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Colorado Newspaper Looking for Marijuana Reviewer

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the missed-this-at-the-job-fair dept.

Idle 171

Westword, an "alternative" newspaper in Denver, has placed an ad for a medicinal marijuana reviewer. The paper has been running reviews by a staff writer, but the writer "wanted to return to the day job," opening up the position. Applicants must write a short essay on "What Marijuana Means To Me," and a MacGyver-like ability to make a bong out of common household objects is a plus.

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171 comments

If you're going to have idle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29824683)

please post something that hasn't been posted all over the internet for weeks now.

Macgyver-like ability to make a bong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29824717)

Macgyver would have built a vaporizer.

Re: Macgyver-like ability to make a bong (3, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824945)

And then MacGuyver would build a fractionating column to distill hash oil to use in his vaporizer, so the quality of the marijuana would matter very little to MacGuyver, and he wouldn't need these reviews.

Macgyver, MacGuyver (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825165)

And then he'd go on a munchies-induced rampage killing and eating Zoanoids.

Re: Macgyver-like ability to make a bong (0)

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Bong? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29824733)

Just a FYI, the medical marijuana community normally encourages the use of vaporizers instead of smoking. This involves heating the plant material just enough to vaporize the active ingredients, but not enough to ignite it and cause smoke/ash. The result is a smoother, easier administration of your medicine (or recreational drug) without the tar and carcinigans associated with smoking. It also doesn't stink up the house.

Re:Bong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29824981)

You can also re-vaporize the ash once you run out of money and your tolerance fades.

Re:Bong? (4, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825005)

The medical marijuana community encourages the use of techniques including vaporizing, tinctures, hash oil and other concentrates, pot goodies like brownies, and other methods of reducing harm. People with severe HIV or cancer often can't even use a vaporizer, so edibles or tinctures are called for. People using marijuana as replacement therapy for harder drugs sometimes don't have the money for a vaporizer, and need a longer lasting high, so they are encouraged to try edibles.

Remember, pipes and joints and even vaporizers spread hepatitis. Use a chillum when sharing.

Re:Bong? (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825345)

But doesn't that lead to a vicious cycle?

Man, those brownies were some good stuff. But now I've got a case of the muchies. Oh, look, brownies!

Re:Bong? (4, Funny)

xanadu113 (657977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825783)

I believe you mean a positive feedback loop... =)

Re:Bong? (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825621)

Remember, pipes and joints and even vaporizers spread hepatitis. Use a chillum when sharing.

How does using a chillum differ from using a pipe? Perhaps "chillum" means something different to you and me--I hear the term in reference to a straight pipe; that is, the bowl is not at all angled and is directly opposite the mouthpiece.

I would think a bong (properly used) would be the safest method of sharing, as at no point is any part of the piece in your mouth.

Re:Bong? (3, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825725)

You are correct, a chillum is a straight pipe. It was designed to be held in a cupped hand, sticking up from between two fingers. Then suck from your cupped hand, rather than directly from the chillum. A bong must touch your mouth. Maybe not inside your mouth, but it must touch around your lips, so it isn't safe.

Re:Bong? (1, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827255)

Yeah and when you go to kiss someone, always kiss them through a large sheet of latex. Wear gloves whenever touching anything too. In fact, don't even look at anything!

Re:Bong? (1)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827885)

Well I'll be damned. I had no idea they were intended to be used that way. Looks like I have some research to attend to. Thanks for the info.

Re:Bong? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826623)

The problem with edibles is that it takes upwards of six times the amount you'd normally combust to get the same effect.

Edibles don't even work on me for some reason. I can eat a whole pan of brownies and don't feel anything.

Re:Bong? (2, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826821)

My guess is, you aren't making them right. When I worked in the business, my roommate, a chef with quite a bit of baking experience, made them regularly to sell to the clubs. He would use leftover trimmings that aren't really fit to be sold for smoking. His recipe consisted of a lot of clarified butter, a little vodka, and a lot of trimmings, simmer gently for 24 hours. Then squeeze through a cheesecloth and use the butter in recipes.

