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Developing Nations Crippled By Broadband Costs

ScuttleMonkey posted about 5 years ago | from the holy-crip-it's-a-crapple dept.

The Internet 239

eldavojohn writes "If you live in the EU, you probably enjoy low broadband costs. If you live in Finland, it's even a legal right. If you live in the US, you probably pay a moderate cost. But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet — like online banking and market tools."

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How wide is it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848495)

Monty Wideanus's anus is soooo wide that even when 15 blue whale penises are stuck in his ass he doesn't feel them.

Development crippled by what? (5, Insightful)

CraftyJack (1031736) | about 5 years ago | (#29848543)

Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

Re:Development crippled by what? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848713)

They're too poor thanks to the IMF and their exploitative loaning practices.

Re:Development crippled by what? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849487)

whoever moded this offtopic must be a putrid jew, IMF it's in fact the only thing keeps developing world "developing".

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

jebrew (1101907) | about 5 years ago | (#29849709)

What does the Impossible Mission Force have to do with any of this?

Re:Development crippled by what? (4, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 5 years ago | (#29848725)

Yeah..don't forget food and shelter too.

"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!"

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about 5 years ago | (#29848983)

"Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!"

Why would someone with 10Mbits say something out loud?

Re:Development crippled by what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849043)

VOIP? duh?

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | about 5 years ago | (#29849283)

Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast? That's pretty minimum.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | about 5 years ago | (#29849427)

Since when is 10 Mbit considered fast? That's pretty minimum.

Not around here it isn't.

I've got 5 Mbps cable Internet. The most they're offering around here is 10 Mbps. If you go with fiber, which isn't available unless you live right in the city, you can get over 10 Mbps... But the pricing is aimed more at business users. Their cheap home user plan is only 10 Mbps.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 years ago | (#29849913)

jesus you get 10mbps? I live right on top of orlando and I'm lucky enough I can get 3mbps instead of 1.5 or less.

Re:Development crippled by what? (3, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 5 years ago | (#29848813)

Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

Like many information technologies, broadband access reduces the cost and increases the usefulness of basic utilities: Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks). Access to medical care is also improved by Broadband access, allowing doctors to telecommute, and rapidly research and connect with collegues who may be in remote locations. Clean drinking water, even, can be helped by broadband access -- the distribution of knowledge on how to build low-cost water purification systems. For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.

Re:Development crippled by what? (2, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | about 5 years ago | (#29849007)

For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.

Yes, for example, given wikipedia access, they could learn that regular window glass blocks pretty much all UV below 300 nm. You'd be better off simply placing an uncovered tray in the sunlight... Probably in a decade or two, solar powered hard-UV "flashlights" will revolutionize water purification, but just not quite yet. []

This discussion is a good example of how the average user spends most of their time online discussing urban legends and porn surfing, frankly, primarily the latter.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

tabrnaker (741668) | about 5 years ago | (#29849847)

Well, his explanation might be incorrect, but placing water in a glass jar out in the sun will sterilize it...because of the temperature reached inside. You do have to leave it out pretty long though, dependent on ambient temperature.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

postbigbang (761081) | about 5 years ago | (#29849107)

Consider an alternate solution that's a comparatively cheap: broadband via mobiles/cellphone technology is perhaps easier to implement. The backhaul costs are lower, oversubscription is a potential problem, but it's been shown that the leap from no phones to mobiles is easier than supporting landlines investments. As people can start to afford shared PCs, netbooks, etc., speeds like EDGE, UMTS, even GPRS aren't untennable. Although oversubscription can slow things down, by that point others are seeking (and paying for) faster alternatives, like DSL, cable, and T's and D's.

Yes, food and water and clothing and medical are certainly necessary, but developing nations can get a lot of wireless bandwidth that's commercially driven by demand with less capex through wireless "broadband" deployments.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | about 5 years ago | (#29849133)

The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer. It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.

Reading online about how to farm doesn't do a whole lot to a starving family in Africa. Internet access is not all that important to most starving people, in fact, I would imagine.

Re:Development crippled by what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849603)

You know what would be easier? If you retards stop snorting blow or injecting heroin so farmers can grow food and not poppy or cocaine.

It's always funny seeing an American concerned about hunger:

clear glass? (1)

JLavezzo (161308) | about 5 years ago | (#29849805)

If UV light is good for drinking water, then why does the CDC recommend against making sun tea? Mmmmm, Alcaligenes viscolactis.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

Beeelow (1619097) | about 5 years ago | (#29849065)

Exactly. Anyone remember dial-up? Not too long ago we got along just fine with it.

Re:Development crippled by what? (3, Interesting)

vertinox (846076) | about 5 years ago | (#29849173)

Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

Strangely enough, Somalia is touted [] to have one of the most advanced telecommunications industry in Africa.

Apparently when there is no corrupt government (or any government worth mentioning) or regulatory body (FCC) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.

Of course during the anarchy most of the copper why was torn down and sold as scrap by looters so wireless was the only alternative and many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.

That said... Between the angry warlords and Islamic militias... I wouldn't move there for the wireless and broad band systems.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about 5 years ago | (#29849727)

many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.
warlords are a form of government right?

What I wonder is how do they handle backhaul between cities and out of the country? do they push everything over sat? do they have armed gaurds along thier cable runs? Have the warlords managed to stablise things enough to stop cables getting looted?

