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Ubuntu "Karmic Koala" RC Hits the Streets With Windows 7

ScuttleMonkey posted about 5 years ago | from the cute-cuddly-linux dept.

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oranghutan writes "Computerworld is reporting Canonical has made available the Release Candidate of its latest Linux-based operating system, Ubuntu 9.10, on the same day Microsoft launched the long-awaited Windows 7. 'The upcoming Canonical release, which is code-named Karmic Koala, is the latest version of the popular flavor of the Linux OS. The development release on Thursday pushed the OS one step closer to final release, which is due on Oct. 29, according to the company's release schedule Web page. An image of the OS is available for download on Ubuntu's Web site. Test versions of Karmic Koala RC available for download include the server, desktop and netbook versions.'"

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ubuntu is for niggas (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849927)

and fags

FIRST POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849937)

KARMA COMES BACK TO YOU!!!

Rock on (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849941)

Rock on Ubuntu.. I hope 9.10 fixes a lot of the nagging usability issues and bugs of 9.04 and yonder. I love Linux but am frustrated at the slow evolutionary , ugly looking UI, nagging bugs, compatibility issues and lack of enough bundled Open source utils.. I would HATE to switch back to Windows , hope it never happens

Please use the torrents (3, Funny)

Daffy Duck (17350) | about 5 years ago | (#29849945)

I live for high upload:download ratios

CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (0, Offtopic)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | about 5 years ago | (#29849947)

Re:CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849987)

no one cares

Re:CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (5, Informative)

geckipede (1261408) | about 5 years ago | (#29850239)

It's so very tempting to mod this Informative...

Re:CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 5 years ago | (#29850425)

Yes anybody that is smart enough to use CentOS keeps track of it's releases.
That should be part of the Linux IQ test.
If you use Fedora to run a prodcution server you fail.

Re:CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#29850437)

I would imagine lots of folks with jobs do. I get it, Centos is not big with the unemployed living in Mom's basement demographic, but trust me outside that locked door there is a whole world with many people that do care about it.

Re:CentOS 5.4 is out, too. (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | about 5 years ago | (#29850561)

WHOORAY!! I am raging hard right now, nothing like repackaged RHEL!
No, I not joking, I seriously use it.

Need hardware! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849953)

I'm looking forward to the official 9.10 release, but I really want some new hardware to run it on! Almost all the netbook offerings are going the XP/W7 route. Providers like system76 [system76.com] have some OK offerings, but they are on the pricey side. I wish I had a wide selection of hardware without having to pay the Microsoft tax!

Re:Need hardware! (2, Informative)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about 5 years ago | (#29850409)

So pay the tax then file for a refund. There's a bajillion articles on the entartubes that describe the process of getting a refund for the bundled 'doze license. (No, I'm not going to search for you.)

Re:Need hardware! (1)

Brian Feldman (350) | about 5 years ago | (#29850537)

Buy one and sell the Windows 7 license to me. I wouldn't mind saving some cash.

6 days? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849961)

I don't really follow Ubuntu's release cycle, but isn't 6 days between RC and final release a tad short?

Re:6 days? (2, Informative)

tjwhaynes (114792) | about 5 years ago | (#29850019)

No - the RC is usually nearly identical to the actual release. Only if there is something totally disastrous (eats your data, leaves dirty socks in the hall, sleeps with your girlfriend/boyfriend/cat/dog) would the final release be delayed.

Re:6 days? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850131)

i fucked your g/f last night while wearing your dirty socks... guess it will be delayed

Re:6 days? (0, Redundant)

rumith (983060) | about 5 years ago | (#29850141)

- Help! Call the police! A huge Koala has trashed my hall with a load of dirty socks, and is now fucking my girlfriend!

Re:6 days? (2, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | about 5 years ago | (#29850259)

A huge Koala has trashed my hall with a load of dirty socks, and is now fucking my girlfriend!

