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Giant Ribbon Discovered At Edge of Solar System

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the gift-wrapped dept.

Space 251

beadwindow writes "NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft has made the first all-sky maps of the heliosphere and the results have taken researchers by surprise. The maps are bisected by a bright, winding ribbon of unknown origin: 'This is a shocking new result,' says IBEX principal investigator Dave McComas of the Southwest Research Institute. 'We had no idea this ribbon existed — or what has created it. Our previous ideas about the outer heliosphere are going to have to be revised.' Another NASA scientist notes, '"This ribbon winds between the two Voyager spacecraft and was not observed by either of them.'"

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my ass (1)

doyoulikegoatseeee (930088) | about 5 years ago | (#29780139)

no text

Tag this (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780155)

startrekgenerations

Re:Tag this (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780165)

Negative. Tag this nexus!

Re:Tag this (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 5 years ago | (#29780709)

I remember now. That's where I lost it. Now if you would kindly return it...

Re:Tag this (1)

stonedcat (80201) | about 5 years ago | (#29780393)

Honestly I was thinking Q.
The nexus never occurred to me.

Re:Tag this (1)

illumastorm (172101) | about 5 years ago | (#29780435)

What about the Galactic Barrier?

Re:Tag this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780587)

I imagine we won't find the Galactic Barrier until we get to the edge of the Galaxy. The Nexus however, traveled through open space and solar systems and was definitely described as a ribbon. So it fits.

Christmas is coming! (1)

chfriley (160627) | about 5 years ago | (#29780441)

The obvious answer is - Christmas is coming and the ribbon has to come from somewhere!

Re:Tag this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780515)

I thought it was a giant ZIG resistance [wikipedia.org] "Support The Troops" banner.

Re:Tag this (1)

jeff419 (1112781) | about 5 years ago | (#29780635)

NNNOOOOOOO, Take me BACK!!!!

No, no. It's obviously the Third Wave. (1)

mattcsn (1592281) | about 5 years ago | (#29780999)

Of course, the Hydrus Blast seems to have given us a miss, so I'm not sure what long-term implications this has.

Must be another Starbucks... (0, Offtopic)

gapagos (1264716) | about 5 years ago | (#29780157)

I'm sure if you're on the edge of the solar system, the best way for a Starbucks to be noticed is by using a giant ribbon.

Hence, proof that Starbucks are truely everywhere.

Re:Must be another Starbucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780269)

It's a restaurant, you uneducated slob!

It's a restaurant, you uneducated slob! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780623)

....at the edge of the solar system.

Ribbon? (5, Funny)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29780163)

Bill Gates thought that he was being innovative. Who'd have guessed that God came up with it first?

Re:Ribbon? (5, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#29780309)

Wait... If both statements are true. Bill Gates must be God! It would explain some of the weird things in DNA that don't seem to do anything but it doesn't work when you take them away....

Re:Ribbon? (1)

WiFiBro (784621) | about 5 years ago | (#29780647)

Bill Gates must be God?

We are witnessing the birth of a new dogma: the Holy Quaternity.

Re:Ribbon? (3, Insightful)

superslacker87 (998043) | about 5 years ago | (#29780895)

Bill Gates must be God?

We are witnessing the birth of a new dogma: the Holy Quaternity.

You're late to the party, Bro.

Catholics have been doing that with Mary for centuries now.

Re:Ribbon? (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 years ago | (#29780817)

Pioneer 10 & 11 did just fine with menus and tool-bars, you spoiled young wipper-snappers!
     

Cosmic caring (-1, Offtopic)

jackd (64557) | about 5 years ago | (#29780167)

Red ribbon? Guess our galactic overlords are concerned about aids as well..

Re:Cosmic caring (1, Funny)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29780197)

No, it's pink... the universe is celebrating National Breast Cancer Awareness Month!

Re:Cosmic caring (3, Funny)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | about 5 years ago | (#29780733)

Some of us are aware of breast all year long.

Re:Cosmic caring (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | about 5 years ago | (#29780437)

no, it is the red string of fate.

We're surrounded by a ribbon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780181)

My god, we've been gift-wrapped for our alien overlords!

2012 is true!

Widespread Reach (5, Funny)

cosm (1072588) | about 5 years ago | (#29780193)

The universe patched to 1.2, introducing Ribbon controls, because they collapse and expand in a visually appealing fashion. This helps the overlords better manage their multi-dimension MDI.

