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Court Orders the Pirate Bay To Delete Torrents

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the what-about-the-names-of-the-torrents dept.

The Courts 455

lbalbalba writes "A Dutch court ruled today that The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works. The list is to be provided by BREIN (similair to the RIAA, in Holland), and is similar to the earlier ruling against Mininova. The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day."

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Hurrr (1, Insightful)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838583)

Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.

Re:Hurrr (5, Informative)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838601)

If you read the article, it means they have to block them too, and also block all dutch users from accessing *all* copyrighted torrents.

Other interesting parts from the article:

The defense had argued that not Fredrik, Gottfrid and Peter were not the owners of the site, but a Seychelles based company named Reservella. The Court rejected this defense as the defendants could not name the current owners or provide any documents proving that the site was sold. It concluded that the three defendants are responsible for the site.

This doesn't really sound like a surprise. They're still actively working on the site too.

Ernst-Jan Louwers, the lawyer for the three Pirate Bay defendants told TorrentFreak that his clients are currently considering whether or not to appeal this judgment.

Sounds like they're actually starting to giving up. All the recent news and problems probably have softened them up.

Re:Hurrr (4, Interesting)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838773)

They should just provide a link on the site to the online version of the court order listing all the links they're supposed to delete.

Then let them sue the court.

Re:Hurrr (5, Interesting)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839279)

block all dutch users from accessing *all* copyrighted torrents.

So they have to block all Dutch users then?

I would be surprised if there was a *single* item on TPB that wasn't copyrighted, whether it's legal or not.

Linux distros? Perfectly legal, but still copyrighted.

Is someone screwing up the translation, or is the Dutch court really that brain-dead?

Re:Hurrr (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839297)

Actually, if you keep reading the article, they don't have to block Dutch users anymore; they only have to delete the torrents: "Today the Amsterdam Court announced that the earlier default judgment has been nullified. That is, the three operators don’t have to block access to all Dutch users."

Other inconsistencies (1)

Bovius (1243040) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838639)

The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day.

Per person, per day? So in other words, if two of the three guys gets "laid off", they are reducing the grievousness of the offense by two thirds.

Re:Other inconsistencies (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838771)

The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day. Per person, per day? So in other words, if two of the three guys gets "laid off", they are reducing the grievousness of the offense by two thirds.

No, if two of the three guys want to comply, but the third locks them out and chooses not to comply all three still get fined (at least that is how such a ruling would work in the U.S). Under certain circumstances the court might consider lifting the imposed sanctions against the two locked out, but they would have to have a fairly compelling case that the only reason they didn't comply was because the third had locked them out.

Re:Other inconsistencies (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838861)

I better buy my ~10 Piratebay t-shirts before they disappear forever. They will be collectors items.

Re:Other inconsistencies (1)

gid (5195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839269)

Hah, their premium bamboo shirt is €29.00 or $43.51!!

My suits cost that much... ok not really, but that's a damn expensive t-shirt.

Re:Other inconsistencies (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838897)

Is that supposed to be a joke, or are you being serious? Obviously they mean "if 1,000 people download torrent X per day, that's a 5,000,000 euro fine per day".

Re:Hurrr (3, Interesting)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838725)

Delete them and let the users make new ones with the same content.

That's exactly what will happen, as well as new categories will be created to get around the areas that are to be blocked for Dutch users. This does set the precedent that if a site is notified of torrents for copyright infringing materials that they must remove them. This sounds perfectly fair, so long as the person complaining is the legitimate copyright holder and they point to a specific torrent. Afterall, you can't claim ignorance about the torrents if you have been notified. It also puts a burden on the copyright holder to monitor the site for infringing torrents and not the site owners.

Re:Hurrr (3, Interesting)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839187)

What about the fact that torrents can't be "infringing" If I make a torrent of "The Matrix", while I may not own The Matrix, I still own the torrent. BREIN or whatever has no right to claim that my torrent is "infringing" as they are not the copyright holders of the torrent, I am. couldn't someone sue BREIN for unlawfully sending a false DMCA equivalent notice for my work.

Re:Hurrr (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838763)

From: http://thepiratebay.org/legal [thepiratebay.org]

Nice graphs for the law firms who don't get the hint above:

(we used to have a nice graph here, but it's simpler to just say: 0 torrents has been removed, and 0 torrents will ever be removed.)

I wonder if that still applies these days.

They have removed torrents... (4, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839325)

- empty torrents
- torrents with viruses
- child pornography torrents

The fact that TPB suggested that they remove such torrents actually worked against them in this case; after all, it means they do perform (some) filtering.

