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Who Installs the Most Crapware?

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the phrase-your-answer-in-klingon dept.

Software 583

Barence writes "PC Pro has done a thorough test of the software bundled by nine of the leading laptop manufacturers to find out who installs the most crapware on their PCs. Manufacturers such as Acer add as much as two minutes to their boot times by stuffing their machines full of bundled software, with own-brand proprietary software being the worst offender. HP's bundled apps, meanwhile, have a memory footprint of more than 1GB. PC Pro has also reviewed three pieces of software which promise to remove rubbish from your PC — with mixed results."

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Lenovo (5, Informative)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913493)

As a responsable IT person at my university, I buy a lot of different hardware (laptops, stationary, servers)...

I ALWAYS format the computer before giving it to the final user, but as a rule I can tell you that any "big" name out there installs a lot of crapware, but the winner is: LENOVO.

The last Dells I've got have:

1. Adobe reader
2. Google toolbar
3. Google Desktop (!!!! ahhhggg the pain)
4. Adobe Flash player
5. Lots of Dell crapware like Support center and so on..

Lenovo: 1. Adobe reader
2. MS Office 30 days trial (yes, trials ARE crapware in my book)
3. McAffee antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)
4. Google toolbar
5. Google Desktop
6. Google Chrome (AHHHHHHH MORE PAIN)
7. Adobe flash player
8. Skype (!!!)
10. Lots and I mean LOOOOTS of Lenovo panels, gadgets and stuff
HP 1. Adobe reader
2. Norton antivirus + Firewall + anything (60 days trial)
4. Google toolbar
5. Google Desktop
6. Lots of gadgets and added HP value"

On the bright side, Dell always gives you a new brand Windows CD and a CD with drivers so the re-installation is easy.

Lenovo? They give you a Restore CD that installs the system with all the crap from the beginning.

Oh well... At lest nobody else (that I know) is installing Abble crapware by default. The day some big name intalls iTunes, QuickTime, Safary or other Abble Supercrap, as default, that's the last day I buy such a brand for us.

Re:Lenovo (2, Insightful)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913635)

Why is this marked as troll? He is answering the stated question to the best of his knowledge. If anything should be marked as troll, it is the question itself. What do you expect when you use such a subject term such as "crapware?"

Re:Lenovo (4, Insightful)

Gerafix (1028986) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913773)

Probably because he spelled "responsible" wrong.

Oh who am I kidding, it's because he flamed iApple iSoftware or whatever and the mods are furious.

Re:Lenovo (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913957)

Meh, I'd probably prefer to mod him down, too, for the bowling ball-like wit he demonstrates when talking about Apple. Either that or his keyboard's just that broken that it outputs "b" when he presses "p", but only after an "A".

As a note, I'd prefer to mod down the "Micro$oft" gits, too, for much the same reason. I take my sense of humor seriously.

Re:Lenovo (4, Funny)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914149)

Actually he was flaming Abble products. A very reputable brand, just like Magetbox and Panaphonic.

Safary and iToons are great programs. I don't know what his problem is.

Re:Lenovo (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913797)

Because the clearly unbiased review by the linked website provides the answer! Dell is super duper! Comments from such users as Michael_D, md311, and mike_dellissocoolbutidontworkthere prove it!

Re:Lenovo (1)

Silentknyght (1042778) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914125)

Why is this marked as troll? He is answering the stated question to the best of his knowledge. If anything should be marked as troll, it is the question itself. What do you expect when you use such a subject term such as "crapware?"

+1. GP isn't a troll; at worst, this entire article is trolling.

Re:Lenovo (5, Informative)

BumbaCLot (472046) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913827)

I can speak from experience that some of the Thinkpad software is not crap, but actually improves the operating of the computer.

Under IBM the battery and power scheme setups were a lot better at maintaining battery life. Some of these hardware manufacturers actually know what their hardware does and the best way to manage it!

Re:Lenovo (4, Informative)

Sillygates (967271) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914147)

I liked the connection manager on windows XP, too.

It would let you set up profiles to turn off your firewall on certain networks, start printer sharing, and start file sharing.

It also let you setup static IP's VPNs, etc on certain networks....

Re:Lenovo (5, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913855)

Adobe Reader, and Adobe FlashPlayer isn't crap where. It makes sure you can actually do things that for some reason windows doesn't do nativly. Such as Read PDF files and open Flash WebSites. Relatively common things.