Bah, hack scientists (5, Interesting)

skornenicholas (1360763) | about 5 years ago | (#29780201)

We already KNEW about this, it is called the Great Galactic Barrier
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Galactic_barrier [memory-alpha.org]
It's just the little one for each solar system, and these guys get federal grant money!

differential flux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780217)

Differential flux? Perhaps we should build a capacitor to deal with that.

Prediction (2, Funny)

electricprof (1410233) | about 5 years ago | (#29780219)

I predict that further study will reveal the ribbon encircles a giant gift-wrapped present under an enormous Christmas tree. These were not discovered previously, since the present was hidden in the cosmic closet ...

Re:Prediction (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29780231)

What about the jolly old man with white hair? I thought the Russians confirmed that God wasn't out there, though...

Re:Prediction (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | about 5 years ago | (#29780861)

Point of semantics: The Communists "proved" God wasn't out there.

Of course, the only concurring "proof" also came from Communists. Even Carl Sagan wasn't so foolish as to admit a negative observation as positive proof.

The Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780223)

It's the nexus.

be careful (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 5 years ago | (#29780227)

It's good we discovered this early on. If we were already launching interstellar ships, there's a very real danger that at least one crew member's latent ESP abilities would start to run amok after their ship tried entering the ribbon. And, even worse, it'd probably be one of the ship captain's oldest friends.

Star Trek did it (1)

BearRanger (945122) | about 5 years ago | (#29780241)

And no, not the Nexus. Classic Trek. The barrier at the edge of the galaxy. And like all good barriers they're designed to either keep something out, or to keep something in...

I suppose the implication of Voyager not detecting it is that it wasn't there then. Guess the EBE's have noticed us after all.

Oh yeah, for those who haven't caught on? :-) :-) :-)

Re:Star Trek did it (1)

brunes69 (86786) | about 5 years ago | (#29780273)

Voyager never left the galaxy, or got anywhere near the edge, they just went to the other side of it.

Re:Star Trek did it (1)

BearRanger (945122) | about 5 years ago | (#29780285)

Wrong Voyager. I meant the Voyager space probe discussed in the article. If you must have a Star Trek reference for that one call it V'ger.

Re:Star Trek did it (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 5 years ago | (#29780495)

The Voyager space probe discussed in the article has come even less close to the edge of the galaxy than the fictional Voyager starship from Star Trek.

Re:Star Trek did it (2, Interesting)

BearRanger (945122) | about 5 years ago | (#29780605)

Sometimes literalists have a way of ruining the joke for everyone...

Ribbon is to solar system as barrier is to galaxy. Simple as that. And if I were being literal I would have noted that V'ger was supposed to be Voyager 6, which of course doesn't (yet) exist. Then again I'm making jokes about Star Trek. None of it has any bearing on reality.

Re:Star Trek did it (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 5 years ago | (#29780737)

Oh, that was a joke!

Sorry, all the guys who posted jokes alluding to stories that talk about barriers actually around solar systems kind of spoiled yours.

Re:Star Trek did it (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about 5 years ago | (#29780585)

Yep indeed! it was obvious for an old f* like me that you were talking about V'ger ! ;-)

Not sure what Star Trek Voyager is although I think I remember that it is some kind of a Star Trek fork like "Deep space nine".

Thinking of it, isn't this the one where Mrs. Columbo is the captain of the ship ? ;-)

I did not know that V'ger never left the galaxy although, Thanks !

Ah, So That's What it's All About! (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about 5 years ago | (#29780243)

God's evolving the strippers who jump out of the birthday cake when God pulls the ribbon! He's using evolution so it will be a surprise!

Hey... makes as much sense as any other religion. Free sainthood for early supporters!

calibration error? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780247)

Based on the pic, I'm betting that it's a calibration error caused by measuring the sun through the back side of the detector. :-)

I guess (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about 5 years ago | (#29780251)

it's not a quantum leap to assume that other solar systems have them too. I wonder what more information we'll be able to learn about our system, and therefore be able to infer about other systems, due to this discovery.

galactic magnetic field (3, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | about 5 years ago | (#29780263)

FTA:

One important clue: The ribbon runs perpendicular to the direction of the galactic magnetic field just outside the heliosphere,

It looks like the ribbon is a side effect of the interaction between the galactic magnetic field and the heliosphere. It's possible that the interaction between the two causes particles to either collect in that region or direct those particles from that region toward Earth.