I'm a heavyweight when it comes to pot, but I wouldn't want to eat more than half a brownie or cookie of his. As they were made with leftover trimming that wouldn't get sold for smoking anyway, the large amount being used in each goody is a moot point.

Re:Bong? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827701)

Remember, pipes and joints and even vaporizers spread hepatitis. Use a chillum when sharing.

Better yet, don't smoke out with scumbags. You're much less likely to get disgusting, life-threatening diseases when you refuse to socialize with human sewage. A person with HIV is little more than a petri dish full of God's wrath.

Re:Bong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29828359)

I personally take a lighter to the edge mouth piece of friends bong, hopefully that burns off the germs and than I wipe it with my shirt.

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29825181)

It DOES still stink up the house.

Re:Actually (1)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825935)

Not really actually. I mean, it's not entirely odorless, but it's certainly better than lighting up a doober in the living room. Or so I've heard.

Re:Actually (1)

elloGov (1217998) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825977)

I concur this fact from experience :)

Re:Actually (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826183)

Why don't you just blow it toward a window fan, so it stinks up the outside for the neighbors?

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827089)

you're doing it wrong

Re:Bong? (1)

smilnrt (1648147) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825659)

Sounds like you are qualified for this position! :o)

Re:Bong? (1)

xanadu113 (657977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825661)

This involves heating the plant material just enough to vaporize the active ingredients, but not enough to ignite it and cause smoke/ash.

The temperature range for vaporizing cannabis Is 180 - 200 C (356 - 392 F). Now maybe someone can post in here how to build your own vaporizer?

Re:Bong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29825869)

One of the easiest ways is to adapt a heating element that is used for soldering. Not the soldering iron itself, but the thing (don't know the proper name) that is used to keep a small pool of the soldering alloy in the liquid state. The investment is around $70 and you can flick it on with a switch. Buying a better model or hacking the poor man's allows you to control the temperature. Put a glass top over it, with a pipe, small hose or a straw and you're ready.

Re:Bong? (2, Informative)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826031)

An even easier model is some kind of tube, a lightbulb and a lighter to heat it with. It does require some skill though and if you use it too many times the glass will most likely crack.

All it takes is to plug "lightbulb vaporizer" into Google and you'll get all the info you need.

/Mikael

Re:Bong? (1)

King Coopa (1374689) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825799)

If you want to try the effects of a vaporizer without having to throw down the money, try looking up "knife hits"

Re:Bong? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827201)

Just a FYI, the medical marijuana community normally encourages the use of vaporizers instead of smoking.

Who is "the medical marijuana community"? Sure, there are many folks who advocate vaporizers, but there are also many fully satisfied with joints and bong hits, and the dispensaries will certainly dispense the medicine in any form. I'd bet that the overwhelming majority of medical pot is smoked in the usual ways, not vaporized or consumed in brownies.

Sign me up! (1)

FoolishBluntman (880780) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824803)

Hey!, I'll volunteer.

Re:Sign me up! (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825121)

Well, you certainly have an oddly appropriate name for a marijuana reviewer! It wouldn't be my first choice of names for someone I was seeking to hire for programming, however.

Re:Sign me up! (1)

FoolishBluntman (880780) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826145)

Strange but true, I make over $200K/year writing software.
I write amazing software but still smoke(vaporize) occasionally.
Don't blame me, I'm a child of the 60's

How is this a FRONT PAGE story? (0, Offtopic)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824809)

C'mon Slashdot, you can do better than that.

Re:How is this a FRONT PAGE story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29825395)

But I don't wanna. Tomorrow maybe.

Sounds like a great job (3, Funny)

u4ya (1248548) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824845)

But what would you do to relax after a long day's work?

Re:Sounds like a great job (4, Funny)

sanosuke001 (640243) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824913)

Morphine

Re:Sounds like a great job (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824961)

Coffee?

Re:Sounds like a great job (4, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825091)

I did computer security for a major San Francisco medical marijuana club, a very well respected non-profit group that was instrumental in working with the city health department to craft guidelines and city card procedures, and with the police in sensitivity training. After a long day of product testing, I relaxed with some more product testing.