      Well the Koala is getting sloppy seconds, but I think your girlfriend was starting to enjoy the Jackalope.

      Oh wait, what are we talking about? This is slashdot. You don't HAVE a girlfriend...

Re:6 days? (1)

lwsimon (724555) | about 5 years ago | (#29850317)

I call bs. If you'd said he'd shot up the place and fled, I'd have believed you.

Koala: noun. A large bear, found in China. Eats, shoots, and leaves.

Re:6 days? (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 5 years ago | (#29850565)

I call bs. If you'd said he'd shot up the place and fled, I'd have believed you.

Koala: noun. A large bear, found in China. Eats, shoots, and leaves.

What the Hell is a Koala doing in China?

Re:6 days? (1)

lwsimon (724555) | about 5 years ago | (#29850615)

Hangin' with Pandas.

What's the point? And, look who's coming to dinner (2, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 5 years ago | (#29850371)

No - the RC is usually nearly identical to the actual release. Only if there is something totally disastrous (eats your data, leaves dirty socks in the hall, sleeps with your girlfriend/boyfriend/cat/dog) would the final release be delayed.

You joke, but almost every Ubuntu release I can think of has shipped with major problems that never get fixed. Once it "shipped", despite few reasons to do so (this isn't a commercial software release), major bugs sit ignored. For example, one release had numerous bugs like dimming the screen due to inactivity, and never un-dimming it. It was never fixed. In general, the Ubuntu release model is astoundingly ignorant, assuming that because they release every 6 months, there's no need to fix functionality problems in releases. This is especially problematic given the lack of QA and focus on Shiny(TM). The latest release is all focused on "Cloud Computing" buzzword compliance, not stability or reliability.

Don't get me started about the issues with the Intel GMA drivers. "8.04LTS" worked fine on a number of systems, and 9.x caused never-ending forum postings from users wondering why the hell they couldn't get X going. The KVM stuff has also been incredibly half-baked. I'm pretty sure there's still no way to use virtual-builder to deploy a VM on an logical volume. It'll build the machine, but fuck up the kernel/bootloader install, and the end result is a machine that won't boot. I've got a machine sitting here that crashes Xorg after a few minutes; the mouse goes dead, and we've tried 6 different mice.

Lastly, Canonical has been getting uncomfortably cozy with tying in pay-for services into the OS, either theirs or 3rd parties. I was shocked when I logged into a 9.x machine and got a welcome message that pushed their statistical monitoring "service". Now I see all sorts of Cloud Computing crap. It's becoming increasingly clear that Canonical isn't in this for the good of the world, but lining their pockets via what is essentially bundling agreements. You know how we need wipe Dell and HP systems of all the shit they "bundle"? Well, look who's coming to dinner: third-rate "partners"...

Re:What's the point? And, look who's coming to din (3, Informative)

yuhong (1378501) | about 5 years ago | (#29850445)

Don't get me started about the issues with the Intel GMA drivers. "8.04LTS" worked fine on a number of systems, and 9.x caused never-ending forum postings from users wondering why the hell they couldn't get X going.

Yep, that is well known, and yes it is mostly fixed in 9.10.

Oh heck (3, Funny)

WindBourne (631190) | about 5 years ago | (#29850175)

it worked for God. Miracles CAN happen, when you apply yourself.

Shitty Summary and Article (5, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | about 5 years ago | (#29849973)

News would entail what's new in this version.

Non news is a "hey guys Ubuntu has something new too" cry for attention amidst the Win 7 release.

Ubuntu is great and all, but this article is crap.

It barely gets around to mentioning:
"Built on the latest Linux 2.6.31.1 kernel, Ubuntu 9.10 offers faster boot times, an improved user interface and programming tools for easier software development, according to Canonical."