Re:galactic magnetic field (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | about 5 years ago | (#29780475)

TFA also stated that no one really knows what it is or how it's formed, so you can't really infer that because it runs perpendicular to the galactic magnetic field that it's a side effect of the two interacting. There are a number of unanswered questions about this, and only time will tell what it is or how it formed. Very big watch this space (sorry, couldn't help myself).

Re:galactic magnetic field (3, Insightful)

CheshireCatCO (185193) | about 5 years ago | (#29780565)

I disagree. The probability of the ribbon running perpindicular to the galactic magnetic field is pretty low if it's a coincidence and it's not implausible that there are interactions between the heliosphere and the magnetic field (given that the heliosphere is set by plasma interactions and all, especially). So to infer that the galactic magnetic field plays a role is perfectly reasonable.

Perhaps you mean that it isn't *proof* that the galactic magnetic field is responsible? (Which is true. Granted, there is no proof in science, just sometimes strong evidence. Which this isn't, either.)

Re:galactic magnetic field (4, Interesting)

KillerBob (217953) | about 5 years ago | (#29780727)

The thing being... we have a 2D view of a 3D object. From our perspective it runs perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. But without a second observation point that's far enough away from the original observation point, we can't actually know that it actually *is* perpendicular to the axis, or whether it's an optical illusion and really going off at some oddball angle.

Just playing devil's advocate here. It certainly does look as though it's related to the galactic magnetic field, and I liked the suggestion of another poster, that it's basically just the galactic equivalent of Aurora Borealis. But at this point, we just can't *know* that it's related to the magnetic field at all. We could be seeing that giant floating ribbon from Star Trek: Generations.

And my first thought was to the 1992 video game, Star Control II... the documentation that came with that game said that access to hyperspace was impossible within large gravity wells (such as those around stars), and that there was a visible shimmer when you got to the region of space where the transition between dimensions was possible... :)

Re:galactic magnetic field (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780909)

...I'm actually playing The Ur-Quan Masters right now.

Re:galactic magnetic field (3, Insightful)

CheshireCatCO (185193) | about 5 years ago | (#29780987)

The thing being... we have a 2D view of a 3D object. From our perspective it runs perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. But without a second observation point that's far enough away from the original observation point, we can't actually know that it actually *is* perpendicular to the axis, or whether it's an optical illusion and really going off at some oddball angle.

Again, sure. But we got what we got. And, once again, what's being suggested isn't that we know that these two things are connected. Merely that it'd be a heckuva coincidence if they weren't. If I hear a scream and rush around the corner to see someone unconscious on the sidewalk, I'm going to assume that the two are connected until I get further information suggesting otherwise. Certainly as I try to figure out what happened, that's my starting position. And similarly, the good folks working on this ribbon mystery are going to start by looking for ways of connecting the ribbon to the galactic magnetic field. They might be wrong. That might get them nowhere. But you start where the initial set of clues lead you and work from there.

So, once again: no one is saying that we know that the two are connected. It's just a reasonably strong hint in the initial stages of investigating a new phenomenon.

Re:galactic magnetic field (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780991)

Are you trolling or just stupid? That ribbon lies in the plane that goes through our sun and is perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. The actual distance of the ribbon to our sun doesn't matter. You could fit any wiggly rope into that plane and it would be perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. That's how "perpendicular" works in 3D.

Re:galactic magnetic field (2, Insightful)

ls671 (1122017) | about 5 years ago | (#29780631)

I like the GP suggestion, in scientific thinking, you *need* to make hypothesis and try to validate them.

What if the ribbons were just Galactic Northern Lights ? ;-))

There is nothing wrong with trying to guess in science as long as you categorize your thoughts as hypothesis...

Re:galactic magnetic field (2, Insightful)

dhanson865 (1134161) | about 5 years ago | (#29780553)

It's possible that the interaction between the two causes particles to either collect in that region or direct those particles from that region toward Earth

Other than it's where you live what is your fixation with the Earth? I'm assuming you should have said towards the SUN since it happens to be the center point of the system as a whole. Or am I missing something technical that somehow shows that the earth is specifically effecting this interaction?

Re:galactic magnetic field (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | about 5 years ago | (#29780643)

The satellite orbits Earth. Particles moving toward the Sun can also move toward the Earth. If they were not moving toward the Earth we wouldn't have observed the ribbon.

Re:galactic magnetic field (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | about 5 years ago | (#29780707)

If the particles weren't directed towards Earth, they wouldn't show up on the sensors of a probe in orbit around Earth. Ignoring this would commit the fallacy you accuse him of, that of assuming that just because we see something from our viewpoint means it has a solar-system-wide implication.

