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"2012" a Miscalculation; Actual Calendar Ends 2220

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the lost-in-translation dept.

Idle 600

boombaard writes "News is spreading quickly here that scientists writing in a popular science periodical (Dutch) have debunked the 2012 date (google translation linked) featuring so prominently in doomsday predictions/speculation across the web. On 2012-12-21, the sun will appear where you would normally be able to see the 'galactic equator' of the Milky Way; an occurrence deemed special because it happens 'only' once every 25.800 years, on the winter solstice. However, even if you ignore the fact that there is no actual galactic equator, just an observed one, and that the visual effect is pretty much the same for an entire decade surrounding that date, there are major problems with the way the Maya Calendar is being read by doomsday prophets." I wonder what Amazon's return policy on a box full of 3 doomsday wolves shirts is?

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Assuming... (4, Funny)

tool462 (677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875615)

Assuming all the conspiracy theorists can be convinced it's true, at least this means I'll be dead before this idiocy crops up again.

Re:Assuming... (5, Funny)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875819)

Funny.

According my reading of the calendar - it's right here on the wall, in my office - the whole thing goes tits-up, Dec 31, 2009!

Re:Assuming... (5, Insightful)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875893)

Your post is incredibly relevant considering that the Mayan calendar simply starts over at that time rather than predicting the end. The Apocalyptic prediction from the calendar was simply speculation that arose from not knowing the language. There's not exactly a Mayan Rosetta Stone so even all that we know about the language is still premature.

Re:Assuming... (4, Insightful)

Torodung (31985) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875951)

Yup. It's the Mayan Y2K bug. Good thing their calendar is based on mechanical circles. People discussing a 2012 apocalypse are discussing where a circle begins and ends.

Re:Assuming... (2, Informative)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876103)

There's not exactly a Mayan Rosetta Stone so even all that we know about the language is still premature

This is not entirely correct, as there are still Mayan speaking persons in south mexico. (I bet there's also several in Guatemala). By the way, I had a teacher in HS that has mayan blood in his veins. His brothers (that still live in mexico) published a mayan-spanish dictionary in the 90's.

Re:Assuming... (5, Informative)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876225)

Nor did they disappear. Mayans can still be found on any day on the Yucatan peninsula selling hammocks, fixing cars, running banks, building roads and so on. A little tour outside of Merida will show you people still living in sturdy houses made entirely of native materials. The Mayans, although occupied, are still largely alive and well.

Re:Assuming... (4, Informative)

jeffasselin (566598) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876243)

There are people that speak something that descends from the mayan language, correct. That doesn't help us much in deciphering the written version of the language in hieroglyphics.

Re:Assuming... (1, Funny)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876247)

The only thing going tits-up around here is my wife as soon as she walks in the door.....

the Discovery channel (4, Interesting)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875887)

has run a lot of dubious programming. This was one of the things they were actually pushing.

Re:the Discovery channel (2, Interesting)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876115)

Yep, they do have the occasional lunacy. I was rather disgusted when I saw them pimping the "crystal skulls" fraud. Still, they're nowhere near as bad as the History channel.

Re:Assuming... (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875907)

I was looking forward to saying "Told you so" on 12/22/2012. But they always find a way to weasel out of their crazy predictions.

Re:Assuming... (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876135)

And luckily, even if we're wrong and the world does end in a little more than 3 years, there won't be anyone left to tell us that we were the ones who were wrong.

What I found amazing... (3, Interesting)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876055)

...was that I got halfway through the article before I realized I was viewing it through Google Translate. Yeah, I wasn't paying much attention. And yeah, I had noticed some errors -- but my mind just dismissed them as poor proofreading before publishing. I'm still impressed by how far online translation services have come from the early days of AltaVista Babelfish.

Re:What I found amazing... (4, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876125)

As an example, here's what *today's* Babelfish thinks of the article:

To be fed up: ' 2012' is just over two centuries
By: At Keulemans

In the film 2012 that this month in premiere, fall the cities and continents go at small woods, if the world fares. Toch moan that research has shown exactly that it ' end of the tijden' of 21 December 2012 there probably clears two centuries beside zit.

Re:Assuming... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876139)

Assuming all the conspiracy theorists can be convinced it's true, at least this means I'll be dead before this idiocy crops up again.