Re:Shitty Summary and Article (1)

fredjh (1602699) | about 5 years ago | (#29850621)

I don't know... it's an interesting reminder. I'll peruse the release notes that the other poster gave a link to, but really... the only reason I'm not excited about a new release is because everything in 9.04 is working right for me.

gggreat!!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29849977)

This should please all three linux desktop users.

Win7 wtf?! (2, Interesting)

da_matta (854422) | about 5 years ago | (#29849983)

Why, oh why is this annexed with Windows 7. The release of either affects the other in no way what-so-ever. If Ubuntu beta/rc is not news worthy by itself, releasing on the same day with Win7 doesn't change that in any way. And yes, even one sentence about what's new in this would not hurt...

Re:Win7 wtf?! (1, Interesting)

Hadlock (143607) | about 5 years ago | (#29850043)

Well I was going to buy Windows 7, but since it looks like 9.10 LTS is coming out on the 29th, I'll save $125 and get my OS for free! Thanks Slashdot!

Re:Win7 wtf?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850231)

Well I was going to buy Windows 7, but since it looks like 9.10 LTS is coming out on the 29th, I'll save $125 and get my OS for free! Thanks Slashdot!

Is 9.10 LTS? I thought that the next LTS was 10.04?

Re:Win7 wtf?! (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 5 years ago | (#29850401)

You are correct, good sir! Maybe I'll buy Windows 7 instead! I guess you could say Vista was not an LTS release! ha HA!

Re:Win7 wtf?! (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29850293)

I am confused about Ubuntu's naming scheme.
- Windows is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 (actually 6.1).
- Mac OS is 10.1, 10.2, ..., 10.5, 10.6.
- Ubuntu is Year.month so it goes 2004.xx, 2005.xx, ..., 2009.xx. Right? What's the "Karmic Koala" part mean?

Re:Win7 wtf?! (3, Informative)

Truth is life (1184975) | about 5 years ago | (#29850323)

"Karmic Koala" is just the code/theme name for the release. Like how Mac OS releases are called things like "Panther" or "Snow Leopard".

Re:Win7 wtf?! (2, Funny)

quadrox (1174915) | about 5 years ago | (#29850335)

Uh yeah, I clearly remember my Windows 4 and my Windows 5 boxes...

Re:Win7 wtf?! (4, Informative)

Minwee (522556) | about 5 years ago | (#29850495)

Right click on "My Computer" and select "Properties". You will see the Windows version number there. That option is available on such operating systems as Windows 95 (4.00.95), Windows 98 (4.10.1998), Windows EffingSucks (4.90.3000), Windows 2000 (5.0), Windows XP (5.1), Windows 2003 (5.2), Windows Fistsya (6.0) and the curiously named Windows Seven (6.1).

So, unless you are a die-hard Applista or just started using computers this year, you probably do remember your Windows 4 and 5 boxes very well.

Windows 4 existed. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850523)

Windows NT 4, to be exact, which was released in conjunction with Windows 95/98/Me

Re:Win7 wtf?! (0, Troll)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29850461)

Actually I think most of Linux is confusing. Looking at the wikipedia entry for Ubuntu, I see a whole bunch of variants:

- Xfce
- Xbuntu
- Gnome
- Kubuntu

Huh? What? Huh? I see Xfce described as being "lightweight for older computers" but no system requirements. Is a 386 too slow? 1 meg of RAM too small? It is unclear. (Your typical Joe or Jane Q. Public will give-up at this point, and buy a Windoze PC-compatible or Apple Mac instead.)

Re:Win7 wtf?! (5, Insightful)

jipn4 (1367823) | about 5 years ago | (#29850659)

(Your typical Joe or Jane Q. Public will give-up at this point, and buy a Windoze PC-compatible or Apple Mac instead.)

You're comparing apples and oranges. Your typical Joe and Jane Q Public couldn't figure out which version of Windows or OS X to install on their machines either, nor will they know whether to install Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, or Ultimate. The problem is the "having to install part", not the names.

