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Nintendo Announces DSi XL

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the time-for-some-side-talkin' dept.

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lbalbalba writes "This morning, Nintendo announced the third upgrade to the DS family, the DSi LL (or DSi XL). It will be released in Japan on November 21, one year after the DSi debuted, for ¥20,000 (approx. $220). The LL's main improvement is the size of its screens, which have been increased from 3.25" to 4.2" with a moderate increase to the size of the chassis. The device also includes a much bigger stylus, which looks to be the size of a ballpoint pen, and battery life has reportedly been increased to five hours at maximum screen brightness."

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After reading the tech specs I can see (5, Funny)

MilesTails (1413987) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916753)

It prints free money for nintendo.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917001)

It does indeed. DS jumped from 107M to 113M shipped [wikipedia.org] in 2009Q3, and let's keep in mind the third quarter is always the slowest (summer breaks etc.) + this recession thing that's all the rage now.
 
Wii also rose from 52M to 56M, and that's without even counting the effect of the price drop since that happened at the very end of September. After the holiday sales, Wii will most certainly surpass the NES (62M) [wikipedia.org] to become Nintendo's best selling home console ever.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (3, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918205)

On the other hand, Nintendo's profits fell by over 50% [reuters.com] last quarter over the same quarter last year. Additionally, the PS3 outsold the Wii in September in the US, taking the top spot in console sales.

To read Slashdot, you'd think Nintendo is experiencing exponential profits growth, and the Xbox 360 outsells the PS3 10-to-1.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (4, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918655)

The PS3 had a short-term spike due to the introduction of a new model. It has since dropped back down to below the Wii. The pertinent question is whether the new PS3 model will be able to continue outselling the 360.

Not knocking the PS3, it's a great console; but neither Sony or MS come close to approaching Nintendo's success this gen.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917261)

It prints free money for nintendo.

You jest, but that's exactly right.

The target market for this DS is big and growing. Older people (parents, etc) find the current DS line with screens that are too small - now Nintendo sees a huge market for large screens and less agile hands.

Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917345)

I'm about to give Nintendo some more money.

I lost my Gameboy Advance's power cable. :-( Can I just borrow my friend's DS cable instead? Will it work with the GBA?

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (1)

Wild Bill TX (787533) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918027)

No, DS and GBA use completely different plugs on the device's end.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918685)

I bought a squid adapter for something like $3 from dealextreme, that had USB -> Every Nintendo handheld power plug in existence. I should have bought several of them, honestly.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (3, Insightful)

thule (9041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917459)

Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

I think their products have been aimed at everyone for a long time. Look how many NES' Nintendo shipped (over 60 million). Tetris on the Gameboy was HUGE! Nintendo sold over 100 million Gameboys. The original Mario Brothers was an arcade like game that worked with two players. Their products are not aimed at "non-gamers". Their products are designed to *create* gamers. Maybe not the gamers the "hardcore" or the "game industry" thinks of (M-rated of course), but gamers none-the-less.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (0)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917741)

Nintendo might not win the console wars

Perhaps the most ill-informed thing I've read today.

Nintendo won the console wars years ago.

It took nearly 2 full years for Wii stock to meet demand.

The Wii is tracking ahead of the PS2 in terms of sales, despite the global recession and the high failure rate of early PS2 models.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (2, Insightful)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918213)

Wow, you're right. They are winning. As much as I dismiss the Wii (I like to play turn-based RPGs. Not that many/any on the Wii), it has surpassed both the Xbox360 and the PS3.

I wonder what this means for the future of gaming.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918309)

Nintendo won the console wars years ago.

The NES and SNES console wars. Not the N64 or GameCube wars.

The present war is still in effect.

It took nearly 2 full years for Wii stock to meet demand.

Only due to a deliberate decision by Nintendo to *not* increase production.

The Wii is tracking ahead of the PS2 in terms of sales, despite the global recession and the high failure rate of early PS2 models.

What does the "high failure rate" (oh, please. the "high failure rate" is *nothing* like the *present* failure rate of the Xbox 360) of early PS2s have to do with Wii sales rates?

How far out do you have to extrapolate for the Wii to surpass the PS2 as the top selling console of all time? The Wii hasn't even surpassed the NES, which itself has sold less than *half* the number of units the PS2 has, and is Nintendo's top selling console to date.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918741)

The present war is still in effect.

