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Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the strange-bedfellows dept.

Idle 536

According to Professor Svante Paabo, director of genetics at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Neanderthals and modern humans had sex across the species barrier. The professor has been using DNA retrieved from fossils to piece together the entire Neanderthal genome, and plans on publishing his findings soon. He recently told a conference that he was sure the two species had had sex, but still had questions as to how "productive" the relations had been. "What I'm really interested in is, did we have children back then and did those children contribute to our variation today?" he said. "I'm sure that they had sex, but did it give offspring that contributed to us? We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence." What remains a mystery is what Paleolithic brewery provided the catalyst for these stone age hook-ups.

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536 comments

Isn't (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891337)

this where ginger people came from?

Re:Isn't (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891819)

No, this is where the niggers came from

humans (5, Funny)

flynt (248848) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891343)

Humans... so easy, a caveman can do them.

Re:humans (4, Insightful)

joaommp (685612) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891649)

Humans will have sex with pretty much everything they can...

(if you don't trust me, think of this: if you can think it, someone has made porn about it, just check the tubes).

Re:humans (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891691)

I always wondered if some ethnic groups contained neanderthal DNA.

Re:humans (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891749)

you're also a racist fuck and I wish there were less of this shit on slashdot

Re:humans (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891837)

I believe you are citing Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions.

Damn... now you've given them ideas... (shudder) Neanderthal porn!

Re:humans (1)

joaommp (685612) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891925)

actually... it's done. can't really remember, but I know I once saw it in the screen caps mosaic from the gallery posts

Re:humans (1)

Klinky (636952) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891873)

No one has every made a porno about two girls and they take this cup and then they... wait... what!?

Re:humans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891829)

you would.

Of course they did (5, Funny)

turing_m (1030530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891345)

Developers, developers, developers...

Re:Of course they did (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891389)

Human beings will Bork ANYthing so thats not supprising

Re:Of course they did (2, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891785)

"Human beings will Bork ANYthing so thats not supprising..."

And I swear...I've known people that I know are proof that not only did they have sex with them..but, that they procreated, and exist today..hahaha.

:)

Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891393)

...and later went on to form the first government - which has been screwing modern man ever since.

Scientific? (5, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891395)

"I'm sure that they had sex"

What evidence? The article says:

"We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence."

"Due to the length of time that has elapsed since Neanderthals became extinct, any trace of their DNA in modern humans could have been diluted below detectable levels. Paabo hopes to overcome this by scanning the Neanderthal genome for the genes of modern humans."

Okay, he hopes he will be able to overcome this technical limitation. So in other words, the statement that they had sex is just his personal opinion?

Re:Scientific? (1)

clemdoc (624639) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891445)

"The Neandertal is not enough". - Family motto

Re:Scientific? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891453)

Humans have sex with niggers in today's time. What's so implausible about humans having sex with another animal that's slightly smarter than niggers?

Re:Scientific? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891481)

So in other words, the statement that they had sex is just his personal opinion?

If something exists, or existed at the same time and in the same place as people, we've had sex with it.

Re:Scientific? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891523)

Personal opinion? Even nowadays most modern men will hump anything with a viable opening. I am probably one of the more refined of us as I usually demand they are the same species as me, but I have plenty of friends that that is an optional extra for.

Re:Scientific? (0, Flamebait)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891867)

"Personal opinion? Even nowadays most modern men will hump anything with a viable opening."

Hey, it is easy to believe, I mean you see this practice today...there are plenty of men out there that can look at another guy's sweaty, hairy asshole and go "I am in LOOOOOVE, and gotta have me some of that..."

Yep, many man will fuck most anything that doesn't move faster than them......

Re:Scientific? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891527)

"I'm sure that they had sex"

What evidence?

I don't see why this should be so hard to believe. Modern people engage in bestiality. It's not so much of a stretch to think that if a someone gets off on doing their dog, their distant relatives would not have any problem getting off on a vaguely human-ish bipedal creature. Or a neanderthal.

Re:Scientific? (3, Interesting)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891591)

The neanderthals were close enough to modern humans that in my own opinion, it is possible that humans intermingled socially with them however, it was also my understanding that their DNA was distinct enough from ours to make them unable to interbreed and thus a separate species. Genetic markers in the million base sequence that has been reconstructed so far indicate that they fall significantly outside of typical variation for modern humans.

Re:Scientific? (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891605)

Diluted below detectable levels

I too was sort of shocked to read that quote.

Genetics doesn't exactly operate like Homeopathy.

He should have known that mitochondrial DNA doesn't dilute in the normal sense. Its been used to trace most human ancestors to a couple places in Africa, almost to a couple of individual females.