Apparently when there is no corrupt government (or any government worth mentioning) or regulatory body (FCC) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.
Which works up to a point but sooner or later if usage increases to anything like western levels you will reach a situation where the networks start stepping on each other.

How about paved roads (1)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | about 5 years ago | (#29849273)

I'm pretty sure the capital city of Burkina Faso (you ARE aware of that country, right?) largely lacks paved roads [] for reasons other than lack of broadband internet.

Yes, the fast flow of free/cheap/vast information is helpful. Remember: it's a luxury, not a human right.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

toppavak (943659) | about 5 years ago | (#29849371)

It depends on what aspect of development you refer to. This report obviously refers to the kind of development the middle classes of countries such as India, China and Brazil are looking at. They've come out of poverty, have food, safe water, housing and security. They are literate (both technically and otherwise), mostly college educated and now need opportunities to engage the international marketplace in a more meaningful manner as well as the infrastructure to support access to a more democratized version of entrepreneurship that we see in the developed world.

Yes, these countries still have tremendous poverty and inequality, thank you for pointing that out for the umpteenth billion time. But the reality is that in addition to the poverty is a middle class that is literally several times the size of the entire United States that is discovering that their aspirations and capabilities are starting to strain the infrastructure available to them to do something more productive and more fundamentally satisfying. Empowering and inspiring this group of people will do far more for poverty and corruption in the developing world than the direct aid or paternalistic development the western world typically engages in. This is the key demographic that will create jobs and drive growth in their own countries. Couple this with a strong and free press (from personal experience I at least know India has this), increasing social awareness and an increase in financial means and you have a very powerful recipe to subsequently help bring additional hundreds of millions out of poverty.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

dissy (172727) | about 5 years ago | (#29849679)

Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

So once you have security, stability, access to medicine, and clean drinking water (as well as housing, plentiful food, and your specific transportation needs met), by your logic you should be denied internet access purely due to the country you live in?

Or do you just mean the entire country you live in is required to have all of those things before anyone can have broadband?

Just curious is all

Good ol' false dichotomy (1)

JLavezzo (161308) | about 5 years ago | (#29849897)

Why can't we have all of that?

Development is not homogeneous. Some people may still be subsistence farmers with little access to clean water. 150 miles away, someone in a city may have running water, electricity and an office job. But her business is hampered by astronomical communication costs. Her business profits provide tax revenue to the government. If tax revenues go up, the government can do things like improve the roads to the farmer's town so he can get more crops to market and not be a subsistence farmer anymore an just be a farmer who can afford school fees for his children.

Re:Development crippled by what? (1)

ap7 (963070) | about 5 years ago | (#29850055)

What if you have all of the above? Broadband still remains ridiculously expensive. On this very page, I see an advertisement by an Indian telco service provider offering a massive 512 kbps for almost 30 dollars a month! And remember that those 30 dollars go much farther in India than they do in the US.

Prices for higher bandwidths are way out of reach for most people. And these high speeds are only available select cities. State owned telco BSNL charges than 130 dollars a month for 1 mbps limited to mere 27 GB data transfer!

In rural areas, it is far worse. You can even forget about decent dial up. Thankfully, cellphone providers are slowly changing this. EDGE is available in a lot of rural areas now and so is CDMA 1x. So rural areas end up getting better speeds through wireless networks than they can by telephone lines. But wireless internet is much more expensive.

Developing countries are not merely a mass of starving poor sick people. They have large bustling cities that generate the money to build facilities in rural areas.

Developing nations: wireless is your friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848545)

Nuff said.

The solution... (3, Funny)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | about 5 years ago | (#29848551)

Pigeon net. [] Apparently a carrier pigeon is faster as well.

Re:The solution... (2, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#29848615)

I wouldn't really call it faster for anything mentioned in TFS because of the fact that while you can get a lot of data really fast via pigeon there is terrible latency.

Re:The solution... (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 5 years ago | (#29848765)

Better stick with turn-based games then!

Re:The solution... (1)

chaim79 (898507) | about 5 years ago | (#29849481)

And on the plus side the use of can assist with starvation issues as well!

Heres the thing... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 5 years ago | (#29848553)

Here is the thing, in developing and third-world nations the infrastructure simply isn't there. Most of the time their countries are located in hostile terrain, either they are isolated by mountains, the sea, have extreme climates, have a corrupt government that doesn't want to help its people, or the people simply live in remote areas. Just look at rural America, there are lots of places where the best you can get is cell phone internet speeds, and a lot of these people live just a mile or two outside of a town. Think of how bigger of a challenge this is where you have people who live many miles from any major town, are dirt poor, and you have to cross hostile terrain. Thats how its like in most of these countries.

Re:Heres the thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848755)

not really,
i live in Bangalore,India. The "sillicon valley of india" and the broadband I have is a miserly 512 kbps connection. I have unlimited download and pay 30 USD a month for it.Given cost of living in India this is a lot of money.

Re:Heres the thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848971)

I don't know if I buy that. I mean, it's still cheaper than the (albeit much faster) connection I have here in the US. But *everything* is more expensive here. I mean, why isn't the article isn't "USA crippled by high cost of living"? Somehow things being more expensive doesn't reduce our productivity.

On the other hand, consider some salaries here in the US which in a many cases are thousands of times larger than salaries in other countries. I don't think these people are necessarily worth a thousand times more that people in other countries.

