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Android / Windows 7 Dual Boot Netbook Disappoints

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the accepting-patches dept.

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Barence writes "PC Pro has got its hands on Acer's Aspire One D250 with both Windows 7 and Google Android installed. Anyone who's played with an Android phone had better get ready for a let-down: Android is far from ready for netbooks. The review laments the lack of a proper Marketplace, the poor implementation of both the inbuilt browser and Firefox, and the general pointlessness of it all in its current incarnation as a quick-boot alternative. Yes, it will get better, but at the moment it's hardly going to lure people away from even Windows 7."

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future (1)

runyonave (1482739) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849285)

There's always hope for the future.

Re:future (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849641)

If a nigger and a white man both run into a tunnel at the exact same time, which one comes out first? The white man, because the nigger had to stop and spraypaint "motherfucker" on the wall, or maybe one of those illegible gang signs with the balloon-looking letters.

Re:future (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850135)

Because the "nigger" tripped over his own cock.

Re:future (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850469)

That is easy. The nigger comes out first because he robbed and killed the white man. He might still spraypaint the wall, but that is irrelevant because the white man is already dead and won't be coming out of the tunnel other than in a bodybag.

Re:future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29851551)

That is easy. The nigger comes out first because he robbed and killed the white man. He might still spraypaint the wall, but that is irrelevant because the white man is already dead and won't be coming out of the tunnel other than in a bodybag.

You reason like a nigger -- nigger.

People rarely try twice (5, Interesting)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849289)

[...] at the moment it's hardly going to lure people away from even Windows 7.

Not only that, but it will give Android a bad reputation. And given that people usually stick with what they know and rarely (if ever) check alternatives, it might be a long time before they try Android again.

Heck, Apple switched to a Unix core for their OS almost a decade ago and I still talk with people who think Mac OS 9 when they hear about Macs.

Re:People rarely try twice (3, Interesting)

rumith (983060) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849495)

Not only that, but it will give Android a bad reputation

Why? The masses aren't likely to even hear about this netbook should it be a commercial failure (which is most likely), and the techies know better than to expect a smartphone OS to work for netbooks. So if anything, this will give Acer bad reputation.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852151)

Unless the netbook is successful, but people learn that the instant-on Android OS is unusable, ie an expensive non-feature. The last thing a new platform needs for marketing is a broken deployment,

Re:People rarely try twice (5, Interesting)

skgrey (1412883) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849503)

This makes me very sad. It seems lately with all of the press of Android that's being aimed at the "typical" (read: non-geek) crowd (especially that Droid commercial against iPhones), usability like this is extremely bad. My wife, a total non-geek, knows what Droid and the Android OS is because she found the commercial interesting. If she tried Android out on a Netbook and had a bad experience she wouldn't ever try it again.

I've had a hard enough time getting her to use an iPod touch and now she loves it, but believe it or not she is doing INCREDIBLE with Windows 7 with little to no help from me, right off the bat. She actually said it was intuitive, and she is not a computer person in the least.

Android needs to get their act in gear quickly, especially if they are going after main-stream, non-geek people, as these people won't be coming back anytime soon, no matter how much their geek husbands beg.

Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850803)

What the shit? Why are you blaming Android? Android was never meant to be run on a netbook. Blame Acer for doing something boneheaded as this. Android should not be run on netbooks for the same reason you don't put Windows 7 proper on a Phone. It doesn't mesh well with the intended interface. Acer has been really fucking stupid in the netbook market lately. First with that piece of shit distro Linpus (I mean really Linpus) and now with Android. Acer is acting less like a coherent company and more like a bunch of slashdotters experimenting on a netbook to see if Android could run. Sounds cool but is commercially insane.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

noundi (1044080) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851671)

What the shit? Why are you blaming Android? Android was never meant to be run on a netbook. Blame Acer for doing something boneheaded as this. Android should not be run on netbooks for the same reason you don't put Windows 7 proper on a Phone. It doesn't mesh well with the intended interface. Acer has been really fucking stupid in the netbook market lately. First with that piece of shit distro Linpus (I mean really Linpus) and now with Android. Acer is acting less like a coherent company and more like a bunch of slashdotters experimenting on a netbook to see if Android could run. Sounds cool but is commercially insane.