Buy Linux preinstalled and it won't overtax your brain. People will have made reasonable choices for you.

Besides, none of those installations lock you in; it's one command to upgrade to any other one.

Re:Win7 wtf?! (1)

immortalpob (847008) | about 5 years ago | (#29850481)

windows is more like: 1,2,3,3.1,3.11,95,98,2000,ME,XP,Vista,7... I have yet to figure out the scheme.

Re:Win7 wtf?! (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about 5 years ago | (#29850497)

It's a cutesy internal name for the developers to avoid having to spend all day spouting numbers when talking about stuff, or for "people in the know" to sound smarter.

Current version is Jaunty Jackolope, and they all try to be clever by using {adjective} {noun} alliterative scheme where {noun} is an animal that inhabits the isle of man.

Like "Snow Leopard" or "Longhorn"*

*What kind of jackass names an operating system after a cow??

Re:Win7 wtf?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850441)

9.10 is not the new LTS, it is a regular cycle upgrade. The new LTS will be either the 10.04 release, or 10.10. That will only be decided in November at the next Ubuntu summit.

Re:Win7 wtf?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850133)

You may have noticed that every item this week is about Windows 7, which according to some people doesn't nearly suck as much as Vista, or ME, or 3.0, or 98 and only nearly as much as XP or 2000.

Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

rumith (983060) | about 5 years ago | (#29850001)

Such as bug 452518 [launchpad.net] (saving MS Word format documents using Open Office KDE shipped with Kubuntu 9.10 can result in corrupted files).
However, the list of great features planned for this release is amazing! Ubuntu is no longer "Debian with a graphical installer and brown theme", it has become a pretty interesting distro on its own merit.

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (5, Informative)

Dunbal (464142) | about 5 years ago | (#29850177)

This bug was reported on Oct 15th, and fixed on Oct 22nd. What more do you want?

Of course if you're a Microsoft slave, you can wait for a bug to be fixed "when we get around to it", which will probably be in SP1 in 4-6 months or so - depending on how buggy THIS Windows version is... (sometimes they have to release the SP faster, like with Vista).

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

yuhong (1378501) | about 5 years ago | (#29850357)

Or if you need a fix now, you could try searching the MS Knowledge Base for a KB article describing the problem, and see if a hotfix is available. If it is available, thanks to the introduction of online hotfix request, you could request the hotfix for free right there. If not, you could try to contact MS support and talk about the problem, whether that is free or not depends.

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

g1zmo (315166) | about 5 years ago | (#29850515)

Or if you need a fix now, you could try searching the MS Knowledge Base for a KB article describing the problem, and see if a hotfix is available. If it is available, thanks to the introduction of online hotfix request, you could request the hotfix for free right there. If not, you could try to contact MS support and talk about the problem, whether that is free or not depends.

No thank you.

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#29850533)

Except for the fact that no bug is getting fixed in 7 weeks much less 7 days in the MS world.

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (3, Informative)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 5 years ago | (#29850183)

However, the list of great features planned for this release is amazing!

I'm looking forward to officially-supported VDPAU [wikipedia.org] . Even with a moderately beefy Athlon X2, playback's a little jerky for 720p AVCHD movies from my camcorder. With some hacking and PPAs, I can get VDPAU working with 9.04, and it's much better - CPU usage massively reduced, yet smooth playback.

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

the_crowbar (149535) | about 5 years ago | (#29850505)

You could also try using the packages from www.avenard.org Jean-Yves is very active in the MythTV realm and has been packaging up mplayer with vdpau support for quite some time.

Cheers,
the_crowbar

Re:Still some very important stuff to fix (1)

tjwhaynes (114792) | about 5 years ago | (#29850187)

That bug 452518 is already committed for the actual release.

Would have been better (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 5 years ago | (#29850023)

had they released it several days ahead of 7.

Re:Would have been better (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850111)

The 2009-10-29 release date was chosen over 8 months ago [ubuntu.com] , several months before Microsoft announced their release date [microsoft.com] for Windows 7.