Re:Lenovo (5, Funny)

Afforess (1310263) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914043)

Please, turn in your geek card on the way out.

Adobe software = Defective by Design. Just ask anyone who has to use CS3 or CS4 for any length of time.

Re:Lenovo (4, Informative)

piojo (995934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913883)

When I bought a Lenovo R-series computer with Vista Professional, I didn't notice a lot of crapware that they'd installed. Was it because it was a "professional" computer?

I installed Linux in a few days, so I might not have noticed everything that was there, but I actually liked some of the stuff they installed--like a driver for my hard drive's accelerometer (that would park the heads if needed) and a driver that let me configure Windows not to overcharge my battery.

Re:Lenovo (2, Informative)

bigmaddog (184845) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914135)

I bought a Lenovo laptop with WinXP this summer and would also like to say how pleasantly surprised I was by the near-total absence of crapware on it. I got the 30 day MS Office trial and some Lenovo firmware update thing but nothing else, not even Adobe flash and PDF reader (which aren't really crapware in my book, more like necessary evils). I was pretty happy with that...

Re:Lenovo (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913897)

On a Lenovo (at least on my old X61s), when you try a restore from disk/dvd you have the option to pick which software you want installed on top of Windows. I usually uncheck all, and my install is clean.

Re:Lenovo (4, Insightful)

sukotto (122876) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913915)

Why the hate for Chrome?

Re:Lenovo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913983)

I was wondering that myself. Hate for Google Updater I would understand entirely. Auto-updaters are apps forged in the fires of Hell itself. Those fucking things need to go, and the assholes responsible for them need to be castrated.

Re:Lenovo (3, Funny)

timster (32400) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914085)

He's a "responsible IT person" -- you know the sort. I imagine his Microsoft rep told him that Chrome wasn't Enterprise-Ready(tm).

Re:Lenovo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914095)

I suppose that a respons i ble person would think to run a browser that could spell-check his/her work in progress. Not to devalue your contribution, but it does come across as a bit of a fabrication if you start your post with a very, VERY common mistake.
 
I'd like to believe that Safary was an intentional mistake, and the fact you can't spell Abble correctly leads me to think that perhaps you're not actually working ...

I know who has the least... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913511)

Apple.

Even better (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913725)

You can remove *all* your crapware just by installing Snow Leopard and logging in as guest!

Re:Even better (5, Informative)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914083)

Well played sir, well played.

I'm not a Mac, I'm not a PC... I own both, and I use Linux and Solaris for servers. I see my computers are tools, but I am not.

As for the crapware, I tend to agree with TFA: My Macbook Pro had little (though, I'm an amateur photographer so I kind of think of iPhoto as a crapware version of LightRoom and PhotoShop). Dells that I've ordered through Small Business division (both for work and personal) have been free of it. Sony Vaios, HP Pavillions have been kind of loaded with it, and my Samsung netbook really wasn't too bad.

Wow, I've got way too many computers.

What.. have... I ... said? That's just the crazy talk right there!

Re:Even better (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914107)

Sadly, that method doesn't work. That bug just wipes /home. (And to be pedantic, it's the logging out that triggers it. Logging in as Guest is fine, just as long as you never plan on rebooting or logging out.)

But even after logging out, all the crap is still there, hiding in /Applications and /System and /Libraries.

And, thanks to Apple's decision that "uninstallers are complicated" not even dragging the crap to the trash is enough to remove it: taking a page from Windows, Apple sprinkles their crap around the /System folder. Kinda like Windows and its C:\WINDOWS directory.

This is why - and again, Windows users might find this familiar - simply updating Apple apps requires a reboot.

Re:I know who has the least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913909)

Also the most expensive. It would have been nice if they would have compared crapware with price of the machine (weighted against quality of the hardware, ect.). I personally don't mind a bit of crapware if it comes with a price decrease. The absolute amount of crapware isn't as important as the amount relative to the price drop.

Define "Crapware." (3, Insightful)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914023)

It can be said that Apples are among the smoothest running out of the box, but does that really mean there's no crap? This line of reasoning begs the definition of "crapware," and the #1 response would be "stuff you don't need on your computer." It doesn't have to slow it down, it doesn't have to have an enormous memory footprint when it's running or a huge disk footprint when it isn't, it just has to be stuff you don't need. And depending who you are, that can be quite a lot.

