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Windows 7 Released Early In UK

kdawson posted about 5 years ago | from the getting-the-worm dept.

Windows 194

CNETNate writes "UK customers have been reporting that they received their copies of Windows 7 in the mail today. Currently the British postal service is threatening industrial action over pay, and planned walkouts may result in Windows 7 not being delivered on its release date. It is understood that Microsoft has agreed to let some retailers send out copies early to avoid disappointment, and to make the UK the first country in the world to have Windows 7 in customers' hands."

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First Post on Windows 7 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805561)

Oh dear it seems the speed of the little fella isnt enough.

Who'd have thought... (2, Insightful)

Flibberdy (780254) | about 5 years ago | (#29805569)

that this postal strike actually has some kind of benefit to the general public? And kudos to MS for allowing this to happen, some good PR they got going there.

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 5 years ago | (#29805585)

I've noticed a few companies using this as a marketing device.

"Free UK delivery" (for a limited time)
"No postal delays!" (posted using a different service)

I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Funny)

rvw (755107) | about 5 years ago | (#29805619)

"Free UK delivery"

I'm sure there is a succinct, yet cheesy marketing term for using current events as a selling points.

I think FUK=D would be an appropriate and somehow cheesy term.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1, Offtopic)

jimicus (737525) | about 5 years ago | (#29806047)

What does Free the United Kingdom from Drugs have to do with this?

Re:Who'd have thought... (4, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | about 5 years ago | (#29805597)

I'll be honest; I'm not sure why there's so much delay before the general release anyhow. The RTM build was signed off on months ago, and went up for MSDN subscribers (a very small portion of the general public, but often people with very little connection to MS) only a few days later. At my school, through the MSDN Academic Alliance program (free MS software to endingeering students) we've been able to get Win7 for some weeks (and via http://dreamspark.com/ [dreamspark.com] all students with a .edu email address can get Server 2008 R2, the server version of the Win7 release).

So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

HappySmileMan (1088123) | about 5 years ago | (#29805741)

Same, my university has had the ISOs available to burn for weeks, as well as being able to download with student info on the MSDNAA site.
So summary is only correct for certain values of "customer".

Re:Who'd have thought... (4, Informative)

asdf7890 (1518587) | about 5 years ago | (#29805767)

So... why so long before boxes hit shelves? It seems very odd to me.

Basically: getting enough manufactured to cover initial demand and getting those units shipped to retailers. Many retailers might have had boxed copies in their warehouses weeks ago but they will have signed a deal saying they won't make them available until the official release date in order for the public release to be coordinated in all territories.

As well as accounting for manufacturing processes and regional shipment delays, they will have also allowed extra time for other unexpected extensions to these delays and other issues. There would also be a final test phase of the activation infrastructure to fit in too, to ensure it can cope with the sudden glut of activity on, and shortly after, release day.

There is also co-ordination with OEMs to consider. They would not be happy with retail copies going out before they had chance to update and test their offerings in time for release date - yes MS has them over a barrel to a certain extent so could tell them to go hang if it wanted to, but this isn't the right climate to be annoying major customers in. There are probably other marketing reasons to pick a coordinated date near, but not at, the end of the year too.

Releasing to MSDN subscribers is much easier. Most are download-only subscriptions now so just put the ISOs on subscriptions.msdn.microsoft.com and there is no need for physical anything never mind coordinated physical anything. For subscribers who still get disks that is just a plain DVD (and/or ISO files on a plain DVD) with no fancy hologram label and no box or other additional materials. It is not expected that developers have to wait for coordinated retail release, so there are no OEM concerns to worry about (in fact the OEMs would prefer developers to have early access - it will reduce problems and returns at their end of the market if there is less stuff out there with compatibility issues by release day).

