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Michael Dell Says Windows 7 Will Make You Love PCs

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the most-improved-OS-award dept.

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ruphus13 writes "In a recent talk at the Churchill Club, Michael Dell addressed several topics, including the fact that Windows 7 is poised to take advantage of the upgrade cycle. Dell has always been a strong MS OEM ally and it is now hoping to cash in again from the impending upgrades. From the post: 'Dell made plain several times that he sees the installed base of technology as very old, and sees a coming "refresh cycle" for which he has high hopes. "The latest generation of chips from Intel is strong, particularly Nehalem," he said, adding, "and Windows 7 is on its way." (The operating system arrives Oct. 22nd, although Microsoft's large-volume licensees are already getting it.) He pointed out that many business are running Windows XP, which is eight years old. "I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now," he said, "and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement."'"

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Hmm... (5, Funny)

memphis.barbecue (1402253) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755379)

I can't put my finger on it, but loving my PC seems narcissistic somehow.

Yeah, right. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755393)

It is a well know fact that Michael Dell uses Ubuntu exclusively at home, and only trots out the pro-Windows stance when paid to by Microsoft, so none of this should be taken seriously. Not that anyone sensible would take anyone saying 'Windows is good!' seriously.

Re:Yeah, right. (4, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755491)

As various searches reveal that in 2007 he was using Ubuntu, the "long time now" must mean gosh, what, using Windows 7 a couple of years? Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "early release".

Seem disingenuous.

Dell needs a good quarter, folks. Those nasty guys on Wall Street will be all over them if they don't squeeze out a good quarter to make Dell look good against Acer. Or not.

And computer companies wonder why their credibility is so dubious.

Re:Yeah, right. (2, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755573)

Dell needs a good quarter, folks. Those nasty guys on Wall Street will be all over them if they don't squeeze out a good quarter to make Dell look good against Acer.

I've got of few of those neat Bicentennial quarters they made thirty years back. Would one of those do?

Re:Yeah, right. (4, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755659)

As various searches reveal that in 2007 he was using Ubuntu, the "long time now" must mean gosh, what, using Windows 7 a couple of years? Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "early release".

Seem disingenuous.

Dell needs a good quarter, folks. Those nasty guys on Wall Street will be all over them if they don't squeeze out a good quarter to make Dell look good against Acer. Or not.

And computer companies wonder why their credibility is so dubious.

Either way what Michael Dell says as the CEO of Dell doesn't reflect his personal opinion, just like any other CEO, or anybody working within management, your professional opinion can be in complete contrast to your personal opinion. What he's proposing (that everybody upgrade to Win7, and hopefully with that also buy new shiny Dell PCs) is something that will benefit his business, and he would be the worlds shittiest CEO if he didn't. So basically this means nothing other than the fact that Dell also wishes to make profit on Windows 7.
Also something noteworthy is that the life situation of Michael Dell, as a multibillionare, is very different from the vast majority; thus whatever Michael Dell chooses will most likely not reflect what's best for you as an average income consumer.
Even though the ape in us wants to try to mimic the decisions of the successful, it can sometimes be difficult to understand why mimicing isolated decisions is more likely to do you harm than good.

Re:Yeah, right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755731)

Dell should really just give up on computers and stick to selling crossword puzzles.

Re:Yeah, right. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755497)

Even if it was good, you wouldn't know it unless it was chucked up your...

Re:Hmm... (5, Funny)

operator_error (1363139) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755515)

Try moving your finger lower and a little bit to the left, and maybe somewhat faster? Oh wait, you said narcissistic. Oops, my bad; nevermind.

Re:Hmm... (0, Troll)

ThorofAsgard (1644263) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755585)

Will it make PC users act pretentious like the stereotypical Mac user/owner?

Re:Hmm... (3, Funny)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755861)

I agree, I prefer my love-interests to be NPC's too.

Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755383)

I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now, and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Full - Retail [newegg.com] : $299.99
Cheapest Nehalem Processor [newegg.com] : $279.99
(note, can't buy Office 2010 yet)
Latest Office 20xx [microsoft.com] : $399.95

Total: $979.93

So Michael Dell, the CEO of the company that is the largest dealer of PCs to businesses and individuals, suggests you opt for the extra grand in order to 'love your PC again.' You don't say. I would be shocked if anyone was willing to fork over more than $900 for an entire computer these days. How am I to differentiate this from any salesman saying, "Buy the most expensive one for the best experience."

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

chrisG23 (812077) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755395)

For that kind of money I might as well get a mac.

Re:Balance Sheet (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755623)

For that kind of money I might as well get a mac.