Only for 2nd place. Nobody reasonably thinks the 360 or PS3 will ever surpass the Wii. It would take two years for the PS3 to catch up, even if the Wii stopped all sales completely, today; and since the Wii is still currently outselling the PS3 and 360, the gap is getting larger every week.

That said, I think the Wii hasn't yet hit the halfway point of getting to the PS2's sales, so it's still got at least a few more years before it starts setting records. the PS2 hit a really sweet spot.

Re:After reading the tech specs I can see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29918531)

Hey Milz, I herd u like mudkips

Price (3, Insightful)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916757)

When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

Re:Price (4, Interesting)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916775)

When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

Yes, since laptops have never cost more than desktops.

Re:Price (3, Insightful)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916833)

Laptops are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your desktop though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.

Re:Price (1, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917755)

Laptops are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your desktop though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.

Handhelds are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your console though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.

Re:Price (3, Insightful)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918369)

Except that the DS is far from being capable of the same things as modern consoles. A laptop could be set up to run a 64-bit OS with 8 gigs of RAM, store a half terabyte of data and render DX11-level graphics smoothly at 1280x800 or higher, which is what many full-sized desktops are used for today. Expensive, yes.

The DS, on the other hand, is running substantially weaker hardware than current consoles, with graphical capabilities roughly on-par with the Nintendo 64. From a technical perspective, that falls pretty far short of the major consoles.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

Labcoat Samurai (1517479) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918505)

And the Wii isn't exactly very powerful either. Even if the DS is only as powerful as the N64, it's still only one generation weaker than the Wii, which is basically a Gamecube with a fancy controller.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917151)

While the Wii may not be a powerhouse, the DS can barely keep up with a PSone. Laptops that cost more than desktops have somewhat comparable feature sets; this is certainly not the case with Wii vs DS.

Re:Price (1)

Bengie (1121981) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918053)

Laptops also cost about 2xs as much desktops and the DS costs slightly less than the WII. Unlike the laptop, the DS has a whole separate hardware set than the WII, so it's not like they can copy/paste the WII into the DS like they can Desktops into laptops

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

Avalain (1321959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916817)

Or maybe your portable is more popular than your home system?

Re:Price (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916941)

You made a really good point. But no matter how good your point, there are people on here that are going to defend Nintendo at all costs from any criticism and get modded up for it.

Re:Price (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917285)

I understand fanboyism because I used to be one. First it was "Commodore is better than Atari" then "Amiga is better than ST" then "Motorola/Mac is better than Intel/IBM PC".

Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360) and be done with it. I no longer care whose name is on the box, and recommend the fanboys do the same.

Re:Price (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917445)

Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360)

Shouldn't that read XBOX/PS2?

Re:Price (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917769)

Not necessarily.
The XBOX and GameCube were neck-and-neck worldwide.

Depending on how he defines the top two, it could be either of them.

Re:Price (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918367)

Not necessarily.
The XBOX and GameCube were neck-and-neck worldwide.

Depending on how he defines the top two, it could be either of them.

And neither of them have outsold the PS3...

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29918141)

GameCube has more high quality exclusives than the Xbox (Xbox is pretty much Halo, PGR, and Team Ninja, GameCube has SSBM, Mario Sunshine, Zelda, Mario Kart, Eternal Darkness, Rogue Squadron, etc.) PS2 and GameCube gives a better spread than PS2 and Xbox.

Re:Price (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918431)

Now that's I've grown-up I just buy the top two systems (Nintendo 64/PS1, Gamecube/PS2, Wii/X360)

Shouldn't that read XBOX/PS2?

No, it should read PS2/PS1 (in the more natural #1/#2 order, instead of the OP's Sony-diminishing reverse order). Or if you want the top five (for context):

PS2/PS1/NES/Wii/SNES (the last three having sold far fewer than the first two).

Re:Price (1)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917793)

Defend them from what? They're not doing anything wrong.

Re:Price (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917047)

When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

To be fair, the DSi is cheaper than a Wii. This is the 'premium' edition for those who want it to look a little nicer cosmetically.

Re:Price (1)

tonycheese (921278) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917115)

Well, Nintendo's 130 million+ sales beg to differ... all the consoles sold at a higher price initially, then dropped over time. The DS Lite sold for 180 dollars in Japan's debut, but was 130 when the DSi came out.

Re:Price (1)

tbradshaw (569563) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917435)

Only holding the assumption that a portable gaming system is less valuable than a home system. This assumption turns out to not be universally true...