All in all, you'd be surprised by the high quality of work that got done. And so would I, as I can't remember any of it.

Re:Sounds like a great job (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827609)

Yes...but did your boobs get bigger :)

Re:Sounds like a great job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29825277)

Go to Pizza Hut.

Ironic use of a fertility idol... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824863)

Am I the only one who thought the fertility idol icon was funny, considering cannabis is thought to cause...er...shrinkage.

Re:Ironic use of a fertility idol... (2, Funny)

b0ttle (1332811) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824921)

Dude, Bob Marley had 13 children...

I wonder (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29824881)

I wonder if you have to pass a drug test.

Re:I wonder (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825309)

Sure, they test you to see how many drugs you can do and still write a comprehensible sentence in English. After finishing the test I can assure you that barn owl first window, uh, the sunshine, look at the colors, man, I can taste them!

Re:I wonder (1)

xanadu113 (657977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825819)

You're thinking of hallucinogens... not cannabis...

Re:I wonder (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825917)

You're thinking I was serious, rather than making a joke. Did I say, "they test you to see how much pot you can smoke?" No, because that wasn't the phrase used in the post I replied to. I used the generic term drugs, which encompasses cannabis and other hallucinogens.

But, trust me on this Myke, it is possible to eat enough cannabis baked goods to hallucinate pretty hard. Cannabis IS a hallucinogen, just a rather mild one.

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29826167)

Posting anon because well, yeah.

My experience is that cannabis doesn't really make you hallucinate in a way that resembles LSD, Psilocybin, DMT or other "real" hallucinogens. The thought patterns tend to be similar but the visual and auditory effects of cannabis aren't even comparable, 3 grams of soft smelly hashish (the most I've eaten at once) only resulted in an extremely "stoned" feeling with a massive body load and "bleeding" colors ,watching cartoons had the colors on the screen slowly seeping out in every direction from the screen and hard edges between dark and light surfaces as well as highly saturated colors showed some tracer-like characteristics while mostly acting "electric" (straight lines seemingly vibrating and acting a lot more jagged than they normally do).

As for smoking cannabis, the worst I've managed there was when I was testing some freshly dried and cured, I smoked myself to a state where I was incapable of getting up from my chair without falling down and eventually fell asleep for a couple of hours, no hallucinations though.

Re:I wonder (2, Informative)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827355)

As for smoking cannabis, the worst I've managed there was when I was testing some freshly dried and cured, I smoked myself to a state where I was incapable of getting up from my chair without falling down and eventually fell asleep for a couple of hours, no hallucinations though.

Try eating the stuff. Preferably on an empty stomach (eat a couple slabs of bacon or something else fatty shortly after your space cakes if you want to get on the fast train). If you want to trip even harder do this right after giving blood.

Umm, or so I've heard.

Re:I wonder (2, Interesting)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827399)

None of the classic psychedelics (LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, etc.) really produce true hallucinations, at least in the vast majority of users.

To be considered an actual hallucination, the person needs to think that what they are perceiving is REAL. No matter how hard you trip on LSD, some part of your consciousness still remembers that you have taken a drug, and all the colors and patterns are simply the effects of that drug, and will wear off in a while.

The only common drugs that produce true hallucinations would be stuff like Datura (Jimsonweed), scopolamine, or other atropine-like drugs. But for some twisted reason, "hallucinogen" is used for drugs that are properly termed "psychedelics", while the drugs that make you hallucinate are called "deliriants".

Probably the same reasoning that classifies cocaine and amphetamines as "narcotics"...

Re:I wonder (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825311)

All this time, my parents were after me saying I'd never get a good job and be successful if I did drugs. Then I find out about this.

Re:I wonder (2, Funny)

xanadu113 (657977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825709)

The bad news is, you tested positive for marijuana metabolites.

The good news, you've got the job.

Can you start tomorrow at 4:20?

Re:I wonder (2, Funny)

hydroponx (1616401) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828579)

No, I'll be occupied, will 4:21 be ok ?