That's no ribbon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780267)

It's a MOON!

Re:That's no ribbon! (0)

fast turtle (1118037) | about 5 years ago | (#29780609)

Phillip K. Dick was right. It's Disc world

DESTROY IT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780295)

I knew there was some reason we couldn't use magic and this "heliosphere" and "shining ribbon" is exactly why. Break those things and let our superpowers be born!

Easy... (1, Interesting)

popo (107611) | about 5 years ago | (#29780299)

It's just a warp signature. "They" weren't ready to make first contact.

Re:Easy... (2, Funny)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | about 5 years ago | (#29780493)

No, it's a warning beacon advising more civilized species of interstellar travelers to keep away from from a star system inhabited by homo sapiens sapiens.

Larry Nevin's (1)

auric_dude (610172) | about 5 years ago | (#29780303)

Re:Larry Nevin's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780905)

careful, it's unstable!

Fucking Global Warming (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780321)

Stop climate change now.

Re:Fucking Global Warming (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about 5 years ago | (#29780661)

Are you praying god or the nature ?

If so, you should be more polite...

Whatever you do... (1)

unitron (5733) | about 5 years ago | (#29780335)

...just don't pull on either end!

Mine is more interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780361)

This morning I decided to drop by my oncle's home. We were talking very relaxed over a cup of tea until I said: "This country is full of extremists and
freaking fascists".

Well, you should see him, he punched me several times in the neck, pulled up my ear and carried me by it into the basement, insulting me
like he were mad. And... you know, I followed him 'cause I hadn't any other option, and when we entered there the walls were full of
swastikas and famous nazis' pictures. Suddenly, my aunt appeared there in black high heel leather boots and black lace.

In seconds my ass was completely red 'cause they started to whip me really hard and they seemed to be very concerned about me, always asking me
if I was having fun enough. Of course, at first I said "yes, yes" for I was so scared, but after some minutes in which they seemed to be
encouraged to whip me harder I decided to be frank: "Man, this is not the way to treat your family".

Their faces got pale, they looked at each other very surprised and seconds later they removed all the ropes that were trapping me. After that
they explained to me they were in the BDSM, dominance and submission world, and they had put an ad in a newspaper, offering the "Gestapo revenge"
to anyone using insults against nazis as a keycode to meet. Obviously they thought I was in it.

However, I still complained for the situation was a bit incestuous, but they told me they already knew I was an adopted child. Everything was over
and we laughed very much while recalling my surprised face and all that nonsense misunderstanding, but my ass still burns.

Re:Mine is more interesting (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780399)

Hey, Uncle Ike here. Sorry about that. It was pretty fucking hilarious, though.

Final Fantasy (5, Funny)

White Flame (1074973) | about 5 years ago | (#29780375)

At last, we now know why the solar system is immune to status effects.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

Anonymous Struct (660658) | about 5 years ago | (#29780533)

Oh good, so I'm not the only one who thought this.

Oh make up your mind, scientists! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780395)

First you say Pluto is a planet. Then you say Pluto isn't a planet. And suddenly a ring magically suddenly exists in our solar system? And you didn't see it before! Hah, fat chance! This is proof that science is an inferior religion, just an excuse for atheists to meander about with uncertainty instead of following the true word of God.

Queue the environmentalist (-1, Flamebait)

Lohkay (1658931) | about 5 years ago | (#29780411)

I bet some environmentalist will come up with the idea that we're somehow responsible for that rip in the heliosphere.

don't like the ribbon (1, Funny)

dolo724 (22338) | about 5 years ago | (#29780423)

I want my menus back!

This ribbon thing is driving me nuts!

Ribbons, Spheres ... (1, Funny)

Cmdr-Absurd (780125) | about 5 years ago | (#29780425)

Ribbons, Spheres...
We're all in the middle of a cosmic rhythmic gymnastics competition!

The Hindmost is pleased. (3, Funny)

Megatog615 (1019306) | about 5 years ago | (#29780433)

And so begins Louis, Nessus, Teela, and Speaker's journey...

A ribbon? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780445)

What, can't a solar system look cute for photo day?

that is a stargate wormhole that has gone bad. (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 5 years ago | (#29780465)

that is a stargate wormhole that has gone bad. OR they are trying to dial Destiny and need a lot of power.

Re:that is a stargate wormhole that has gone bad. (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | about 5 years ago | (#29780621)

Mckay did it. [gateworld.net]

Have something written (2, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 years ago | (#29780485)

"Don't open before christmas"

It's God's fly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780507)

He's getting ready to teabag the Earth in 2012. It's part of his frat initiation.