Acer should have taken the easy road and just partnered with Ubuntu for a netbook remix integration. There's a huge community there already with enormous quanitities of contributions. Saying that Android was never meant to be run on a netbook means you have no idea how silly one entitys constrains are on FOSS code. It was bound to happen, unfortunately Acer is doing a really shitty move economically. Android doesn't sell itself, it has to be usable and good. Acer is just hoping for a free ride, which is just pathetic. And not because it's "business as usual", but because it's a plain bad move from all perspectives, including monetary. Ultimately people won't buy your product if it's bad.

Re:People rarely try twice (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850925)

Android needs to get their act in gear quickly

This doesn't have a damn thing to do with Android. Android was not made for laptop computers. Properly implemented on a cell phone, MID, or PMP, Android runs exceptionally well, is intuitive, powerful, and fun. Acer is the problem here. I don't understand why companies take something like Android or Linux and implement it so poorly as to be practically worthless. Seriously, if you're going to do it, do it right.

Look at Apple, they took BSD and made it into something beautiful (not that it wasn't beautiful before). The implementation job they are doing is awesome. There is no reason at all why some other company can't do the same thing other than either gross incompetence or just not giving a shit.

"alternate" desktops work well in the smartphone (3, Insightful)

alizard (107678) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851695)

market because people don't have fixed expectations as to how a smartphone UI will look, feel, and act, and expect to have to dig through menus or the instruction manual to do anything over and above simply making a phone call.

Netbooks look enough like "real" computers that people expect the UI to look and feel like a computer UI, not a smartphone UI.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

skgrey (1412883) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851789)

I probably should have clarified a bit so it made a little more sense, I wanted to keep my post fairly short and concise but I can see that I didn't get my point across very well as I re-read it and see the responses.

Most of my friends (and some of hers) are geeks, and many of them talk about technology and have Netbooks. I should have specified that if she heard from geeky people that Android wasn't great, or tried one of their laptops, it wouldn't be a good thing at all. The old adage that there's no bad press doesn't apply in this situation, and my example was a microcosm of community and the way bad tech press travels in many circles, especially with Android advertising so heavily in the mainstream. And don't even get me started on how other companies could twist this around and use this to give Android a black eye.

When I talked about Android getting their act in gear it was twofold; if they are going to try and be viable on a laptop now's not the time to start that unless they can do it right immediately (not sure if this is even on their roadmap), and it was also about squashing this kind of bullshit that Acer is doing! This is not the time!

Android is in a very precarious situation right now - the last thing they need as they hit the mainstream is a black eye. I'm all for Android and Google. Great products and strong competition advance products and makes things better for all of us! Please, please make an iPhone killer; it will either make my next iPhone that much better or I will have an Android phone next.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

SchroedingersCat (583063) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852137)

Android was designed for touch screen interface - finger-friendly touch screen to be exact. No wonder it feels "clunky" using a pointer device like mouse/touchpad.

Re:People rarely try twice (3, Insightful)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851131)

True, an OS that takes many attempts and several years to get it right will never make it in the marketplace.

Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29851747)

Yeah, I know, right? Linux will never make it. Any OS with a paltry 60% of the server market (look for it, its in there). [pcworld.com] is hopeless. Might as well give up now. Especially these poor fools. [google.com]

Hell, anybody [wikipedia.org] with low marketshare should just throw in the towel and quit wasting everybody's time, right?

Oh...

Re:People rarely try twice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29851823)

And how many desktops compared to servers do you think there are in the world? Having the majority of the server market is great, but it doesn't mean squat in the overall numbers of desktops out there. Being "king of the retards" means you are still a retard.

Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29852135)

Wow, defensive little Wintard. Don't worry, I promise I won't pull Ballmer's cock out of your mouth.

Only you can do that.

Re:People rarely try twice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849547)

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Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850379)

Hahahahahah. .....ahahahahahahhaahahaa.

Re:People rarely try twice (2, Insightful)

LarryRiedel (141315) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849761)

So which mobile phone OS (not Moblin or Chrome OS) will they be running on their netbook as an alternative?

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849893)

None. The whole point of this exercise is to address shortcomings in the main O/S and how its configured with the hardware. A more reliable implementation of hibernate or sleep will make this moot. Instead of shutting down and then waiting several minutes to boot the next time you want to use the computer, you'll just put it in hibernate or sleep mode and wake it up when needed. Windows hasn't been very reliable about doing this in the past, Once fixed, you won't need a secondary O/S for fast access.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851863)

Huh? I've never had a problem since windows 2000 with hibernation or sleeping. I did have issues with windows 7, but the damned card reader driver wouldn't release. A proper driver fixed all my issues. In my experience hibernation in linux is basically like russian roulette. It has never worked for me, personally, but I kind of gave up trying a year or so ago. Wait a second. I'll try it in a VM on virtualbox 3.08....wow...it worked. Its about time. Wish the virtualbox tools would work under 9.10......