Judgment PDF: http://www.boek9.nl/www.delex-backoffice.nl/uploads/file/Boek9%20/Boek%209%20Uitspraken/Auteursrecht/Rb%20ASD%20Neij%20-%20Pirate%20Bay%20%2022%20oktober%202009.pdf [boek9.nl]
Judgment HTML: http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BK1067&u_ljn=BK1067 [rechtspraak.nl]

Both in Dutch; I wouldn't rely on babelfish/google translate, and user-provided translations tend to be rife with inexact translations of legal terms... should be a proper English translation in due time.

I'll translate the section that mentions these active filter claims, however...

5.9.2. In addition it has not been contested that contributors of The Pirate Bay are actively involved with torrents that are uploaded by users. Torrents that point to empty files, child pornography or viruses are removed. The Pirate Bay also offers the ability to chat with one of its contributors about the available torrents.

This is one of the findings under...

5.9. Remains the question of whether or not The Pirate Bay has illegaly acted against The Brein Foundation [Stichting Brein] by offering Torrents with which copyrighted files may be exchanged, as they (Brein) have noted in a subsidiary claim.

So as part of the findings of 5.9, determining whether TPB has acted illegaly against Brein, the active filtering issue has weighed against them; if they can filter those, then they should be able to filter torrents pointing to files of parties who are signed up with Brein.

So... the dutch? (5, Insightful)

epiphani (254981) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838613)

Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?

I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.

Re:So... the dutch? (3, Insightful)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838649)

As long as you never plan to travel to France, that would certainly be a viable option.

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838703)

Or any country that would extradite you to France.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

attentat (1658847) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839115)

You don't get extradited for shit in civil court and virtually no one is going to bother with the extradition process over some minor contempt of court.

Cool (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838721)

Cool. I get to not go to france AND tell the court to stuff it!

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838761)

I think you mean as long as he plans to never travel to France it would be a viable option.

Re:So... the dutch? (3, Informative)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838827)

You better stay off from other countries too that have extradition treaty with France.

Or in this case with Netherlands.

Is it a good or bad thing then? You could be extradited to some african country which has laws that in your home country would be just laughable.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

mrvan (973822) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838949)

This is why countries only have extradition treaties with other countries in whose justice system they trust, and the treaty (can) limit the laws on which extradition takes place and/or exempt own citizens from extradition. Generally, extradition can be appealed in the extraditing country on procedural grounds

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839073)

Also, as I understand it extradition applies to criminal and not civil cases. Even in criminal cases, the charge probably needs to be something higher than "this person smoked pot once."

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that the RIAA and the like have been hyping the crime as equal to terrorism. In 10 years, will gitmo be full of file sharers?

Re:So... the dutch? (5, Informative)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839111)

Well, this guy was extradited from Australia to USA for copyright infringement

Australian pirate to be extradited to the United States [afterdawn.com]

A ground-breaking ruling against an Australian man accused of pirating software, games and music worth over $50 million should have all pirates in the world scared. Hew Raymond Griffiths who went by the online name BanDiDo, has never been to the United States but will be tried in a U.S. court after the U.S. won the battle to extradite him.

Re:So... the dutch? (0, Redundant)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839191)

Well, this guy was extradited from Australia to USA for copyright infringement

Australian pirate to be extradited to the United States [afterdawn.com]

A ground-breaking ruling against an Australian man accused of pirating software, games and music worth over $50 million should have all pirates in the world scared. Hew Raymond Griffiths who went by the online name BanDiDo, has never been to the United States but will be tried in a U.S. court after the U.S. won the battle to extradite him.

Ouch.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839291)

But, the way I understand it, the fine wouldn't be for copyright infringement, but for contempt of Dutch court.

I haven't found any cases of anyone ever being extradited for contempt of a civil court. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm betting that we're not going to see much change at TPB over the next several months. Except that every time one of these stories comes out, more people check out TPB and find out what a great resource it is.

Downloading torrents is civil disobedience, no matter that you enjoy watching the downloaded AXX0 movie. Until we see copyright laws that protect the creative people, the innovators, rather than huge corporations that stockpile IP and blackmail the world, open violation of these absurd copyright laws will continue by a large portion of the otherwise law-abiding population. When you can point to a huge number of people for whom downloading torrents is their only potentially illegal act, the problem is with the law, not the ones who ignore the ridiculous law. And make no mistake, a law that protects a composer for generations after his death or allows for the transfer of creative copyright is ridiculous.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

orsty3001 (1377575) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839091)

If the pirate bay is incorporated then no one working there can be held responsible. Only the business can be sued. I'm not sure if they are.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

BatGnat (1568391) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839095)

I am from Australia, does that mean the US are going to extradite me for driving on the wrong side of the road?