Weeding out the candidates (3, Funny)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#29824947)

It's a tough job, so let's get rolling.

Re:Weeding out the candidates (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825253)

You cannabis serious...

Re:Weeding out the candidates (1)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827103)

Oh, it's serious. It's just a matter of hashing out the details.

Re:Weeding out the candidates (1)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827351)

Yeah. You'd better get packing. You can take the company car, it's a blazer.

Re:Weeding out the candidates (0)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825737)

If you don't apply soon, this opportunity will go up in smoke.

Why did the old reviewer quit? (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825169)

Did he run out of new and interesting ways to say, "This is some good shit!"

Re:Why did the old reviewer quit? (3, Informative)

smellsofbikes (890263) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826065)

For what it's worth (since I live in Denver and read the Westword every week) the problem is that a reviewer should have a recognized medical condition for which a doctor has prescribed medical marijuana. The previous reviewer had an injured back for which he'd gotten a prescription but A: he was already writing other stuff for Westword, and B: he doesn't actually smoke, so he questioned whether he was a good fit long-term. As such, they're looking for someone who fits the job better.

How to Get This Job (4, Funny)

jayspec462 (609781) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825217)

The first person who both desires this job and a) has a resume, b) manages to find the motivation to print a copy of the resume, put it in an envelope, and send it to the HR department, and c) remembers to attend the interview gets the job automatically.

I suspect the position will go unfilled for some time...

Re:How to Get This Job (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827369)

It's kind of a catch-22 because the person who meets those qualifications probably doesn't actually have the requisite experience.

Perks? (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825291)

Does the position include free munchies?

I can imagine the first review.

So, dude, like, I'm totally snarfed up on this good shiznet, and, oh, God there's a whole universe in my thumbnail man. Anyway. Just got back from scarfing another 5 pounds of free munchies. Wow, the cheetos are amazing. It's like life, in a little foil wrapper. You know I could make a few hats out of these, but hats are a sign of The Man. Oh, no, speaking of - there's The Man coming in and nattering something about deadlines on a review or something. Gotta go, he's asking me to submit it or something. Whatever. Anyway, corner of West Third and Ninth, see "Frank", rating: Excellente'. Time for some munchiesssss...

Think you might have... (3, Informative)

Petersko (564140) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826527)

"oh, God there's a whole universe in my thumbnail man."

Think you might have mistaken marijuana for mushrooms.

Now if you were staring at your thumbnail, and suddenly realized you didn't know WHY you were staring at said thumbnail... now THAT'S marijuana.

Re:Think you might have... (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826643)

My bad. Never tried either. :)

Re:Think you might have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29826741)

Now if you were staring at your thumbnail, and suddenly realized you didn't know WHY you were staring at said thumbnail... now THAT'S marijuana.

Mushrooms would be more like staring at your thumbnail and not CARING why you're staring at it, just knowing that, at that moment, it's the single funniest thing you've ever set eyes on.

At least that's been my experience. I've never understand the "hallucinogen" thing. Mushrooms just make everything unbelievably, gut-wrenchingly, ROFLMAOingly funny.

Re:Think you might have... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827571)

One night I may have had WAYYY too much pot for my experience level at the time (zero). This was a newbie mistake I haven't yet repeated BUT:

I swear, no lies, I watched my one buddy's face MELT OFF. At that point I decided this was going to be a baaad evening and got away from all human contact until the next day. I did have a couple more hallucinations before it was over.... the next day I had thee worst motherfucking hangover I've ever had, and I suspect I may have still been slightly high while at work. Longest day of my life.

Anyway, I have hallucinated on weed, which, from what I can gather, is extremely rare. However, I have been able to read up (erowid.org) a couple of similair nightmare pot trips.

Some have suggested it was laced. But the others who had also smoked, said it was fine.

Does that mean (3, Funny)

zannox (173829) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825305)

Staff meetings will be held at 4:20?

Re:Does that mean (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826007)

I do believe the Salary for the position is $420/wk. It isn't much, but the benefits are great!