I have to wonder just what his basis was, other than sheer speculation. Given the state of civilization (or the lack thereof) at the time, one would not be surprised to see conflict and in conflict taking of prisoners.

Re:Scientific? (3, Funny)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891919)

Its been used to trace most human ancestors to a couple places in Africa, almost to a couple of individual females.

Two questions:

1. If it was two females, how did they reproduce?

2. Do you have any pictures? (Maybe an artist's interpretation? :)

Re:Scientific? (1)

brentonboy (1067468) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891705)

"I'm sure that they had sex"

What evidence? The article says:

"We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence."

"Due to the length of time that has elapsed since Neanderthals became extinct, any trace of their DNA in modern humans could have been diluted below detectable levels. Paabo hopes to overcome this by scanning the Neanderthal genome for the genes of modern humans."

Okay, he hopes he will be able to overcome this technical limitation. So in other words, the statement that they had sex is just his personal opinion?

Sounds like Nobel prize material to me!

Re:Scientific? (1)

rattaroaz (1491445) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891811)

Sounds like Nobel prize material to me!

For Professor Svante Paabo, or the human who had sex with a Neanderthal? I think you can make a stronger case for the latter.

Re:Scientific? (2, Informative)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891735)

Yeah, there seems to be nothing of substance there.

I'm mean, I'm SURE we had sex with neandertals; it's nearly absurd to suggest we didn't. However, there's absolutely no point to the article until some DNA or other evidence is found.

Re:Scientific? (5, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891753)

"I'm sure that they had sex"

What evidence? The article says:

"We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence."

He's -sure- of his hypothesis. You think scientists don't become convinced of our own hypotheses before we have actual evidence? We do. I've been quite convinced of my own hypotheses and even occasionally ignored evidence that suggests I'm wrong, much to my later regret. I'm sure every scientist, and probably everyone else as well, has committed similar sins at some point.

Re:Scientific? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891843)

Given the existance of certain laws, japanese game shows and /b/ I think we have lots of evidence to assume that there is nothing on this planet that hasn't touched a penis of a human.

We can finally explain wherefore Celtic people are (2, Funny)

a whoabot (706122) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891397)

At last we can explain wherefore Celtic people are who they are!

(*Dodges tossed caber*)

Re:We can finally explain wherefore Celtic people (1, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891667)

Until they were decimated by the plague (due to having close ties with the Romans), the Celts were a much more populous and civilized society than their English neighbors, who were still running around the woods and building log stockades whilst the Celts were building beautiful stone castles. My first choice of where to look for the neanderthals remaining descendants is obvious...

Oeuf Corse ! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891413)

Modern Man has sex with anything from goats, dolphins, and flies to machines.

Re:Oeuf Corse ! (2, Informative)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891757)

In our defense, the dolphins themselves are pretty promiscuous! Dolphins and dogs both appear willing to hump animals outside their own species; I'm sure there are other examples.

Yes they did: they're called Rush Limbaugh (-1, Flamebait)

gapagos (1264716) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891415)

And of course its evil twin Glen Beck.

Case closed. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891425)

Ever been to a frat party?

Beer! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891435)

Helping ugly people have sex since 30,000 BCE!!!

Proclivities (0, Offtopic)

Whiteox (919863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891441)

Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man

So does that mean they are gay or bisexual?
Just askin'

Re:Proclivities (1)

Keeper Of Keys (928206) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891575)

Because as we all know there weren't any female neanderthals.

Re:Proclivities (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891677)

Because as we all know there weren't any female neanderthals.

At least none that *look* female.

Re:Proclivities (2, Funny)

ThatMegathronDude (1189203) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891729)

Its the beards.

Re:Proclivities (2, Insightful)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891679)

They were definitely all homos.


Homo Neanderthalenses that is.

Re:Proclivities (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891683)

It means that some modern humans, much like the fabled Captain Kirk, engaged in beastiality. Sex outside your species is sex outside your species, no matter how closely related the other species is. Gender has nothing to do with species...

What a troll (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891451)

The only evidence of that would be if the DNA shows that the offspring contributed to our DNA, which he hasn't shown yet. He may as well have said we're desended from aliens, and he's now looking for evidence of that in our DNA.

Re:What a troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891535)

Slippery slope, BIATCH

Wonder how they will work this out... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891455)

But wouldn't that mean that if they did actually produce offspring then by the definition they aren't separate species? I am betting they won't ever make the claim that they had offspring.

Re:Wonder how they will work this out... (2, Informative)

ichthyoboy (1167379) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891657)

That depends: are the hybrid offspring viable and/or fertile? We see viable hybrid offspring regularly...heard of a mule [wikipedia.org] ? One of the rough metrics for determining species status (using the Biological Species Concept) is that separate species will not produce fertile hybrid offspring.

