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The Kindle Killer Arrives

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the got-wi-fi dept.

Books 542

GeekZilla sends coverage from Wired's Gadget Lab on the Nook, Barnes & Noble's first e-book reader. "Sleek, stylish and runs the Android OS. What's not to like about Barnes and Noble's new e-book reader? Despite the odd name, the Nook looks like an eBook reader that would actually be a worthwhile investment. Best feature? The ability to loan e-books you have downloaded to other Nook owners. The reader, named the 'Nook,' looks a lot like Amazon's white plastic e-book, only instead of the chiclet-keyboard there is a color multi-touch screen, to be used as both a keyboard or to browse books, cover-flow style. The machine runs Google's Android OS, will have wireless capability from an unspecified carrier, and comes in at the same $260 as the now rather old-fashioned-looking Kindle." Here is the B&N Nook site, which is still not visible on their front page and has a few non-working links. (Nook.com isn't set up yet.) Their comparison page takes dead aim at the Kindle. Among the advantages in the Nook's column: Wi-Fi, expandable memory via microSD, MP3 player, and PDF compatibility. (But remember the cautionary note B&N struck six years back when they got out of the e-book business.)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813207)

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dont quit you dayjob (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813427)

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i'm not paying $250 to buy books (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813221)

i'll buy the paper books or download them on my iphone via the kindle or B&N reader apps. loaning books sounds like a good option and i hope they bring it to the B&N iphone app. with websites like Goodreads that link to facebook, it can be a viral marketing strategy

Re:i'm not paying $250 to buy books (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813375)

I just bought the $199 Sony reader and love it. E-ink is a big improvment over LCD screens for reading. Note - still wading through free book downloads from legimate sources - there are tons of reader-compatible free books out there.

Re:i'm not paying $250 to buy books (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813703)

i'll buy the paper books or download them on my iphone via the kindle or B&N reader apps. loaning books sounds like a good option and i hope they bring it to the B&N iphone app. with websites like Goodreads that link to facebook, it can be a viral marketing strategy

These will be instantly obsolete when someone (Apple?) perfects the tablet, single purpose devices won't be competitive. Of course this is just my opinion but the only real advantage I see is e-ink and that won't cut it against a multi-purpose reading, browsing, etc. device unless you're a publisher who does nothing all day but read.

Re:i'm not paying $250 to buy books (3, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813755)

Have you ever tried to read an entire book on an iPhone? I get serious eyestrain after about 30 minutes, I can't imagine sitting there with that light shining directly into my eyes for hours at a time. The real strength of e-book readers is not the whizbang features, all of which are easily duplicated in any given smartphone, but rather in the screen itself, which is conducive to reading for extended periods of time with, in theory, no more eyestrain than a regular book.

Having said that, I'm still not ready to jump on the e-book bandwagon. The price is still a tad high, and there's too much uncertainty with the distribution models out there, like Amazon's deal with being able to arbitrarily revoke access to your own books and whatnot. Once they can give me a standard open e-book format that allows me to download books from anywhere, for pay or not, and keep them forever, and once they sell the readers at sub-$200 prices, I'll probably take the plunge.

The OS would only matter if the device is open (4, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813229)

Can users install their own apps or replace the OS? If not, I don't see how use of Android OS would matter.

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813247)

buy a netbook and install linux

this is an ebook reader, what is the point of installing another version of linux and other apps when netbooks have more features for the same price

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (5, Insightful)

iamacat (583406) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813275)

I can get a netbook with an e-paper screen that makes battery last for two weeks? Sweet!

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (5, Insightful)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813737)

Yes. Why do the iPhone and netbook people not get this. Every time an ebook story comes out I have to hear the same ill advice about how sitting in a hammock with an LCD screen that I can't read outside is a better alternative.

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813435)

buy a netbook and install linux

this is an ebook reader, what is the point of installing another version of linux and other apps when netbooks have more features for the same price

More features doesn't necessarily mean better features. In this case, the point is to have the option to add more desirable features on top of an already desirable feature set.