Re:Would have been better (4, Informative)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 5 years ago | (#29850169)

No, I don't think it would have made a difference when they released it. Canonical sticks to a strict release cycle every April and October and they won't alter their release date just to try and compete with other operating systems. They're appealing to a fairly different user base, anyway.

People who are weighing the option of Windows 7 vs Ubuntu 9.10 as their primary OS are going to make their choice regardless of which one came out a week earlier.

Re:Would have been better (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 5 years ago | (#29850225)

But the problem is that all sorts of ppl are out working diligently to get 7 installed on systems, fighting configuration, checking how much is exposed to the net, finding out what apps are broken, etc. Basically, it will be a year before these ppl pull their head out of their system and are actually able to play with another OS.

Re:Would have been better (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about 5 years ago | (#29850593)

Lynx doesn't come out until April, though. That's half a year for the next LTS release, which people who struggle with an operating system for a year will prefer over the bi-yearly schedule...

Re:Would have been better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850395)

No, actually, it's better to release it a few days after, right around the time everyone realises Windows 7 is just the same old shit, and starts looking for an alternative.

If you're going to mention windows 7... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850049)

...then I'd at least like to remind everyone that Arch is always up to date.

Seems solid so far (3, Informative)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | about 5 years ago | (#29850061)

I upgraded a week or so back, seems solid so far. PulseAudio seems to be properly configured now, haven't had weird audio routing issues yet at least...

Boot is supposed to be faster, haven't clocked it so I'm not sure it actually is. But then again my desktop has been through several dist upgrades already.

But if you have an ICE1712 / Envy24 (M-Audio Delta) based pro sound card stay away, it's currently broken. Fortunately I boot to windows for my music making needs... ;)

Re:Seems solid so far (1)

thectrain (880905) | about 5 years ago | (#29850601)

I second that sound does not work with the Delta cards. Very annoying bug considering it worked fine in 9.04.

There is only one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850063)

Karmic Koala, is the latest version of the popular flavor of the Linux OS

Seems that there is only one popular flavor.

Re:There is only one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850373)

Yeah, never mind that Fedora actually has more users than Ubuntu. They're just quieter. :)

Re:There is only one (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#29850569)

Do you still have to bother with getting the mp3 and such stuff elsewhere?

Are the default rpm repositories still nearly useless?

I use RHEL and Centos at work and used to use fedora years ago. In all cases the repos are about pointless. You have to go to Dag for anything really.

OpenBSD, Mac OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850083)

Since there's an apparent competition going:

OpenBSD 18th oct, 14 days ahead of schedule. Mac OS X 10.6 28th aug, 1 month ahead of schedule.

Windows 7 fails before the race (-1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 5 years ago | (#29850089)

It's official Windows is the worst OS of all time ever programmed, people are going to come on and call me a troll or flamebot of what ever else but who cares. I've had my last f***ing round with windows. Updates that completely wipe out drivers, C programs which fail for no reason 1 hour after they worked. Programs choosing to close because they can't respond, having to restart the computer to do pretty much anything. Opps I moved my mouse better restart because who knows what f***ing broken and poorly programmed Windows API just failed and needs to bed updated.

People say windows is getting better, there is nothing better about Windows 7 then there has been about any other release. Windows works as well as an OS released in the alpha stage of development. It's only after 3 service packs, 2 new releases and a 60 year old CEO crying on national TV that they manage to fix a 6 year old release bug. Well as far as I'm concerned this time will be the last time for me on Windows. To many programs that fail, freeze, lock up, stop responding or do something else completely random. in fact Windows update decided that out of no where that my girl friends CDROM driver needed up dating, and now it doesn't work. It updated to a driver that conflicts, really really good idea, lets update to drivers that don't work so we force our customers to buy the new versions. Well in this case I have Windows 7 for free, I won it and it's going to make a great cup holder, although I'm a little worried that the cup might stop responding or the cup might just fail for no other reason then being near a Microsoft product.