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852059)

I do and not just with Windows XP. Mac OS/X (10.4) had occasional issues restoring connections after wake up too. In fact with XP on our Thinkpads at work, freeze ups related to docking/undocking and hibernation are a daily occurrence.

Whether it is a problem with drivers, background apps or the ACPI or any other problems, it is something that needs to be fixed. If hibernation and/or sleep are seen to be reliable they will be used more often instead of shutdown so the need for something like the solution Acer's tried will be unnecessary.

Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849823)

Lure away from a product that is not released yet?

Re:People rarely try twice (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849859)

People tend to talk. Stuff usually lasts your generation + some of the next.

Look at diesel engines. GM so farked up their implementation that everyone thinks they're slow, smokey, smell and can't start it the winter. Meanwhile Europe has 50+% diesel adoption.

I STILL get people (and young people that don't even remember the 70s) that tell me diesels can't start in the winter. I ask them how they like my 1998 TDI that is sitting out in the parking lot and they're floored. I tell them that my previous car was a 1986 diesel. Anemic as shit with no turbo but I was getting 50 MPG before Toyota even thought of a hybrid. Not to mention I can run it on any heavy oil from JP-1 to the shit that comes out of your deep fryer.

Anyone that has tried Linux in the past and found it too difficult has passed that knowledge on to their friends. "Linux doesn't do X" even though X was solved 3 years ago. Android has given a good name to Linux such that they don't know that it is. If Android screws up then someone big (as big as Google) is going to have to come up with another name for it.

Re:People rarely try twice (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849909)

Lets see.

From the complaint that's there, it sounds like simply fixing the market (aka enabling) will take care of 90% of the problems. this of course assumes customer firmware can make nice flavors of android for this purpose.

meanwhile, I thought google was making their own chromeOS anyway, which wasn't a smartphone OS (as below).

Re:People rarely try twice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29851693)

Heck, Apple switched to a Unix core for their OS almost a decade ago and I still talk with people who think Mac OS 9 when they hear about Macs.

yes, and even here on Slashdot, the image many people have and portray of Windows is based on decade old Win9x. Sadly, people are set in their ways.

whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849293)

Can I put Ubuntu on this Acer machine?

Re:whatever (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850125)

It's just an ordinary Atom netbook, with a special software load. There's a few different versions of the D250, I'm typing this on an XP-only version.

Re:whatever (1)

ChrisMaple (607946) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851995)

Yes. I used "wubi" to load kubuntu and install it. I can't recommend it, my guess is that straight Ubuntu would be better. My efforts to install a Linux from a USB stick were unsuccessful; the image wouldn't boot.

Editorializing (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849309)

Nice editorializing - "Even Windows 7?" Cheap shot - you can do better than that, Slashdot

Re:Editorializing (3, Insightful)

kingduct (144865) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849705)

The Slashdot community doesn't pretend to be unbiased, and why should it? The important thing is that you, as a reader, be able to interpret and understand what others say.

Re:Editorializing (4, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849887)

Maybe slashdot should change their slogan to "opinions for nerds" then ;)

Re:Editorializing (4, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850531)

"Opinion for anti-MS nerds" perhaps? There are plenty of nerds who aren't religious about hating "M$" and appreciate cool technology wherever it comes from.

Re:Editorializing (1)

djtachyon (975314) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851109)

Maybe slashdot should change their slogan to "opinions for nerds" then ;)

If Slashdot has to then Fox News has to as well! ;)

Re:Editorializing (1)

Churla (936633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850041)

I openly dare you to substitute "Fox News" for "slashdot" and e-mail this to Rham Emanuel. Just to see how many watch lists you end up on ;)

Re:Editorializing (2, Interesting)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849721)

Nice editorializing - "Even Windows 7?" Cheap shot - you can do better than that, Slashdot

I don't think the editors of Slashdot can do any better.

Just the other day they made it sound like Windows 7 was uninstalling google toolbar and iTunes but it turned out that Windows 7 reinstalled it after the update. The person who made that comment in the story said it was the best Windows upgrade he had ever gone through.