If they committed the crime in Sweden, where it may or may not be legal (irrelevant), you cant be extradited to Holland....

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839271)

I am from Australia, does that mean the US are going to extradite me for driving on the wrong side of the road?

Obviously not. But when you're committing a crime (or copyright infringement and so on) against persons or companies in other country, then you could be extradited.

Re:So... the dutch? (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838685)

Don't forget to put a disclaimer on your site saying "Dutch users may NOT download from this site." That'll fix their little red wagon.

I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say that's at least 300% certain to prevent the dutch from having any juristiction. Incidentally, I am also not a guy who does stuff with numbers and percents for his job.

By the way, due to libel laws, this post may not legally be read in England.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

Neofluffybunny (1647855) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839247)

By the way, due to libel laws, this post may not legally be read in England.

To be safe, you may want to put that at the top of your post so anyone in England can know before they read it accidentally. Luckily I'm in the US to prevent such an issue.

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838695)

Looking at the amount of corruption in the Seychelles, it can guaranty that the Dutch government must be involved.

EU law (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838723)

The EU is more then just the economic union it was meant to be. It is being used a tool to make the most extreme rules of one nation affect everyone else, the content mafia happily exploits this by trying in all different countries at once, seeing what gets through and so affect the whole EU at once.

The EU powers happily cooperate, EU law should rule all citizens except those in power as was made clear today when Berlesconi was not chastised for his many crimes.

Seems hosting a torrent in another country is bad. Controlling all media in another country, that is that others country business.

Re:EU law (2, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838839)

And it will go just more in to that. Slowly but surely. Soon world will just have USA, EU, Russia and China.

Re:EU law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839149)

Poor Africa... no one cares about you.

Re:EU law (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839329)

Soon world will just have USA, EU, Russia and China.

Well with the risk of getting flamed right off slashdot, I happen to live in EU, and surely hope that the EU will soon have the power to counter entities like USA, EU, (former) USSR, and China.

Re:EU law (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838841)

This has nothing to do with "EU law". This is Dutch law. Try again, kthxbai.

Re:So... the dutch? (5, Funny)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838739)

I'm pretty sure if someone in France decided to order me to delete something, I'd tell them to get stuffed.

Ce message contrevient aux normes françaises d'utilisation d'un médium interactif à des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques. Prière de le détruire immédiatement, sacrebleu!

    - Nicolas

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838851)

Gjør at alle begynner å snakke med vårt eget språk på engelsk forum!

- Peter

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838987)

soddisfatto

- Tony

Re:So... the dutch? (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839321)

Gjør at alle begynner å snakke med vårt eget språk på engelsk forum!

Why don't you speak English? If it was good enough for Jesus Christ, it should be good enough for you.

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838945)

Lo que opinen o digan ustedes me importa un carajo, siempre y cuando paguen los pinches impuestos

- Felipe

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839117)

Tabarnac t'as 2 jours pour deleter ca sinon on t'pète la yeule caliss!
-ADISQ

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839175)

Je t'aime !

hits you on head with cold dry baguette (1)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839235)

Ce message contrevient aux normes françaises d'utilisation d'un médium interactif à des fins de propagande anti-patriotiques. Prière de le détruire immédiatement, sacrebleu!

- Nicolas

This message violates the standards of French use of interactive medium for anti-patriotic propaganda. Please destroy it immediately.

Am I close?

Re:So... the dutch? (1)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838883)

Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction do the dutch have?

They have the authority to determine what happens over in Holland.

Re:So... the dutch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838961)

All EU-countries respect and uphold decisions of courts in other countries. If I'm correct, they can fairly easily go get their money in Sweden. They can in Germany and Belgium.

Re:So... the dutch? (2, Funny)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838991)

I have unpaid Swiss traffic ticket. It's all in German except the laconic phrase in English "pay the fine 60F" or whatever Fahrenheit the are using as currency. No photo of my vehicle breaking the law.

Swiss Nazis have actually cameras installed on major freeways.

Re:So... the dutch? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839053)

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Re:So... the dutch? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839265)

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What law? (4, Insightful)

Smegly (1607157) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838619)

What law do they have that says you can't _link_ to copyright material? The *IAA's are celebrating their victories lately... EU Amendment 138 : Killed. Pirate Bay: Offline. Three strikes Laws: Here we come EU, AU, .... Spokesperson for *IAA's overheard saying: "Try route around that damage, Ha!"