You'll still have to shell out $194.99 for office (current amazon.com price) to get a similar package and the next Office iteration is likely to be more expensive than Office 2008. The OS X 10.6 update will also set you back $25 (current amazon.com price). Of course that won't matter if you buy a Mac now since you'll get the latest OS with it. You may, however, want to upgrade in the future and the price you will have to you pay for OS X 10.7 will probably be significantly higher than the $25 you currently have to pay for 10.6 since the current price is likely to be a knee-jerk reaction to the recession.

Disclaimer: I'm a Mac user myself and Windows 7 still hasn't made me want to run out and buy a WinDell. I just thought I'd point this out in the interest of fairness.

Re:Balance Sheet (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755719)

I was wondering how many posts I would have to read before someone suggested a Mac. It didnt't take long.

If PCs are going to cost the same as a Mac, they will have a steep hill to climb. The Mac user experience is vastly different than XP and Vista. So much so, that people who switched are not going back to MS anytime soon. Without the cost advantage, Windows 7 will have to be on par with OS X. Not impossible for MS to do, but improving on XP and Vista is not even the downpayment on the level of improvement needed to compete with OS X.

Re:Balance Sheet (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755427)

Of course he'll say that, but your price comparison is unfair. A Dell package of oem software/hardware will certainly be cheaper than you are suggesting.

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

craagz (965952) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755471)

Mac is like a high maintenance mistress, Windows is like a pricey Girlfriend, Ubuntu is like a wife.

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755545)

Mac is like a really expensive whore; Windows is like a street walker who might not have had been tested for STDs recently, Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Funny)

cabjf (710106) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755629)

Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

But only other nerds really have a chance with her.

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

cloudkiller (877302) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755785)

Ubuntu is that nerdy chick who bought YOU a drink.

But only other nerds really have a chance with her.

Give here enough attention and anything is possible. And I mean anything.

Re:Balance Sheet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755897)

even anal?

Re:Balance Sheet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755739)

Mac is like your fiancee who is a successful ad executive and makes more money than you do. Windows is like your wife who is on the city council and is getting a spa make-over. Ubuntu is like a guy named Chester who comes to your house twice a year to spray for ants.

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755791)

Mac is like a high maintenance mistress...

Mac is like a really expensive whore;

Same thing.

Re:Balance Sheet (2, Funny)

intheshelter (906917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755901)

Correction, Windows is like a high maintenance girlfriend that is never happy no matter how much attention you lavish on her. Linux is like a girl who is a little fugly, but if you spend enormous amounts of time and effort on her she looks really good. Mac is your trophy wife with a PHD that doesn't require you to waste time "taking care of her", and she's ready to do anything you want all the time.

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755499)

For starters, you can get an i7 920 processor for $200 from certain stores. You can also get an i5 750 for even cheaper.

>I would be shocked if anyone was willing to fork over more than $900 for an entire computer these days.

Prepare to be shocked, I spent $2300 for my latest desktop 3 months ago which I built myself. The Core i7 LGA-1366 processors have also been fairly popular amongst enthusiasts since they were released.

Re:Balance Sheet (3, Informative)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755521)

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional [newegg.com] $139.99
Cheapest Nehalem Processor [newegg.com] : $199.99
Latest Office 20xx [newegg.com] : $119.99

Total : $459.97

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755643)

Those options are nice if you fulfill the requirements of the Office student license and the OEM System Builder License. I don't see how they are relevant generally -- if you are arguing that the licenses aren't important... well you could just get a cracked copy off bittorrent and say the total price is $199.

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755665)

and regardless if we are playing with the student pricing, you could get a Mac Mini for that much money and know that you will at least get 4-5 years out of it with using the latest OS. (case in point I am running snow leopard on a nearly 4 year old Macbook and see absolutely no reason to get a new machine any time in the next 2-3 years)

Re:Balance Sheet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755689)

Parent is right, why was he modded down?

Re:Balance Sheet (2, Interesting)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755821)

So long as you don't mind the lack of support from MS, there's no problem with those licences for the majority of people. It's not a "student" licence, it's "Home office and student", ie general household usage.

Re:Balance Sheet (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755819)

>Microsoft Windows 7 Professional [newegg.com] $139.99
>Cheapest Nehalem Processor [newegg.com]: $199.99
>Latest Office 20xx [newegg.com]: $119.99

>Total : $459.97

"Upgrade Kit" with box, motherboard, modest AMD64 Athlonx2 processor, blank hard disk and basic HD2400 ATI video card - $225.
Kubuntu 9.10 LiveCD with KDE 4.3, Firefox 3.5.3, OpenOffice 3.1.1, Amarok, VLC and a full suite of desktop applications: - $0.

Total: $225.

Far more functionality out of the box, no requirement to agree to any conditions, far better performance and half the price.

Later this year ... upgrade the kernel to 2.6.32 and get a 3D video driver. All the fancy desktop bling you could possibly want. Sweet.