Sigh... (4, Insightful)

blhack (921171) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825601)

I am a HUGE advocate for medical marijuana. It find it absurd that I have a bottle of hydrocodone (which is an opioid [like heroin or morphine]) in my cabinet and can take it whenever I need to, but if a doctor wanted to prescribe me marijuana, she couldn't.

Guys, even if it's a placebo, even if it is really doing *NOTHING* to help people physically and it is all mental (although recent research suggests that placebos can produce physical results), it's still helping; it is still making somebody who might be in pain be able to feel just a little bit better.

A major frown to those who oppose the idea of giving medicine to sick people

Another major frown to this idiotic newspaper. Do you realize what you're doing? You're playing exactly into the fears that the people who oppose this drug have; that it's just a bunch of potheads that want it. Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset? No? Well then fuck off.

Re:Sigh... (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825823)

Honestly dude, those drugs are provided by a pharmaceutical company and have precise amounts of drug and bonding agent. Medicinal Marijuana is grown at each of the clinics or by an authorized grower. Short growth years, different fertilizer, watering schedules all make up differences in taste and potency I'm sure.

Someone has to test the differences between Wild Boulder, Longmont Green, Broomfield Gold, and Erie Black.

Westword is actually a pretty good paper most of the time, much like DC's City Paper, the only other like paper I'm familiar with. I was glad to find it when we moved to Longmont from DC. I think reading reviews of the various clinics would be interesting.

[John]

Re:Sigh... (1)

xanadu113 (657977) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825859)

Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset?

They only make one kind of each of those medicines... cannabis has hundreds of strains..

Re:Sigh... (1)

anarchyboy (720565) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825911)

If it was just a placebo effect then why bother with the pot at all there would be much easier ways to administer it so really if it's being perscribed its almost certainly doing better than placebo in trials.

As for reviewing it medicinal pot unlike a pill like vicodin is not allways going to be the same, it will come in different strengths, taste different, give different highs (side effects I guess) and this can not and is not tested and controlled in the same way that every vicodin pill is exactly the same. So in that respect reviewing is useful.

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827141)

Another major frown to this idiotic newspaper. Do you realize what you're doing? You're playing exactly into the fears that the people who oppose this drug have; that it's just a bunch of potheads that want it. Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset? No? Well then fuck off.

The westword is an alternative Denver magazine. It certainly is NOT a mainstream paper like the Denver Post. So I don't know what you're getting all excited about. Anyone who takes half the crap in the westword seriously is deluding themselves.

agreed,with an addendum (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827339)

there's nothing placebo going on with marijuana's proven ability to stimluate appetite. for many wasting diseases, such as cancer, this is a godsend. and of course marijuana relieves stress, which is an issue for anyone facing a major disease

Re:agreed,with an addendum (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828357)

Like I said, I'm a huge medical marijuana advocate. My point with the placebo thing was that the argument about marijuana providing any measurable, predictable, beneficial effects is moot; it's helping people and at no cost to anyone else. That is all that matters.

My point is that people fighting to have marijuana treated as a medical substance should not be reviewing it as if it is a recreational one.

If this was a laboratory study that sought to find the specific THC concentration of each strain, that would be fine; what this sounds like is a bunch of recreational marijuana users reviewing their plant. It is counterproductive.

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29828677)

mabey someone should review them, that way it can shed more light on the legalized drug cartel.

housewives of OC?

And this is why medical pot has a hard time (3, Interesting)

dirk (87083) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825685)

This article pretty much covers why medical pot is having such a hard time. The cause has been co-opted by people trying to use it as a backdoor to get pot legalized. California is having a lot of problems and people are turning against medical pot because it is being abused so much. A lot of the prescriptions are handed out without an real medical exam for generic things like "chronic pain". Chronic pain is a real condition, but it is being used as an excuse for people to legally get pot.