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (2, Insightful)

BStocknd (762377) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813699)

So sick of hearing the 'why buy an ebook reader when [some device] can do way more', and that device never has the e-ink display. The whole point of these readers is the display.

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (3, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813477)

Well wait till its been officially released and in the store before you ask for Linux on it. ;-)

If history is any guide it might take a week and a half for someone to post a hack.

But even in the absence of that, the fact that it is Android DOES matter, because Android is growing rapidly, its open source, and has a lot of support from a lot of companies and individuals (and its basically Linux under the skin).

This means there is an upgrade path for the device. Its not a dead-end device, and OS upgrades will likely become available, both official (B&N), and unofficial.

Re:The OS would only matter if the device is open (1)

elnyka (803306) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813613)

Can users install their own apps or replace the OS? If not, I don't see how use of Android OS would matter.

It would matter for the manufacturer if it helps it reduce software development costs, thus reducing time-to-market, manufacturing costs.

This would matter to the company (and its sofware developers and hardware manufacturers and every other 3rd party company, down to individual developers involved in its manufacture) as it would improve its ability to be competitive, by increasing their ability to reduce pricing (a-la ZOMG! Sunday sale!!11).

This would also matter to the end-user (the average of which cares more about reading content than being teh l33t hax0r (or p0s3r). It'd matter to him in that it increases her chances of getting a quality e-reader at a lower price (or get more features for the same price.)

It would also matter for the Android OS community (and Linux at large) in that it would prove, once again, that it is possible to produce a hell of a product using FOSS.

Not everything that matter to the open source community (or software innovation in general) revolves around "gee, can I play open source mommy-n-daddy with it and insert my e-weener up its USB port"? Amazing, I know!

A little early (5, Insightful)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813245)

The Kindle Killer Arrives

How do you kill that which has no life?

Re:A little early (5, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813379)

The same way the iPod killed the MPman, Rio, and other early-to-market MP3 players.

Now the iPod is like Kleenex or Hoover - the generic name for all players. Maybe the new Nook will become similarly popular and kill-off Kindle? I actually had one of my coworkers tell me that iPod is the only "true" player and I should stop using "ipod knockoffs" like Insignia. My attempt to tell him that iPod was not the first player, and actually arrived 3 years after the first was met with skepticism ("Don't be stupid. Apple was first.")

Re:A little early (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813589)

[Shrug] It's no more stupid than those people who think there was more than one Matrix movie.

Re:A little early (0, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813781)

There's nothing wrong with Matrix 2 and 3, except that they should have been merged as one single movie and shortened to three hours. I suspect the decision to divide them in half was a marketing decision (per usual) and ruined what could have been a good story. Damn greedy marketers. They are the same ones ruining music via the Loudness War.

Will it be DRM inside? (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813253)

I know the G1 has some DRM issues, and that irritates me. Will this new e-reader also have them? If so, how pervasive and extensive will it be? It sounds like they intend to allow PDF reading. So maybe you can just avoid buying anything with DRM on it?

Re:Will it be DRM inside? (3, Insightful)

drdanny_orig (585847) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813595)

Limiting your ability to "loan" books out to only 14 days sounds like DRM to me. As long as e-content has limitations not present in real books, there's no compelling reason for me to switch.

Re:Will it be DRM inside? (1)

Z1NG (953122) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813861)

Limiting your ability to "loan" books out to only 14 days sounds like DRM to me. As long as e-content has limitations not present in real books, there's no compelling reason for me to switch.

It would be nice if this had lending properties more similar to a traditional book, but at least this is a step in the right direction. I like the idea of giving no time limit, but only allowing one person to view the files at a time (I imagine this would be nearly impossible to implement though).

Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813261)

It provides a nice readable display, and more importantly doesn't make me open my wallet to buy a separate gadget.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (2, Insightful)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813325)

Who says you suddenly can't use your iPhone to read books now that B&N has their own reader which might appeal to other people?

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (2, Informative)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813397)

How does the availability of dedicated ebook readers prevent you from using your iPhone? If it does it must be you, because Stanza has worked for me for more than a year and delivered several books without my opening my wallet.