If you had just read the title and/or summary it would seem like Microsoft was purposefully uninstalling competitors software when it wasn't even remotely the case.

Re:Editorializing (3, Informative)

Churla (936633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850073)

As a note from personal experience.

Going XP 32 bit to Win 7 64 bit - The "export your files and settings" thing actually WORKS now. Fresh install, reinstall office and firefox, import the previous settings all worked flawlessly (including ALL my FF add ons...). Most painless Windows upgrade I can remember.

I'm completely shocked. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849347)

Who would have expected that a slipshod port of a system designed for one human interface mechanism would fail on another? They even left out important features, what could possibly have gone wrong? Does this mean that my plan to port Bash to my wristwatch will be unpopular in the marketplace?

Seriously, though, this seems like completely unsurprising news. Just slapping dead-stock android on something(without even bothering to include features that are standard on smartphones, like the app mechanism), while giving no thought at all to the differences between a touchscreen and a touchpad, seems like an invitation to failure.

Bashwatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849745)

Actually bash on a watch would be awesome if it supported wifi and had ssh (and didn't drain the batteries in a few minutes).

Serial-Killing Pedophile/Windows 7 Disappoints (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849379)

That guy who killed those little kids, eat their organs, and stuffed their bodies is a real disappointment. Also Windows 7 is not so cool.

Re:Serial-Killing Pedophile/Windows 7 Disappoints (0, Flamebait)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849767)

It reminds me of watching Chris Matthew on Hardball.

Anyone who criticizes Obama or supports the 2nd amendment is automatically a lifetime member of the KKK and believes Obama was born on Pluto.

Re:Serial-Killing Pedophile/Windows 7 Disappoints (2, Funny)

jpcarter (1098791) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850629)

It reminds me of watching Chris Matthew on Hardball.

Anyone who criticizes Obama or supports the 2nd amendment is automatically a lifetime member of the KKK and believes Obama was born on Pluto.

Good thing he's the only cable news personality to behave in such a manner.

Well... (5, Insightful)

rumith (983060) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849419)

I doubt that Google had netbooks in mind when they released Android. Keep in mind that they have announced ChromeOS to be their operating system for netbooks (and possibly over time more powerful machines as well), and it should be pretty clear that Acer's experiment had very low chances to succeed anyway. However, if ChromeOS and Android somehow use compatible app markets, that might be interesting...

Re:Well... (2, Funny)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850427)

It's a plot! Redmond is secretly paying off Acer to do this, so that they can give Android a bad rap and save Windows CE. I have proof but I can't take my tinfoil hat off right now....

This is caused by too much software (0, Offtopic)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849437)

It has too many bits. If there were fewer bits for the central processing unit to process, the CPU would process them faster and the users of the computer would be happier. But these days it's all about bits and how much money you pay for the bits and bytes etc. I liked it better back in the old days when my dick was a mile long.

Awesome review! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849453)

This is the best review of Windows 7 so far! "Windows 7: It sucks less than Android"

p.s. I upgraded from Vista (which I actually like and have been using since its release) last night ... so far so good.

no touch screen (3, Insightful)

czmax (939486) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849459)

From the article:
"Indeed, where Android's browser makes sense on a smartphone's touchscreen, it just doesn't translate here. The process of clicking and holding the left mouse button, while pushing up to scroll the page down, seems clunky and counter-intuitive,"

Gosh, they took an OS designed for a touchscreen and tried a simplistic hack to make it work with a touchpad... and this isn't easy to use? Well, duh. This says nothing about Android and everything about the marketing folks that messed up.

Re:no touch screen (3, Insightful)

unitron (5733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849875)

I know they aren't your words, but it is "scrolling" as we know it that is counter-intuitive, at least to anyone who's ever seen actual scrolls, even if only in the movies.

Re:no touch screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850353)

I'm going to be modded to oblivion for saying this, but IMHO a large part of this is that Android is a open platform and Google doesn't restrict the use of the trademark.

Android is a great mobile phone platform, but it's a crappy notebook platform. That's fine - the GUI which works on a cell phone doesn't work on a notebook - everyone (except maybe Microsoft who seems to insist that mobile phones should have a start menu) has figured that out.

But because Android is an open source platform and because Google isn't restricting the use of the Android brand, vendors are putting Android on machines that are inappropriate.

And that in turn really hurts the Android brand (and unfortunately Linux as well since it reinforces the idea that Linux isn't ready for prime time).