I'm all for medical pot, but it should be handled like any other medicine. It should be prescribed by a doctor for a legit condition and filled by a pharmacy, not by guys growing it in their back yard. If a doctor is prescribing it needless, he should be prosecuted the same as if he was handing out Ritalin or some other drug to people who don't need it. Unfortunately, many people are more interested in getting high than actually helping people who actually need ti for medicinal purposes.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (3, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826099)

No, it should be handled like alcohol and cigarettes, both much more harmful recreational drugs. Here's a news flash, medical marijuana was ALWAYS a back door to legalization because complete legalization, along with subsequent regulation and taxation, is the only legitimate action the government should take regarding such a harmless drug. No one has ever died from pot. No one gets high and starts fights. No one steals to pay for pot. About the worst you can say about it is that it makes dealing with boredom a little too easy.

I challenge you to find one legitimate reason, backed up by published science, that pot should be illegal.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827439)

Isn't that challenge akin to proving a negative? Regardless... if a study came out that absolutely gave a reason, would you really believe it? I would bet dollars to doughnuts you wouldn't. It would be waved off as "bogus man".

The real reason is IMO, they (gov) wouldn't get their cut as any pothead with a grow-light can produce. And since them not getting their cut is PLENTY reason, it is illegal. Note, that would be filed under "Economic Science". You know, the class you skipped so you could go toke in the car. :)

Ta-da! I'll take my 3 Krispy Kremes now.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827657)

All I'm looking for is one study showing that pot produces significantly more damage, either personal or social or both, than alcohol. That is nothing like proving a negative.

As I have seen a number of studies showing the exact opposite, you are right. With just one study, the evidence would still be on my side.

You can grow tobacco. You can brew beer. A few people do those things as a hobby, but not enough to make any sort of economic impact. And for the record, I've forgotten more about economics than you'll ever know. If your argument is, "it's illegal because everyone can grow it," then you really don't know much about the subject at all.

Please, for the love of God, send me some of those Krispy Kremes. They closed every single Krispy Kreme in my town.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1)

Da_Biz (267075) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827515)

I realize you may have been staying this to make a point, but "no one" is a bit of an exaggeration.

That said, it's pretty telling when things like pot are way down on the list of what causes impaired driving. Of course, the top five includes things like lack of sleep, prescription drugs and (shocker) alcohol.

I don't even recall pot making it into the top 10.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (2, Insightful)

melikamp (631205) | more than 4 years ago | (#29827715)

When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well – you just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort.

-Bill Hicks

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828413)

Damnit I miss Bill Hicks.

Two Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29828915)

REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29826625)

This article pretty much covers why medical pot is having such a hard time. The cause has been co-opted by people trying to use it as a backdoor to get pot legalized.... It should be prescribed by a doctor for a legit condition and filled by a pharmacy, not by guys growing it in their back yard....

You have the dynamic exactly backwards. The medical cannabis has had a hard time because the law enforcement-prison industrial complex has refused to treat it according to law and science, seeking to keep it classified as the most dangerous drug in existence (more so that cocaine and heroin!) as a way to maintain criminalization for all uses.

If federal law and its own regulations were actually followed by the DEA cannabis would be listed as a Schedule V drug (the least restrictive category) rather than Schedule I (the most restrictive) since a commercial preparation of pure THC (Marinol) is listed at only Schedule III. This error in logic, science and law has not, by the way, yet been corrected by the Obama Administration.

A system of regulated access to cannabis could have been set up 35 years ago, treating it like any other pharmaceutical. But the hide-bound opposition of the happy drug warriors prevented that, leaving grass-root state-by-state initiatives the only option for gaining access. As a side effect of this process, overall acceptance of cannabis use has actually increased and resistance to legalization has decreased as more people have been exposed to this issue, as well as broadly disseminating cannabis cultivation experience among the population.

The press coverage usually does not acknowledge, by the way, the degree to which the drug enforcement sector of the economy has attempted to circumvent the state initiatives. Despite very misleading claims the cannabis is "almost legal" in California, the fact is state and local prosecutors, and drug police at every level of government have spent years trying to pretend Prop. 215 never passed: declaring that acquiring cannabis according to the law did not protect you from arrest and confiscation of property (you just got to use it as a defense once on trial), arresting people of federal charges as if they were DEA agents, numerous counties refusing to issue the required ID cards etc., etc.