I guess I'm just trying to say that our monetary systems are completely broken :/

Re:Heres the thing... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849357)

I am not sure I meant that.. A Comcast 6 mbps connection sets you back by 50 USD , but you probably earn say more than 3000 dollars a month.
I however, earn 400 dollars a month and pay 30 dollars for a connection which is 12 times slower tnan yours :)
Btw, most of the things are much cheaper in US. For example price of gas. Gas is more expensive in India than in US.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | about 5 years ago | (#29849361)

It isn't a measure of their worth as humans but of the work that they do.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

TBoon (1381891) | about 5 years ago | (#29848919)

So why does a friend of mine, living in one of the largest cities in Tanzania have to pay several hundred USD a month for a 1-2 mbit DSL connection, with a 20gb cap. Going past that limit costs 10 USD per gigabyte. Not exactly an "isolated area".

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

b0bby (201198) | about 5 years ago | (#29849429)

I would guess that it's partly due to the whole of Africa essentially being an "isolated area" from an internet pipe perspective, partly due to a telecom monopoly, partly due to higher costs from overall lack of markets (ie, not a lot of competition among networking vendors), maybe a luxury tax? I don't know Tanzania, I'm just speculating.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | about 5 years ago | (#29849045)

There is also something more to than just weak infrastructure and that is weak implementation. This may be due to inexperience, corruption, ignorance, etc. I would imagine in developing nations/developed nations, once a project is started, they use the best tech, knowledge from previous projects etc to the fullest degree coupled with the fact that such nations are also less likely to be corrupt, the project itself proceeds faster and ends faster resulting in lower costs that can be pushed to the customer. On the other side, in India for example when they started to build the indigenous aircraft, they missed their deadline by 5 years, its still not done ( supposed to be done by 2004 I think) and overshot their budget by a few billion dollars. Its just an example of how projects are handled differently in different nations. Such inefficient execution can also increase the price of the end product.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

moondawg14 (1058442) | about 5 years ago | (#29849545)

On the other side, in FRANCE for example when they started to build the indigenous aircraft, they missed their deadline by 5 years, its still not done ( supposed to be done by 2004 I think) and overshot their budget by a few billion dollars. Its just an example of how projects are handled differently in different nations. Such inefficient execution can also increase the price of the end product.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

debrain (29228) | about 5 years ago | (#29849067)

Incidental to your post, one theme of Jeffrey Sach's book "The End of Poverty" is that the lack of infrastructure in the developing and especially the subsistent populations of the world is in no small part a result of the lack of population density (i.e. rurality). I think your post accords with this conclusion.

Re:Heres the thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849135)

OK, the subject is "heres the thing". WTF kind of summary is that? How about "Infrastructure isn't there". Learn to summarize your posts.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

Beeelow (1619097) | about 5 years ago | (#29849189)

I think those people have more important things to think about than what's the latest and greatest news on Slashdot 2.0.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

kingduct (144865) | about 5 years ago | (#29849349)

Latin America is majority urban, and most people in rural areas still are relatively close to cities. The remote areas, such as the Amazon, have the lowest population density. Your statement just isn't true, at least in that region.

Re:Heres the thing... (1)

Korin43 (881732) | about 5 years ago | (#29849563)

I read a story a while ago about how copper is worth enough that telephone companies had their cables stolen all the time. The cost of constantly replacing your infrastructure could also affect costs..

'cause what the developing world desperately needs (3, Interesting)

nuckfuts (690967) | about 5 years ago | (#29848579)

is online banking.

Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne (1)

compro01 (777531) | about 5 years ago | (#29848781)

Depends on your precise definition of "developing" is. Once you've got the basic stuff covered, the massive upfront cost of telecom infrastructure can create a serious economic stall when you reach the point where you need it.

Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne (2, Informative)

CannonballHead (842625) | about 5 years ago | (#29849209)

Once you've got the basic stuff covered

Let's let them get that covered first, then, shall we? Can you give me an example of a "developing nation" that has the basics covered adequately?

I think it's kinda funny that the wikipedia entry mentions that many "developing" countries don't like the term "developing nation" because it implies they aren't "developed." Hmmm. I wonder who in the country doesn't like that - the poor that are starving to death, or the rich that seemingly are keeping the country poor by their greed and careless attitude towards the people.

Or that "Cuba" (the nation?) has decided not to follow the "Western model." Yeah, no kidding. I'm sure the entire country is happy with their model and Castro is in power because the people/nation as a whole like him there...

Re: online banking (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848839)

How else is my friend the King Abu Molabi Tiberius of Nigeria meant to provide me with my share of his inheritance? Perhaps the state of internet access over there is why I still haven't heard back from him?

Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne (1)

sorak (246725) | about 5 years ago | (#29849387)

is online banking.

This is an issue that affects everyone. My bank is running a promotion. I get free checking if I pay my Nigerian associates using their online "automatic bill pay" option. But, alas, the royal family is using dial-up, and I have to send my checks by USPS.

Came to say this (1)

SilverJets (131916) | about 5 years ago | (#29849657)

Came to say this exact thing. Some countries look like they are trying to jump too far ahead while they don't even have the basics covered. If you can't reliably deliver food to your people or provide basic health and medical services the last frickin' thing you and they need is internet access.