If I read ebooks anywhere other than on planes I might spring for something else, as the iPhone is a marginal substitute.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813447)

>>the iPhone is a marginal substitute.

One disadvantage is the power consumption. iPhone lasts about 8 hours and apparently these e-paper gadgets can last a week of daily reading. So maybe I was too quick to criticize.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (4, Informative)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813677)

I have a Kindle, and when I turn the wireless feature off, I've had a single charge last for 2 weeks of reading averaging 2+ hours a day, at a pretty regular rate. With eInk displays, it's the number of page turns that eats power - slower readers might have better results.

A second reason is that the iPhone display, while nice, is still back-lit and still gives me headaches if I read off of it for extended periods of time. eInk looks more or less like paper and doesn't operate by shining a bright light in my face.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

day2day (1656671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813717)

I like to use both. The kindle and iPhone. I don't carry the kindle everywhere with me so the phone is handy when you have a little time to kill. When I turn the Kindle on it automatically syncs to the last page I read on the phone.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813811)

The other disadvantage is that the screen is really fucking small.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813875)

Unless you regularly go without charging that iPhone of yours for a week at a time, why would that matter? You're probably charging every night anyway, aren't you?

I'd also bet that the iPhone lasts a lot longer than just 8 hours of reading eBooks... hell, my HTC Prophet does that, and it's ancient. Newer WinMo devices will double or triple that...

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

hallucinogen (1263152) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813429)

Is your iPhone's 'nice readable' display 6" in size? Does it last 10 days without a recharge? iPhone 3GS with JB makes a nice mp3 player and an okay phone. It's also a semi funtional internets wise. However as an e-book reader it fails miserably.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813517)

It provides a nice readable display, and more importantly doesn't make me open my wallet to buy a separate gadget.

Meh. I've tried reading books on my iPhone and it's just too small to be a comfortable read. Plus the battery life sucks.

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813571)

For some values of "readable" this might be true.

But I have the B&N reader, as well as Stanza and Kindle reader on the iPhone, and believe me it is a reading platform of last resort. Stuck on a train/plane/hotel-room; fine.

Anywhere else, no thanks.

Too small, too little info per page (no possible way to skim a book on that tiny screen) and a battery life of a new york minute.

Yes, you CAN use your iPhone. There's an App for that, but jeeze, talk about a platform mismatch!

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

shadowofwind (1209890) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813583)

It provides a nice readable display, and more importantly doesn't make me open my wallet to buy a separate gadget.

An iPhone has weird bugs. For instance, when reading /. on an iPhone 3G like I am right now, it won't let me post except in reply to an existing user comment. This can be awkward if what I want to say is irrelevant to any other post. Which brings me to my second point....

What good to a nook is a hook cook book?

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (2, Funny)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813813)

I've used my iPhone and prefer my Kindle. Battery life, ease of reading and display size are all good reasons why I don't like reading on the iPhone. You might like it but for me it's like trying to watch p0rn through a keyhole - still entertaining but I'd much rather have a front seat!

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813821)

Well you can, but you'd miss out on some -amazing- exclusive features of B&N nook that you're probably noticing on the comparison page and salivating over. Specifically:

-Free Wi-Fi in all Barnes & Noble Stores
-Exclusive content when in your local Barnes & Noble store
-Try reader in store before buying
-Replaceable colorful back cover

I love it when marketers stuff absurd stuff in there. Really? I can't get "exclusive content" while I'm in a barnes and noble on my kindle? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (4, Funny)

dissy (172727) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813831)

Why can't I just use my iPhone?

Didn't read the manual? Fingers all thumbs? Is it turned on?

Without further information, I will be unable to diagnose further why you are unable to use your iPhone.

/joke :P

Re:Why can't I just use my iPhone? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813835)

It provides a nice readable display

Ha ha ha ha! Oh god, that's good... yeah, a tiny little backlit colour screen. That's *way* more readable than a page-sized e-ink display.

Unspecified carrier? It's AT&T. (5, Informative)

Radhruin (875377) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813271)

... will have wireless capability from an unspecified carrier ...

According to the comparison sheet [barnesandnoble.com] , they're using AT&T.