Re:Who'd have thought... (3, Funny)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | about 5 years ago | (#29805917)

And there's coordination with support providers: call centers need to retrain staff and write new support "scripts" for their personnel. And the manufacturers of other software, such as Microsoft Office need time to get the secret internal documentation of available libraries and toolkits so they can weave it into their releases. And third party hardware and software providers need a chance to test and integrate their components with Microsoft's release, or they may repeat what happened with Vista and ignore the release.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806077)

You left off a very important reason for part of the delay -- a coordinated marketing strategy. The lead time on print ads, billboards, radio/tv spots, etc is often measured in months. So in order to make all the ad buys and have all of the various materials ready, the release date needed to be decided on months ago. Which it was. It so happened that the product was ready to release before that date. But you don't just go and scrap a many-million dollar marketing campaign because the product is ready early. To MS's credit, they did make Win7 available to partners, schools, developers, etc when it actually was ready -- they didn't hold onto it until the marketing release date.

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Insightful)

mlts (1038732) | about 5 years ago | (#29806079)

If I were to hazard a guess, it would be so that any possible show-stopper bugs would be found and hopefully fixed before the public got their hands on the copy and the rumor game started up.

MS was bitten by this with Vista. Once Joe Sixpack heard from his friend who is slightly more technical than he was, that Vista sucked (even though the reasons why were not listed), Vista rapidly got a bad reputation that it could not shake even with multiple service packs and several generations of hardware. With Windows 7, should there be any real nasty issues (and so far, there are not), Microsoft has some lead time to get them pushed to Windows Update before the product faces judgment by the masses.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

kevingolding2001 (590321) | about 5 years ago | (#29806169)

Once Joe Sixpack heard from his friend who is slightly more technical than he was, that Vista sucked

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to correct you on this.
As a PC repair tech last year, I found that people pretty much learned to hate Vista simply from their own experiences.

Re:Who'd have thought... (4, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 5 years ago | (#29806095)

I'll be honest; I'm not sure why there's so much delay before the general release anyhow.

Microsoft is carefully stage-managing the hype.

They are well aware that they need a win, some way to coax computer users off XP without frightening them into jumping off the Windows ship altogether. They can't take a risk by producing an innovative or interesting OS, but they still need to generate some excitement to erase all the bad feeling generated by Vista.

So they release a mildly facelifted version of their failed OS, rely on improved hardware to mask the worst of the sluggishness and hype it to the max.

Profit.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | about 5 years ago | (#29806197)

They can't take a risk by producing an innovative or interesting OS, [...]

What would qualify as an "innovative or interesting OS", in the context of the average user ?

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 5 years ago | (#29806517)

What would qualify as an "innovative or interesting OS"

Are you guys SO desperate for ideas for Win 8 that you have to ask random Slashdotters for hints?

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | about 5 years ago | (#29806663)

Are you guys SO desperate for ideas for Win 8 that you have to ask random Slashdotters for hints?

I just want to know what you would consider "innovative or interesting" for the average user. Seems like a simple request.

Re:Who'd have thought... (0, Troll)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 5 years ago | (#29806723)

Seems like a simple request.

Does it? It seems like it would require a VERY complicated answer to me.

Since it's so simple, perhaps you could help us get started by describing your innovative OS concepts.

Re:Who'd have thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806715)

Umm. If he worked at Microsoft, how could it possibly be a bad thing that he's asking what you want in an OS instead of just making up ideas themselves?

Re:Who'd have thought... (1, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 5 years ago | (#29806885)

how could it possibly be a bad thing that he's asking what you want in an OS

I don't use Microsoft's OS or any of their other products for that matter.

The people who make the software I use already listen to my feedback, and don't have a history of abusing my trust.

Why would I help Microsoft? They've done nothing to earn my loyalty and a lot to earn my contempt.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | about 5 years ago | (#29807221)

(free MS software to endingeering students)

None of whom have a minor in English apparently. d:

Re:Who'd have thought... (0, Flamebait)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | about 5 years ago | (#29805605)

some kind of benefit to the general public?