Re:Came to say this (2, Insightful)

tabrnaker (741668) | about 5 years ago | (#29850037)

um, aren't there still poor people who don't get food or basic medical services in 'developed' nations like the USA? One thing that all nations have in common is that if you have the money, you'll have access to those luxuries. Though i do have to say that in canada you can get food and medical services for free, hell in vancouver you can get your junk for free.

Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne (2, Insightful)

ap7 (963070) | about 5 years ago | (#29849833)

Being dismissive is easy. But online banking improves productivity, especially in rural areas where banks cannot afford to set up branches to serve a few customers. Online banking also eliminates the need to go to the bank. Simply visit the cybercafe and conduct transactions. It is not the luxury that people make it out to be, once they realize how useful it can be.

It is the same with cellphones - they were a luxury earlier. But now, they are necessities in rural areas too. Run a search for Reuters Market Light to see how they have made the cellphone a way of helping farmers earn more money and improve crop production.

Better availability of broadband can open up a new world for rural communities, give them better access to information. There is nothing wrong with striving for better broadband. Other basic needs and the internet are not mutually exclusive.

your official guide to the Jigaboo presidency (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848593)

Congratulations on your purchase of a brand new nigger! If handled properly, your apeman will give years of valuable, if reluctant, service.

You should install your nigger differently according to whether you have purchased the field or house model. Field niggers work best in a serial configuration, i.e. chained together. Chain your nigger to another nigger immediately after unpacking it, and don't even think about taking that chain off, ever. Many niggers start singing as soon as you put a chain on them. This habit can usually be thrashed out of them if nipped in the bud. House niggers work best as standalone units, but should be hobbled or hamstrung to prevent attempts at escape. At this stage, your nigger can also be given a name. Most owners use the same names over and over, since niggers become confused by too much data. Rufus, Rastus, Remus, Toby, Carslisle, Carlton, Hey-You!-Yes-you!, Yeller, Blackstar, and Sambo are all effective names for your new buck nigger. If your nigger is a ho, it should be called Latrelle, L'Tanya, or Jemima. Some owners call their nigger hoes Latrine for a joke. Pearl, Blossom, and Ivory are also righteous names for nigger hoes. These names go straight over your nigger's head, by the way.

Owing to a design error, your nigger comes equipped with a tongue and vocal chords. Most niggers can master only a few basic human phrases with this apparatus - "muh dick" being the most popular. However, others make barking, yelping, yapping noises and appear to be in some pain, so you should probably call a vet and have him remove your nigger's tongue. Once de-tongued your nigger will be a lot happier - at least, you won't hear it complaining anywhere near as much. Niggers have nothing interesting to say, anyway. Many owners also castrate their niggers for health reasons (yours, mine, and that of women, not the nigger's). This is strongly recommended, and frankly, it's a mystery why this is not done on the boat

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Your Nigger likes fried chicken, corn bread, and watermelon. You should therefore give it none of these things because its lazy ass almost certainly doesn't deserve it. Instead, feed it on porridge with salt, and creek water. Your nigger will supplement its diet with whatever it finds in the fields, other niggers, etc. Experienced nigger owners sometimes push watermelon slices through the bars of the nigger cage at the end of the day as a treat, but only if all niggers have worked well and nothing has been stolen that day. Mike of the Old Ranch Plantation reports that this last one is a killer, since all niggers steal something almost every single day of their lives. He reports he doesn't have to spend much on free watermelon for his niggers as a result. You should never allow your nigger meal breaks while at work, since if it stops work for more than ten minutes it will need to be retrained. You would be surprised how long it takes to teach a nigger to pick cotton. You really would. Coffee beans? Don't ask. You have no idea.

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Your nigger enjoys play, like most animals, so you should play with it regularly. A happy smiling nigger works best. Games niggers enjoy include: 1) A good thrashing: every few days, take your nigger's pants down, hang it up by its heels, and have some of your other niggers thrash it with a club or whip. Your nigger will signal its intense enjoyment by shrieking and sobbing. 2) Lynch the nigger: niggers are cheap and there are millions more where yours came from. So every now and then, push the boat out a bit and lynch a nigger.

Lynchings are best done with a rope over the branch of a tree, and niggers just love to be lynched. It makes them feel special. Make your other niggers watch. They'll be so grateful, they'll work harder for a day or two (and then you can lynch another one). 3) Nigger dragging: Tie your nigger by one wrist to the tow bar on the back of suitable vehicle, then drive away at approximately 50mph. Your nigger's shrieks of enjoyment will be heard for miles. It will shriek until it falls apart. To prolong the fun for the nigger, do *NOT* drag him by his feet, as his head comes off too soon. This is painless for the nigger, but spoils the fun. Always wear a seatbelt and never exceed the speed limit. 4) Playing on the PNL: a variation on (2), except you can lynch your nigger out in the fields, thus saving work time. Niggers enjoy this game best if the PNL is operated by a man in a tall white hood. 5) Hunt the nigger: a variation of Hunt the Slipper, but played outdoors, with Dobermans. WARNING: do not let your Dobermans bite a nigger, as they are highly toxic.

Niggers die on average at around 40, which some might say is 40 years too late, but there you go. Most people prefer their niggers dead, in fact. When yours dies, report the license number of the car that did the drive-by shooting of your nigger. The police will collect the nigger and dispose of it for you.