Re:What law? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838877)

That would be Aiding Copyright Infringement (like you get sued for aiding with other crimes), and it's pretty clear what The Pirate Bay is for.

Re:What law? (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838969)

But copyright infringement is not a crime in the Netherlands, it's just an infraction. Copyright is part of civil law.

Re:What law? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839041)

I'm not sure about Netherlands in particular, but atleast in other EU countries people have got sued for aiding copyright infringement, lost and needed to pay up (while copyright is part of civil law in those countries too)

Re:What law? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839267)

That would be Aiding Copyright Infringement (like you get sued for aiding with other crimes), and it's pretty clear what The Pirate Bay is for.

So let's rename them to The Torrent Bay? It's just a name, besides: when does a name mean anything about a group? There's the pirate party, are they bad?

Re:What law? (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838891)

People keep saying The Pirate Bay is offline, dead, etc, and I've yet to see it taken down. I'd wait until the servers truly are gone before counting them out.

How is this different? (1)

Staniel (595001) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838629)

Why should we believe they won't be responding to this as they respond to all the lawyers who flex at them from across the sea?

Re:How is this different? (1)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838715)

Nice graphs for the law firms who don't get the hint above:

(we used to have a nice graph here, but it's simpler to just say: 0 torrents has been removed, and 0 torrents will ever be removed.)

Taken from the pirate bay directly ! hehe. We'll see if they update their stats or not.

...was down last night? (1)

YouWantFriesWithThat (1123591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838637)

seemed like piratebay.org was down last night, and trackers hosted by them were erroring out. anyone else notice this? i can't have been the only person trying to...err...evaluate some software.

Re:...was down last night? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838677)

From a Comcast connection in the states I was unable to reach tpb for a couple days. Was back up as of last night. Its worth mentioning that mininova was accessible at the time. So my evaluations were unimpeded.

Yep, this is going to do nothing. (3, Insightful)

LitelySalted (1348425) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838653)

The only way to control this is by requiring users to have login names and controlling who can post what (perhaps instituting a probationary period of say 3-7 days so that they don't get spammed with new users).

Otherwise, this is just going to be a repeat of YouTube and other file sharing networks, copyright material still gets uploaded, even if it eventually gets deleted.

This is exactly why the Pirate Bay claims not to have any responsibility for the content on the site - they do not micromanage any of the who or what, they simply provide the service of hosting.

Re:Yep, this is going to do nothing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839107)

While the above is true in some respects, it's not entirely true. The Pirate Bay is managed in that certain material isn't allowed, that which is directly illegal under Swedish Law such as kiddie porn. However there's only a couple of instances when something can, and generally will be taken down.

List (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838673)

The PB should publish said list when they get it: It will be interesting to see which artists get mad when they realize they aren't being "protected', and who gets mad when they realize their publishers are suing their costumer base in their name.

Re:List (3, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838787)

[...] and who gets mad when they realize their publishers are suing their costumer base in their name.

Never, ever mess with costumers. Those are people you really don't want to get mad.

Finally a use for my 3TB array (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838697)

What will I do with 3TB of Brianna Banks movies anyways?

I take it the courts will be deleting too (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29838707)

I take it that the courts will be deleting the information on the link too, since that order is just a human-parseable version of the same link to the offending data as the one on the pirate bay.

If not, I assume that the court will pay a fine of 5000 euros per day.

Jurisdiction? Enforcement? (2, Interesting)

mpoulton (689851) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838747)

Well that's all fine and dandy that the court orders them to do this. I hereby order them to bring me a cake on my birthday, too. What more authority does the Dutch court have than I? Even more importantly, perhaps, how do they intend to enforce the court order, even if they do have jurisdiction? I thought there was an article recently that TPB had moved their operations to some "untouchable" hosting facility somewhere. This is not like an international case against a large and established company with substantial assets in a particular location that can be seized to pay a judgment. These guys are as close to anonymous as you can get and still be an actual legal entity.

Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement? (1)

lbalbalba (526209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838849)

What more authority does the Dutch court have than I?

Thay have the authority to determine what happens over in Holland.

Re:Jurisdiction? Enforcement? (1)

spyfrog (552673) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839131)

As long as they live in the EU the Dutch authorities can get them. Other member states will simply carry out the court ruling, i.e. collecting the fines.

Solution (3, Interesting)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838815)

In that case, they should link to links to copyrighted works. :-)

All kidding aside, this is so far the best response to piracy I've seen yet. It *almost* makes sense. Since they can't go after the people actually committing the crime, they order the informants to stop informing.

Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torrents! (2, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838837)

[...] The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works. The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day."