Windows 7. Benefit.

How is that a benefit?

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | about 5 years ago | (#29805815)

Ho ho ho. I didn't see that one coming.

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Funny)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | about 5 years ago | (#29805817)

We'll get to throw those awesome Windows 7 launch parties [youtube.com] , remember?

Re:Who'd have thought... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805831)

Well duh. In the same way Windows Genuine Advantage is an advantage.

Re:Who'd have thought... (3, Interesting)

sqldr (838964) | about 5 years ago | (#29805937)

"How is that a benefit?"

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some people have to use windows, in spite of the fact that they hate it. Anyone who has had the misfortune to suffer with Vista will now be rejoicing that windows 7, which pretty much amounts to a bugfix version of vista with the added bonus of a taskbar which almost makes sense, a graphics driver that might actually work, the ability to boot in under 20 minutes, and all in an operating system where the beta version I've been running for the last couple of months was actually more stable than the officially released crock of arse that was vista.

This all contributes to removing some of the pain from the occasions where I have to select the "other" option in grub.

That said, I won't be inviting my friends round for a release party. Sorry.

Re:Who'd have thought... (5, Interesting)

Tim C (15259) | about 5 years ago | (#29806513)

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some of us use Windows because we like it. I ran Linux on my desktop for a couple of years and moved back to Windows around SP1 of XP; I simply prefer it.

"Islam" means "peace"... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805991)

http://www.wptz.com/news/21336430/detail.html [wptz.com]

What a surprise! Another hypocritical Muslim caught drinking and committing acts of violence!

Re:Who'd have thought... (2, Interesting)

jonadab (583620) | about 5 years ago | (#29806145)

> Windows 7. Benefit. How is that a benefit?

It might depend on what you've been using up to this point. It is *arguable* that if you've been using Windows Vista (perhaps because you bought a new computer that came with it and didn't bother to install anything else yet), Windows 7 might be an improvement.

I personally am not convinced of this. I think the gratuitous UI weirdness in 7, and the inability to turn off some of the unwanted new features, makes it worse than Vista. For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window? To me that's a usability disaster.

But many people disagree with me. If you look around on the internet, it's not hard at all to find people claiming that Windows 7 is *vastly* superior to Vista.

And ultimately it doesn't really matter that much what *I* think about 7, because the chances of my ever switching my main workstation to any version of Windows are negligible anyhow. I place too much value on the ability to customize my system and get it working exactly the way I like, and Windows has never been any good for that.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

Starayo (989319) | about 5 years ago | (#29806245)

I personally am not convinced of this. I think the gratuitous UI weirdness in 7, and the inability to turn off some of the unwanted new features, makes it worse than Vista. For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window? To me that's a usability disaster.

I certainly thought it was a ridiculous premise at first but after using it for a while it did indeed seem to work fine. It can be tweaked to function closer to the original taskbar, in any case.

The most surprising thing to me about 7 is that it was actually a pleasure to use - which is great news for me as a PC gamer. Hell, on my laptop it runs about as fast as my ubuntu installation did without the unfortunately high probability of me changing a config file somewhere and screwing it up royally. I really should stop messing with things necessary for my computer's operation without proper instruction.

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

drsmithy (35869) | about 5 years ago | (#29806255)

For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window?

Because they're not meant to be looked at as "quicklaunch icons", they're meant to be looked at as "Taskbar buttons".

Re:Who'd have thought... (1)

amliebsch (724858) | about 5 years ago | (#29806961)

For instance, why would you want your quicklaunch icons to move around all over the taskbar every time you open or close a window?

They move? I haven't noticed this behavior; I click on an icon to launch a program and its tile changes appearance slightly but doesn't move, then I click it again to use it as a task switcher. Are you doing something different than the defaults?