Sure about that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917503)

On what page of the Rule Book For Everything does it say that Portable + Weaker = Cheaper?

Prices are typically based on value. Value is typically based on what the market will bear.

Given their sales performance across the board, whether you like it or not, there are few things wrong with Nintendo's price structure.

Re:Price (1)

PaganRitual (551879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917511)

How is this insightful? Making things smaller has always been half the point of hardware manufacture, and has always been one of the most expensive things to achieve.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917873)

when you're insuring your entire home entertainment system for more then your home is worth, when you work in the military as well. that's an issue where I work during the summer.

It doesn't cost more than Wii (4, Informative)

joeflies (529536) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918527)

It's the same price (in Japan). The Wii is ¥20,000 in Japan, and apparently so is the DSi LL. It looks like you're converting the price of the DSi LL against the weak dollar and using the $220 price, and comparing that against the US price of the Wii ($199).

Re:Price (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918807)

Not if your portable is still outselling your home system, which in turn is outselling all competitors. That probably indicates you're doing something right. It's not like products are 'supposed' to be certain prices.

Demand? (4, Insightful)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916831)

I'm wondering where the demand for this was? It's not like they're increasing the resolution and now the DS size history has gone from its original size, shrunk down to the Lite version, then the DSi came out which was comparable to the Lite, and now they're making it larger than the original DS with the XL.

But Nintendo usually knows what they're doing, as long as they don't color it red and require it be strapped to your face, that is.

Re:Demand? (4, Insightful)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916873)

I hope they realized that a large portion of gamers don't all have tiny Japanese school girl hands? Even with my original DS, it can be a hand cramper to hold when using the stylus and playing.

Re:Demand? (5, Funny)

Princeofcups (150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917109)

Not to mention that my old eyes are going. It's getting hard to tell a pikachu apart from an electabuzz.

Re:Demand? (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917489)

Who's that Pokémon???

Re:Demand? (1)

ijakings (982830) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918115)

Is it Girugamesh?

Re:Demand? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917399)

Does this have larger external dimensions as well? Obviously the screen is larger but nowhere does it say the actual unit is wider. PSP-width with this size screen would be about perfect.

Re:Demand? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917403)

You were just looking for an excuse to stay "tiny Japanese school girl" weren't you?

Re:Demand? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917407)

I hope they realized that a large portion of gamers don't all have tiny Japanese school girl hands? Even with my original DS, it can be a hand cramper to hold when using the stylus and playing.

There's a joke in there, but I'm afraid to go there...

Re:Demand? (1)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917453)

GO THERE

Re:Demand? (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916977)

It's for the old people they introduced to gaming with the Wii. Now they have a handheld they can see with their aging eyes, and probably a larger stylus they can grasp with their arthritic hands. If you spend a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms, these things come in handy.

Re:Demand? (4, Funny)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917119)

I'll get off your lawn Sir.

Re:Demand? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917467)

I'm not all that old, but yes I have spent a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms reading books on the original DS since the thing fits in a jacket pocket. So far I've been through Lord Jim (Conrad), Treasure Island and part way through King Solomon's Mines.

Re:Demand? (1)

thule (9041) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917483)

What about all the old people they introduced to gaming with the Gameboy and Tetris? Nintendo moved over 100 million Gameboys. Do you think only "hardcore" gamers bought them?

Re:Demand? (1)

Bagels (676159) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917125)

I believe they mentioned that customers were asking for bigger screens on surveys. Also, speaking anecdotally, I remember my mom wondering aloud "how can you see anything on that tiny screen?" several times with the older Gameboys and the original Nintendo DS. Of course, she now uses a smartphone with a screen that's not much bigger, so I suppose she's got that worked out now.

Re:Demand? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917341)

Something like this actually tempts original DS owners like myself, which I suppose is the way to sell them since the main mode of failure for a DS seems to be theft.
It would be nice with the "100 classics book collection" as an ebook reader (original screen is a bit dark) and nice for the "colors" howebrew in paticular.

I'm confused.... (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916839)

So is this "DS 39" or "DSi 40" or "DS9L" or "D6L" or what?

Re:I'm confused.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917863)

D = 500; S = 6/12. It was common practice in Italy for a while to make little games out of adding up CapItalIzed DIgIts (C + I + I + I + I + D = 604) in order to find the year of someone's death on gravestones, so you may want to try ignoring what you know about conventional order rules. That gives us 561.5, except in Japan where it's 601.5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronogram

Re:I'm confused.... (1)

d4nowar (941785) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918333)

It's the DSi XL, clearly stated many times...