Have it put down, for god's sake. Who needs an uppity nigger? What are we, short of niggers or something?

They all do this. Shorten your nigger's chain so it can't reach any white women, and arm heavily any white women who might go near it.

Not unless it outnumbers you 20 to 1, and even then, it's not likely. If niggers successfully overthrew their owners, they'd have to sort out their own food. This is probably why nigger uprisings were nonexistent (until some fool gave them rights).

Yeah, well, it would. Tell it to shut the fuck up.

A nigger's skin is actually more or less transparent. That brown color you can see is the shit your nigger is full of. This is why some models of nigger are sold as "The Shitskin".

What you have there is a "wigger". Rough crowd. WOW!

They're as common as dog shit and about as valuable. In fact, one of them was President between 1992 and 2000. Put your wigger in a cage with a few hundred genuine niggers and you'll soon find it stops acting like a nigger. However, leave it in the cage and let the niggers dispose of it. The best thing for any wigger is a dose of TNB.

And you were expecting what?

When you came in here, did you see a sign that said "Dead nigger storage"? .That's because there ain't no goddamn sign.

Chiming in from Finland (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848667)

The broadband is everywhere, yes, but to actually get any features you need you're going to have to pay.
Want a static IPv4 ip? No problem, it's available for business subscriptions that cost you twice or three times as much. Want an IPv6 subnet? Sure.. but it'll cost you. How about upload bandwidth that doesn't suck? Go ahead, but it'll double the price and you'll have to use a different technique.

I have two static internet connections (not counting 3G) at home for that reason: ADSL2+ (24M/3M) with a small IPv4 subnet and a /64 IPv6 for every day stuff, and a VDSL2 (100/64M) for hosting anything bigger than a two megabyte image *with a dynamic ip*. If you wanted to have a fat pipe with any of the features users actually need you have to pay hundreds of euros for a decent symmetric SHDSL connection.

For anyone curious the ADSL2+ line costs me 80EUR a month from a smaller enthusiast ISP and the VDSL2 60 eur/month from a big known ISP. I wish they'd offer something usable at lower price :-(

Also I know no ISP that offers fiber to home (they say "fiber" but it means fiber to your block and then DSL/cable from there to you), unless you pay really big.

This is undertandable... (4, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | about 5 years ago | (#29848679)

...You know why? Because for most developing nations, entire major cities are unplanned (read unmapped).

All they do when one is looking for directions is to say something to the effect..."Just near that big tower...behind the "Kofeko" market.

And I know because I am originally from one of those developing nations. The concept of an address does not exist. In fact, I had to think hard and ask my family what I should put on the visa application forms as an address before coming to these United States.

Nuff said.

Re:This is undertandable... (1)

zoney_ie (740061) | about 5 years ago | (#29849861)

You can be a first-world country and do this too though - Ireland, one of three countries in the world not to have postcodes. It makes some online shopping forms a pain though if the postcode field is hard-coded. And note, best to put IRL in these, as an unfortunate incident of a delivery arriving months late with a lot of unusual stickers/postmarks showed that putting NA (for non-applicable) may get your delivery sent via Namibia.

On the other hand, Ireland has some of the worst broadband coverage/speeds in Europe.

Why jump right to broadband? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848689)

Why don't they just use dial-up like we all did 15 years ago. If they don't have a functional telephone infrastructure then maybe that's a problem they should address first.

Release the blinders... (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 5 years ago | (#29848711)

But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet -- like online banking and market tools.

Online banking and market tools does not need broadband. Also, productivity tools are not the main use of the internet, contrary to what many "industry analysts" would tell you. And lastly, the United States is not a single market. Increasingly large segments of this country have fallen to third-world status, and some of our states, if they were independent countries, would qualify for foreign aid from many countries. Especially those where industry has failed, such as Detroit, MI, or most of the southern states which continue to rely on federal tax dollars to subsidize public works projects because the infrastructure has either degraded or has not been built. Fights over water resources are intensifying in some states, for example.

The United States' is significantly behind even some so-called "third world" countries because our corporations have exclusive rights to the data pipes and they are placing more and more restrictions on them daily. There is an erroneous assumption that the market will pressure them to upgrade, or that it's lagging because of a recession, or regulatory costs, etc. Those things might even be true, but they are not the main reason broadband access in the United States is so pitiful: It's because of exclusive contracts with the municipalities and a very few large companies that own those licenses. With no competition, there has never been an incentive to invest in an upgrade. Therefore, while other countries enjoy a competitive atmosphere, the United States does not. We are being outpaced by countries which have state-owned utilities -- China, for example, has a significantly more advanced cell phone network than the United States, and its citizens pay less on average. It is a profit center for the government and upgrades are routinely planned and executed there.

Simply put, in the United States, broadband has stalled because we've combined all the problems with capitalism (monopolies, boom-bust cycles, etc.) with a state-owned system (slow/no growth, not cost effective). Since the dot com bubble burst, no new investment has been made in infrastructure. Some people on so-called "broadband" connections have been so rate-limited or bandwidth-limited that in some cases dialup or satellite provides a more attractive alternative by price-point.

Yes... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 5 years ago | (#29848715)

...just like Nigeria...

Perhaps we should send them some money... you know so they can pay for broadband... I hear the initial investment will pay back something like 10000%!