Re:Unspecified carrier? It's AT&T. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813559)

Well, I won't be buying one then. Why does an ebook reader have to be tied to a phone carrier? Seems you should be able to buy a book from any phone and zap it to the reader with wifi or bluetooth.

Well, after B&N's site finally loaded (almost slashdotted I guess), maybe it would be ok, since it does have wifi.

Re:Unspecified carrier? It's AT&T. (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813689)

So why submit the post? It has wifi, how does having the ability to also use a cell phone network matter? I'm sure you could break it if it is that big a deal.

Re:Unspecified carrier? It's AT&T. (1)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813693)

That's what the iPhone is on, and there's a B&N ebook reader on the iPhone. (I haven't tried it yet, not being all that fond of buying ebooks, but overall I find the iPhone to be a decent reader if the software's good.)

Re:Unspecified carrier? It's AT&T. (4, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813701)

From the Support Faq:

Q: Will I be charged wireless fees? Do I need any sort of contract?
A: No. There is no charge for your nook's wireless features. You do not need a contract.

So free wifi AND 3G from ATT, apparently for life of the product.

hmm (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813313)

Some wireless. Less space than a kindle. Lame.

Re:hmm (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813799)

At least it seems to have plastic back, not metal one... (seriously, what idiot manager at Amazon thought making the case of a book cold & fingerprint attracting was a good idea?)

Wait for the fine print (3, Interesting)

Asklepius M.D. (877835) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813319)

From the website: "Most eBooks can be lent for up to 14 days at a time." So I'll wait to see the fine print before I jump for joy at another potentially crippled bit of electronics. I'll wait for a few months to see whether they've retained the power to delete user data or go about bricking the thing once someone "opens" it. If they reserve the 14 day to only titles under active copyright, then I'll be a bit more amenable to the gizmo (although eInk's refresh rate after a page turn still drives me up the wall). I simply don't trust any party related to the publishing and distribution industries to provide a device that simply meets my needs without resorting to underhanded tactics to impose their own agenda at a later date.

Re:Wait for the fine print (4, Funny)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813759)

While you LEND a book, you can't read it. The other party can read it (without paying for it). Then you get it back and you can read it but the other party can't.

What could be Fairer than that? Its exactly like a paper book, except the other party can't fail to return your book.

Jeeze, I wish I could get this plan for the tools I lend to my neighbor!

Canada (1)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813337)

We're going to get screwed over again aren't we? Can't kill the kindle up here because it's not around to begin with.

Re:Canada (2, Interesting)

SilverJets (131916) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813407)

Yep. Even the "international" version of the Kindle is not available in Canada. WTF is up with that?

Re:Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813445)

We're going to get screwed over again aren't we?

Can't be helped; that's what you get for being canadian.

Where do the ebooks come from? (1)

LordAndrewSama (1216602) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813363)

The summary says nothing about where the ebooks come from, so does a book store allow the mere users to load any ebooks they like, or is it encumbered with DRM so mortals may only read the books B&S sells? I see it reads PDFs at least.

Lending to friends(In TFA) sounds suspiciously like copying, which distributors are supposed to hate, so how does one "lend books to friends"? is there a limit to how long they read for, before the file is deleted? or perhaps you can only lend them the first few chapters?

Looks spiffy, but I'm wary of the DRM it'll undoubtedly have. Will wait and see what others say about it first.

Re:Where do the ebooks come from? (1)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813471)

I'd be willing to bet that as long as you're 'lending' the book to someone, you're not able to access it yourself.

Re:Where do the ebooks come from? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813709)

At the company I work for we cannot take any orders from B&N over the phone since B&N contests every single bill. We need to have a hard copy of every B&N order for B&N to pay us. We often have to put B&N on hold for non-payment.

What does this have to do with anything? Just putting it there that that is how B&N operates. They do their best to not pay for jack shit. If they are going to be distributing E-books I imagine they will screw publishers over even harder.

It's not obvious? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813879)

This will have DRM. It's that simple.