Re:Wonder how they will work this out... (2, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891871)

But if they had no viable offspring, then no Neanderthal traits would be passed on to Humans, and vice versa, so we wouldn't see any evidence of Neanderthal DNA in Humans or of Human DNA in Neanderthals. That they shared technology is pretty much a given.

Photographic proof... (-1, Offtopic)

Nick Driver (238034) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891459)

Re:Photographic proof... (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891893)

no, no, no, this is the proof [theslipperytruffle.com]

more [www.sme.sk] pics [boxnews.com.ua] and some more [msnbc.com]

Brewery? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891461)

Probably the same brewery that allow one man to use his goat when felling the urge!!!

Newsworthy Research? (0)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891463)

There are people out there curing disease and moving industries. But this guy gets all the air time? I'm reminded of James Woods in the film True Crime, playing a hard nosed newspaper editor, uttering the sage words: "People want to read about sex organs and blood.". This is clearly a mantra that applies to science stories as well as any others. And we wonder why science is held in such low regard by many.

Science journalism, despite all it protestations, is not that beneficial to society or scientists. It's just regular journalism with a different topic and is better avoided by all serious people and scientists alike. Get thee to a blog.

Re:Newsworthy Research? (1)

jcoy42 (412359) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891505)

I know you had a lot there to say, but as soon as I saw James Woods, all I could think was "Oh! Piece of candy!", "Oh! Piece of candy!"

Off to circle K for a piece of candy now..

Another example (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891471)

Just another example of rule 34.

WELL (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891485)

i did briefly date this one girl in high school.... i was pretty drunk and.....

Re:WELL (2, Informative)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891763)

LIAR!!! This is slashdot!

Well... (1)

n0tWorthy (796556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891487)

... that explains a lot! I think many of my nearest cubicle in-duh-viduals may have a lot of Neanderthal DNA.

Proof... (0, Offtopic)

adosch (1397357) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891499)

My neighbors and their four kids. Their breed mimicks Harry and the Hendersons + Flinstones meets the Coneheads.

Re:Proof... (1)

Mr. Roadkill (731328) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891771)

My neighbors and their four kids. Their breed mimicks Harry and the Hendersons + Flinstones meets the Coneheads.

Are you sure the parents are Neanderthal, and not just cousins - or closer?

For in those days (2, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891503)

There was this odd quote someone showed me once from some book of the Bible (have to say in advance, I'm not a Bible studier, so I know not where it came from):

    For in those days there were giants in the earth,
    and they bred with the son of man...

Of course the Bible scholars will surely weigh in here and call me names and "educate me", but one wonders if ancient verbal histories might have more to them than it first seems.

Re:For in those days (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891741)

The bible scholars ignore that and explain it away, deny and ignore it. They don't want to touch it. It is so stupid, so abhorrent to reason it's radioactive but it is in the bible.

It's Genesis 5 and right off the top it seems to say that angels (sons of god) had sex with humans (daughters of men) and begot giants (nephilim). It's the setup and reason for the flood. A close reading shows Noah and his family wasn't chosen for being godly and good but for being "perfect of his generations" i.e not half-breeds!

No bible scholar is going to tell you what the book actually says there.

There is a apocryphal jewish book of Enoch, kind of a fan fiction from the first century that fills in the back story for this one chapter. It's all so absurd but that does really seem to be what the chapter was meant to say and what ancient people read it saying to them. People who were almost as close as we can get to being the authors of the bible.

Re:For in those days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891901)

For in those days

When the Kli is filled with Ohr

there were giants in the earth,

Malchut is in a state of Gadlut

and they bred with the son of man

and the Ohr descends into Zeir Anpin

l2kabbalah.

This is important (5, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891515)

The issue of introgression (gene flow from neanderthals to modern humans) is hugely important. It's a lot more important than the curiosity or oddity the Times article makes it out to be.

All the published studies looking for this introgression have been based on neanderthal mDNA. Since it doesn't undergo recombination, it's not a good marker, and the negative results so far are predictable and do not preclude gene flow. It'll be interesting to see Paabo's results. He's been working on getting nDNA data from neanderthal remains for a while now, and perhaps this is a hint that he's found some introgression.

Why it's important:

The small picture of why it's important is it would substantially redefine our family tree. We could refine our primate phylogeny.