Re:Yes... (0, Troll)

darksk (1663033) | about 5 years ago | (#29849029)

that sir, is uncalled for. are you implying everybody in Nigeria a scamster? your post reeks of a racist mindset.

Re:Yes... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 5 years ago | (#29850017)

I'll see your racist and raise you Hitler...

+1 Godwin I win!

Seriously though it was a joke, get a sense of humor.

The EU is a really small place (1)

lamadude (1270542) | about 5 years ago | (#29848779)

The EU has half a billion (mostly rich) people living in an area half the size of Australia, this is an ideal situation for broadband development. If you look at just Sudan and DRC together, these are already larger than the 27 member states of the EU combined. I suspect that in Africa, just like everywhere else, relatively wealthy countries with a high population density will have the best broadband connections. (Egypt? South Africa?)

The term you are looking for is. . . (4, Insightful)

JSBiff (87824) | about 5 years ago | (#29849113)

I think the term you are looking for is Economy of Scale [] .

In this case, in the African nations, the cost of Infrastructure and transport to other Internet connected companies is both relatively large (because of a large geographical area that infrastructure has to be deployed to), and has to be shared by a fairly small population of customers. Even if you tried to 'scale up' in Africa, by lowering the cost, there are many people so utterly poor they could not even afford the equivalent of $5/mo for Internet access. That's not to say African nations don't have wealthy people, but as a friend of mine from Nigeria described it to me, there is essentially no middle class in Nigeria (and I think that might be fairly typical of most of Africa) - you have people who are well connected with the government, oil companies, etc, and are rich, and then you have destitute poor people who are exploited by the rich.

Without a middle class, there's no way the ISP's in Africa can get the economies of scale necessary to make broadband cheaper (and, you know, if the only people who can afford your product are the rich, what is your business incentive to make it cheaper? To a rich person, making hundreds of thousands (or millions) of dollars a year, $500/mo is 'affordable', and to the poor, $20/mo is 'unaffordable', so why *try* to get broadband down to $20 or $30/mo? In 1st world nations, the pressure to get the price down is that, even though you might reduce your price by, say, 10 percent per month per subscriber, you have a possibility that you might increase the total number of subscribers by 20 percent oor 30 percent, meaning you actually make more money. Not so in Africa.

Wasn't so long ago access cost by the hour in U.S. (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about 5 years ago | (#29848843)

When I first started using AOL 18 years and 1 month ago, it was $8 / hour in business hours, plus long distance charges --- $4 during non-business hours after the first free 5 or 10 hours each month (and one paid the long distance charges regardless).

Granted, most people were in a metropolitan area w/ a local connect #, but still, bills could easily get into the hundreds of dollars per month.

Once the infrastructure is built and paid for, costs can come down, but one needs the early adopters to pay to run the copper and set up the connections &c.


In Mexico we just got a tax on Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848871)

Here in mexico no only is expensive, we just recived from the morons in the congress a new tax for Internet services.

Priority? (1)

Itninja (937614) | about 5 years ago | (#29848877)

If I lived in what we euphemistically called a 'developing nation' would I not be more concerned with things like food for my family and adequate housing in my community and less concerned with things like connecting to my bank via the web or updating my Facebook status? I can think of no absolute basic (i.e. food, water, shelter) that is, as yet, a broadband-only option.

Re:Priority? (1)

vlm (69642) | about 5 years ago | (#29849131)

would I not be more concerned with things like food for my family []
(of course, if they search for "gold farming" instead of just farming that is an entirely different third world industry)

Google for "online seeds", you get 57 million results, some fraction of which are online seed sellers. Oddly enough on my first page several results are for Cannabis seed sellers, I don't know if that is normal for everyone, or Google customizing my internet experience for me...

Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs (4, Insightful)

Rob Riggs (6418) | about 5 years ago | (#29848907)

This is news? Basic transport is a more important aspect to everyday life in these places. They are not going to have well-planned highway systems or electrical grids. And you want broadband? Build roads, water pipelines, sewer systems and power lines first. Then you can focus on broadband.

Re:Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849069)

you guys are out of touch as to what a developing nation is.
im a canadian living in brasil. Developing country is a term generally used to describe a nation with a low level of material well being. (wiki
oh theres power grids, and water / sewage systems. but hell the 1 mega broad band they offer here is really 100kbps ..
  for the same price as 5megabit in canada ..
its same all over the country you cant get faster then that right now.


It's a right allright... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29848939)

Okay.. so the 1Mb broadband right is a law in Finland.

But I for one am pissed at the price differences between regions. If you live in the vicinity of a moderately sized Finnish city, you might get 30Mb cable connection for about 35 euros per month. Move just 90 kilometers to a smaller town, and you get a 1Mb DSL for 50 euros per month. The consumer can't do anything because usually the smaller cities only have one service provider. The provider can pretty much do anything with the pricing.

How's that fair or cheap? Is this a problem in other countries also?

Serving content (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 years ago | (#29848959)

At least here in Uruguay costs for housing content are extremely high compared with the developed world. I remember last decade when the "standard" connection for 64kbps output was like US$2k. And things didnt improved a lot in the following years. This year finally you could get an affordable (as in US$200/mo) to get a fixed IP (adsl) with 4M/512K connection, but other kinds of (non-adsl) connections could be far more expensive.

And if that is the situation here, don't want to think how bad is in other less developed countries.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849083)

They seem to be doing okay in Nigeria......