When you lend a book, you lock yourself out of that title on your reader for 14 days (Well, it's probably configurable up to 14 days). The copy sent to your friend is a time limited DRM version that self destructs (does not allow access) after the loan period, and can't be re-forwarded. Think of it as a more restrictive copy-once version of DRM.

This means two things
(1) it will be cracked and there will be ebooks floating around, but it will be fringe in quantity
(2) you can lend your ebook very similarly to lending a real book (you can't read it but your friend can), with the "bonus" that you automatically get the book back in two weeks.
(3) this means you can't give away or resell with this mechanism

Take these as the advantages and disadvantages that they are. It's a step up from Kindle.

The real killer question: remote deletion? (5, Insightful)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813381)

The real killer question is whether it supports remote deletion like the Kindle does [slashdot.org] . The feature comparison [barnesandnoble.com] doesn't mention this. Of course we'll only really know for sure [wikipedia.org] if and when the feature is actually used; claims that it doesn't support it can't really be trusted (and the feature might be added in a later firmware update anyway).

Re:The real killer question: remote deletion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813567)

MOD PARENT UP. This, and DRM, are The questions everyone ought to be asking about e-readers.

Re:The real killer question: remote deletion? (2, Insightful)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813807)

I know you're going for "informative" or whatever, but seriously - even Amazon acknowledged that they fucked up big time by remote-nuking 1984, and reversed it. While you'll never know for sure (unless someone is dumb enough to risk their business by doing that again) if this device or any other has that capability, I think it's reasonable to think that most businesses making such devices don't want to shit where they eat by doing a known bad thing.

Re:The real killer question: remote deletion? (1)

mystik (38627) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813871)

on the feature comparison site it's labeled as "Over-the-Air software updates"

I don't really count that as a feature given Amazon's recent abuse of it.

why white? (1)

GSpot (134221) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813385)

Why do all consumer electronic devices these days only come in -one- color, white. Thanks Apple, now all my gear looks like it was plucked out of Woody Allen's "Sleeper." I was so glad when the 70's ended, now I have to re-live that horrible decade each time I pick up my remote, ipod, etc. bleech.

Re:why white? (3, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813563)

No, no, you got it wrong. The "everything white" decor only existed in sci-fi shows, not in real life. See Buck Rogers.

1970s decor is the "fake woodgrain panel" look, as epitomized by the classic Atari game console. Even my old 70s television looks like it was made from fake wood. If you really wanted to make your iPod or Kindle have the 70s look, slap some paste-on woodgrain on the front. Like so: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XzjG65PlXj4/SluT0Q1RIiI/AAAAAAAAA-M/aZphER_TxdU/s400/woodipop.jpg [blogspot.com]

Re:why white? (1)

confused one (671304) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813641)

woodgrain... woodgrain and black plastic. or fake chrome, don't forget the fake chrome. Everything was woodgrain with black plastic or fake chrome trim.

Carrier is AT&T? (0, Redundant)

Ktistec Machine (159201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813399)

"an unspecified carrier" seems to be AT&T. At the bottom of this page:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/features/techspecs/

is a link labeled "Check the coverage viewer" that points to

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp

Book Selection (2, Interesting)

thesaint05 (850634) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813423)

As a current Kindle 2 owner, the thing that matters the most (at least to me) is book selection. An e-reader is only as useful as the books you can put on it. B&Ns claims of "over a million titles available" (thereby claiming they have more titles then the what's available for the Kindle) is spurious at best, as I believe (IIRC) it includes a lot of free public domain books, books that are freely available on the Kindle, just not necessarily from the Kindle store. Sure, it's nice that they include more of those books in their own store, but that doesn't mean their EXCLUSIVE selection is any better. For anybody looking to compare Nook from Kindle, look at which books are available in the respective stores first.

Re:Book Selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813549)

Why do they have to have an EXCLUSIVE selection.
That's what i like about paperbooks. I only need eyes to read them, and those aren't EXCLUSIVE.