Re:no touch screen (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850411)

They should have used a touch screen in the netbook. There are touch screen netbooks out there (dell latitude 2100 for one. There are touch screen replacement screens for other models if you wanted to hard hack a touch screen in). Acer should have just made a model with the touch screen as the display for the android netbook.

Re:no touch screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850463)

Gosh, they took an OS designed for a touchscreen and tried a simplistic hack to make it work with a touchpad... and this isn't easy to use? Well, duh. This says nothing about Android and everything about the marketing folks that messed up.

Wait...I thought Android was also designed for keyboards (you know the reason people hate the iPhone). Bunch of phones are coming out with physical keyboards (even the mysterious Droid...ooooh).

So what is the excuse for scrolling being messed up...or is Android only so-so for keyboard devices.

Here we go again... (3, Interesting)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849497)

Isn't this the same old story we keep hearing? This F/OSS OS isn't ready for primetime, etc, no better than Win xxxx ... Seriously, can't we do better as a whole? So what if one "analyst" at a tech website says it sucks. Everyone jumps on board... maybe try it out for yourselves, and exercise some independent thought for once?

Re:Here we go again... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849629)

maybe try it out for yourselves, and exercise some independent thought for once?

This is slashdot. We don't do that around here anymore, you must be new here.

Re:Here we go again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850893)

You'll be lucky if we comprehend the summary, let alone FTFA.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851849)

You'll be lucky if we comprehend the summary, let alone FTFA.

Wow, FTFA ? People are generally asked to (though seldom actually do) RTFA. I'm not sure what would entail FTFA.

Nah, Nah, Nah. I can't hear you.... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850619)

Isn't this the same old story we keep hearing? This F/OSS OS isn't ready for primetime, etc, no better than Win xxxx ... Seriously, can't we do better as a whole? So what if one "analyst" at a tech website says it sucks?

First impressions matter.

Android as the "fast booting" Linux mini-OS had little to offer when compared directly to Win 7 Starter Edition installed on a mediocre entry level netbook.
______

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade Family Pack (3-User) [amazon.com] $150 I believe this is a first for Microsoft.

Upgrade from XP or Vista. 32 and 64 bit.

Holy vague summary batman (3, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849581)

I'm not really sure what the writer is trying to say with things like

the lack of a proper Marketplace,

Do you mean you can't connect to ebay, craigslist, or google shopping? What is a marketplace in relation to an operating system on a computer?

the poor implementation of both the inbuilt browser and Firefox

I presume this means built-in browser?

and the general pointlessness of it all

When did things need to have a point to be featured on slashdot? It wasn't that long ago there was a front page story here about running linux on the kindle. Though if you want a point in the general sense, try:

in its current incarnation as a quick-boot alternative

Because that is probably all the more point a lot of people need from it.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849703)

The Kindle runs Linux. The impressive thing was setting up a chroot and installing Ubuntu in full on the device.

It was also fairly useful, as it enabled certain features that you couldn't get off a normal Kindle.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849717)

Do you mean you can't connect to ebay, craigslist, or google shopping? What is a marketplace in relation to an operating system on a computer?

App Store, I presume.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (2, Informative)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849729)

>> the lack of a proper Marketplace,

> Do you mean you can't connect to ebay, craigslist, or google shopping? What is a marketplace in relation to an operating system on a computer?

The capital "M" means it's a proper noun. It's referring to Android Marketplace.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (1)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852027)

And the Win 7 Marketplace is where ? .. I knew what it was referring to, I just don't see the point of complaining that one OS doesn't have something when the other doesn't either.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (0, Troll)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849785)

the lack of a proper Marketplace,

Do you mean you can't connect to ebay, craigslist, or google shopping? What is a marketplace in relation to an operating system on a computer?

It's kind of like the functionality provided by apt-get, but only you have to pay for everything. And it's shiny.

Re:Holy vague summary batman (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850519)

Incorrect. I'd say 90% of the apps worth getting are free. And all apps overall about 98-99% are free. I've only paid for a few, most notably the nesroid NES emulator on my G1. Unlike the user-unfriendliness of the command-line-based apt-get, the Marketplace is a point and shoot affair that doesn't require special keys or repositories to be added just to get an app.

Be careful about spreading misinformation, it makes you look like a clueless idiot. Par for the course, I guess, for most of the cute little computer science weenies that permeate slashdot :)

Re:Holy vague summary batman (1)

immortalpob (847008) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850233)

I presume this means built-in browser?