You're going to be dead before "2012" hits DVD?

Yes, that's right, the DVD release will probably unleash another, smaller wave of it even if it were released mid-2013.

Re:Assuming... (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876209)

Assuming all the conspiracy theorists can be convinced it's true, at least this means I'll be dead before this idiocy crops up again.

And assuming I suddenly sprout a magical jetpack on my back through a miracle of evolution, I can fly off to California from right where I sit for a pleasant afternoon of talking with friends and taking in the culture. And frankly, that's a bit more likely to happen than convincing a conspiracy theorist he/she's wrong. :-)

No boom today... (5, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875617)

Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.

Re:No boom today... (2, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875855)

That's similar to what Popeye said when disguising himself with a wig on Goon Island:
"Hair today, goon tomorrow."

Re:No boom today... (5, Informative)

sajuuk (1371145) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875897)

No boom today. And Ivanova is God. Trust Ivanova, trust yourself. Everyone else, shoot em.

Boom in Japan. (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875959)

There at least was one when I was in Japan in 2005 [daughtersoftiresias.org] ...

(Honest to YHVH, that's not a photoshop. I have no idea what it was for, but I was glad when my train started moving again!)

Actually... (5, Informative)

Kirin Fenrir (1001780) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875625)

That's just what they want you to think.

Re:Actually... (3, Funny)

Akido37 (1473009) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876077)

That's just what they want you to think.

+5 Informative. I agree. It's good to know what they want me to think. Wait what?

Greeeeeat..... (4, Funny)

Gorm the DBA (581373) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875627)

Now we're going to have to deal with a rehash of all of that "You shouldn't call it the Millennium Bug, the new Millennium doesn't start until 1/1/2001, morons" BS...

Re:Greeeeeat..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875791)

Yeah, I can't stand people who say accurate things. They just think they're sooooooooooo smart...

Re:Greeeeeat..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29876265)

Besides it was the year 2753

2220? (5, Funny)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875633)

Does this mean we have to endure another round of shitty movies in 2217?

Re:2220? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875687)

Nope. The Sex and The City sequel comes out next spring.

Re:2220? (4, Funny)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875703)

Why not? We deal with a round of shitty movies every year anyway.

Re:2220? (4, Insightful)

Kirin Fenrir (1001780) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876193)

District 9 was good this year!

So was...um...

...and...uh...

Well, District 9 was good this year.

Re:2220? Yes. STAR TREK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875741)

If you look on the star trek timeline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek

2220 is *MISSING*

Now they have a NEW plot they can integrate into rebooting the series!

Maybe they will get George Lucas to direct it and the internet will implode.

Re:2220? Yes. STAR TREK (1)

Cornelius the Great (555189) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876067)

Maybe they will get George Lucas to direct it and the franchise will implode.

Fixed that for you.

Re:2220? (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875755)

Yes, but not because of this.

Re:2220? (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875833)

Does this mean we have to endure another round of shitty movies in 2217?

Yes, of course you will. Why would you think 2217 would be different than any other year?

Re:2220? (1)

Tanks*Guns (587234) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875849)

I can already see this one shaping up ... Mel Gibson's Apocalypto II starring Nicholas Cage and Lou Diamond Phillips

Re:2220? (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876059)

Yeah, but they'll be shitty super-3D-interactive-space-movies! We can go to them in our internal-combustion-engine-space-cars and watch them with our super-future-space-eyes!

Re:2220? (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876163)

I'd like to think that the human race will learn to be a bit more rational over the next 200 years. There might still be a couple nuts pushing this stuff if we haven't managed to cure mental illness, but Hopefully we won't have to put up with it being pimped via Hollywood movies and completely credulous news segments.

great (2, Funny)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875643)

now we are gonna get another terrible movie, and its gonna be called... "2020"

Re:great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875765)

now we are gonna get another terrible movie, and its gonna be called... "2020"

I can see the catchphrase now:

"Hindsight is 2020"

Re:great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875815)

In retrospect, that's pretty obvious.

Re:great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875789)

Is it going to be anything like the TV series?

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

Re:great (1)

MaineCoon (12585) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876251)

Did you mean "2220"? Might want to doublecheck the headline!