Re:Balance Sheet (2, Insightful)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755553)

How am I to differentiate this from any salesman saying, "Buy the most expensive one for the best experience."

You can't. This is a complete shill-job by Mike Dell, and while I can't blame him and I'd do precisely the same thing in his place, this article is not news, it's advertising.

Do I detect the delectable odor of some potted meat product in a can? Why yes, yes I do.

Re:Balance Sheet (5, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755781)


The stupidity is that Windows 7 is actually looking quite good. And then they pull the sort of stupid marketing stunts that you'd only be driven to if it were crap, making them look desperate.

That said, good or not, Windows 7 is over-priced. Lots of people might want it, but they wont pay hundreds of dollars for it. About $60 - 70 and it would fly off the shelves. Most will not upgrade but just wait until they pick it up with a new PC (which could be a long time for us build-our-own types).

Re:Balance Sheet (3, Informative)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755561)

But you know, that (almost) nobody is buying this stuff at full boxed retail price. The OEM license for Dell will be around $50-70 for customers, the hardware is bought in big unit counts too, and gets appropriate discount, so the PC's will go somewhere between $600 - 1200 depending on some other factors like graphics, RAM and HDD models/capacities and branding.

Not many people MS Office boxed version. Most private people will pirate it (and Microsoft is actually more happy about it then if they would use alternatives like OOo). Many will also go legal and use OOo or get a copy from the company they are working for.

Businesses will go volume license, and the package of software / seat will also circle around $200 - $400.

That said, I'll still continue to use Ubuntu + OOo + other open source software. I also build my PC's myself, so I get the best fitting solution and opt out of the MS tax (and be it just because of the principle, though the financial aspect is also counting). Considering the current economic downturn (and the fallout that is following as we speak), more businesses are and will also go a more open source way, though not the majority and many only partially (i.e. Windows 7 + OOo).

One thing is true though, the Win 7 (re-branded Vista) will increase sales of PC's for a little time, especially since Christmas is approaching.

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

elashish14 (1302231) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755647)

Maybe in bed with Intel too. There's no reason why anyone would need a Nehalem chip (and if you did, you probably wouldn't be buying from Dell anyway) now that Intel has introduced Lynnfield with a much higher performance/$.

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755671)

You don't know what a balance sheet is do you?

Re:Balance Sheet (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755757)

I just got a Core 2 duo with a full machine, total cost came out to about $650, I installed the Ubuntu Karmic Alpha on it, and I love my PC again.

Re:Balance Sheet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755815)

I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now, and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement.

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional Full - Retail [newegg.com] : $299.99

Cheapest Nehalem Processor [newegg.com] : $279.99

(note, can't buy Office 2010 yet)

Latest Office 20xx [microsoft.com] : $399.95

Total: $979.93

You are astroturfing. No-one gets the normal retail version of Windows. Normal people get the SB-version, which will cost you around $192.00
for the Ultimate edition.
Office 2007 costs $294.99 on amazon.com

Makes $766 instead of $979. And as he's been using Windows 7 for a long time, he cannot have ment the latest Nehalem processors. More like core2duo or core2quad.

I personally doubt it (4, Funny)

mbone (558574) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755385)

All my Dell boxes run Linux.

Re:I personally doubt it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755407)

All my Dell boxes run Linux.

...but the question is, do you love your PCs? If not, Michael Dell wants your business!

Re:I personally doubt it (1)

1s44c (552956) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755483)

All my Dell boxes run Linux.

My thinkpad runs linux.
My HP servers run linux.
My home put together from parts system runs linux.

If dell want my business they are going to have to start making better hardware.

Not if you have a Vostro (3, Informative)

musicgreg (308564) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755401)

It seems if you run a Vostro (like me) Windows 7 might not be your friend if you want your touchpad and video card to work.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprohardware/thread/cf9bc301-e3c2-4c5b-b9cd-9eab8582f45f
Or maybe they will fix it in the next week, but I doubt it.

Re:Not if you have a Vostro (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755653)

Umm... Got a Vostro 1400, it runs Win7RC flawlessly, and the nice part? all the Dell drivers for webcam/nic/sdcard reader/wifi/touchpad etc. are all in Win7, so there's no downloading all these drivers from Dell like you had to do with XP and Vista... This laptop has Nvidia video, and it also works flawlessly.. I'm a big fan of Ubuntu, and also have it on this Vostro dual-boot, but I had less trouble getting Win7 installed on this machine than I did Ubuntu.... YMMV

What a news flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755403)

hmmm.. the figurehead of one of Windows' largest distributors, probably a company hurt the most by lagging sales of the last product, says that you should buy the new one because it's all better now. Conflict of interest, anyone?