Re:I'm confused.... (2, Funny)

siddesu (698447) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918673)

DD XXL

Nintendo predicts 10" screens on DS XXXL for 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29916841)

Nintendo predicts 10" screens on Nintendo DS Lite XXXL by 2012 - citing expected simultaneous advances in screens which allow for very large pixel elements and cargo pants with exceedingly large pockets.

Re:Nintendo predicts 10" screens on DS XXXL for 20 (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917213)

Re:Nintendo predicts 10" screens on DS XXXL for 20 (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917377)

Nintendo predicts 10" screens on Nintendo DS Lite XXXL by 2012

By that time, they might as well introduce the TV adapter already.

5 hour battery life!??!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29916961)

I remember the good ol' days when the gameboy color could entertain you for days and days without the need to replace (or recharge) your batteries. The battery life alone would make me not buy this.

Re:5 hour battery life!??!?! (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917351)

I remember the good ol' days when the gameboy color could entertain you for days and days without the need to replace (or recharge) your batteries. The battery life alone would make me not buy this.

As it happens, this device has some of the best battery life of any device you're likely to find.

I never use anything more than minimum brightness indoors. You won't need max brightness except in sunlight. Although, my DS lite goes so long between charges (on minimum), I couldn't really say how long it lasts exactly.

Re:5 hour battery life!??!?! (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917481)

That's what I thought too when I saw the summary. I've never actually tracked it but I'm pretty sure my DS Lite goes more than 5 hours on a charge. I'll have to time it some time and see.

Re:5 hour battery life!??!?! (1)

JDeane (1402533) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917809)

I believe they go 5-8 hours on a charge at least thats what I get out of mine and its not a new unit and has seen much use...

I also watch movies on mine so that may kill my battery faster but who knows for sure.

Makes sense (5, Interesting)

Weedhopper (168515) | more than 4 years ago | (#29916999)

The one person who uses his NDS Lite more than any other person I know is my 63 year old father. He likes to play all those brain games as well as card/puzzle games and those My Language Coach series. His only complaint - the size of the screen and the size of the stylus.

Nintendo knows EXACTLY what they're doing. Giving "casual" gamers exactly what they want.

Re:Makes sense (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917379)

"Casual gamers"? Are you kidding? Hardcore gamers want it, too. I wasn't going to bother getting a DSi because it didn't offer anything over the DS for me. Now that it's got a larger screen, I'm probably going to import it. (I'm learning Japanese, too, so the import is so I can get the Japanese DSi games. The downloadable ones, at the very least, are locked to the region.)

Re:Makes sense (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917811)

The DSi has (slightly) larger screens than the DS and DS Lite. It is in fact noticeable enough of a difference that I prefer the DSi for this reason.

Its a great option for geriatric gamers (5, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917071)

Nintendo has been trying to broaden its market with handhelds the same way that they have with the Wii. Games like brain age, professor layton and the Personal Trainer series appeal to and older crowd but the small screen size can make it rather limited. My mother for instance loves her DS but constantly complains about the text being too small or icons being indistinguishable, a larger screen size would be great for her. Based on the included bundle that appears to be the audience they are going for...smart idea IMHO.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917073)

As with the DSi, this move puzzles me. I've had a DS Lite for years, and it works perfectly fine, plus it still plays the GameBoy Advance titles, with a longer battery life than either the DSi or the DSi XL (DSLite: 15-19 hours min brightness, DSi: 9-14 hours, DSi XL: 13-17 hours; source: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/29/nintendo-dsi-ll-goes-large-in-japan-on-november-21/). Why should I switch? No good reason I can see, unless I had difficulty with the small screen, in which case I would not be using a portable console in the first place. Maybe there is a demand for a new console every year in the 'home market' of Japan?

[posting as AC, as I can't be bothered to register]

Re: Why upgrade? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917627)

The only reason to switch is if a killer app you really want comes out which won't work on your current DS. For me that's WPA wireless on the DSi etc, and a big screen would be nice, but I'm not touching it until somebody less lazy than me cracks it to allow homebrew software to run.
Perhaps they just want to expand their market and sell it to people that didn't buy a DS because they want bigger screens.