I can only hope by Windows 8 they get at least 1 developer that graduated high school because at some point I'd love to use there "easy to use" system which for pretty much everyone I know is the "Come over and fix " system. if i wanted something broken i'd install freebsd, I want something that work that means I want Linux.

Re:Windows 7 fails before the race (3, Insightful)

SilverEyes (822768) | about 5 years ago | (#29850147)

Pills... find your pills...

Don't worry (2, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | about 5 years ago | (#29850265)

Window's 8 will fix all those issues, once Mac and Linux develop the solutions.

Re:Don't worry (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 5 years ago | (#29850383)

lmfao, of course. They do the development, Microsoft does the stealing!

What Do the Status Colors Mean? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 5 years ago | (#29850093)

The KarmicReleaseSchedule [ubuntu.com] shows that 10/22/2009 was the scheduled date for releasing a Release Candidate, so the project is on schedule. But what do the colors in the Status column mean? Just escalating "hotness" (excitement) as the final release date approaches?

Re:What Do the Status Colors Mean? (2, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 5 years ago | (#29850215)

What I want to know is, what the heck does a RC build mean to these guys? The (only) RC is dropped one week ahead of the final release? That's not really enough time to even get feedback from the test userbase, much less actually do anything about the bugs that might show up. So, are we to assume that the RC is basically just a marketing stunt?

Re:What Do the Status Colors Mean? (2, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 5 years ago | (#29850625)

AFAICT, Canonical has always released on time (perhaps one exception, late by only a week or two out of 6 months). The RC gives them a chance to delay without being a total surprise, though the don't (hardly) ever exercise the option. And their actual releases don't seem any buggier than any other distro's, in fact a lot less buggy, and never a showstopper, and quickly (and regularly) followed by automated bugfix updates.

So what that says to me is their release process is very rigorous. And that they use the RC protocol anyway. All of which sounds good to me.

Re:What Do the Status Colors Mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850639)

It's exactly what its supposed to mean: A candidate for the final release. There should be almost no fixing between the release candidate and the final release. And since they have 8 "unstable" releases (6 alphas, a beta, and an RC) between each 6-month "stable" release, they get plenty of feedback. When you can just go download a nightly build any time you want, and recompile specific components any time you want to test them, there's no reason to have a large RC testing period.

Code Name Runner-up (2, Funny)

allknowingfrog (1661721) | about 5 years ago | (#29850095)

"Karmic Koala" is great, but I would like to believe that "All-knowing Frog" was a close second.

Re:Code Name Runner-up (1)

mujadaddy (1238164) | about 5 years ago | (#29850129)

Actually, it was "Colonic Kookaburra"

Re:Code Name Runner-up (2, Interesting)

allknowingfrog (1661721) | about 5 years ago | (#29850555)

That does have a certain ring to it. Maybe next time.

Karmic Koala (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850107)

I'm running Xubuntu 9.10 on my laptop and it works great!

Seamless upgrade from 9.04 over breakfast this morning, even with full disk LUKS crypto. Works like a charm.

I'm still waiting for (1, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | about 5 years ago | (#29850189)

Zoonotic Zebra

Re:I'm still waiting for (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850511)

Lonely Loser will be the next release name.

Causality is wrong (5, Funny)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | about 5 years ago | (#29850217)

Ubuntu's fall release date has been set in stone for years, the RC release date has been up since before Windows 7's release date was announced.

Microsoft is the company that chose to release Windows 7 on the same day as Ubuntu's release candidate, not the other way around. Seems like Microsoft wanted to overshadow and minimize the latest release of Ubuntu, and do so without actually permitting Ubuntu to compete.