Well welcome to the monkey house... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849105)

Mebbe we should introduce some type of cap & trade bullshit so that we can raise the broadband capabilities of the "developing nations" while handicapping the developed nations. That would only be fair. In fact, I volunteer to be the Handicapper General.

- Harrison Bergeron

Obviously (1)

Akoman (559057) | about 5 years ago | (#29849111)

It is clear that the petit bourgeois of the developing world are having difficulty. How are they to manage their bank accounts or find the lowest cost maid service? They live lives that lack basic necessities like online shopping and right-wing blogs! It is vital that we act to improve the lives of those whom we have so much in common with!

cellphones replace much of this in Africa... (2, Informative)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | about 5 years ago | (#29849187)

That'd be why telecos are gearing up for big business including cellular banking in Africa [] .

Don't have banking? News to me. (4, Interesting)

quietwalker (969769) | about 5 years ago | (#29849191)

I write software for banks for a living. Web, mobile, voice, atm, teller, whatever. As far as my industry has indicated, these developing nations rely on cell phones for the majority of their banking, and anyone with enough money to care about banking will likely use a cell phone for that purpose - at least for common daily usage. There are people out there who have to rely on a hand-crank generator or pay a vendor to charge their phone - they have no access to electricity, but you'll note, they STILL have a cell phone.

Even in developing nations, cell phones are incredibly pervasive.

On Average..... (1)

DynaSoar (714234) | about 5 years ago | (#29849213)

Less than half the population of the planet has ready access to electricity, phones, adequate nutrition, clean water, and health care. That's due to developing nations having far more inadequacies per capita than developed.

You're not wrong as in incorrect, you're wrong as in assuming your priorities matter to the people in those countries, because they can't eat bandwidth.

Use Cache Servers (1)

hasanen (745497) | about 5 years ago | (#29849237)

I live in Baghdad and bandwidth here is very very expensive as it comes from VSAT terminals , 1024/512 link costs more than $3000USD/month. As a temporary solution , I started integrating Squid Cache Servers for ISPs , and I am thinking about building a city wide cache network using ICP (Internet Cache Protocol), normally the request hit ratio is more than $40 , with some servers it is 60%.

you need broadband for... online banking ? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 5 years ago | (#29849239)

I think there is some confusion between "broadband" and "internet access".

Step one is Internet Access, 56k modem or GSM/EDGE speeds, which allow you to do 99% of the useful thinks you can do on the web (Youtube and gaming are NOT in that category of useful things, online banking, forums, websites, email, IM are)

Step two, broadband, I see as more of a luxury / convenience thing.

To me, the real cut off should be NOT between broadband vs narrow-band, but between permanent connection + unmetered access vs dial-up + pay for use.

Re:you need broadband for... online banking ? (1)

amplt1337 (707922) | about 5 years ago | (#29849665)

To me, the real cut off should be NOT between broadband vs narrow-band, but between permanent connection + unmetered access vs dial-up + pay for use.

True that, but we can't really make that point when plenty of first-world ISPs would love to roll back the clock to hourly-use and bandwidth-use rate systems.

(Er, acknowledgment given to all the folks noting the numerous more important infrastructure concerns faced by developing nations... of course, that was always my critique of OLPC, but nobody cared then...)

Ridiculous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849249)

"Ridiculously high bandwidth costs"?

If you're so clever why don't you go and sell them a broadband infrastructure for oh so much cheaper.

I'm sure once you've built exchanges (and power plants to run them), hired a cable ship to lay submarine fibres in, bought international bandwidth, servers, hired a huge technical support team to keep this running for more than 15 minutes you'll have no problem with selling people high speed broadband for a few dollars a month! right? hey where'd everyone go? it's easy right? we'll get loads of customers! just need to find a really stupid investor... how about the government? Oh wait, they have no money either


SixAndFiftyThree (1020048) | about 5 years ago | (#29849275)

Like you can't do online banking via touch-tone phone? I used to do that back in the Dark Ages; these days, even developing countries have mobile phone networks, where you can do your banking and market research by text message. Sorry, someone is just trying to scare us.

Re:OGMAB (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849943)

You're right, it's another UN<insertacronimhere> mumbojumbo report trolling the world so we can think they care for developing nations.

I have an idea! what about developed world stop trying to pointing to non sense needs, you're clearly out of touch with reality. "ZOMG! People in Timbuctu can't online banking because they lack a decent over9000 Mb broadband WE MUST DO SOMETHING!" -- thats what happen when the world is 0wned by a bunch of j3ws: the UN it's a laughing stock for 3rd world people.

Want to do something for the developing nations? HACK THE SHIT OUT of the IMF and expose that SCAM

Broadband access does matter (1)

kingduct (144865) | about 5 years ago | (#29849301)

Having spent several years living in Ecuador, I can say that broadband access does matter. Just because other things also matter, such as water, food, roads, and whatnot, doesn't mean that one of the key infrastructural elements of communication and creativity in the world today is unimportant. Yes, I believe that the top priorities must be health care and education, since they are the basis of what can be provided to help people improve their lives, but other infrastructural issues are important, and indeed are among the tools that can improve health care and education.

The real problem however is not costs. The real problem is inequality. This makes the few powerful and they then manipulate prices to their own benefit. Infrastructure is much cheaper to set up, because normal laborers make a fraction of what people in the first-world make, yet the rates for using that infrastructure are much higher in absolute terms.