Have you ever used iWeb? iDVD? Some would consider the whole iLife to be crapware because they plan to get higher-end, more professional applications through which to vent their creativity. And if they're thinking about office use, they're likely to go the route of Microsoft Office / OpenOffice, so bang goes Pages, Numbers, and Keynote. Do you ever plan to serve web pages up from your laptop? (Well, I do, but then again, look where I'm posting.) You probably don't need that install of Apache or PHP. Not planning on doing any software development? Yes, XCode is an optional install and not part of the standard kit, but you've still got perl, ruby, python, pico, vi, emacs, and more shells, libraries, and frameworks than you'll ever need nestled down in /usr/local. Have a digital music library already? Then you might also have a preferred player, and probably won't want iTunes to re-rip it into that silly AAC format. A lot of people despise Quicktime on general principle. And a lot of people still eschew Safari for Firefox despite its HTML5 support.

It all depends on your definition of "crapware." It's all assembled and designed by the mother company, so it's integrated so perfectly that you're never bothered by it if you never use it, but if you dig, you'll find something that'll fit the description.

Re:I know who has the least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914079)

Apple.

well.. I would consider a PC pre-installed with QuickTime the worst crapware of all.Yay for Win7 playing mov files without installing that abomination.

Acer is really the worst (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913519)

Even the wireless toggle keys do not work without installing their crapware.

Re:Acer is really the worst (1)

Albanach (527650) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913905)

I was surprised by the review and the comments about Acer. I bought two laptops about eighteen months ago. One HP consumer desktop was loaded with all manner of crapware. My Acer Extensa from the Acer business line had almost nothing other than some Acer encryption thingy that certainly didn't take much time to load or get rid of.

As for wireless toggle not working, I'm now running Windows 7, but did not install a single driver that did not come with the OS. My wireless switch works just fine.

I think the lesson is either be prepared to do a clean install, or buy from the business line.

no wonder people are switching to Mac (4, Insightful)

postmortem (906676) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913547)

Personally, I build my own and install vanilla Windows, but sh** has hit the fan long time ago.

This plus anti virus software resource hogs makes windows experience horrible on a brand new computer.

Not a single manufacturer offers option "windows and drivers only".

In other words, you need 4 core CPU and 2GB of RAM to open internet explorer.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (5, Informative)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913585)

Dell's business computers can be ordered plain vanilla or without the OS loaded, if you wish. I always recommend their business line, whether the person asking is a business or home user.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (1)

Meshach (578918) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913733)

Dell's business computers can be ordered plain vanilla or without the OS loaded, if you wish. I always recommend their business line, whether the person asking is a business or home user.

Business lines can be expensive though and hard to justify to a home user who surfs the web three times a week.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913825)

Buying the full Optiplex with all the intel active management gadgetry and a support contract and stuff doesn't make much sense for joe home user. The "Vostro" line, for small business, though, is not significantly similar in price or design from the home gear(though usually comes in black) and ships mostly clean.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (2, Informative)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914081)

Not if you buy them from the Dell Outlet. These are factory-remanufactured current model and immediately previous model systems that are sold with the full (same as new) factory warantee, and at a significant discount. For example: several years ago, at work we were buying Dell Optiplex GX620 minitower systems, at a cost of approx $950 each. At this same time, I bought a "scratch & dent" unit of the same model, ram, cpu, harddrive for $419. I saw no reason for the system to be classified as a "scratch and dent", but I sure liked the price. I ran this deal past several co-workers at the time, who got similar deals on the same model. The Outlet machines come with the same 3-year warantee that the systems we bought at work came with. Since then I've bought several Inspiron and Vostro laptops from the Dell Outlet and have zero complaints with anything I've bought from there... No, I don't work for Dell, just think the Dell Outlet is the best place to buy a computer...

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (1)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913767)

Yep, if you want to avoid the crap build your own or order from a small business division instead of consumer outlet.

Does Dell's small biz div sell to individuals? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913865)

Yep, if you want to avoid the crap build your own or order from a small business division

But does Dell's small business division sell to individuals? Or does one need a formal business entity (e.g. partnership, corporation, or LLC) before they'll deal?

Re:Does Dell's small biz div sell to individuals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913929)

Anyone can buy.