Re:Who'd have thought... (0, Troll)

jo42 (227475) | about 5 years ago | (#29806567)

Vista == "Turd"

Windows 7 == "Polished Vista" == "Polished Turd"

Benefit? It's "Polished"!

Re:Who'd have thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805723)

Strikes are always to the benefit of the general public

IN OTHER NEWS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805997)

UK becomes spyware hotspot of the world!

Those basdards. (1)

Higaran (835598) | about 5 years ago | (#29805575)

I wasn't really running out to go buy one, but I am actually a little jelouse that they got copies before the release date.

Already on sale in Israel... (5, Informative)

ZP-Blight (827688) | about 5 years ago | (#29805581)

Not only the U.K.,
Windows 7 is already on sale in Israel.

Re:Already on sale in Israel... (2, Informative)

lukas84 (912874) | about 5 years ago | (#29805591)

We were able to order Windows 7 OEM, Retail and Upgrade licenses on the 15th. We received the first ones on the 16th.

This is in no way unusual...

Germany too (5, Informative)

DaPhil (811162) | about 5 years ago | (#29805607)

Windows 7 has been available through amazon.de for some time now, and is being delivered as well. Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Already on sale in Israel... (1)

secondhand_Buddah (906643) | about 5 years ago | (#29806155)

Well it is the year 5770 in Israel.

Re:Already on sale in Israel... (4, Funny)

Meumeu (848638) | about 5 years ago | (#29806189)

Well it is the year 5770 in Israel.

And still no flying cars...

Re:Already on sale in Israel... (1)

mathx314 (1365325) | about 5 years ago | (#29806391)

Yes, but cold fusion is only a few decades away.

I'm One (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805583)

Purchased though Amazon and got an email as soon as i saw this story.

looks like their not using the post office as they say it's sent via City Link. though this may be because i live in London.

Re:I'm One (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806345)

Purchased though Amazon and got an email as soon as I saw this story.

Looks like they're not using the Post Office as they say it's sent via City Link. Though this may be because I live in London.

Must try harder with your spelling and capitalization, "i" is not a word.

Re:I'm One (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806449)

Does the mangling of the language call for Capital Punishment?

Who cares? (1)

rpp3po (641313) | about 5 years ago | (#29805639)

The reviews are out for months. Anybody who really cared has it already anyway. Students could have it for weeks for free via MSDN AA. Not that I would say that there might still be some people waiting for this, but is this really worth a Slashdot story??

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805683)

Technet subscribers have had it since August

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806575)

People who aren't Technet subscribers might.

Slashlaw, Article 3. (1)

geekmux (1040042) | about 5 years ago | (#29805709)

The reviews are out for months. Anybody who really cared has it already anyway. Students could have it for weeks for free via MSDN AA. Not that I would say that there might still be some people waiting for this, but is this really worth a Slashdot story??

Hey, listen buddy. It's always worth a Slashdot story when even the hint of Microsoft screwing something up comes to light. Didn't you read your Slashlaws when you signed up?!? It's right there in Article 3, plain as day. Admit it, you don't read EULAs either, do you?

Space Corps Directive or something (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 5 years ago | (#29806081)

is this really worth a Slashdot story??

Hey, listen buddy. It's always worth a Slashdot story when even the hint of Microsoft screwing something up comes to light. Didn't you read your Slashlaws when you signed up?!? It's right there in Article 3, plain as day

Article 3- 'Any Slashdotter caught sniffing the saddle of the exercise bicycle in the women's gym will be discharged without trial'?

Hmm, I'm sorry, that doesn't quite get to the nub of the matter for me.

Re:Space Corps Directive or something (0, Offtopic)

ledow (319597) | about 5 years ago | (#29806143)

No, no, no, no... That's not Article 3...

Article 3 is 'No crewmember with false teeth should attempt oral sex in zero-gravity'

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805833)

Students could have it for weeks for free via MSDN AA.

you are talking apples and oranges here. Software from MSDN AA is clearly licensed only to support development for your education and can't be used as your main operating system (i.e. "consumer use"). What is discussed here is "consumer use".