Re:Book Selection (1)

elnyka (803306) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813683)

As a current Kindle 2 owner, the thing that matters the most (at least to me) is book selection. An e-reader is only as useful as the books you can put on it. B&Ns claims of "over a million titles available" (thereby claiming they have more titles then the what's available for the Kindle) is spurious at best, as I believe (IIRC) it includes a lot of free public domain books, books that are freely available on the Kindle, just not necessarily from the Kindle store. Sure, it's nice that they include more of those books in their own store, but that doesn't mean their EXCLUSIVE selection is any better. For anybody looking to compare Nook from Kindle, look at which books are available in the respective stores first.

Bingo. One of the things that bother me as an otherwise happy Kindle 2 user is the selection of books available. Up and until recently, it was hard to get compsci/programming text books for it. Now that is changing. However, there is a dismal disparity between what is available for the Kindle and what's available in print. There is a large selection of books on Mathematics, Systems Engineering and Sci-Fi that I'd love to get for the Kindle, but they aren't available yet (and w/o any word when that will happen.)

If B&N is the same as Amazon, it will be the same - a good e-reader but an anemic selection of commercial e-books available for it.

Re:Book Selection (1)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813777)

B&N also has this habit of taking great books that are out of copyright, putting them in nice bindings, and selling them cheap. If they're willing to let me have free public domain books through a convenient channel, that's good, isn't it?

You can't delete my actual books... (1, Insightful)

RileyBryan (1475681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813479)

I'm not getting into this crap where you can control what I can and cannot read. Take your orwellian device and cram it.

So did everyone else pretty much (2, Insightful)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813489)

"But remember the cautionary note B&N struck six years back when they got out of the e-book business."

A great deal has changed in six years. Small computing has become more ubiquitous with the arrival of the netbook, high capacity flash devices are a lot more common, low power cpu's more common, wireless hot spots vastly more common...

Re:So did everyone else pretty much (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813787)

A great deal has changed in six years. Small computing has become more ubiquitous with the arrival of the netbook, high capacity flash devices are a lot more common, low power cpu's more common, wireless hot spots vastly more common...

And e-ink displays, which I personally find icky due to the insanely slow screen updates, and light-gray on dark-gray ultra low contrast, but some people actually like that...

How can you kill it?? (1)

pablo_max (626328) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813499)

Seriously, I travel a fair amount for work and I have seen literally 1 person using a kindle. I dont know..maybe people only use that at home, but to me it seems this is a device type with astonishingly little market penetration relative to actual books or ipod/iphone what have you.
That being the case, the only thing to take away from the kindle is media hype. IMO at least.

Yeah, but how's the DRM? (4, Interesting)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813529)

If their titles are bogged down with DRM I'm not buying it. Not as a political or philosophical statement; I've just burned my hand on that stove too many times. The music companies have figured it out (or at least have been clubbed into submission). Hopefully the book publishers will come to their senses as well.

Re:Yeah, but how's the DRM? (2, Insightful)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813793)

There's more than that, when you think of all the times we've been burned:

  - Archivability ? physical book can go on shelf, can ebook be stored outside of reader device?
  - Format conversion? can I export passages as raw text?
  - Right of resale? used ebooks?
  - Annontations? can i write in margins?
  - Distribution? can I read the book aloud? to a group?
  - Expiration? can the content be revoked?

Re:Yeah, but how's the DRM? (1)

jockeys (753885) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813851)

- Annontations? can i write in margins?

can't comment on the rest, but from the nook site:

"nook retains important reading rituals like bookmarking, making notes, and highlighting passages. "
not sure exactly how that's implemented, but they've at least thought of it.

Low sales ahead in the UK? Nook-e anybody?! (4, Insightful)

fantomas (94850) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813593)

Low sales ahead in the UK as British punters embarrassed to go into their book shops and libraries and ask for Nook e-books? :-)

For non-UK folks, "Nooky" is cheeky old fashioned slang for sex, so "nooky book" would mean a porno novel....

Re:Low sales ahead in the UK? Nook-e anybody?! (1)

musicalmicah (1532521) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813825)

I'm pretty sure just about everyone in the United States calls it "nookie" but gives it roughly the same definition.

international? (2, Insightful)

Bysshe (1330263) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813635)

does it hvae the inernation wireless feature that the latest kindle has?