Re:Does Dell's small biz div sell to individuals? (2, Interesting)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914003)

Indeed. Dell's business stuff is great. In founding my current company, my partner and I actually purchased $10,000 worth of Serious-Business-Level rackmount equipment as individuals. Dell doesn't care, which is just the way it should be.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (1)

Meshach (578918) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913625)

It is unfortunate but this is how PC manufacturers make most of there money.

Here we say "just build your own" but to most of the world that is not an option. They have no choice but ot buy a pre-build system and manufacturers have realized that. People will be pissed off if you laden their machine with malware but they will not stop buying it.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (-1, Redundant)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913833)

Yeah, it's ironic that the Mac is the best computer to run Windows on.

Re:no wonder people are switching to Mac (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913949)

Yeah, it's ironic that the Mac is the best computer to run Windows on.

Where do you buy Macs pre-installed with Windows? If you install Windows yourself this is a non-issue on all hardware.

I was all set to take the article seriously (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913551)

until I saw it came from the UK. I mean really, does anybody take anything that comes out of that hole seriously?

2 Simple solutions (-1, Troll)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913637)

1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.
2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.

Why yes, I am an apple fanboy. How did you guess?

Re:2 Simple solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913657)

3. ????????

4. PROFIT!!!

Re:2 Simple solutions (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913677)

Why yes, I am an apple fanboy. How did you guess?

By the way that you pretended to defer to Linux first.

Re:2 Simple solutions (5, Insightful)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913787)

1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.

I dunno ... I installed Linux and ended up with two desktop environments, three word processors, four web browsers, and a whole bunch of image editors, system utilities, file managers, and other stuff.

;-)

Re:2 Simple solutions (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913801)

1. Install Linux and never worry about crapware again.

And lose compatibility with many applications and newer peripherals, the majority of which are made for Windows and possibly Mac.

2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.

And lose compatibility with many applications, the majority of which are made for Windows. Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses depend on third-party apps that require Microsoft Access.

So there exists a tradeoff between compatibility and freedom from crapware. Was this your point?

Re:2 Simple solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914031)

Sure, Adobe suite and some of Microsoft Office are ported, but some businesses

Full stop. This is about consumer grade stuff. No business is going to order a pre-crapwared laptop from Acer and use it with everything still on there. I know you tried hard to get your pro-Microsoft troll out there, but it's completely off topic.

Apple crapware? (1)

AlpineR (32307) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913903)

I am baffled by this paragraph from the Apple review:

But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isnt available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.

Are they complaining that the Mac can do some things that Windows can do too? Are they ignoring nice features of iTunes like the Store, Genius, sharing, podcast subscriptions, and online radio?

And how exactly does iWork fail to compete with Microsoft Works? Keynote is great presentation software. Pages is a solid word processor / page layout application. And Numbers can do common spreadsheet stuff. (Although its chart capabilities are pretty useless, at least in the '08 version I use.)

Re:Apple crapware? (4, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914153)

> And how exactly does iWork fail to compete with Microsoft Works?

By not being bug-for-bug identical (and if it was it would be dismissed as "a mere clone"). To these people to "compete" is do exactly the same thing in the same way. They'd claim Ford and Chevrolet don't compete because their cars have gas caps on opposite sides.

And the fact that there is a vast amount of software available for Linux and the Mac that is not available for Windows is irrelevant to them because they can't imagine anyone ever wanting to run any software not available for Windows.

Mac crapware (2, Insightful)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913971)

> 2. Buy a Mac and never worry about crapware again.

Unfortunately, it does come with some crapware: iTunes

Link to the latest crapware cleaner (3, Funny)

Explodicle (818405) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913649)

This [ubuntu.com] will get 100% of the crap off your system or your money back!

Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner (0, Offtopic)

Gerafix (1028986) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913823)

Will it also delete all my scat pr0n as I sure wouldn't lose those many terabytes of data that took me many a month to collect.

Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913955)

as I sure wouldn't lose those many terabytes of data that took me many a month to collect.

So would a failing hard disk. You best start thinking of a backup strategy for your terabytes of shitty porn...

Re:Link to the latest crapware cleaner (1)

Binestar (28861) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913847)

This will get 100% of the crap off your system or your money back!

I work on a farm.

Tough discussion.. (2, Interesting)

skgrey (1412883) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913663)

Boy, this is going to be a tough discussion. I wonder how many mod-points are going to be spent labeling items "flamebait" for talking about Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac..