No they meant "inbuilt browser", note the co.uk domain... not everyone speaks English like we do in America. Grammar nazi fail.

I know we're supposed to be anti-MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849663)

But can we at least *pretend* like we don't have biased noses sticking up in the air?

"Yes, it will get better, but at the moment it's hardly going to lure people away from even Windows 7."

The burning question is... (2, Interesting)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29849699)

but at the moment it's hardly going to lure people away from even Windows 7

From the reviewer's POV Win 7 Starter Edition looks pretty damn good.

The burning question, though, is why anyone would opt against booting into Windows 7 in the first place. Cold booting does admittedly take about three times as long as Android...but waking from hibernation takes a mere 20 seconds, just five seconds longer than the quick OS.


Windows 7 might feel a touch more sluggish than XP Home...but its refinement and ease of use come as ample reward, and importantly it suffers none of the aggravating limitations of its Google-powered rival.


As it stands, novelty merely serves as a brief distraction from the D250's competent, but unremarkable charms. We still hope future updates will reinstate the marketplace and make more of Android's obvious potential, but there are much better netbooks available for less.


The Verdict:


Google's Android OS provides a disappointing distraction from an otherwise average netbook

Re:The burning question is... (1)

bill_kress (99356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850201)

It'll be interesting to see if 7 can repeatedly enter and exit hibernation without going wonky. I know a few people said they could get XP to do that, but it really only worked on a pristine system and even then would fail after hibernating more than once or twice.

I'd be even happier if their suspend worked reasonably well. My mac notebook resumes from suspend in just a few seconds (if that) and is always usable before I'm ready to use it--and when doing so it is 100% reliable when doing so no matter how many times you suspend/resume (in my 2-year history). It also has a pretty amazing hidden hibernate function that works so well you never know it's there--but some day when your mac is suspended, yank the battery for a few minutes and put it back in--it will magically restore from hibernation rather than suspend, but regardless it continues from exactly where you left off.

Honestly, I know this is getting way too far O/T, but I can't believe I've never seen a video of a side-by-side comparison of Windows and Mac doing the standard things--booting up, suspend, hibernate, restore, low stress battery runtime test, high use battery runtime test, ...

Since the cheapest mac beats every PC experience I've ever had in every one of those categories by a significant amount, you'd think that would make for a no-brainer advertisement.

Re:The burning question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850431)

XP always had problems sleeping and hibernating, but these functions work perfectly in Vista.

I've slept and hibernated my Vista laptop thousands of times since I've bought it, without any glitches.

Re:The burning question is... (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851765)

I can't believe I've never seen a video of a side-by-side comparison of Windows and Mac doing the standard things--booting up, suspend, hibernate, restore, low stress battery runtime test, high use battery runtime test...

You put your audience asleep.

Without having proved much of anything really.

There are just too many variables - in hardware, software, usage patterns, operating environments and so on.

The simplest and cheapest way to extend battery life is with a heavier battery pack.

The "instant on" browser needs "instant access" Wi-Fi or cellular.

Which it may or may not get.

Re:The burning question is... (1)

fullgandoo (1188759) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852049)

My experience on the Mac is approximately the same as on XP. Most of the time I don't have a problem in enter/exit hibernation on the Mac. But once in a while (a couple times a month), I can't get the login screen upon opening the laptop lid. Then I have to close the lid and open it again a few times before it works. And a couple times a year, I do have to cold boot when just nothing coaxes a login screen.

Then, sometimes it also takes a few minutes for the wireless connection to get working and occasionally I need to cold boot for this to work (though this might be a problem with my router).

Overall, same experience as when I use the XP (as far as getting in and out of hibernation is concerned).

Re:The burning question is... (1)

bill_kress (99356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852181)

How do you usually convince the mac to hibernate? Usually you have to pull the battery or let it drain all the way--is there some trick I don't know?

Also, you're right about it being different, but I have almost never seen a PC (out of dozens) that can stand more than 4-5 suspend/resumes or 2-3 hibernates, and I've never seen a mac (out of 5 or 6) that has a problem with it.

I am fairly careful about not opening the lid until the light is winking though--I think I saw someone have a problem with closing the mac and opening it right away, so maybe part of it is that usage habit.

Also--seriously--same performance? My mac is able to take keystrokes within SECONDS, like 2. The wifi is usually up and ready before I need it (5 seconds or so).

My XP machine doesn't even accept keystrokes for like 20-30 seconds after a resume from suspend, and then it's chunky.