The bigger, more hazy, and potentially earthshaking picture of why this could be important is that it doesn't take many viable pairings to get genes from one gene pool to another, and these genes could have been very important to our development. Modern humans and neanderthals were under many of the same environmental stresses but likely developed different adaptions to them. This includes behavior and cognition genes. As Stringer points out in the article, "in the last 10,000-15,000 years before they died out, around 30,000 years ago, Neanderthals were giving their dead complex burials and making tools and jewellery, such as pierced beads, like modern humans.” Proto-modern humans were smart. But neanderthals were also smart, potentially in different and complimentary ways. And perhaps it took a combination of proto-modern human and neanderthal genes to truly make the modern human mind. Our brains could be an example of 'hybrid vigor' on a grand scale.

So the big question mark is whether, given we can determine gene flow, if this hypothetical combination of proto-modern human and neanderthal cognitive adaptions could have led to the cultural explosion of ~30-50 thousand years ago. The biology is plausible and the timing's right. The data's still out, but it's coming in. Odder hypotheses have come true.

Re:This is important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891571)

Man, so the message is clear: we will have to fuck those nasty aliens when they show up to get that "hybrid vigor" on a galactic scale.

Re:This is important (2, Funny)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891795)

Man, so the message is clear: we will have to fuck those nasty aliens when they show up to get that "hybrid vigor" on a galactic scale.

So that was Jim Kirk's motivation!

Re:This is important (4, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891899)

Uh, no... that was the alien women's motivation in fucking him. Why else would any of them engage in such an unpleasant task?

Re:This is important (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891727)

If Modern humans and Neanderthals were so different, how likely is it that fertile offspring could have been born?

If it is not likely, could horizontal gene transfer have been a factor?

Re:This is important (1)

Raindance (680694) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891943)

If Modern humans and Neanderthals were so different, how likely is it that fertile offspring could have been born?

We don't currently know enough to say much about the fertility of human-neanderthal hybrids, but see, for example, Ligers for fertile cross-species hybrids (and lions and tigers are separated by about twice as much time-since-divergence as humans and neanderthals, off the top of my head).

If it is not likely, could horizontal gene transfer have been a factor?

In short, no. Very probably not a significant factor. HGT happens quite often between, say, bacteria; bacteria and viruses occasionally leave nonfunctional copies of themselves in host genomes (which can provide entropic fuel for evolution); very seldomly, some other sorts of microorganism-host HGT can happen (e.g., how plants developed chloroplasts). But, from theory and genomic evidence, we can say pretty confidently that HGT just doesn't happen directly between say, two mammals.

Simply put, there just isn't a viable vector (bacteria, virus, loose DNA, etc) that could move a gene from one organism into the germline of another. Something like cannibalism could -very arguably- allow some gene transfer, but it wouldn't get passed down in the germline.

Re:This is important (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891751)

To me it becomes less interesting when you consider that diverging species start as one. During generations when a species is bifurcating, cross-breeding must normal initially, then become less potent over successive generations until finally it is practically impossible. So the question isn't whether this happens, only how long the separation takes - how much the genomes may differ before they cannot mix.

Secondly, genomes are not stationary over time, so the "modern" humans that may have interbred with neanderthals may have had trouble interbreeding with us.

Re:This is important (1)

lawnboy5-O (772026) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891789)

Its a Huge factoid to uncover - Raindance has it cornered.

Re:This is important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891803)

Or perhaps it took a combination of proto-modern human and CYLON genes [fandomania.com] .

So say we all.

Neanderthals Had Sex With Modern Humans (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891519)

Yeah, that's pretty much how my wife describes it...

Humans (1, Insightful)

tool462 (677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891541)

Humans have had sex with anything that has a hole. The real question is with what frequency and what success. If there were hybrid human-neanderthal babies running around, that would be interesting. It would also explain the existence of 4chan.

Re:Humans (0, Troll)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891579)

That's insulting to Neanderthals, many of whom would look like Rhodes scholars in comparison to the majority of /b/.

Re:Humans (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891631)

Yep [mail-archive.com] .

two Jordanians were evacuated home with injured penises after attempting sexual intercourse with goats.

Too bad there's no evidence. (2, Informative)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891549)

This guy is "sure" they screwed, but presents nothing but his surety. There's apparently not the slightest evidence that this is more than a fantasy, however cool a brain-vid it might paint. So the story is that he's going to look some more for evidence that they not only screwed but bred. Maybe after he figures that out there will actually be a story. A pixel is a terrible thing to waste.

Most likely (1)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891569)

Yes, they most likely had sex, but it may or may not have been consensual. It's likely that humans and neanderthals fought at some point, and part of war has pretty much always been having your way with the women on the losing side. I'm not condoning this, just pointing out the obvious.

Re:Most likely (3, Funny)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891725)

I'm not condoning this, just pointing out the obvious.