Re: Why upgrade? (1)

meustrus (1588597) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918035)

WPA and WPA2 are sorely lacking in the DS Lite, but I'm not inclined to "upgrade." Why? Because the ability to play GBA games is important to me. I can see where Nintendo is going, trying to appeal to older and more casual gamers to broaden the market, but I've read conflicting reports about their DS sales. Somewhere else I read that sales were doing well, but this article says:

"Despite the availability of the new DSi, Nintendo's handheld sales dropped nearly 20% in 2009"

It's also interesting to read in this article that the success of Nintendo's handhelds has been in part due to incremental, rather than generational, changes, and backwards compatibility. Well, this is an incremental change, but it was a very sad day that the DSi came in without a GBA slot, especially since several high-profile DS games make use of it (Guitar Hero requires it? Pokémon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum has interface features with Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald?).

What I want, that will make me (and probably every other serious handheld gamer around) upgrade even if it's at a full $200, is a DS with this larger screen, DSi features, WPA2, and a GBA slot that doesn't protrude out the bottom. The increased screen size makes this last part possible when it wasn't in the DS Lite (my model).

Though, another killer feature would be something like the Wii Shop Channel for DS, to download virtual console games, or even DS games, and web browser for the DS. This would be best facilitated with a modest flash chip, say 4gb or 8gb. This would go straight after both the PSP and the iPhone markets, while increasing profits through online content distribution, reduce the average consumer's demand for piracy, all for a relatively small investment. This, however, might be a generational change, and if the DSi is the model for Nintendo's changes I would greatly fear that this kind of shift would be like to PSP Go (which got rid of the UMD; slashdotted a week ago)

Re:Anonymous Coward (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918343)

What is there to be puzzled about? It's a DSi with big screen for old people who have trouble seeing the regular one. You're not supposed to run out and buy one.

Larger screen but same resolution? (3, Insightful)

Avalain (1321959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917135)

One of the comments that came out from people reviewing the PSP Go was that the screen looked "sharper" because it was smaller with the same resolution as the PSP 3000. Wouldn't this just have the opposite effect for the DSi? As it is the DSi has a rather low resolution and I'd be worried that increasing the screen size will just make games "bigger and uglier". I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.

Re:Larger screen but same resolution? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917937)

If you dislike seeing the pixels on the larger screen, but did not dislike seeing them on the smaller screen, then you need to get your eyes checked.

The pixels have always been visible.

If they ever bother you on any DS, hold the DS further away, or wait for your eyes to deteriorate to the point of not being able to distinguish the image. Then buy the model with larger screens.

Re:Larger screen but same resolution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29918323)

very much this! after playing games on an iphone for a while, the resolution on a DS lite looks appallingly low (no comment about the quality of games on either platform in that statement, they each have their own pros and cons). I cant imaging how bad this new DSi is going to look with even bigger pixels.

Re:Larger screen but same resolution? (1)

macshit (157376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918433)

I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.

Actually the DSi has a fair bit more processor power (and memory I believe) than the DS, but few devs have taken advantage of it (for many games it's not really necessary, and obviously at this point the original DS still has a lot more market share).

What about memory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917229)

the DSi added more memory to the DS, just like the DS-lite added more power over the original DS-phat.

With a bigger screen, there has to be more power, memory and battery capacity, otherwise this thing is just a brick

Re:What about memory? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917705)

Really? I've even got linux on the original DS, you don't need huge amounts of real memory to get it to do things especially now that they have storage on SD cards. More memory is always nice but not always essential.

Dropping profits (1)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917235)

From the article: "Nintendo's handheld sales dropped nearly 20% in 2009. This, paired with unfavorable exchange rates, brought Nintendo's profits down 61% in mid-summer."
While it's never good for a company to have dropping profits, this might not be too unexpected. Their biggest earning seasons are probably Christmas and Chinese New Year.
I wonder what last summer's profits were like, for Nintendo?

Sigh... (1)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917265)

Mediocre upgrade with no real reason to buy.

I'll be waiting for the rumoured TS next year :)

Nintendo's Niche (2, Insightful)

allknowingfrog (1661721) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917283)

Nintendo's niche isn't making things bigger, faster and stronger. They make things that are new and different. The Wii has been hugely successful, not because it pushes boundaries in graphics and processing speed, but because it is a brand new idea. Taking the same old DS and making the screen bigger isn't going to boost sales the way that going in a new direction would.

Re:Nintendo's Niche (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917391)

Taking the same old DS and making the screen bigger isn't going to boost sales the way that going in a new direction would.

No, but it's not like they'd make more money by shifting focus away from a platform that is very popular right now.