Anyway, I think Acer I got for my wife is the worst. I also recently purchased an HP, and it actually got a lot better in terms of less crapware. I was very surprised, although Vista disappeared ten minutes after I got it out of the box and Windows 7 magically appeared later..

Any geek worth his salt gets rid of the current OS installation anyway and installs their flavour of choice anyway :)

Re:Tough discussion.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914127)

Tough discussion..

Apple won.

Good recent experience with Asus (5, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913669)

I bought an Asus EEE netbook a few months back and was surprised to see that Skype was basically the only app that was installed by default. It was otherwise a pretty clean install of XP. Considering the experience I've had with other notebooks in recent years, I was pleasantly surprised. Kudos to them.

Re:Good recent experience with Asus (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913965)

I would certainly hope netbooks wouldn't be saddled with Crapware, seeing as how they are the super-duper low-end computers that are intended for simple things like web and email only.

Re:Good recent experience with Asus (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913975)

Netbooks in general seem to be pretty good in terms of crapware.

My 9" Aspire One was the first computer I've ever bought that I didn't immediately feel the need to nuke and repave.
My Eee 1000HE was the second.

My Asus G51vx is the third.

Anonymous Coward (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913675)

The crapware installed on thses computers are advertisements. These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD, but I'd much rather take a couple minutes to remove Spore Creature Creator from my new HP than pay the extra money for buying an "ad-free" computer.

Maybe this is why Macs are so expensive for the same hardware.

"Rubbish" like the Windows operating system (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913831)

These computers would cost a lot more money if they didn't have all this preinstalled rubbish on the HDD

Do the advertisements really bring in more revenue than, say, the bulk price of a Windows license?

Re:Anonymous Coward (1)

jhfry (829244) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913951)

You do realize that almost nothing is ever truly removed when you use its uninstaller. And often even if it were, the damage is already done.

Finally, what about the unsuspecting non-tech user who bought the machine at BestBuy at the advice of the salesman. Sit down sometime with one of them and help them clean up their pc. "Do you use XXX? -- I don't think so, what's it do? -- It slows down the computer. -- Maybe the kids will need it, lets just leave it alone."

Even I have a hard time determining what applications are junk and what is part of a driver or something useful.

That's partly why I no longer support Windows for friends/family. If you want free support, then be prepared to get migrated.

Reinstalling the OS? (2, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913729)

When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?

Recovery DVD (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913907)

When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?

Some of them come with a "recovery" DVD that repartitions the hard drive and ghosts [wikipedia.org] the preinstalled operating system and crapware back on. (In fact, that's how they're set up.)

Re:Reinstalling the OS? (1)

MrBippers (1091791) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913933)

When you order a computer with OS installation media, do those CD's / DVD's install the crapware as well, or just the basic OS?

Almost all of them have the crapware built in. I prefer to use OEM versions of windows discs (versus retail) and just input the key from the COA. You have to go pull drivers from the manufacturer's website but *usually* this is pretty painless.

Re:Reinstalling the OS? (1)

nnnnnnn (1611817) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913969)

From my experience;

HP: They give you restore DVD's. It takes like an hour to restore the OS, lots of DVD reads. And for your trouble, your PC gets "restored" to its factory shipped crapware state. Solution; clean the crapware when you first get your PC, do a drive image. Then all you have to do is to restore from the drive image for a clean state.

Dell: They give you Windows reinstallation DVDs. You can do a clean Windows install from scratch. The only downside is that you have to install the drivers manually.

Re:Reinstalling the OS? (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914139)

Dell: They give you Windows reinstallation DVDs. You can do a clean Windows install from scratch. The only downside is that you have to install the drivers manually.

Do you need to indicate on your purchase that you want that DVDs or do they automatically include them? I was browsing through their site and saw no option on the random laptop I looked at for clean windows reinstall DVDs.

Re:Reinstalling the OS? (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914021)

Depends on what brand you select. Some brands deliver with bloated installation CD:s others with relatively clean ones.

This is one of the reasons why people do go to great lengths to install cracked versions of the pure operating system - like XP or Win 7.

Re:Reinstalling the OS? (1)

Hormonal (304038) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914157)

Yes. Seriously, it depends. As a previous poster mentioned, Lenovo seems to give restore CDs/partitions that include a preinstalled image, complete with crapware. Other manufacturers give you a genuine Windows disk, complete with holograms and a butler.

