re:tomax7 (3, Funny)

Filip22012005 (852281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748045)

Ben Affleque suqued in that flique.

Re:tomax7 (1)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#29750053)

Everyone's a critique.

Re:tomax7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748099)

...I can hardly wait for the holographic laptops like in the movie Paycheque.

I searched IMDB for the movie "Paycheque" but it got no hits. Were you referring to the move Paycheck?

Re:tomax7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749561)

Hello there, I'm just curious about something: Have you ever kissed a girl?

Or do you enjoy being pedantic (and being 'right' to the point of being abusive *and* wrong) too much be bothered with them?

I'm betting on the latter.

Re:tomax7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749667)

Aww, do you need your nappy changed, little crybaby?

I'll be the first to say... (-1, Offtopic)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747973)

I need a 3D laptop.

Someone buy it for me.

Stupid Me, Here I Was Thinking... (0, Redundant)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29747979)

... That computers had been in 3D all along, and now it turns out that I have been using 2D computers all along and that only the Acer Aspire 5738PG is in 3D ! Go Figure....

Pointless and stupid (4, Interesting)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748043)

This is pointless and stupid : here's why.

First of all, 3d gaming requires some serious tinkering. It's still a very immature, rare technology that works best with better displays than you can fit into a laptop. Right now, the DLP HDTVs that support 3d are the best available display with the least amount of ghosting.

Second, rendering 2 viewpoints puts far more load on the GPU than rendering just one. You need the fastest available single GPU nvidia graphics card in order to play recent games. It has to be single GPU because so far nvidia drivers don't support 3d and SLI at the same time. It has to be nvidia because only nvidia currently offers 3d drivers. There's a way to get 3d on an ATI card but it's limited.

Gaming on a laptop is already a bad bargain, 3d gaming is even worse.

Without all that said : I think 3d gaming is freakin' awesome. I even built myself a custom planar display a couple years ago in order to play games in 3d.

Re:Pointless and stupid (4, Insightful)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748333)

Why do you think that gaming is the only possible use for this?

How about: Medical imaging, military imaging, warehouse inventory control visualization, education, biological research, chemistry, physics modelling, and etc.

Really, you just aren't even trying to be imaginative.

Re:Pointless and stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748691)

you forgot the most important: porn!

Re:Pointless and stupid (1)

Chameleon Man (1304729) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748711)

Those practicalities would be benefitial only if this was TRUE 3d. Because it's merely artificial 3d (moving your head around doesn't help you see behind the box) you are still limited by a 2d field of view. Until we get to the point of 3d projection, I'm taking this technology with a grain of salt.

Not Pointless nor stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748381)

It's still a very immature, rare technology...

And yet, without putting it into such things as this laptop, the technology will never hit the public, never become widely used, and therefor never mature and become common. It all has to start somewhere, and I would think that putting it in the most limited tool would serve all the more to emphasize how important it is that this tech be improved.

Why didn't anyone tell me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748481)

I'm into 3D gaming aswell... and I must say I'm getting quite good at it. Still it can be a bit confusing and my vertigo kicks in if my character jumps/falls etc.
You really feel like you're there, you know! It's amazing.

I don't know why no-one told me about this before (I only learned of it recently after reading about it in a magazine).
It's hard to believe that a virtual world like this can be computed with real-world accuracy. Well I'm just getting excited thinking about it, I'm off to play some more
Wolfenstein 3D (I know I shouldn't advertise *wink*).

-chao

Re:Pointless and stupid (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748901)

There have been 3D games out for years. Magic Carpet had red/blue 3D modes, and I think there were 3D builds of Descent as well. Those games date back to the days of DOS/Win98 in real mode.

Forget 3D (1)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748063)

But Im holding out for the first fully holographic laptop myself.

why would anyone need a 3d laptop? (2, Interesting)

trb (8509) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748067)

Ahem. [indiana.edu]

Re:why would anyone need a 3d laptop? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748191)

exactly! just think of the porn!
I think TFA even suggests as much:
and, um, I looked at a 3D photo.

But, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748081)

Does it run Linux?

Potentially interesting but needs more. (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748085)

Basic depth perception has its uses. Mainly this is for perceiving depth. But binocular vision is just one of the clues the brain uses. We get a certain amount of depth perception just from perspective.

Add head tracking. It would allow the user to look around 3D windows. Items could actually float within the screen (and even in front to an extent).

Everything is a Novelty at first. (1)

SOdhner (1619761) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748087)

With the big increase in 3D movies and the obvious potential for games, I think there's real promise here.

The problem (as always) is that until more is done with these laptops in mind it's just a novelty - and until it's no longer a novelty more won't be done for these laptops.

That means the question is which side will blink first. So long as the functionality is relatively cheap and is optional (nobody wants to be wearing the glasses all the time) I think it has a good chance of catching on.