The net effect of this unrelenting (and self-serving) war on medical cannabis has been to persuade a growing number to people that the only effective protection from harassment by lawless police forces and prosecutors is to go for outright legalization. The drug warriors have left no choice.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29826857)

Medical pot has a hard time because it doesnt need to be prefixed with medical in the first place. Nobody says "medical alcohol." But you can bet your ass when I need a painkiller im not going to walk into walmart and get the tylenol - I'm going for a bottle of crown. All the OTC pain killers say "for minor aches and pains." wtf? If my pain was MINOR I wouldnt be in the drugstore looking for pain killers. I'd just deal with my scraped knee or bee sting or headache or whatever..

Even for people who have chronic pain - there are better alternatives than pot (including alcohol) They go for the pot cuz it has the added benefit of making them feel good and relaxed, which I would argue IS a medical purpose - and everyone that needs to relax *should* be smoking it. Sorry but I'm naturally high strung and I'm at work all day, its fast paced and stressful, then when I get home its time to relax but my brain wont let me - it stays "in work mode." and just will not shut off. My mind races and races. The only thing that keeps me going all day is the fact I know when I get home I am gonna pack my peice and inhale instant relief. Yes, I could go see a doctor about it, but he cant do anything other than write a script for something thats going to cost me a fortune (no insurance) .. .and chances are whatever he gives me will be worse than the bud I was smoking already anyway and will possibly be less effective.

Cigarettes otoh should be illegal. And better pain killers / muscle relaxers / stress releivers should be made available OTC. I'm in the states and lots of things otc in other places you cant get here. ghb/xanax/opiate-based pain killers to name a few. What would be the harm in having OTC hydrocodone? Because people might abuse it? What do you think people are doing with cough syrup RIGHT NOW? Also, if you wanted to abuse hydrocodone - you could attempt to but they intentionally put this poison in it called tylenol. the tylenol in it will KILL YOU before you ever come close to OD'ing on the hydrocodone itself. btw, google cold water extraction for simple way to remove said poison.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29828957)

Even for people who have chronic pain - there are better alternatives than pot(including alcohol) They go for the pot cuz it has the added benefit of making them feel good and relaxed, which I would argue IS a medical purpose - and everyone that needs to relax *should* be smoking it.

Such as? Because opiates aren't a good thing to take all the time, and they can have the same "feel good" side effect. Others get no effect from OTC painkillers such as paracetamol.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29826893)

Co-opted or not, it should be legalized. It should have never been prohibited in the first place, just like alcohol should have never been prohibited in the 20s. It was a very large, costly, and deadly mistake. Everybody loses, except the architects of prohibition at the top of the power pyramid who cash in big time.

The US now has the highest incarceration rate in the entire world -- even higher than totalitarian regimes such as china -- and this is largely the result of drug prohibition. A very large percentage of those inmates were convicted on non-violent marijuana-related offenses. To lock these people in a cage like animals isn't just inhumane, it's orwellian and reeks of self-interest, rather than community interest (which government claims to serve).

And let's not turn a blind eye to the violent crime, widespread corruption of law enforcement, and giant misuse of public funding that is a direct result of prohibition.

If medical marijuana provides the stepping stone to legalization, all the better. To think that you deserve a say in who has the right to use marijuana and who doesn't is just immature and self-centered beyond belief.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29829215)

I have heard this claim before and so I decided to do some research. At this pdf: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p07.pdf page 21 table 10 it lists the incarcerations year end 2005. There were ~1.3 million in state prisons of which ~0.25 million were convicted of drug offenses. Even if we add in ALL burglary then that goes to ~0.38 million or a little less than a 1/3. Now I am not certain what percentage you would consider "very large" but by and large the worst is violent crimes which are just over 1/2. I admit that I have just shown the state populations which are not eveything. The fed statistics are on page 22 table 12. They show an additional ~0.1 million drug offenses. I guess before I wrote this I should have asked what "very large" meant. None the less at least now others might see what the numbers are.

yeah, right (1)

aepervius (535155) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828147)

exactly like other legal drug, ethanol and nicotine are administrated ?