Re:Causality is wrong (2, Interesting)

caladine (1290184) | about 5 years ago | (#29850333)

Or, just maybe, the fall is a great time to release a new OS to cash in on all the holiday period new PC sales?
Do you seriously think that Microsoft even considers Ubuntu a competitor for the desktop at this point?
To act like there actually is something to minimize at this point in time is facetious.

I dearly wish there was something to minimize, but let's not kid ourselves.

Re:Causality is wrong (2, Interesting)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | about 5 years ago | (#29850439)

I agree in general that there isn't a serious competition. But I can't believe that Microsoft chose the Ubuntu fall RC date by accident, given that it was on the Ubuntu calendar back in June when MS announced the Windows 7 release. They want the buzz as people begin using Windows 7 in the next couple weeks to totally eclipse the usual buzz that comes with a new Ubuntu release (Anemic as it may be, you still get gushing Slashdot posts and the like.) MS wants all eyes on Windows.

Re:Causality is wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850563)

The Ubuntu release made news on /. the DAY AFTER it happened. If that doesn't speak volumes as to the relative importance of the two events, nothing does.

Re:Causality is wrong (2, Funny)

petrus4 (213815) | about 5 years ago | (#29850627)

Microsoft is the company that chose to release Windows 7 on the same day as Ubuntu's release candidate, not the other way around. Seems like Microsoft wanted to overshadow and minimize the latest release of Ubuntu, and do so without actually permitting Ubuntu to compete.

LOL. This literally could potentially cause derisive laughter to the point of choking.

Microsoft would have to be certifiably insane to consider Ubuntu even a marginal form of competition.

Even if they weren't light years ahead in other areas of usability, Microsoft *are* ahead of Ubuntu in at least one, basic, critical area. Stable hardware support that actually works. You know, as in sound support that doesn't die every few hours, or graphics drivers that don't intermittently cause kernel panics.

Seriously, Linux users who try and claim that any Linux distribution has any remotely conceivable chance of legitimately competing with either Microsoft or Apple at this point, literally leave me gasping. The amount denial and delusion engaged in is mind boggling.

Ubuntu reached a point, once, where I thought that could eventually become true; but since Hardy, Canonical have blown it completely.

Here's a thought; try going into your local computer place, where they have a Mac displayed for people to play with, and try using it yourself. You will probably only need to for a few minutes, in order for the point to be made.

I predict four different possible responses to this post, as well.

a) I will be accused of being a corporate shill. (Believe me, I wish that were true; I could use the money. ;))

b) I will be accused of being, "disingenuous," which is apparently a favourite word of GNU/drones and other members of the "community." Either that, or various other forms of subjective ad hominem will be used, without any attempt made to back them up whatsoever.

c) I will be given the, "it doesn't matter how far behind it might be in technical terms, it's FREE!!!1!1!1eleven," argument; which presupposes that anyone who is either a) sane or b) hasn't been subjected to FSF mind control, actually cares about that. Hint: They don't.

d) This post will be down-modded to -1, Flamebait, Troll, or Overrated, because I'm making statements which cause cognitive dissonance in Linux Youth.

Prove me wrong, Linux users.

Netbook version (1)

2names (531755) | about 5 years ago | (#29850257)

Anyone know if the netbook version will allow my HP Mini 5101 to use the on-board mobile broadband feature (qualcomm u2400 I think)?

transparent system tray in awn (3, Interesting)

jeffstar (134407) | about 5 years ago | (#29850269)

I've got hardy on my thinkpad at the moment. I'm considering upgrading just because the new gtk in karmic enables a transparent system tray so AWN will finally look right [blogspot.com] .

I never liked having two horizontal bars or panels on my screen, especially on a 14" widescreen. too much wasted real estate. especially when applications have a title bar. then add fire fox book mark bar, menus and address bar and that doesn't leave a lot of real estate!

AWN with google chrome makes the most of it.

Need screen space? Move stuff to the bottom panel. (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 5 years ago | (#29850475)

I never liked having two horizontal bars or panels on my screen, especially on a 14" widescreen.