Re:Who cares? (0, Redundant)

rpp3po (641313) | about 5 years ago | (#29806243)

you are talking apples and oranges here. Software from MSDN AA is clearly licensed only to support development for your education and can't be used as your main operating system (i.e. "consumer use"). What is discussed here is "consumer use".

Excuse me, why do I get the impression this this is sounding a little Microsofty. Why? It somehow bears the taste of a "campaigning perspective". So you intended to have consumer use discussed here. Well sorry, that this is Slashdot!

However, kudos for the campaign as a whole. The "Yes, Vista sucked, but have you heard, Windows 7 rules"-spin really took off. You also made sure, that all exclusive early reviewers compared it to Vista and not XP (which made Vista look so bad). W7 is again considerably slower than XP, even with all eye candy and UAC shut off. But somehow you managed it, to make almost nobody ask, because "it's so much better than Vista".

*I* Care!! (5, Funny)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about 5 years ago | (#29806135)

They're totally spoiling my launch party! After I spent all day organizing my "Activities" and picking my favorite "Features" to share with everyone! Now they'll all go to someone else's launch party the day before.

The hell with them, I'm installing FreeBSD then.

Pfff.... (1, Funny)

ls671 (1122017) | about 5 years ago | (#29805649)

Slackware is at version 13 which makes it much more advanced than any version 7 could ever be.

Read how Slackware got to version 13 so quickly at this link, a quantum leap occurred in 1999:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org] ;-)))

P.S. Yes I use slackware...

Re:Pfff.... (1)

Bob_Who (926234) | about 5 years ago | (#29805749)

P.S. Yes I use slackware...

Praise "Bob"!!

Re:Pfff.... (1)

Skater (41976) | about 5 years ago | (#29805903)

I think Patrick said at the time that he was sick of people asking when he'd upgrade to "Linux 6". That still makes me chuckle.

Re:Pfff.... (2, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 5 years ago | (#29805951)

"It would be like 9/11 times 100."
"You mean..."
"Yes. Ninenty-one thousand, one hundred."

Disclaimer: Yes, the geek in me wanted to say 81.812 as well. Don't feel bad.

Avoiding the Wikipedia lies (1)

slack_justyb (862874) | about 5 years ago | (#29806361)

Since we know that Wikipedia lies all the time :-) I've included the link straight to the FAQ on Slackware. [slackware.com]

I think the next move will be to start making the release versions match up to the date it was released. Slackware 13.10.04. However, I'm a big supporter of Hexadecimal release numbers: Slackware D.A.4 FTW! However we should make it a point to avoid a 190.11.10-13 release, just too cheesy.

Bugger (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805651)

This has really taken the shine from my launch party...

Netherlands was first (5, Interesting)

thrakkattack (1646531) | about 5 years ago | (#29805701)

There was a release party in the small Dutch village of Zevenhuizen (' Seven houses') , last Saturday: http://www.windowszeven.nl/Windows_7_nieuws.php?post=76 [windowszeven.nl]

Re:Netherlands was first (0, Troll)

Yuioup (452151) | about 5 years ago | (#29806375)

Jeetje, wat een stelletje LOSERS zeg!

OEM Editions sent out in Germany last week (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29805713)

Got a pre-ordered OEM edition of Windows 7 Professional in the mail on Friday in Germany. Nice surprise!

disaster movies (1)

martas (1439879) | about 5 years ago | (#29805719)

Europe always gets hit first in disaster movies. Case in point - Scotland was first to freeze in The Day After Tomorrow. Though I bet a new ice age would be much less destructive that this...

[Just kidding. Though I will keep Vista on my machine for a while longer, I actually think 7 is a pretty good OS...]