Re:Broadband access does matter (1)

kingduct (144865) | about 5 years ago | (#29849399)

To expand a bit, the way capitalism is supposed to work involves equal access to information and markets. Currently there is extreme inequality, which is why broadband access is so expensive, and that expense makes access to information and market even more unequal in today's wired world.

Confusing Cause and Effect (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about 5 years ago | (#29849307)

There seems to be an assumption that because countries are poor, the broadband costs are high. I believe the inverse, that they are poor because broadband (and many other) costs are high.

Why are costs high? Almost always because of government meddling, artificially high barriers to entry, and corruption.

if they're developing... (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 5 years ago | (#29849339)

Then what do they have to bank, or market? FiOS in every home is probably at the bottom of the list when you're forced to eat mice to survive in Zimbabwe.

Wealth distribution... (1)

SebaSOFT (859957) | about 5 years ago | (#29849359)

Whenever corporations realize that a good resource distribution leads to a bigger ammount of clients, they will start developing the countries themselves, because a non-poor people is a better customer than a poor one. In the developing countries, many people still harvest their food, and not buying it from the nearest Wal-Mart, get it?


Education? (1)

cf18 (943501) | about 5 years ago | (#29849365)

How about education as a productive use of broadband?

enjoying productive use of the internet (1)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | about 5 years ago | (#29849385)

"— like online banking and market tools."

and porn.

STOP searching solutions! (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 5 years ago | (#29849405)

You haven't even found the real cause! No, cost is no cause. It's a symptom. The real cause is what you get, when you trace it all the way back, until there is no way of tracing it back any further.

I bet $100, that you will come out at the actions of the WTO. (Notoriously known for keeping levels artificially out of balance. At the profit of those, who are the most powerful in the WTO. You know who.)

Of course, in the time between searching for that cause, you can look for options that circumvent the problems at the most widest level possible. Like making it possible for the people there, to create their own, completely independent broadband net from next to no money.

That's yet another reason, why the OLPC project was such a great idea (independent of its execution). One OLPC with a proper Linux installation, and fast long-distance WLAN/WiMax per town, could suffice. Count the people in all developing nations with high bandwidth costs, divide by 1000, and you have a rough estimate for the number of computers you'd need. Then do the rest, just like every other successful charity organization. Make one of those stupid charity festivals. They might be stupid, but they raise large sums of good money in short times. And with being the single most helpful charity plan in the whole wide world (because you don't give fish, but teach how to fish), you have the chances on your side.

Oh, and if you're an engineer: Come up with a really really cheap broadband tower and system, that can basically be built out of trash and by a non-expert. If you do that, you are good with all social urges to help others, for the rest of your life. ^^

You Fail it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849443)

hand...don't but I'd rather hear the 8umbers. The the reaper BSD's name on the jar of Are looking very BSD sux0rs. What so that you don't that should be

Broadband costs can be high in the EU... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849447)

depending on which country you live in, and in which area of the country.

Define "Productive" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849597)

Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying ... porn

There, fixed that for you.

Oh Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849653)

Again, this is code for Marxist redistribution of wealth. There will always be developed countries and there will always be 3rd world countries. Nobody has the right to a certain standard of living. The United States went from a small developing nation to a world superpower. Why, hard work and inginuity. China is doing the same now. We are not responsible for every 3rd world toilet.

It is after all, a developing nation (1)

minion (162631) | about 5 years ago | (#29849673)

But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet — like online banking and market tools."

I don't want to sound like a meanie, but by definition, that is a developing nation. We all had to start somewhere and develop into what we are today.

Someone needs to stop thinking broadband is a right. Its not. TV isn't. Radio isn't. You aren't born with a right to broadband internet access.

What's wrong with dialup or GSM/CDMA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849677)

Everyone else started with dialup, why can't they?

Further, cell phones are so prevalent in some developing countries even the bums have them. Why not use the wireless infrastructure?

How many people in developing countires... (1)

rnturn (11092) | about 5 years ago | (#29849749)

... even have enough money and a computer to even be able to do online banking? I imagine they're far more interested in having potable water, something to eat, and a roof over their heads before they even think about needing a computer or a broadband connection.

Geez. The folks that come up with these studies need to get out a little more.

In Thailand (2, Interesting)

Orion Blastar (457579) | about 5 years ago | (#29850039)

the phone and stringing wire and cable costs more because of the climate, the ground tends to flood a lot and won't hold the poles, and the economy is so bad that the technology costs a lot.

My Thai in-laws had ISDN 128K BPS speed but paid a lot for it, and only had the USB interface to it. I wondered why they didn't have DSL or Cable modems, but it seems ISDN is cheaper and uses the ordinary phone lines.

Most Thai people have cell phones because the land near them won't take on ordinary phone lines and cell phones are cheaper than the land based phone. But something like an iPhone or Blackberry costs them like $900USD or almost 30,000 Thai Bhat. Not because they are being price gouged, but because the economy is so bad that technology costs more there. The cost of computers, game consoles, cell phones, DVD players, TV sets, etc are all high because of that. But food and clothes are cheap because they are not technology based and produced by native farms and companies. The technology made by native companies is usually cheaper than technology from foreign companies, but the iPhone, Blackberry, etc are all foreign made.

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