Here's how I solved that in Ubuntu Jaunty on my 9" laptop:

  1. Turn down system font size
  2. Remove trash and e-mail icons
  3. Remove date from clock
  4. Collapse user switching widget to an icon
  5. Unlock the panel widgets and drag all widgets from the top panel to the bottom panel (yes, it's more cramped than Windows because there are three start menus in GNOME)
  6. Remove top panel
  7. Lock the panel widgets

how long until (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 5 years ago | (#29850271)

the next Crunchbang release, then?

Win 7 vs Linux (5, Funny)

leathered (780018) | about 5 years ago | (#29850281)

Re:Win 7 vs Linux (1)

leathered (780018) | about 5 years ago | (#29850311)

My deepest apologies, should have tagged that NSFW, depending on who you work for of course.

RC for only a week? (2, Insightful)

gravis777 (123605) | about 5 years ago | (#29850283)

Isn't the point of a release candidate to give people enough time time to make sure a product is stable and ready for prime time release, and to fix issues should they arise? Wouldn't an OS, with a whole slew of apps, require a bit mroe than a week for this? I mean, a release of Firefox is usually in RC for several weeks, if not months, before it goes from RC to official release.

Re:RC for only a week? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 5 years ago | (#29850389)

They have had Alphas since May, I figure 5-6 months is plenty of time to iron out the bugs.

Re:RC for only a week? (1)

Korin43 (881732) | about 5 years ago | (#29850447)

No that's the point of all of all of the alphas and betas. The release candidate is supposed to be "This is done, we just want people to test the final version before we release it".

RC is not for that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29850637)

RC is for companies who wish to begin using the new system as soon as possible. They get pretty much the finished product to test with their systems a while before the official release date. At that point it should be pretty bug free already.

But for a system like Ubuntu, there is just no point in long RCs.

Seems faster on my eee PC (1)

thue (121682) | about 5 years ago | (#29850291)

The interface on my eee pc using ubuntu 9.04 was very slow, probably some issue with the graphic card driver. 9.10 works much better for me.

Silly Microsoft! (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 5 years ago | (#29850299)

Thinking they could steal Ubuntu's thunder! And Steve Ballmer, when asked about this, pretended not to know what Ubuntu was! As if Ubuntu isn't as well known around the world as Microsoft Windows!

Silly Steve!

Oh and silly Slashdot, the only place anyone would even consider tying these two release stories together!

SeaLab 2021 (2, Funny)

Archfeld (6757) | about 5 years ago | (#29850359)

"It's like a koala crapped a rainbow in my brain"
I'm all for Linux but who comes up with these names ??

Re:SeaLab 2021 (2, Funny)

AioKits (1235070) | about 5 years ago | (#29850641)

Nomenclature Ned, of course.

from the free-software-as-a-lecture dept (1)

Eil (82413) | about 5 years ago | (#29850573)

The upcoming Canonical release, which is code-named Karmic Koala, is the latest version of the popular flavor of the Linux OS.

That's GNU/Linux, you insensitive freeloading RMS-hating clods!

Nothings perfect (2, Interesting)

bmullan (1425023) | about 5 years ago | (#29850649)

I've been using the Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala beta for some time and its pretty solid. I upgraded my Windows Vista Ultimate with Windows 7 Ultimate. Windows told me of about a dozen programs that would no longer work. iTunes would have to be reinstalled/upgraded, etc. And I've yet to get Bluetooth Advanced Audio working ... which seems to be broken for quite a few folks. Win 7 doesn't appear to give any greater performance than Vista did (my observations only).
Ubuntu v9.10 Karmic costs me $0
Windows 7 cost me $219.

I've now using Ubuntu as the Host OS and I'm running Windows 7 as a Guest OS virtualized in KVM... works great and no dual boot any more. If Windows crashes and burns I can just start a new VM.
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