Translation: start mirroring all the torrents before they're removed. Hmmm, anyone got a .torrent of these?

Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren (1)

Spewns (1599743) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838939)

[...] The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works. The defendants are given three months to comply, if not, they will face penalties of 5,000 euros ($7,500) per person, per day."

Translation: start mirroring all the torrents before they're removed. Hmmm, anyone got a .torrent of these?

Search "pirate bay" on TPB with the "Other" box checkmarked, and you'll find some things.

Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839005)

Search "pirate bay" on TPB with the "Other" box checkmarked, and you'll find some things.

Confession: I've never actually used BitTorrent. Sad, I know. So my joke about it might be factually incorrect.

Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839019)

I like this idea. Can a torrent that is merely a collection of other .torrent files be hosted?

It's like, I don't have movie X, or a list of places to get movie X, but here's a list of places that host a list of places to get movie X. Can they persecute a chain of inference?

Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren (0, Troll)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839173)

It doesn't really matter if you get technical about it. As long as your intention clearly is to either do copyright infringement or aid in copyright infringement, no technical excuse will help you.

This is why The Pirate Bay lost in courts.

Re:Translation: gentlemen, start mirroring .torren (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839331)

No. TPB lost because of a corrupt judicial process and clear conflict of interest.

I guess... (2, Insightful)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 4 years ago | (#29838965)

I guess they'll be ordering Google to stop allowing searches next, followed by Yahoo, followed by...followed by. When will these idiots ever discover a clue?

Re:I guess... (1)

Krakadoom (1407635) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839049)

Well, neither google nor yahoo actually run trackers, so your comparison is a little off... ;)

They DO link to copyrighted material (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839199)

The DO link to copyrighted material. And quite a lot of it unauthorised copying (even if the unauthorisation is that the author is dead and can't give their authorisation and doesn't give a shit 'cos you can't spend money when you're dead).

So the comparison stands.

Re:I guess... (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839201)

And more into that, they remove links to copyrighted content when the owners send notice. And Google is far off from providing service that is 99% made for aiding their users with copyright infringement, like The Pirate Bay clearly is.

Isn't it all copyrighted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839063)

The Pirate Bay has to remove a list of torrents linking to copyrighted works

Is there *anything* on TPB that's in the Public Domain? Since *everything* is copyrighted when it's created, what use is it including this in the summary?

Re:Isn't it all copyrighted? (2, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839147)

I haven't read the fine article, but that was my thought too... so do they have to delete their torrents for Ubuntu and Fedora which are "copyrighted" too?

As I've said before. (5, Insightful)

neo (4625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839113)

It's not property and you, sir, are not an intellectual.

The very idea that something infinitely reproducible could be considered to have value is preposterous and flies in the face of call macro economic theory. Infinite supply results in infinitesimal value.

Eventually people will realize that what is being called intellectual property is actually the result of a service, then we will all be happier.

I want to pay the person who provided the service, but pretending that something ethereal is property is not the way to do it.

It is simple to create copies, people will continue to do it and the companies who fight it will lose potential customers.

Wake up.

We are willing to pay for the services rendered, but your prices are ridiculous.

Re:As I've said before. (1)

Angostura (703910) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839241)

I want to pay the person who provided the service, but pretending that something ethereal is property is not the way to do it.

The way to do it is.... ?

hide accessibility? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29839133)

Comply, but with a caveat.

Let users upload torrent links, have them not searchable on the piratebay website itself, but let google index the piratebay. Thus if you search for a torrent, It shows up in google, but NOT AT the thepiratebay. org/.... url specifically. If you try going to the http://thepiratebay.org/path-to-torrent [thepiratebay.org] , it dead ends to a 404 error or something... Thus, google actually becomes the torrent 'server'.

link to Magnet URI's instead (2, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839141)

Although that get's rid of the actual torrent files they could theoretically just have Magnet URI's on the site. I wonder if they could get away with it.

Copyright a list of copyright materials? (1)

j-stroy (640921) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839159)

If I publish a list of titles of copyright materials, I can copyright it, and then prevent people from sharing that list?

In other news, is there a torrent of those torrents I can download?

Possible Defense: ...But Google is doing it too (1)

2obvious4u (871996) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839163)

Why can't thepiratebay use "but Google is doing it too" as a defense for why aren't they suing the biggest player? I mean its like they are extorting the little guy who can't defend himself to prove a point instead of attacking Google which actually has the legal might to defend itself.

Copyright claims (2, Interesting)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29839289)

Does BREIN have explicit permission from all the owners of the products in that list of torrents to act on their behalf in copyright matters, or are they breaking copyright law by unfairly asserting that right?

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