Re:What a news flash (2, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755631)

> Conflict of interest, anyone?

More like identity of interest. He isn't "conflicted" about it at all.

Can somebody tell me why? (1)

gravyface (592485) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755415)

For a /. geek, what does Windows 7 have that's *really* useful/desired/cool vs. Windows XP? Not trolling, just haven't had the time to install it/play with it yet.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (2, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755461)

For a /. geek, what does Windows 7 have that's *really* useful/desired/cool vs. Windows XP? Not trolling, just haven't had the time to install it/play with it yet.

It's newer and less awful than vista. But it's still really NT with an updated interface and some new bits glued to the side.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755485)

It's newer and less awful than vista. But it's still really NT with an updated interface and some new bits glued to the side.

So pretty much the same as any other OS upgrade. Nothing special.

Honestly, I'm expecting Windows 7 to fall on its face the same way Vista did. I think over the past 15 years people have become tired of buying new computers and the upgrade cycle has slowed down.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (5, Funny)

Splab (574204) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755477)

It's just better.

I upgraded to windows 7 pro about a month ago (through MSDNAA) and I've even stopped using linux at home.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755539)

okay ... but how is it better?

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755657)

I've even stopped using linux at home.

LIAR!!

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755661)

It's just better.

Um, could you be a little more vague, sir?

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755667)

Heretic.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (2)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755505)

Depends on what kind of geek you are. Me personally, I don't usually care for much of the visuals in most OSs so I guess this most useful feature for me is the new taskbar. I cant say if the entire OS is worth the $200 or w/e they're charging but since I got mine for $30 in an edu discount deal type thing, it was worth it for me.

As a developer, I'm much more interested in some of the under teh hood changes and I'll probably get around to downloading the platform SDK once I have some free time and taking a peek.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755777)

Ah yes. The new taskbar lifted verbatim from KDE 3.5, yes?

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755509)

There's the DRM, the 35 gigabytes of wasted space, the large price-tag you must pay to Microsoft for the pleasure of having them tell you how you can use your computer. There's the increased system requirements, the lowered system performance.... uhm.... oh and there's a "7" in the name!

Just to name a few things of course. :)

Oh one last thing, there's the inevitable upgrade cycle that will mean in about 3-4 years they'll -tell- you how horribly bad Windows 7 is, and how much better 8 will be. While compounding all the previous bonuses!

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755513)

Honestly, for home? The power management is more customizable, the mac taskbar is nice, and it looks pretty. You also get Media Center functionality on Home Premium or Ultimate. Windows Installer is a little better too, it'll try and close out programs on install to minimize reboots.

When joined to a domain, I find it to be much better at handling folder redirection and offline files. Less strange happenings, and I have yet to run into a situation where 7 just refuses to take itself out of "offline mode" the way XP did... constantly.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

richy freeway (623503) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755635)

You get the Media Centre on Pro as well.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755567)

Well as a non m$ fanboy thats been using it, it is acceptible enough for me to migrate away from xp for a 64 bit capable os. IF and I stress if, the ligit release version offers a classic start menu as an option over the retarded "new" start menu it would constitute a down right good upgrade in my book, hell I'd even take a task bar on all monitors instead of just one. But in short its better than xp64. Most of the new fluf you really dont notice, aero is pretty nice tho, and theres a few little things that are a plesent surprise such as the easy maximize functionality they added in(drag to a corner) The absolute biggest problem I have with it is they seemed to go out of their way to remove perfectly functional and useful features for no reason at all. A good example of this is if you right click a task item on the task bar you get the various options such as restore move maximise ect, that is all gone now, instead all you get it pin to task bar and close. really friging annoying to me, also alot of hotkey support is gone, theres no longer the option to hit win key then s to bring up the shut down menu since that now does seach start menu for stuff starting with s.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755851)

Don't count on seeing a classic menu ever again. Microsoft has said "move on" to the folks who hated the slab. Of course, this being Windows and prone to actually ditching useful measures of customizable interfaces: Someone somewhere will/already has provided a third party patch hack to provide more options that Microsoft increasingly refuses to bring to Windows. Frankly, I have and will continue to get a more customizable interface out of most Linux DEs out of the box than Windows easy.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (5, Informative)

sensationull (889870) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755569)

There are a few things that have improved, most of which were avalible in Vista too:

Much better use of multicore CPUs
GPU acceleration of the GUI
self healing system files(in some instances)
OS aware of SMART HD readings and able to prompt user
DLL seperation
vastly better RDP
vastly improved central managment and deployment features for businesses
Easy 64 bit usage with drivers
Faster installs
Better power managment and usage of hardware suspend
better usage of memory (cacheing for very noticible speed gains)
Media center!
transparent Bitlocker hard drive encryption (in pro and ultimate) with TPM
program execution isolation that redirects reg and file system calls to safe locations
epiclly better wireless support
support for propper GUI scaleing on high DPI LCDs
Integrated Touch support and Speech Recognition(not fantastic but alright)
Automatic driver retrival for most hardware right of Windows update without searching
Fast search and indexing
Document libraries for easy organisation
Faster boot times and UI responce on semi-decent hardware (compared to XP)
Better moniter support for HD TVs and multi moniters/GPUs (by default)
Child restricted accounts to limit games and allow usage limits for children.