If not its not a kindle killer. Remember folks, there is the REST OF THE WORLD

More importantly (1)

tthomas48 (180798) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813657)

Is this an iPod Touch killer also? I'm waiting for a hand-held android device that doesn't require a cell plan.

Worst Name Ever. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813735)

Is it just me, or does the name "Nook" make you uncomfortable. I don't know if it sounds more like a nuclear weapon or racial slur...

Let's see... (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813739)

What's not to like about Barnes and Noble's new e-book reader?

PDF support? Check.
WiFi? Check
eInk? Check
SD reader? Check
Battery life? 10 days

I'm not seeing a downside yet.

Okay, so I own an older Kindle, here's my POV... (4, Interesting)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813741)

I can read PDF just fine - the conversion process can be done in multiple ways and costs me a few pennies down to nothing for the Kindle. So that's no biggie. The MP3 player? I have that on my multiple year old Kindle too - I have YET to EVER use it so that's no biggie. The expandable memory? I have that on mine too but it's SD and they killed it on the new version - stupid of them IMO. That said the new Kindle has more base memory and quite frankly if it's just books you're putting on there it will hold a metric shit-ton of books! The average paperback book I get is under a meg and I have gigs of storage on my device. So, while a nice touch this advantage isn't that big a deal to me.The color touch screen for nav I don't get, what's the advantage? If it uses more power then I don't want it - make the device like the Energizer Bunny and last a long long time and I'm happy. Things like refresh rate changing pages are a bigger deal to me than this gimmick, honestly refresh on my old unit is okay by me.

Having owned and used an eBook reader for a good long time now I can tell you that capacity, battery life, and coverage for the radio are big concerns for ME. My very biggest concern is availability of BOOKS at decent prices - more magazines would be nice. That's what I am buying the thing for and if it cannot give me a ton of access to books then it's worthless. Right now Amazon gives me all the books I can absorb, with rare exception, at somewhat decent discount rates. Lending is nice but 14 days isn't long enough for most - I've seen how slow some people are with reading! Give it a full screen that does color I might be more interested but not at the expense of most of the battery life.

Really for me this is a yawner unless it starts a price war on content. I know I'm locked in with Amazon DRM but I also know how to break it if I really wanted to - I've got the tools. If I had NO eReader then yeah sure this would be more interesting but their past with eBooks would give me pause . Anyway, nice to see more entries into this realm. Perhaps with more and more readers coming out someone will make the breaking of Amazon DRM a little bit easier and more automated? That would be helpful!!

Ebook Price (1)

Z1NG (953122) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813773)

I like the idea of ebooks and dedicated ebook readers. I have one major problems with them, I can often pick up a used copy of the book for a significant savings over the ebook price.

How tough is it (1)

InPastaItrust (1275712) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813785)

I can stick a book on my pocket and know that when I pull it out it will still work. E-book readers are way to easy to break. Was reading my kindle in bed went to refill my coffee sat back in bed and crunch 300 dollars in the waste basket.

Plastic Logic's QUE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29813805)

Plastic Logic's QUE will be released in January at CES:
http://www.slashgear.com/plastic-logic-que-wireless-ebook-reader-gets-ces-launch-1860791

"QUE will be able to download ebooks from the Barnes and Noble store either via WiFi or integrated 3G (courtesy of AT&T in the US)."

I'll Show Them (1)

auctoris (888249) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813809)

I never bought DRM music so I'm not going to buy DRM books. I always bought the CDs and ripped the music in a friendly non-DRM format. Now, for books, I'll just scan each of my books into a friendly non-DRM format--one page at a time. That'll show the book publishers that their DRM can't affect my life!

Devices devices devices (1)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 4 years ago | (#29813845)

As a suggestion to manufacturers: Please offer a laptop lid or overlay with an eInk screen & drivers, and leave the rest to us.

  The closer we see these things with open-able underpinnings, the more I'll trust them. If it simply started as an eInk peripheral (does that word date me?), I think we'd be way ahead of the game. But then again the publishers would be sour on that, I'm sure.

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