Sony, in my experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913747)

Absolutely dreadful experience with some of their earlier Vaio models. On the same note, I've seen terrible incidents of this from Samsung as well. Varies from one model to the other, it seems.

Thankfully there are the BSDs, Mac OS X (if you care to "hackintosh"), and that "linux" thing, for those with that kind of taste.

Opt-out? (1)

Pretbek (600867) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913753)

It would be great to be able to opt-out of the crapware. I understand, the trial-ware and that kind of third party stuff generates income for the PC company, but I can imagine they lose some PC sales entirely, by bogging the PC down so much right from the start. Even the proprietary software that is well-meant and supposed to be helpful tips the scales to the side of inconvenience, when you take into account the long startup time and resources taken because of it. I realise this post is aimed at those who are bothered by the crapware and know the PC could do much better without, but are unwilling/unable to quickly and easily change that themselves.

In Store Techs (4, Informative)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913783)

Offer a service to REMOVE all that junk for you when you buy it, for almost $100. That's the crazy part.
We bought my dad a laptop at Circuit City a few years back for Christmas, and the Firedog(sic?) tech was very persistent that we purchase the removal plan from them, as it's hard to do ourselves. I asked him what they do, and he said they take a vanilla Vista install disc and reformat the HDD with it. For $100, no thank you.
As someone stated in an above thread, it's ads on the computer to lower the cost of it. If you buy off the shelf computers, it may be worth it. And with a laptop/netbook, you have no choice but to buy it off the shelf.

installed versus auto-start (5, Insightful)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913863)

It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.

Re:installed versus auto-start (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914105)

Auto-start = highly increased chance of product being used = profit. That's why they PAY the OEMs to put their software on the computers, and that's partly why computers are so inexpensive. Because the OEMs have more revenue streams than just you.

Re:installed versus auto-start (2, Interesting)

British (51765) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914133)

It's not the installation that bothers me but the assumption by software vendors that their software is so important that it should auto-start.

This cannot be stressed enough. Not everything needs a systray icon. Not everything needs to be so complicated to remove from startup without asking me in advance. Apple is a guilty party of this, even moreso with Itunes. Going to system.msc to try to remove a startup item(which is hard to read) is going to give you a guaranteed "access denied".

To this day I sometimes still see a little "hp" icon on the systray that disappears before I can get to it. No idea what it is. All I wanted was a printer driver. A CD burning util doesn't need to run 24/7.

When can we just start having sw vendors just label it what it really is: spyware? Sure it might not phone home, but it still has all the other symptoms in common. I thought there were a few court cases about that topic.

iWork vs. MS Works (3, Interesting)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913869)

FTFA:

But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isn't available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.

I wonder if they've ever used the iWork suite? It can both read & save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do. I know this by the number of students I have to instruct to save their MS Works documents as RTFs so their instructors can view their papers.

Re:iWork vs. MS Works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914025)

FTFA:

But in other areas the MacBook merely mimics Windows' offerings: media software offers little functionality that isn't available elsewhere, and Apple's office applications can't compete with even Microsoft Works.

I wonder if they've ever used the iWork suite? It can both read & save as MS Word/Excel/Powerpoint for the respective equivalent applications, which is something MS Works apparently can't do. I know this by the number of students I have to instruct to save their MS Works documents as RTFs so their instructors can view their papers.

Except that iWork is not included with retail Macs (it is an extra-cost option when ordered online.) The only business-type software you get on a Mac by default is TextEdit, which is essentially equivalent to MS WordPad

MS Works is often thrown in with home-market PCs at no charge, though a few would count it in the "crapware" category.

Re:iWork vs. MS Works (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914137)

Of course not. MS Works isn't intended to compete with Microsoft Office, particularly now that Office 2007 made their old student edition available to all customers as the Home and Student Edition for $149.99.

Note: Home and Student Edition only includes Word, PowerPoint, and Excel. There is no Outlook, Access, etc...

The naming of that edition is ironic, since students can now get Office 2007 Ultimate edition for $59.95 [microsoft.com] / £38.95 [microsoft.com] .