Just to name a few, it has been a long time since XP and things have progressed.

On the cons side I still don't like the superbar much, you can change it to be simmilar to the Vista one quite easily though. They have also removed the email client probably due to the EUs meddeling but live mail is still avalible.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755681)

One big advantage of Windows 7 over Windows XP: if you have a program crash, Windows 7 has VASTLY more graceful recovery, since it uses the same crash protection that Windows Vista uses.

I myself like Windows 7--it runs very well even on a machine with 2 GB of RAM, and some of the interface improvements are actually quite good.

Re:Can somebody tell me why? (1)

cygnusx (193092) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755833)

NOTE: These are benefits when upgrading from XP. Vista has some of these features, but usually 7's implementation of these is more refined.

The biggie is that display driver crashes don't bring down your system [osnews.com] . The display flickers for a bit and the driver is reloaded.

7 also supports multiple drivers for multiple adapters, but that's a bit esoteric.

Libraries are useful if you're not compulsive about organizing your files.

The user home folder is now sanely organized (C:\Users\User\Videos, C:\Users\User\Downloads, C:\Users\User\Documents, not C:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents\My Videos).

Ships with Powershell. Decent scripting out of the box.

The taskbar works MUCH better than XP/Vista and imho even the OSX dock. You no longer have to choose between the insanity of XP style grouped taskbar buttons and an overflowing taskbar. Much better window mgmt tools (e.g. desktop peek).

Very subjective, but feels snappy. Time to login screen and time to a usable desktop is much lower than Vista.

Built-in Windows Media Player (v12) starts quickly and is a pleasure to use. To be fair v11 was pretty good too, but v12 plays DivX (and all the xvids I've thrown at it) and most Quicktime MOVs. The interface is minimal if you double-click a media file. You get a simple rectangle containing the media, or a small square if it's an audio file. You get the full interface only if you start the app or click the expand UI button. This is what iTunes should have been like.

Explorer has improved its "are you sure" dialogs and made them much more usable/informative. Thumbnail previews are much faster. On the other hand, the new explorer takes some getting used to over the XP one -- the toolbar is non-customizable and not very useful imho.

Prediction (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755425)

/. will have at least 1 anti-Microsoft story today.
They have to counter this story.

Re:Prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755699)

/. will have at least 1 anti-Microsoft story today. They have to counter this story.

This is true, the rule is that the Universe will tip off the end of the stick it is spinning on like a plate if ./'s front page is ever pro MS for more than 24 hours.

And Office 2010 With It! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755447)

I don't think Office 2010 could make me love anything but older versions of Office.

Translation (4, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755449)

Translation - Buy stuff from me. I won't sell you poison again, honest. You can trust me and my stuff is less bad than last time.

Dell & Win 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755467)

Kinda funny that Michael Dell supports Win 7 being neighbors and all with Billie Boy. What I find interesting is that Win 7 still can't run 64-bit well. Still have wacky affinity issues, one processor will be pegged out and nothing on the other cores. I agree with mbone (558574) - "All my Dell boxes run Linux". Except I have never bought a Dell nor have I recommended anyone else. Linux Rox the soX of Win 7. Its amazing that it takes Micro$oft 6 years to what the Linux, community can get done in 6 weeks. I will always hate Proprietary pigeon holes that say throw money at your problem and fixit Microsoft has never impressed me, except starting to release OSS..............Guess that is why are most phones going the android way because Proprietary is DEAD and always has been in my eyes.....
Thanks Michey I don't want a Dell & Win7 thanks but no thanks.

Re:Dell & Win 7 (4, Insightful)

vosester (1163269) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755879)

“Its amazing that it takes Micro$oft 6 years to what the Linux, community can get done in 6 weeks”

I always wonder how this happen so fast as well, its like I woke up one day everybody had gone 64Bit. But one day at my local lug, Alan Cox was there and we got taking about 64Bit drivers and he said that when he was working at Red Hat the code for the Alpha port helped a lot.
Plus Linux has been in the 64bit space for a while it just commodity hardware caught up.
Microsoft are not know for being ahead of thing, there just playing catch up.
I take you point that FOSS did the transition better it just wasn’t as magical as you put it.