Thanks for stressing you're anti-rape. With slashdotters, you can't be sure. So many of us spend so much time on the longboats, our long beards matted from all the clotted blood of our enemies. It's easy to forget that when you come home and hang up the horned helmet for a nice relaxing night of using the Core 2 Quad you got as danegeld, that 'no means no'.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Tough break for white people (0, Flamebait)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891593)

We're part neanderthal? Kinda hard to convince the world we are the master race when we alone are half breeds with a non-verbal dumbass species...shit... we're the INFERIOR race!!!

Re:Tough break for white people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891635)

Suuuure, its whites who basicly had sex with apes.

Where did AIDS come from again? hummmm

Re:Tough break for white people (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891849)


Suuuure, its whites who basicly had sex with apes.
Where did AIDS come from again? hummmm

LOL. White people, we the inferior race told the world we were better, then we invented AIDS.

Woops. Guess we gotta lay low for a while!

Wikipedia has citations (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891597)

Jurassic Park redux (5, Interesting)

One_Minute_Too_Late (1226718) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891615)

All we need to do now is to take that DNA, splice it back together with human 'junk' DNA and breed Neanderthals for the next great Disney theme park! Instead of being entertained by people walking around in giant suits pretending to be cartoon characters, it could be the greatest edutainment center in the world!!

But seriously. People have sex across interspecies barriers all the time; animal, vegetable, mineral, it doesn't matter. I doubt that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals looked at each other and said, Hey, I can't have sex with you, you're obviously a different species! Probably they thought to themselves, Two arms, two legs, looks about right, the bits are in the right places, why not?

Neanderthals had sex with humans... (-1, Troll)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891625)

and Rush Limbaugh was the result?

C'mon, the Bible told us this long ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891685)

Genesis 6: "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose... There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Why wouldn't they? We sure would. (3, Insightful)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891693)

Have you been in a Wal-mart? People will hump anything with a hole. It seems to me that if you can show that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens/Erectus were in the same place at the same time that you'd need extraordinary proof that they didn't have sex.

Offspring's a much harder question.

Genesis 6 (2, Interesting)

Fished (574624) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891703)

When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, "My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown. (Genesis 6.1-4 NRSV)

I've always sort of nursed a theory... that maybe Adam and Eve were Homo Sapiens and the Nephilim were Neanderthals. Or something like that. The idea is that Eden was a separate creation from Earth, and that on earth evolution really DID take place... but that after the Fall god turned man out of Eden into the earth.

Absurd of course, and could never be proven. But amusing to speculate.

Let the flames begin!

Re:Genesis 6 (2, Funny)

Entropius (188861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891823)

Cool story, bro.

Re:Genesis 6 (1)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891879)

Hm...very interesting take on that. I'm actually going to do some research and see what else is out there regarding the Nephilim. One translation of the name means "giant" or "strong men" which Neanderthals could have easily appeared to be.

As you said, amusing to speculate.

They Still Do (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891713)

They still do. Just go to any college bar and see.

Re:They Still Do (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891813)

You're just jealous 'cause the neanderthals are getting more pussy than you do... so am I.

And in other scientific news (3, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891715)

Scientists today announced recent evidence suggests beer was invented by Cro-magnon man.

Pics or it didn't happen (2, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891717)

Cave drawings will do.

New slashdot poll (4, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891733)

How many people looked at the neanderthal photo attached to this article and thought to themselves, "Yeah, I'd hit that!"?

Re:New slashdot poll (1)

ProfM (91314) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891853)

How many people looked at the neanderthal photo attached to this article and thought to themselves, "Yeah, I'd hit that!"?

First, I'd have to know which one is the guy ...

Re:New slashdot poll (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891915)

The one kneeling is the woman. The two standing up are guys. And, since these are actually modern humans wearing makeup to make them look like someone envisioned a neanderthal would have looked, most of us actually WOULD "hit that".

Finally (1)

lawnboy5-O (772026) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891779)

Definitive proof that we co mingled with other hominid species, and may the the melting-pot remains....

if by neanderthals you mean black athletes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891835)

if by neanderthals you mean black athletes

What about non PC results? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891861)

Supposing the results of this kind of research indicate human evolutionary and/or developmental possibilities which don't sit well with the Racial and Cultural Sensitivity Police?

Would Paabo think it important enough to destroy his career by publishing the findings anyway, or would he quite understandably practice a bit of self-censorship?

Sure they did,,, (1)

HazMat 79 (1481233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29891875)

some of their offspring played on the O-line when I played football in high school.

Gaius in the last episode of Battlestar was right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29891905)

Just saying....

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