Perhaps you've figured out some trick to make it always hibernate instead of suspend and that's why you find the performance similar? I almost never use the hibernate feature (Which is another interesting point--my PC will suspend for about 5 hours, my mac for about 20...)

Get out of town! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29849827)

"at the moment it's hardly going to lure people away from even Windows 7."

This fledgling OS won't lure people away from even the the latest, greatest incarnation of the most popular operating system of all time? Really?? Time to throw in the towel, Google.

What I don't get (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850015)

What I don't get is the choice of BOTH OSes on this thing. If you read the specs [pcpro.co.uk] this thing is maxed out at 1Gb, which makes it a poor choice for Windows 7, which most reviews I've seen set 2Gb as the "sweet spot" for that OS to really perform, and Android? WTF? A mobile phone OS? Neither choice makes any sense at all. If they wanted a "quick boot" like we see in certain motherboards they should have put an embedded Linux in a ROM and went that way.

So to me this whole thing makes no sense whatsoever. Windows is being starved for RAM, and the Linux based OS is running on a platform it was never designed for, and which they apparently didn't bother to really tweak it for, although I doubt all the tweaks in the world will turn a phone OS into a Netbook OS. The only thing I can figure is some marketing genius got caught up in the buzz behind both OSes and said "Hey, if Android and Win7 have buzz, we can put out a Netbook with BOTH and get double plus buzz!" but as we have seen time and time again playing buzzword bingo usually ends up a giant can o' fail, as we can see here.

Re:What I don't get (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29850277)

Further more, the review is extremely lopsided.

For example:
"Even that Android-friendly incarnation of Firefox is less than stellar. It does at least support Flash, allowing you to catch up with the latest additions to iPlayer or YouTube, but jerky, unwatchable playback completely spoils the show."

Well, this is a problem with the hardware. There are tons of websites that talk about poor performance of Intel Atom when it comes to handling flash and other online video. Btw, where is the review about how these videos performed in Windows 7... hmm.. no mention

"That would be disappointing enough, but then there's the conspicuous lack of the Android Market to contend with"

So does Windows 7 has a Marketplace? Where is that?

"It's an omission that immediately curtails Android's aspirations. Checking email and perusing websites is possible, as is using Google Apps, and while there are music and photo applications, these come as some little recompense since they also prove clunky and unsophisticated."

This is so vague....

Re:What I don't get (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852513)

What I don't get is the choice of BOTH OSes on this thing. If you read the specs this thing is maxed out at 1Gb, which makes it a poor choice for Windows 7, which most reviews I've seen set 2Gb as the "sweet spot" for that OS to really perform, and Android? WTF?

The install is Windows 7 Starter Edition. Two steps down from Home Premium.

"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about Win7 (2, Informative)

DoctorSVD (884269) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850085)

Sorry, but I think your "even Windows 7" swipe is silly. As much as I love *nix and like to poke fun at Microsoft (I grew up on SunOS, HP-UX, IRIX, and Linux), I find Windows 7 to be a delight to work with (I run RC1 at home on two systems, an old P4 system and a newer Core 2 Duo). I would love to see a good desktop version of Linux, but Gnome, KDE etc. are just not polished enough (yeah, yeah, Ubuntu is pretty nice and all, but the desktop is still klunky). As a developer I miss the power of the command line tools in the Linux development environment, but as a casual user (and casual gamer) I am really liking Win7.

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (1)

sabernet (751826) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850367)

I'm just hoping the horrible issues I've had while playing Steam games(random bouts of lockup for a few seconds while my CPU has a seizure) or the extreme choppiness of the openGL viewport in Maya can be resolved with better drivers from nVidia. If not, I may need to switch back. Yes, it's miles above Vista and Aero Peek is an awesome feature, but still....these better just be growing pains or driver features(which I can understand on a new OS) and not some stupid attempt by Microsoft to screw with OpenGL or non-WinLive games.

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (2, Informative)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851245)

I run plenty of steam games on Win7 RC with an 8800GT and have experienced absolutely none of your issues

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (1)

sabernet (751826) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851553)

Good to know. You must be very happy indeed. Seriously, what's with the caps? Did I offend you? As for experiencing none of my issues(okay, so that is a little fun), I'm far from the only one running into issues of losing acceleration on hardware shading mode in the Maya OpenGL viewport.

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (1)

heffrey (229704) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851319)

Why don't you just run those command line tools on Windows?