Too late for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755473)

W7 is a great product and all, but the penguin and Steve Jobs came along while MS were faffing about trying to fix Vista, I've already switched and I enjoy it far more now with the fruit thanks!

Sorry too little, too late!

Dell Financials (5, Informative)

mosch (204) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755487)

Revenue Q2 2008:  $14,147m
Revenue Q2 2009:  $10,623m

Profit YTD 2008:  $1,400m
Profit YTD 2009: $762m

Yeah... If I was Michael Dell, I'd be working to sell the idea that Windows 7 is going to make you love a PC too.  Especially if you bought a lot of other expensive shit.

Re:Dell Financials (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755721)

So, if Michael Dell's profits doubled this year, he WOULDN'T work to sell you on the idea of buying Windows 7 and a new PC?

win7 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755489)

i recently installed win 7 (move up from XP) and I can't say im loving any of it. The thing makes my head hurt. They've changed enough of the setup to make it a real pain to perform basic configurations and system mods.

I'll keep using it but my i'll stick to XP and my macbook for being productive.

Re:win7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755637)

There is a big learning curve from XP to Win7 give it about a month or two then you might not move back to XP. My main machine is now 7 and I really wish I could load it on my Media Center but I dont have the ram amount it needs XP just looks so dated now, well off to newegg I go.

Re:win7 (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755909)

Use the search feild in teh control pannel and you will find the setting every time.

He's almost certainly right (4, Funny)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755493)

...much like Ike loved Tina (or Chris loved Rhianna for our newer readers).

Tricky talk, in my opinion. (4, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755523)

My experience with Dell is that the company is tricky. I try to avoid Dell because for me the company does not make a good business partner, which is the relationship you have when you buy something technologically complicated from a company.

Quote from the story: "He pointed out that many business are running Windows XP, which is eight years old." [Should be businesses.]

That's a bit tricky, in my opinion. There is no migration path directly from Windows XP to Windows 7. If you are using Windows XP now, it is necessary to re-install ALL your applications, and re-configure ALL your settings. For us, that easily takes 40 hours. Windows XP has had a VERY high cost of ownership for us, and here we go again. Microsoft did not want to finish the work, apparently, and provide a way to convert automatically from Windows XP to Windows 7.

Also, Windows XP is not 8 years old, in my way of perceiving the matter. Windows XP was very troublesome until service pack 2 was released on August 25, 2004. So XP is actually 5 years old, because that is the date of what could be said to be the first release candidate.

It doesn't matter how old an OS is! We are not in the OS business. We are happy with what works for us.

In our experience it is better to buy components and build our own computers. The inside of a mass-market computer is amazing. Everywhere costs could have been cut, the components have been made a little cheaper, and sometimes a lot cheaper.

Re:Tricky talk, in my opinion. (1)

cabjf (710106) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755683)

I agree. Microsoft is probably betting that the computers people are running XP on are so old that they will just replace the entire thing. That's really going to take a while longer for that to happen though. I predict Windows 7 will be a success, but it will be a delayed success. As the economy begins growing again, businesses will finally start upgrading their computers and consumers will begin buying again. If they offered a way to upgrade from XP to Windows 7, maybe it would be different as people wouldn't feel like they might as well buy a whole new computer for the upgrade. However, as you point out, if XP is still working for people, what does Windows 7 add as a new and necessary feature?

I have loved my PC since 26 August, 1991 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755557)

NFM

Current generation is 'good enough' (4, Informative)

Little_Professor (971208) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755577)

While I agree Windows 7 is a leap forward from XP, I think Intel are going to struggle to get people to see Nehalem as the same category for upgrades. The Nehalem processors (and the associated required DDR3 RAM) are significantly more expensive than the Core2Duo processors, without providing any noticeable benefit for the vast majority of users. Unless you are a gamer or into heavy video/photo editing, the current Core2Duo generation is more than sufficient to outperform your needs. Ironically Windows 7, by running better than Vista on lower system requirements, will actually hurt Nehalem sales, by breaking the "software bloat"-"hardware upgrade" cycle

Re:Current generation is 'good enough' (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755697)

However, the very fact Windows 7 recovers from program crashes far more gracefully than in Windows XP is good reason to switch. When you have a crash in XP that involves explore.exe, all heck can break loose; that same crash in Windows 7 only causes a graceful shutdown of the offending application.

Re:Current generation is 'good enough' (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755705)

On the plus side, though, Nehalem and DDR3 now occupy the "soak the early adopter/serious needs crowd" niche, which has just made the older stuff even cheaper.