Not really a big deal if (1)

fireylord (1074571) | about 5 years ago | (#29805739)

Doesn't make a huge difference for those of us using the rc with an evaluation license thats valid through q1 2010 (oh and i got my shipment email 40 minutes ago, guess its time to make the planned hardware changes prior to the new install)

The UK isn't a country (-1, Offtopic)

gbridge (746125) | about 5 years ago | (#29805751)

The UK isn't a country. It's a sovereign state or (if you really want to bring the word 'country' into it) an island country. Yes... I looked at Wikipedia to find the proper names. Learned a thing or two while I was there!

G.

Re:The UK isn't a country (0, Offtopic)

danhuby (759002) | about 5 years ago | (#29805791)

"Country" is very loosely defined, to the point that a statement like "The UK isn't a country" is completely baseless and meaningless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country [wikipedia.org]

Re:The UK isn't a country (0, Offtopic)

ledow (319597) | about 5 years ago | (#29805929)

Depending on your definition:

The UK is a country. (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)
Great Britain is a country. (comprising the countries of England, Scotland and Wales)
England is a country.

In fact, a lot of English people (i.e. actually from England) will use all three to mean exactly the same thing (usually the UK).

There is no set definition, and nobody refers to the UK as a sovereign state unless it's in some formal document somewhere... it's a country.

Re:The UK isn't a country (0, Offtopic)

lordandmaker (960504) | about 5 years ago | (#29806421)

I haven't come across anyone from England who'd refer to the whole thing as 'England'.

Re:The UK isn't a country (1, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | about 5 years ago | (#29806443)

You just met one. I do it all the time, and I'm not alone.

And American's do it a lot - "How's everything in England?" even if the person is in Wales, and referring to those people as "English". It's part-ignorance, part-fuzzy-definitions and part-convenience.

Re:The UK isn't a country (1, Insightful)

lordandmaker (960504) | about 5 years ago | (#29806491)

Oh, I know furriners do it all the time, particularly the Americans. That said, most of the people I know from England regard everything outside of the M25 as quaint and foreign.

Re:The UK isn't a country (1)

ledow (319597) | about 5 years ago | (#29807145)

You managed to stay in the queue long enough to make it outside the M25?

Re:The UK isn't a country (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806507)

It usually depends on the current status of Scotland, Wales & (snigger) Northern Ireland in the current World Cup qualifiers.

Re:The UK isn't a country (-1, Offtopic)

phonewebcam (446772) | about 5 years ago | (#29806033)

True. In fact being that sovereignty [wikipedia.org] means it itsn't even a democracy, technically.

It has been released in China as well (5, Funny)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | about 5 years ago | (#29805785)

It costs just about 3 USD [reuters.com] , probably its fair value...

Re:It has been released in China as well (1)

cerberusss (660701) | about 5 years ago | (#29806359)

FTFA:

Chinese have been able to buy pirated copies this month for just 20 yuan ($2.93) each

In my experience, a bit of haggling and threatening to walk away will bring the price down to 10 yuan. Assuming half goes to the retailer, that leaves about $0.73 for Bill and his gang of merry robbers :-)

Re:It has been released in China as well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806803)

Assuming half goes to the retailer, that leaves about $0.73 for Bill and his gang of merry robbers

For a pirated copy? You're doing it wrong!

Not exactly first... (1)

slasher999 (513533) | about 5 years ago | (#29805847)

Not exactly first if you include MSDN and TechEd subscribers. I've had the release version from MS for a week or two now, installed it last week over my RC build.

Does it provide browser poll? (0, Troll)

jkrise (535370) | about 5 years ago | (#29805919)

That is the most important question, more than general availability.

released early? (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 5 years ago | (#29805973)

all i can say is, "those poor bastards."

Re:released early? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806065)

Well, if you know you're in for some pain, best get it over with as soon as you can!

Precedent (1)

kooky45 (785515) | about 5 years ago | (#29805993)

Wasn't it a member of a political party in the UK who said

"Today is a good day to bury bad news."