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (1)

DoctorSVD (884269) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851903)

I do use Cygwin occasionally, but it is slower than molasses and escaping of strings involving \ can be a nightmare. I'd be happy to learn of a better alternative.

Re:"even Windows 7" - no need to be snarky about W (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852757)

Try OS X. Apple managed to put a solid GUI on a *nix base a LONG time ago. you can pop open a terminal window and "bash" away any time you want. When I first saw OS X, I thought it would be the catalyst that provided inspiration to the Linux community, leading to a golden age of Linux interface design. Turned out, not so much. There have been improvements, of course, but progress is slow.

Acer tradition? (1)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850105)

I call conspiracy as Acer is a traditional MS whore (builts hardware specifically for Windows, drivers suck on Linux, etc...).
I would not be surprised if they did this Android exercise to show how great Windows 7 is as well as knock Android down a notch before WinMo6.5 (and Zune) comes out.

Re:Acer tradition? (1)

tech10171968 (955149) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850831)

Probably not but, then again, I wouldn't be surprised to learn you were not far from the truth. In fact, I've always had a BIG problem with how Linux has been implemented on these netbooks. It seems as if most of the OEMs just sort of threw any old thing on these machines, and that optimizing the installs for the machines was an afterthought (if they even thought of doing it at all). I have sort of a pet theory on why Linux on many netbooks was half-baked: my guess is that the manufacturers were probably looking to use XP (or some other flavor of Windows) all along, but the price point would have put the retail cost of the products over what they were aiming for. Someone gets the big idea to throw on Linux, using the OS as leverage; they knew that the last thing Microsoft wanted was to lose out on a potentially burgeoning market due to being caught with their pants down (Ballmer and company MUST have dominance in all things IT-related, not just desktops), And that MS would pull out the stops to keep anyone not named Microsoft from even gaining a foothold. Apparently, the ruse worked: XP OEM licenses (as we all know by now) were offered for a song. Everybody wins: the OEMs get their Microsoft OS for next to nothing, keeping the retail price at a reasonable level ; and Microsoft, in keeping XP around for just a little while longer, gets to use it as a stopgap measure until Windows 7 goes RTM and hits the store shelves. IOW, I believe Linux got used, and that there was no real commitment on the part of the OEMs to doing it right in the first place.

It'll be news when a netbook doesn't disappoint (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29850979)

Granted, the software on my G1 phone still isn't ready for prime time, but I believe anybody that is used to a real computer would be disappointed working on a netbook. They generally combine the limited battery life of a notebook with lack of screen real estate and optical drive of a PDA.

Android really is effectively beta software. (Still haven't added Bluetooth Stereo profile?!?) The amazing thing is that they are charging people lots of money for phones based on this work-in-progress. By the time it has as much work put into it as, say, iPhone OS has now, it should be a much more satisfying experience.

Name doesn't make any sense anyway... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851007)

Android: An android is a robot or synthetic organism designed to look and act like a human.

I suppose it is supposed to infer a humanistic or human centric intuitive interface.

However it: Doesn't look like a human. Doesn't act like a human. Isn't a robot.

At least Ubuntu is a philosophy and Windows can count and describes a feature.

Of course what the hell do apples or Macintosh's have to do with anything I do not know.
Of course they have they have the best name of the bunch (ignoring leopards and tigers etc)...
I mean OS 9, OS X nothing more simple than "Operating System" + "Operating System" + 1

Re:Name doesn't make any sense anyway... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851051)

Oops forgot a "=" rather than "+"

a) I don't edit
b) none of my programs actually work and I only comment in my mind.
c) I don't care :)

For people used to desktop OS functionality (1)

alizard (107678) | more than 4 years ago | (#29851659)

I don't really see any reason not to go with a conventional Linux desktop any more than netbook manufacturers see any reason to go with anything but a conventional XP or Win7-lite install for their netbooks. Give me conventional desktop icons and a normal taskbar and the normal selection of Open Source apps, not giant icons to programs that don't do much and a handful of programs from a company repository that prepare the netbook for websurfing and not much else.

The only important consideration is that the hardware drivers are available, just like on any other Linux installation.

I blew off my "easy, fun" dumbed down Xandros desktop for Kubuntu on my Eee PC900 at the first possible opportunity.

Once again... (2, Insightful)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29852199)

...a Windows PC company tarnishes Linux reputation by pre-installing something that is not Ubuntu on a consumer device.

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