I don't much care about what MS or Dell think the new shiny is; but I'm hard pressed to see it as anything but a good thing that, when I dump the pile o' ads out of my morning paper, I see quad-core machines with 4gigs of RAM going for under $500. Heck, the $25 graphics card I bought, just because the old one died and I needed some sort of graphics capability, has more RAM than my first 6 computers did(either singly or combined) and is more powerful than the OMG-Gamer card I paid big money for back in high school.

Obviously, Mike here is just saying whatever he thinks will serve his company's bottom line best; but that doesn't change the fact that modern hardware is shockingly fast and crazy cheap.

Well...I agree with him. (4, Interesting)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755593)

After installing Windows 7 (started using it at RC level, I think), everything just feels smooth. It actually made me want to use Microsoft's included products for everything. It definitely has more appeal to me than OS X now.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated in any way to Microsoft or its subsidiaries. I just really like Windows 7.

Not going to happen (1)

Rgb465 (325668) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755601)

Here's the problem: Windows XP, for the majority of normal use cases, works. There is no business case for spending the kind of money necessary to upgrade everything, just so that your CEO can have "that big task bar".

What upgrade cycle? (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755603)

I upgraded to a decent middle/upper home built and overclocked system with a cheap video card when Vista was first released. Using it mainly for gaming and serving virtual servers and frankly besides a newer video card I don't need an upgrade.
I usally did the 2.5/3 year desktop upgrade cycle but I can run modern games with high graphics on a 21 monitor, and don't see a need to upgrade that. Windows 7 is suppose to running faster then Vista, if I decide to upgrade, and I can run multiple virtual machines with memory being the problem.
There is no need for average consumer upgrade if they have purchased anything with a dual code processor, and since a new windows upgrade was a major money point for Dell in the past they must be running scared and you can expect them to make comments like this.

bullshit advice (2, Insightful)

subbyUK (922488) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755617)

I have first hand experience. I've used Windows 7 RTM, and office 2010 technical preview I can honestly say that this advice is nothing more than a joke. In fact the 'type mismatch' errors that Autodesk Inventor throws up when syncing to Excel, make me lean more towards hateful feelings. Win7 / office 2010 are good and expensive, but i don't see how they are justifiably better than XP / office 2003/7. The love inducing factor comes from Michael Dell rubbing his grubby mitts together.

Re:bullshit advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755823)

Windows 7 is good. Office 2010 very very big piece of crap I have ever used, it rank up there with Win ME

Michael Dell (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755633)

And I say that Micky D can fuck off. Who's right? Only time will tell...

ho hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755663)

8 yrs and XP still meets all our needs.

They always say the new features will change the way we do things but they never do. Collaborative features only go so far and 80% of what spreadsheets are used for was available with VisiCalc. Word still unexpectedly screws up bullets, lists, line spacing etc. There will be some new auto-correct feature that wastes time until the hidden option selection is found to turn it off.

It seems that we have to pay a lot of money to do the same things with new software that requires an expensive upgrade/rollout cycle for both the s/w and supporting h/w.

At least there is a reason for the h/w upgrades: after five or six years notebooks, keyboards etc are getting pretty beat up. Also energy efficiency has improved (LCDs vs CRTs, better CPUs).

Mostly, we would just ignore Windows 7 if we could, even if it is nifty. Vista passed by with hardly a second glance but there are difficulties with getting more than two major versions behind.

Oh well, I guess most people out there do much more than email, docs, spreadsheets and file transfers. I'm sure they really are thrilled with the new offering. We're just stuck doing mundane business to earn a living. Sigh.

I wonder if the window theme has changed: move the close to the center and make it an O instead of an X. Or... arbitrary spline curves to shape the dialog boxes instead of boring rectilinear crap. Note boxes at odd angles, like on a desk, instead of all of this horizontally aligned s**t.

A whole new class of system calls.

Yeah that would make things better.

He forgot to mention (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755691)

That Dell PCs and laptops bought in last 3-4 yrs should run Windows 7 so well that people don't need upgraded hardware - all they do need is better support from Dell for the existing hardware.

Not yet. (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755709)

I'll love Windows again when they switch to LF for newline, '/' for file separator, and ':' for path separator.