Re:Precedent (0, Offtopic)

abigsmurf (919188) | about 5 years ago | (#29806021)

Princess Diana has died again?

Re:Precedent (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 5 years ago | (#29806535)

No, that one was Sept 11 [bbc.co.uk] .

In other news,TPB report expected UK Torrent storm (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | about 5 years ago | (#29805995)

Over the next 3 days

CRAAAAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806039)

The cappies and their plots for world domination... aaaaargh!

Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806055)

- The absence of a directory up button in the explorer. No I don't want to use alt-up when I'm with my hand on the mouse and don't get me started on the horrifying location bar!
- When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog. I just want to close my apps dammit!
- Programs can't be run off alternative filesystems when UAC is running because of a bug in the api.
- The absence of a 'Don't ask me for permission to confirm system changes until next session' option in UAC.
- Some other things I can't be bothered to remember right now.

Re:Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: (2, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | about 5 years ago | (#29806475)

When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog.

That behaviour has been present in Windows since at least XP - if no window has focus, then the Desktop has focus. Alt-F4 on the Desktop opens the shut down dialogue. There's nothing to fix here, it simply doesn't work the way you think it should.

Re:Hopefully they fixed these things from Vista: (4, Informative)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29806771)

- The absence of a directory up button in the explorer. No I don't want to use alt-up when I'm with my hand on the mouse and don't get me started on the horrifying location bar!

Wait, backspace doesn't work anymore?! (Not using Vista, can't verify.) Yes, the location bar is a pain, but clicking the empty region gets you to the editable path box – directory structure delimited by backslashes, as you wanted.

- When there's a number of windows, but none have focus, and one uses alt-f4, one immidiately gets a shutdown dialog. I just want to close my apps dammit!

Jesus Christ, and hitting "Esc" is too much trouble for you? It's not like this is unexpected or new behavior (as the other responder has pointed out).

You want a close-all hotkey? Never existed. You want it added? That's not a "fix", it's an addition.

- The absence of a 'Don't ask me for permission to confirm system changes until next session' option in UAC.

That's called "turning UAC off", and while discouraged it's entirely possible.

Shocking! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806083)

/. actually covers something about Windows and gets it wrong.

The poor poor british (1)

plague911 (1292006) | about 5 years ago | (#29806103)

I bet they never even saw it coming.

ATTENTION, SELECT CUSTOMERS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806107)

All of you "hurr this has been out on MSDN" freetards need to understand that these are licenses reserved for specific uses, and if you're going to install copies for general use outside what you/your organisation signed up to (with an actual contract signature - not like EULAs) then you might as well just bittorrent.

The legal general release is around now, not August.

Rest In Peace *BSD, Mac OS X etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29806447)

You are all so f****ng dead now. Living on your knees since Vista, this will be the final blow to you. No need to to even mention "Linux", as it's been out of the desktop equation since before dinosaurs died.

Not about pay (3, Informative)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 5 years ago | (#29806511)

Minor correction to the story, the dispute isn't really about pay, it's about changes in working conditions. There are some aspects that cover what counts as overtime so pay is involved, but it's not just "we want more money".

last week (1)

devobtch (1660545) | about 5 years ago | (#29806551)

i got my copy last thursday from zipzoomfly oem version

More accurate (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | about 5 years ago | (#29806593)

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the postal service is threatening industrial inaction over pay?

Release now... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | about 5 years ago | (#29806685)

Patch later?

Re:Release now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29807013)

That's something MS and the OSS world have in common.

despatched (1)

Insane_Homer (961013) | about 5 years ago | (#29806801)

I just got a despatch Notification from Amazon that my Windows 7 Home Premium is in the Royal Mail... so I'll maybe get it tomorrow, but probably next week if the strike goes ahead.

early? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29807029)

The place i work has Windows 7 ultimate for sale for the past few weeks!
(legal copies)

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