To be fair though, on first glance I thought it said 2020 as well.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875665)

Good News everyone, the bad news i was going to give just got delayed by 200 odd years - Prof. Fansworth

From the virgin geeks - Thanks a lot! (5, Funny)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875677)

Just to pass this on (I'm married so I'm already doomed):

On 2012-12-21, many geeks were about to have sex from the new agey women who believed that it was the last day of the Earth.

Re:From the virgin geeks - Thanks a lot! (1)

Cornflake917 (515940) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876033)

"I'll bet you TEN MILLION dollars that the world doesn't end. If you're so sure it's gonna happen, than that's enough money to last you the rest of your life!"

Re:From the virgin geeks - Thanks a lot! (1)

sexybomber (740588) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876205)

It's a damn shame, too, some of those New Agey women are real freaky. Some of them even shave!

Its ok, m$ will still be supporting XP then too (1, Funny)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875679)

Those pesky end of life deadlines keep getting pushed back, even though we'll all be on Windows 666, the "fastest most secure OS we've ever launched"

selling selling... giving away! (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875689)

SELL YOUR STOCK SHARES!!! END IS HERE!

No, sorry. Earth is just 6000 thousand year old so there is no prophesy what means no problem... but they still wants your money so give it away and sell your house, car and all property!

Rapture 2012 (1, Troll)

ub3r n3u7r4l1st (1388939) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875691)

Many Christians waiting to be raptured on 2012... Now they have to wait again!

Re:Rapture 2012 (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876037)

I thought this was Mayan...

Re:Rapture 2012 (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876165)

I thought this was Mayan...

This is about the Mayan calendar but there were/are various religious/wacko groups who believe that the Mayan calendar portends the end of the world in 2012.

Obviously now they'll have to wait another 200+ years to find out.

Re:Rapture 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29876235)

Catholicism - All your base are belong to us!

Seriously, many Christian holidays were created to replace pagan rituals, so why wouldnt they klept the Mayan "endgame" as well?

Easy enough to find out that viewpoint in google, but here is a website to start you off (from the churches point of view...)

http://www.comereason.org/soc_culture/soc030.asp

In other words, the church was not endorsing a pagan ceremony but establishing a rival celebration.

"Your god of **** is actually our Saint ******."

Re:Rapture 2012 (1)

interploy (1387145) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876153)

Please tell me you're joking...

Google Translate (1)

auntieNeo (1605623) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875699)

Does anyone know Dutch and have the time to submit better translations? At least for maybe the first few sentences. I want to see if this Google Translate thing actually works.

Revised JoCo lyrics? (2, Funny)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875701)

So now this song will go like this?:

Now I'm [still] waiting for the big boom
And it know where I'm [was] gonna be
The big boom
I'm always getting closer to
The big boom
And it will catch up to me
The big boom

Slashdotted link (1)

Kemanorel (127835) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875719)

The original site that the Google translate link is directing to seems to be borked. Does anyone have any other links to throw out?

Re:Slashdotted link (5, Interesting)

traycerb (728174) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875847)

It's not another link to the original site, but in the NYT recently Errol Morris was researching an unrelated Civil War story, and one of the sources was David H. Kelly, who did major work deciphering the Mayan script. In passing Errol asked about the 2012 thing: http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/whose-father-was-he-part-four/ [nytimes.com]

Surprise (1, Insightful)

sheepofblue (1106227) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875727)

The Sheeple running around yelling the sky is falling is incorrect.... wow that is the first time that has occurred.

Date divider (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875729)

Every 25.8 years? That doesn't seem so spectacular. All we have to do is add 25.8 to the last doomsday and we'll know for certain. Did the last doomsday happen in 1994 or 1986? I don't remember either being particularly bad, except maybe for the music.

Re:Date divider (2, Informative)

richdun (672214) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875761)

Probably an error in your European to American numerical translator - that should have been 25,800 years.

Didn't RTFA (3, Insightful)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875733)

Have the past, current and this calculation all taken into account all the calendar changes made throughout history?

Amateurs (4, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875743)

The Mayans were amateurs when it comes to doomsday calendars. We have a doomsday once every 365 days (except on leap years) when our calendar hits December 31.

Oh. Wait. It's not doomsday? It's just the end of the calendar cycle? Oh. Maybe the Mayan calendar's ending is the same thing and not the end of the world...