7 & Dell (1)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755713)

I put 7 beta on my Dell E1505 laptop when it came out. Problems ZERO I wiped it, put RC1 on the same laptop when it came out. Problems ZERO I put the release version on the same laptop about a month ago Problems ZERO. (I'll be at the store on Oct 22 to buy it). XP, when I installed it, had issues that were not resolved with bluetooth and wi-fi until SP1) XP, I loved you, but, it is time to give you up. Win7 installed, found 100% of my hardware and has had absolutely NO problems. I just built a new home computer, to replace my 6 year old P4 HT processor. The new box is a Intel Quad core 2.66ghz, 4 gig ram, 500GB hard drive & an Nvidia 9800GT video card. Win7 found 100% of everything and set it all up perfectly. After I got everything set up, installed AV etc, the first time I connected it to the net, it found "updated driver" for the chipset, sound & video card, installed them all perfectly. The only mod I made was to install the new Nvidia video card driver. It even found my Hauppage TV tuner and set it up PERFECTLY. Win7 is a BIG improvement over XP. XP was a BIG improvement over windows 3.11

Why change? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29755747)

hello,

I have been running XP since it has been available as a beta....
Why change? Ihave 4GB of ram and no swap file, I never fill up that much ram... why do I need 64 bits?
with the latest intel core, my office 2003 run fast and snapy, and is consistent with every other window app that has ever been (menus, easy to find functions, text in the menuallowing me to lear keyboard short cut for functions)... the latest "ribons" are slow, and do not help me learn how to work more efficiently...

sure, a win7 desktop looks like a peice or art... but is that what we want of our PC? or do we want a functional tool?

using old style theme (win95) gives small window border that are a clear demarcation line from window to window, allowing to separate multiple windows with no confusions!

XP is a hammer, it works, it is efficient and fast.
Win 7 is a glass hammer, it is pretty, but try to put a serious nail in and you will run into troubles...

regards, cyrille

Doing it wrong (0, Troll)

BumpyCarrot (775949) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755755)

I don't think I've ever wanted Windows less having read that.

"Dell has always been a strong MS OEM ally and it is now hoping to cash in again from the impending upgrades." Wow, so we can expect a unbiased opinion then? PREPARE FOR SHPIEL!

"Dell made plain several times that he sees the installed base of technology as very old" which is to say, people are not fond of buying Vista packages "and sees a coming "refresh cycle," for which he has high hopes" and that Dell is planning on making plenty of money off this, after Vista's disappointment.

"The latest generation of chips from Intel is strong, particularly Nehalem," So technology advances then, yes? Took some long-term observation of the industry to determine that factoid, I'll bet.

"I've been using Windows 7 for a long time now, and if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again." So you buy Windows, but you'll need a new computer (let's face it, the majority do not know what a CPU is) and hey, whilst you're there, why not buy a new version of Office for the giggles? "It's a dramatic improvement"

Improvement over what? Being able to carry out tasks 95% of which we did 8 years ago on hardware with perhaps, oooh, 50% of the capacity of modern tech?

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not enticed into reading the article after that. I've had quite enough of reading about tech. going backwards.

Dramatic Improvement (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755799)

...if you get the latest processor technology and Office 2010 with it, you will love your PC again. It's a dramatic improvement.

Ok, I'm a graphic designer who often works with photoshop files that are 500 meg or larger (files in the 1 gig+ range are not uncommon at all). For me, having a fast processor, a lot of ram, and the other bells and whistles that go along with it will make a "dramatic improvement" because we're talking about a massive file and long processing times for each action I take. When you're using Office - you know, a word processing program, a spreadsheet program, and a presentation program - you shouldn't need the latest and greatest. Sorry, but I just feel that needing the latest and greatest so that you can "love your PC again" when all you're using is an office suite just might be a sign that the office suite is bloated well beyond what is required.

My two cents. They're Canadian cents so take 'em for what they're worth, eh.

We'll see... (1)

sajuuk (1371145) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755803)

Lets hope so because I plan to wipe my XP 32bit install in my gaming rig (which should have been done 6 months ago) and perform a clean install of Windows 7 when my disc arrives. It'll be nice to actually be able to USE all that RAM I have installed in it for a change.

Still lovin' my Win2k (2, Interesting)

misfit815 (875442) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755867)

Tell me again why I need to upgrade? Oh yeah, I'm missing a bunch of DRM. And I can't run the latest IE. Hmm... that's a shame...

Has he borrowed... (1)

M-RES (653754) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755873)

Has he borrowed Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field? :D

Is 7 really that different from Vista? (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755905)

I use Windows Vista (at least I do when I've somehow broken X on my Linux install) and I don't see why people hate it so much. Almost all hardware comes with compatible drivers these days, I have a reasonably powerful mid-range desktop with 4GB of RAM and I'm used to logging in as root every 5 minutes so the "are you sure" messages don't really bother me. Given all that, I think Vista is a good operating system (although I did upgrade to it directly from Windows 98).

Can someone who has used Vista extensively and tried Windows 7 RC let me know if it's actually very different from Vista or is all the "it's so much better than Vista" hype just a reaction to the now accepted (but I argue ill-founded) view that Vista sucks? From what I can tell it seems that Microsoft slapped a new wallpaper on Vista and called it Windows 7 just to get away from the name Vista.

I already love my PC (0, Offtopic)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#29755915)

... which runs Slackware.

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