Apple. Definitely Apple (-1, Troll)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913871)

iLife. iTunes Garage Band.Something called Mac OSX. I ended up reformatting the drive, going out and buying a copy of Windows Vista Home-- which wasn't even included in the price, and installing that. I hope I the Apple Magic works and I don't get any viruses.

What A Fucking Stupid Question !!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29913875)

The answer is simple: MICROSOFT [microsoft.com] !!

Anyone who installs this shit IS the
New World Order [youtube.com]

I am the NWO living off the backs of others screwing the planet over for a buck.

My lifestyle of electricity bills and internal combustion. My phone bill, my cheap clothes from the Far East.

My salad’s flown across the world from third world countries.

Here’s my ensure-the-slavery-of-Chinese-labor laptop.

You are the NWO. You’re lack of self-sufficiency IS the NWO. Your religion, your country, your money, your trainer, your last burger, your last Coke you drank. Petrol, diesel, air-conditioning, magazines, and newspapers . We’re all the NOW, people.

And if you don’t like it go get a teepee and live outdoors. Bread, it’s the NWO. Bread you didn’t bake. Bread you didn’t bake with wheat you didn’t grow. Your garbage is the NWO. Garbage you don’t dispose of.

The NWO. It’s a new evil totally separate from my disgusting lifestyle of consumerism and exploitation of others.

First Actions (1)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913901)

First I format the drive.

Then I install an OS copy that I got from Microsoft

Then I install the drivers I d/l from the machine site.

And I make an image (in case the app install fails badly).

I install the basic applications I use.

I make the recovery image.

Once in a while I format the drive and re-image using the recovery image.

WTF: slashdot popups? (1)

aibohphobia (1608213) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913997)

[I usually post AC, but I'm making an exception for this.]

Did anyone else get a pop-up from hardware.slashdot.org with a 100x100 image hosted on suitesmart.com saying "We are conducting a research survey on this site. You will be invited to participate when you leave. Please do not close this window."

Is that some kind of joke related to the story?

I just bought an HP laptop (2, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#29913999)

I just bought an HP laptop, and these are the observations I have to make.

Bundled software isn't entirely bad. Bundled software that runs automatically is. I will disable this, although even so I might not uninstall it. The first thing I did was make the HP toolbar not run every time the computer boots up.

If it doesn't run automatically, and it performs some useful feature (DVD burning, for instance) which I'll probably use in the future, I'll leave it installed unless or until such a time comes where I try to use it and discover it doesn't work very well or there are better free alternatives. It's just taking disk space. I'm more concerned with RAM and processor use.

If it's something I'll never use, yeah, just uninstall it now.

However, all in all, it's a new computer, and I'm not at all worried about disk space yet. So as long as it's not running, I'm not too worried about it. Sure, in a few years I may begin to run low on disk space, but at that point I'll be better able to determine whether or not I actually need the software anyway – did I use it between now and then?

Re:I just bought an HP laptop (1)

MikeURL (890801) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914113)

I agree. I bought an HP laptop recently and 1GB would be 1/320th of the space I have on the drive. That is hardy intrusive and I don't even bother to remove it. Like you, I go apeshit over stuff that is deemed SO important that it must run resident in memory at all times. So far I've been OK with letting the HP resident software update checker run because it actually flawlessly upgraded the laptop BIOS a few weeks back. I have yet to encounter any PC maker with a software update checker that could handle upgrading the BIOS where all i need to do is click "OK".

Geek Squad Ripoff (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29914101)

I was standing in Best Buy line one day at the computer desk. They were buying a brand new laptop (forgot the brand), but they got the complete upsale from the Geek Squad guy. Basically he told them that yes they could buy the laptop for the listed price, but that it would be unusable because of all the junk on it. They would need to pay geek squad another $149 to take the computer and clean up all the junk that comes with it to make it usable. And the poor people had to do it... They had no idea what to do or uninstall, and were being told that if they didnt do it then the computer would be near unusable.

Sadly the geek squad guy was close to the truth. A new computer that isn't cleaned is booting slower, using more memory, and running slower than it should be. It just was wrong that it was necessary for the unskilled user to have to pay $149 on top of the cost of the device... I thought about jumping in and telling them it was a rip off, but then I'd have had to deal with it....

How many clicks? (2, Interesting)

halll7 (1009535) | more than 4 years ago | (#29914119)

There's some irony in the fact that you have to hit this website over 20 times in order to read the article...
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