Yeah.

Wrong diagnosis (5, Insightful)

ShiningSomething (1097589) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875749)

major problems with the way the Maya Calendar is being read by doomsday prophets

When someone reads the Mayan Calendar and predicts the end of times... I don't think the date is the most important detail they got wrong.

Re:Wrong diagnosis (3, Interesting)

rainmaestro (996549) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875921)

Precisely. Hell, the *Mayans* didn't envision any doomsday scenarios. We don't even know for certain if the long count calendar cycles at 13 or 20 k'atuns (Mayan counting was base-20, though many scholars believe the calendar cycles after 13). Assuming 13, in Mayan culture the end of a cycle would be a major event, a time of celebration. Nothing in the archaeological record suggests they thought this world would end precisely 1 cycle after it began.

All this nonsense is just another way to scam the gullible. These doomsday criers are worse than the Y2K nuts. At least Y2K had a grain of truth to it (the rollover *could* have caused problems if it hadn't been patched in time).

How do you debunk a myth? (4, Informative)

captaindomon (870655) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875769)

Wait a minute, how do you "debunk" a myth or religious belief? The only way to "debunk" it is to wait until Dec 13th and then say, "See, the world didn't end afterall." Even that approach can run into problems with myths and religious beliefs "No, it DID happen, but it was a SPIRITUAL end to the world" etc. etc. This approach is the same as a religious leader "Proving" a scientific theorem based on revelation. These are different structures for argument, folks, and they can't be interchanged that way.

Re:How do you debunk a myth? (2, Insightful)

snkboarder (1364487) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875851)

In the interest of being unhelpful: What? You're justifying the fact that this end of the world date keeps jumping ahead a few years every few years so that we're in the shadow of a perpetual end of the world? Eventually the sun will burn out and it will be true...and technically they'll be correct, but not because they actually predicted anything, just because if you stand somewhere and say something long enough, in theory it will happen. I can stand outside all summer saying 'It's going to rain today" and then "just kidding, I meant tomorrow." Eventually fall will come and one day it will rain and then...I am a prophet by your logic since you can't mix religious nutbags with scientific fact, as that would disprove them. Instead we should coddle the weak-minded fools because one day, logically, they won't be completely wrong.

Re:How do you debunk a myth? (2, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875999)

Wait a minute, how do you "debunk" a myth or religious belief? The only way to "debunk" it is to wait until Dec 13th and then say, "See, the world didn't end afterall."

Actually, even if the world does end on the predicted date, the prophesies are still not true. There's no basis for their claims, so they're arbitrary.

Re:How do you debunk a myth? (5, Funny)

jbezorg (1263978) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876007)

In short, you can't reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into.

... that approach can run into problems with myths and religious beliefs "No, it DID happen, but it was a SPIRITUAL end to the world" ...

That's when you make the sign of the Devil and tell them: "Glad to see you're still here. I'd like to be the first to officially welcome you to the team. I always enjoyed your work."

So much for the Sixth World (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875783)

I guess I should cancel my coming out party for Ryumyo [wikipedia.org] . :(

Woops! (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875787)

I bet the guys behind this [imdb.com] aren't too happy to hear this.

My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (4, Informative)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875797)

The Mayans actually had dates carved into stylae which took place long, long after 2012. For example:

For example, on the west panel at the Temple of Inscriptions in Palenque, a section of the text projects into the future to the 80th Calendar Round (CR) 'anniversary' of the famous Palenque ruler K'inich Janaab' Pakal's accession to the throne (Pakal's accession occurred on a Calendar Round date 5 Lamat 1 Mol, at Long Count 9.9.2.4.8 equivalent to 27 July 615 CE).[12] It does this by commencing with Pakal's birthdate 9.8.9.13.0 8 Ajaw 13 Pop (24 March 603 CE) and adding to it the Distance Number 10.11.10.5.8.[13] This calculation arrives at the 80th Calendar Round since his accession, a day that also has a CR date of 5 Lamat 1 Mol, but which lies over 4,000 years in the future from Pakal's time--the day 21 October in the year 4772. The inscription notes that this day would fall eight days after the completion of the 1st piktun [since the creation or zero date of the Long Count system], where the piktun is the next-highest order above the b'ak'tun in the Long Count. If the completion date of that piktun--13 October 4772--were to be written out in Long Count notation, it could be represented as 1.0.0.0.0.0. The 80th CR anniversary date, eight days later, would be 1.0.0.0.0.8 5 Lamat 1 Mol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#2012_and_the_Long_Count [wikipedia.org]

Re:My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (5, Funny)

VoxMagis (1036530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875879)

Whew - I'm glad you cleared THAT up!