Of course, I didn't read TFA (blocked from work) so I don't know what kind of price increase this brings or if they are partnered with anyone to make software.

Re:Everything is a Novelty at first. (1)

CyberK (1191465) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748385)

Your job blocks a PC magazine but not slashdot? As far as time spent/wasted goes, I would have thought this was the site to block.

World first 1D and 2D computer (1)

dvh.tosomja (1235032) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748105)

World's first 1D [wikimedia.org] and 2D [wikimedia.org] computer

Linux has had this for years. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748117)

It's called compiz. And no, you don't need "specially coated glasses".

Not the world's first--misleading summary (2, Informative)

bipbop (1144919) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748125)

The article links to the Sharp Actius RD3D [pcpro.co.uk] , a 5-year-old failed 3D laptop. But, the summary calls this new one the "world's first". I suppose the article submitter didn't RTFA, and neither did the poster?

Re:Not the world's first--misleading summary (1)

kegon (766647) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748497)

The article says that this is the first "mainstream" 3D laptop. In what sense was a laptop by a major electronics goods manufacturer not mainstream ? There was also a second Sharp model, the AL-3D [slashdot.org] . Aren't 2 generations of laptop enough to be considered out there ? Neither of the Sharp laptops needed glasses, they were autostereoscopic.

Re:Not the world's first--misleading summary (1)

bipbop (1144919) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748567)

Right. The article doesn't say anything wrong--it doesn't claim it's the world's first. The *summary* does. I was complaining about whoever wrote + posted the summary apparently not having read the article. The article is fine.

Re:Not the world's first--misleading summary (1)

kegon (766647) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749179)

Well actually, the article makes this claim that it was not mainstream "because it didn't catch on". So how does the author know that the Acer will catch on ? The Sharp laptops were marketed as general consumer products (hence they had XGA displays because it was thought gamers would be happy with that resolution). The article is also misleading.

Seems misleading... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748149)

I looked at the article, all the screen shots I saw still looked 2D. :P

Duh ! -- 3D porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748203)

Its inevitable -- porn will drive this technology just like so many computer innovations in the past.

First 3D? (1)

Tellarin (444097) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748543)

WTF!? Every laptop is 3D. Every tool we handle is 3D.

I really hate when people dumb down and say stuff like this. If you want to talk about a stereoscopic display call it what it is.

It's like the cyber this, virtual that....

And they even mention the "3D laptod" stupidity in the FA. Why do they insist in using the term? Aaaahhhh

ps: And the summary is wrong, this is not the first laptop to have a screen capable of 3D. Sharp had one before IIRC.

Re:First 3D? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749585)

WTF!? Every laptop is 3D. Every tool we handle is 3D.

I really hate when people dumb down and say stuff like this. If you want to talk about a stereoscopic display call it what it is.

Okay. It's a 3D display. Width, height, depth.

Spam, Porn, and Violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29748745)

Let's make the horror of the internet 3D enabled!

Never before have genuine imitation rolexes looked so bold!

Amaze your friends with 3-dimensional lesbian foursomes!

Watch that Fox News car chase, those bullets fly right through your screen!

My god! Is that Goatse?!?

Wolfenstein3D (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748781)

Compared with the average FPS of today, that game was basically 2D, was a flat map where everything (except the perspective to give a hint on how far or close were things) basically happened in a plane (i.e. you couldnt aim up or down, as far i remember). Was nice to see (compared with other games of that date) but didnt added the whole promise of something 3D.
Actual display technology, even the ones provided by this kind of laptops, fall into that category. Will be have to wait still several years to see "real" 3D in portable mainstream computers?

3D porn? (1)

dbet (1607261) | more than 4 years ago | (#29748927)

First thing that came to mind.

A non 3D laptop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749003)

I for one am pretty satisfied with my 2D laptop which I bought in flatland, along with my 2D wife and 2D kids.

3D laptop != a laptop with a 3D display option.

But it's not the first. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29749101)

Sharps' Actius RD3D was the first, back in 2004. http://www.pcworld.com/article/115348/sharps_3d_notebook.html

Acer is garbage (1)

Degro (989442) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749135)

Why all the Acer slashvertising lately? Acer produces the biggest piles of shit in the industry...

I want one (1)

strangeattraction (1058568) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749355)

I'm tired of 2D, 3D here I come. I'll be able to watch YouTube 3D and instead having a 2D desktop I'll be able to get a 3D one just like the real thing. I can't wait for the 3D porn. 3D will give the old "in out" an entirely new perspective. What a beautiful world it will be, what a glorious time to be free..

About time! (1)

Nerdposeur (910128) | more than 4 years ago | (#29749843)

I am so tired of laptops with zero height. I mean besides the lousy ergonomics, the screen is totally unusable.
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