It's Xenu's soul catcher! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780581)

Looking for the Right Thing (3, Insightful)

lousyd (459028) | about 5 years ago | (#29780629)

This "ribbon" escaped detection by two former Voyager spacecraft, and is only now being detected by some new spacecraft that happened to be looking for something different. This "ribbon" is a ribbon by some specific property.

It's amazing, to me, how what we see is influenced to a great extent by what we're looking for. The manifold possibilities the universe presents to us!

Re:Looking for the Right Thing (2, Interesting)

argent (18001) | about 5 years ago | (#29780793)

I think they are only talking about the location of the Voyager spacecraft as a reference, I don't think there's any suggestion that they would have been expected to detect a large scale effect like this. It would be like expecting to determine the shape of the Mid Atlantic Ridge from two Bathyscaphe dives.

Ecliptics? (1)

dugrrr (582161) | about 5 years ago | (#29780667)

While the ribbon's perpendicular orientation to the galactic magnetic field is interesting, I'd like to know the relative orientations of the galactic and solar system ecliptics. If for no other reason than to have a frame of reference. I'm guessing that the galactic field is roughly perpendicular to its ecliptic (right hand rule?) but not necessarily to our direction of penetration with our heliopause.

Long-delayed echoes (2, Interesting)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 5 years ago | (#29780675)

Could this be the cause of the Long-delayed echoes? [wikipedia.org]

Re:Long-delayed echoes (3, Informative)

nacturation (646836) | about 5 years ago | (#29780695)

Long delayed echoes (LDEs) are radio echoes which return to the sender several seconds after a radio transmission has occurred.

Unless someone has discovered faster than light communications, probably not.

Re:Long-delayed echoes (2, Interesting)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 5 years ago | (#29780731)

Right, too far. We'd be looking for features closer to Earth's orbit. Never mind.

More holes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780683)

First we had to worry about a hole in the ozone layer, now we have a tear in the heliosphere?

Pigs In Spaaaaace (1, Offtopic)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about 5 years ago | (#29780739)

Obviously, it's Miss Piggy's hair ribbon.

I for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780781)

I for one welcome our ribbon making overlords.

Does that mean the solar system is a girl? (1, Funny)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 5 years ago | (#29780803)

Worked for Ms. Pacman

Not nice... (1, Offtopic)

war4peace (1628283) | about 5 years ago | (#29780823)

You know, it's not nice to take a picture of God with his pants unzipped... Those scientists should be ashamed of themselves!

This was described many years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780829)

It's for our love. - Stevie Wonder

Crime Scene: Do Not Cross (1)

rmd6502 (613811) | about 5 years ago | (#29780859)

Meep!

All hail (5, Funny)

Bysshe (1330263) | about 5 years ago | (#29780881)

All hail his noodly appendage.

If I remember correctly (1)

oljanx (1318801) | about 5 years ago | (#29780901)

This is exactly the wake you'd expect to be produced by a Vogon fleet.

on further review... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29780911)

Scientists were further astonished to find that the yellow ribbon observed at the edge of the solar system seemed to be interrupted by a pattern of symbols, which some say resembled the Roman letters:

Z E I S S

Change the channel, please (0, Offtopic)

Machupo (59568) | about 5 years ago | (#29780915)

I hate rhythmic gymnastics...

The winner (0, Offtopic)

SEWilco (27983) | about 5 years ago | (#29780933)

The Nobel Prize in Astrophysics goes to Yevgeniya Kanayeva, for championship ribbon gymnastics achievements.

The Note (5, Funny)

DynaSoar (714234) | about 5 years ago | (#29780939)

"Please wear this ribbon on your planetary system in order to help us raise awareness. Awareness is such a precious commodity in galaxies of all colors, shapes and sizes, that we feel it only proper to honor the awareness that is within us all by taking this opportunity to mark those systems with nascent awarenesses with a ribbon. Hopefully by comparing our pre-aware planetary systems we can come to appreciate our own awareness and the source of that awareness, whatever form you may believe that it takes. Remember, it takes a spiral arm to raise a planetary system. Thank you again for raising awareness with this ribbon."

Gift (4, Insightful)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | about 5 years ago | (#29780975)

It just means that life, the universe, and everything is a gift.

Does it bounce on the edges? (1, Funny)

chord.wav (599850) | about 5 years ago | (#29780993)

Seems God is AFK and we are seeing the screen saver.

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