Re:My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (4, Informative)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875955)

Okay, here's the short version: The Mayans didn't believe the end of the world would happen in 2012 or 2220 because they had a date carved into stone which would happen over 2000 years from now. It's THEIR calendar and even THEY didn't believe the end of the world nonsense.

Re:My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876233)

Okay, here's the short version: The Mayans didn't believe the end of the world would happen in 2012 or 2220 because they had a date carved into stone which would happen over 2000 years from now. It's THEIR calendar and even THEY didn't believe the end of the world nonsense.

THOSE FOOLS! Good thing we're here to straighten stuff out! Now quickly! Everyone head over to ebay and buy my 2012 survival necklaces guaranteed to help you survive the 2012 end of the world. You will need to buy another one for the end of the world in 2220 however.

Re:My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (5, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876053)

Then, during the Third Reconciliation of the Last of the Meketrex Supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!

Re:My favorite thing about the 2012ers... (1)

Eudial (590661) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876065)

This song [youtube.com] suggests that man may still be alive in year 2525, year 3535, year 4545, year 5555, year 6565, year 7510, year 8510, but probably not year 9595. Clearly, we knew more in the '70s than the mayans ever did (and the people in the '70s had lots of inventions we have now, like electricity and television -- they were so much like our civilization!), so doomsday is probably between year 8510 and 9595.

Oh thats good news (4, Funny)

Zarf_is_with_you (1382411) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875843)


My credit card will be paid off by then making Minimum payments.

Re:Oh thats good news (1)

Zarf (5735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876161)

I'm not with you. Come again?

Re:Oh thats good news (1)

Zarf_is_with_you (1382411) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876249)

Sure you are your right here.

Re:Oh thats good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29876195)

my mortgage will not

Damn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875853)

Hah, and here I've recently seen one of these really crazy christian based shows on late night tv claiming the rapture was going to occur on that 2012 date, making some weird argument that the Mayans were misinterpreting messages from (the christian) god. If they were so adamant about it I would have thought it was a joke. Guess they'll have to wait again for another couple hundred years. I was looking forward to getting past the stupid prophecy though.

Re:Damn (4, Informative)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875911)

Sigh. As if they've never read or understood the verses in Mark 13:31, 32?

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

There are plenty of other passages to the same effect. They've read them, of course. They just conveniently ignore them.

Bad news good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29875877)

Bad news is we'll have to wait until 2020. The good news is my stockpile of Twinkies will still be fresh.

So hard to plan... (1)

kanosereg (1658415) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875919)

Damn, I blew off contributing to my 401(k) and kids 529 plans with the whole Mayan calendar apocalypse in mind. Guess I'll have to rethink my (lack of) retirement plans...

Strange (1)

Gravitron 5000 (1621683) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875943)

When I run out of days on my calendar, I usually just buy a new one. It would certainly make new years parties more interesting if every new year was a potential end of days scenario though.

My Cuteoverload.com calendar ends next year! (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875963)

Clearly, the end is near. And death shall arrive with beepable noses!

Well thats a relief (1)

hicks107 (1286642) | more than 4 years ago | (#29875989)

Well thats a relief

Just wait.. (2, Funny)

Tibia1 (1615959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876017)

until they realized they have miscalculated it again, and they find the date to be less than the year 2000. Now that's going to be embarrassing.

Nothing is simple anymore (2, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876023)

Not only you have to "predict" the end on the world (based on trusty facts like ancient calendars, weird math tricks, how mush grows, holy books, tea leaves and hand lines), but have to pick something flexible enough to show after the predicted time how you made a small mistake and will happen somewhat shortly after anyway (so, i.e. you dont have to return what has been "donated" to your church or something similar because all was ending). Is not the 1st time that the end of the world has been delayed. In Y2K some tough that was after Dec 31/99, but some of the scare survived till Dec 31/00. Jehovah’s Witnesses predicted that all will end in 1874, then 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984.