They're not doing anything here they haven't done before. See GameBoy Pocket, GameBoy Advance SP, GameBoy Micro, and DS-Lite. You're not offering them anything they don't know already.

Re:Nintendo's Niche (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917539)

They've done very well doing new and different. They have done just as well (possibly more so) taking what they know works and making small changes. If you doubt this at all, come by and look at my stack of Zelda games some time. If you wait a while you can check out Zelda: Spirit Tracks with me - I can't wait to play it.

Re:Nintendo's Niche (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918101)

Not really though. Backwards compatibility is key for portable games. For example the Game Boy Advance SP had perhaps the largest library for any portable game console. The GBA SP (along with the first GBA) could play games from 1989 to 2007. Few consoles can play 18 years of games without any emulation. And when the games are cheap ($30 when they were new, and you can get them for $10 max used) that gives the average person a huge game library without much initial investment. Even though Super Mario Land wasn't exactly the most advanced games, no was it that long but it still was fun. Now Nintendo has the DS (and Lite) that can play games from 2001-present and the DSi that can play physical games from 2004-present along with downloadable games. A major new console would more than likely change the hardware in a radical way, if you don't have either 2 screens or don't have one as a touch screen the DS games are nearly unplayable. Without a large back catalog they probably won't gain much traction (just look at how much of a failure the PSP Go is since it doesn't have a UMD drive).

Maybe this time (1)

Tiger_Storms (769548) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917317)

Now with it's two wide screens they will finally listen to my demands for it to play two movies at the same time! or watch a movie on the top wile playing an old 1 screen game on the bottom, the options are endless mwaahahahha!.... seriously two screen even bigger... don't really see how this is going to improve their sales, they might as well make a four screen device...

Re:Maybe this time (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917623)

Now with it's two wide screens they will finally listen to my demands for it to play two movies at the same time! or watch a movie on the top wile playing an old 1 screen game on the bottom, the options are endless mwaahahahha!.... seriously two screen even bigger... don't really see how this is going to improve their sales, they might as well make a four screen device...

I haven't purchased a DSi yet, but I want one. Truth be told, I'd probably lean towards the one with the bigger screen. I think I'm part of their target market, one of those people who haven't purchased a DSi yet.

Re:Maybe this time (1)

Tiger_Storms (769548) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918015)

I think the idea of two screens the way it's setup is kind of annoying to me, I like having one big screen rather than multiple screens

Re:Maybe this time (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918105)

I think the idea of two screens the way it's setup is kind of annoying to me, I like having one big screen rather than multiple screens

Can't say I agree. I play GBA games on mine (one screen only) and it annoys me that I have to stop the game to see things like maps or inventory. Give me two screens any-day.

My main gripe is that only one of the screens is touch sensitive.

Re:Maybe this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29918123)

you want my opinion? get an Ipod Touch. save yourself some time and money, and become part of the Apple wave.

Re:Maybe this time (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918189)

you want my opinion? get an Ipod Touch. save yourself some time and money, and become part of the Apple wave.

I have an iPod Touch and it's no Nintendo DS.

money reasons (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917507)

Or maybe they struck a deal with an lcd manufacturer that gave them a really good price on some over sized stock?

Because they can. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917689)

Nintendo does it because they can, plain and simple.

Stop arguing about it.

"tubgirl (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917697)

nearly two years a BSD over other Centralized models

It's obvious... (2, Funny)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 4 years ago | (#29917751)

Technology from a couple years ago, larger fonts for older eyes...they're clearly targeting the Korean market.

Re:It's obvious... (3, Funny)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918031)

Only if it includes an email client.

Only old people use webmail (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918337)

[It'll be popular among Korean seniors] Only if it includes an email client.

DSi includes a web browser developed by Opera. There are numerous providers of WWW gateways to Internet e-mail. Do the math.

Typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29917835)

The LL's main improvement is the size of its screens, which have been increased from 3.25" to 4.2" with a moderate increase to the size of the chassis.

Yeah, but can it run Windows 7? (0, Offtopic)

lie2me (1504525) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918061)

iDon't

Maybe this one will support WPA? (2, Interesting)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 4 years ago | (#29918681)

I kept wep on my router longer than I should have because I just liked playing Mario Kart just that much. I lost my dslite and thought to buy the new model, but it still doesn't support wpa, just wep. I decided I wasn't going to switch back just for one game, and opted instead to buy nothing. Maybe I'll get the new one if it can do wpa, but if not, no sale.

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