The simple matter of fact is that THC is as dangerous as the other aforementionned poison. But it is culturally OK to poison yourself with alcohol (a bit less accepted for smoking) but less or downright not culturally accepted to smoke pot. There is NO REASON whatsoever to have one prescribed and the other free for sale in supermarket.

That said, I do not consume either of those 3. But I dislike the hypocrysis people show when they want to forbid one but allow the others.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1)

sponga (739683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828517)

Yep that is 100% correct and I can contest to that.

Even during our senior year in high school all of us seemed to have our medical marijuana cards even though we couldn't even buy alcohol/cigarettes. Although fake ID's were a lot easier to get back than before 9/11.

It is bad in Los Angeles County in some areas, you have all these gangsters who see these places as a huge lottery if they get in there. Not only do you get the weed but also lots of cash moving through these places, guys showing up drunk to these places and just general abuse. Far cry from when they first opened and everything was not behind bars like it is these days with the security guard strapped as soon as you walk in.

I contest I pulled the old *chronic back pain* to get mine, but I didn't renew my card after seeing how much abuse was going on and the real marijuana patients were still getting harassed by the feds.

If you live in L.A., we are currently at the epicenter(get it?) of the Marijuana controversy. You see the state of California is at odds with the Feds and the District Attorney of Los Angeles, they have been hounding to shut these places down. Well Obama just told the Feds to "cool it" on cracking down on the dispenseries and to respect *STATE LAWS*, the L.A. D.A. still has not cooled off and is trying to take this through the courts.

Additionally I can get just as good stuff as the dispenseries with 30% less tax on it.

Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time (1)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | more than 4 years ago | (#29829001)

Anyone ever stop to consider that there might be many more people with chronic pain than anyone realized? Or that many of those people don't go to the doctor for their pain because they know they're going to get an opiate, which does more harm than good? Since pot was decriminalized and made legal for medical purposes in my area, there has been ONE case of someone doing stupid things (and he likely had other issues). On the other hand, EVERY DAY you can look at the police notes in the paper and see idiots doing stupid things while under the influence of alcohol. History has proven that prohibition of widely popular substances does not work. As long as they are not giving cards to juveniles without good reason, (most of whom have not lived long enough to experience the type or amount of injuries that can create a state of chronic pain, which largely limits MM to those that are undergoing chemo or have some other chronic or fatal condition) who cares?

Ghetto bong (1)

Tibia1 (1615959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29825773)

A bong made out of household items (such as water bottle and makeshift bowlpiece), or "ghetto bong" can create unwanted smoke that could be bad for you and is unnecessary in getting high. My friend once smoked a ghetto bong with a foil bowl piece and got thick yellow smoke, which after inhaling resulted in vomiting and probably other bad things. Therefore it is not recommended to use ghetto bongs unless in dire circumstances. Sure, my friend was laughing through his tears he was so baked, but I don't think it was very good for him.

Re:Ghetto bong (1)

iamhigh (1252742) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826441)

Well, you were doing it wrong. I don't know how, but you were. Also, use an apple next time... might get some vitamins with it!

Missing an opportunity for synergy... (2, Insightful)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 4 years ago | (#29826753)

They should also make this person the restaurant critic!

Hi I wanted to apply for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29827451)

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I do not know how to build bongs BUT i can make lines on any surface.

Schedule 1 Status (2, Informative)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828091)

The root of the problem is that pot is still a schedule 1 drug.

This means it is "highly addictive with no medicinal value".

Until you get it reclassified, nothing can be done on the federal level in the US.

The British removed it from their equivalent scale last year.

Mexico recently changed their possession laws to match those of Amsterdam.

Bet you didn't hear that on the 6 O'clock news.

Drugs are bad, mmkay? (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 4 years ago | (#29828381)

Anyone else (of the few who don't use adblock or the likes) happen to see an anti-drug ad just below the story?
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