There are several lists of those Doomsday predictions, i.e. here [wordpress.com]

end of world v. upheaval (1)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876073)

So by now we all (?) know that the Mayans didn't claim anything about the world ending, but did they believe that the rollover of a major calendrical cycle would be a time of great change? Google that for me?

obvious answer to why people made a big deal (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876089)

Now they can throw "we are not blowing up anymore" parties.

Prophesies can never be "true" (1)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876095)

If every person on Earth predicts a single (different) date as being the end of the world, and one of them ends up being correct - does that mean their prophesy was true? Certainly not. There was no basis for their claim - it should rightly be rejected as arbitrary, even if it happened to coincide with reality.

Although at that point - the end of the world - epistemology is probably not going to be your biggest concern. I'll refer you to the rules of Zombieland [horror-movies.ca] for further guidance.

Roman Calendar equivalent (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29876131)

It's not exactly right to say it's like the end of a year calendar. But the Western/Roman date system does have a similar date: January 1, 0 AD. The Mayan calendar was about predicting the end of an age, of an era, not the world. If memory serves, the Mayans believed that there were 5 or 6 periods of ~25,000 from "the beginning" to "the end" and I think 2012 (or whatever) is meant to be the beginning of the 4th or 5th.

Even if you wanted to go out on the crazy limb and assign some sort of mystical significance to 12-21-2012, it prolly would be something equivalent to the birth of Christ or founding of Islam or the 10 Commandments or whatever that other calendars have that really weren't a big deal to most people in the world at the time.

Or maybe the Rapture'll happen. That'd be kinda funny.

Article wrong, GMT correlation not wrong (5, Informative)

Xoc-S (645831) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876133)

The most commonly used correlation of the Gregorian Calendar and the Maya Calendar is the GMT correlation, after Goodwin, Martinez, Thompson, the main proponents. In this correlation, December 21, 2012 will be the end of the 13th Baktun. The only other correlation used by any but fringe scholars places the end of the 13th Baktun two days later on December 23rd. These guys are proposing a new correlation because of some reading of the Venus pages in the Dresden Codex. However. as has been known since at least the 1950s the Venus pages work exactly right with the GMT correlation, so these guys are just wrong about their correlation.

The reason for all the hoopla about 2012, is that in the Maya Calendar, the last creation ended on a 13th Baktun. The lunatics suppose that since the last creation ended on a 13th Baktun, the Maya supposed that this creation would also end after 13 Baktuns, but there is no evidence that the Maya had any such beliefs. There is a date on the West Panel of the Temple of Inscriptions from Palenque that refers to an anniversary of the crowning of the king, Pacal, that makes it quite obvious that the Maya believed that there was a 14th through 20th Baktun.

So, in summary, these guys are wrong about the new correlation, and all the 2012 nutjobs are wrong about even the Maya believing that 2012 was the end of this creation. For more information, see the presentation on the FAMSI (Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies) web site by Mark Van Stone that fully details what is known and what is true about Maya beliefs about 2012. http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/index.html [famsi.org]

Its never going to stop.. (1, Funny)

greywire (78262) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876137)

There's always going to be some date in the future that some group of people think is going to be the end of time. When that date passes, they will find some way to reconcile it and come up with a new date. Or they will just be vague about it and claim "well we are in the end times now, thats why all these bad things are happening in the world".

I just wish the end would come now, suddenly, on a date of no importance or significance to anyone, and in a way completely unlike any prophesied before; I wish it would happen so completely unambiguously unlike anything ever imagined that it would put to end every stupid belief surrounding every one of those doomsday scenarios.

Thats the only true end of times: the one that proves everybody wrong.

It should happen right about.. now... *

no need for fright if your spirit's in the light (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29876145)

unprecedented evile is fixing to have its butt displaced.

Well that's just great. (1)

gimmebeer (1648629) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876183)

So much for applying for tons of credit cards and not having to pay them off. I was planning to live out my last couple years like a King!

and in more startling news (1)

CHRONOSS2008 (1226498) | more than 4 years ago | (#29876201)

isnt that near earth asteroid thats possible to destroy all life in the 2020's and hten its second pass has like a 7% chance to destroy us in the late 2030's?

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